User talk:Orfeocookie/List of compositions by Vagn Holmboe

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Thanks for showing me the draft.

I expect you are aware of Category:Lists of compositions by composer. This has many examples, most of them rather simple ones.

I'd recommend using a sortable list or lists similar to List of compositions by Richard Wagner. Obviously you could decide how many columns to have.

Please see WikiProject_Classical_music/Guidelines where it explains about opus numbers etc. We put a space after No. and Op.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions. Best. -- Klein zach  03:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I am quite keen on doing a sortable list. However, my main concern at the moment is that the most natural first column - the 'Meta' number from the comprehensive catalogue - is something I am lacking some entries for at this point.


 * I may actually start with the 'list by genre' version and try to add the sortable list later.


 * I will let you know when I think my page is getting somewhere close to being ready to release 'into the wild', as I have no experience and might be deluded as to whether it's good enough to release. Orfeocookie (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hope it's OK to move the conversation here . . . I've been thinking about this, and I'm inclined to think one (completely sortable on each column) list would be best. Obviously the data would not be complete for each column but I don't think that matters. Presumably the meta number would be the first column on the left? Anyway let me know what you come up with! -- Klein zach  09:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Moving here is fine. Wasn't sure who could see what in different locations!

I've been having a look at one of the sortable lists I'm familiar with and which might be roughly comparable List_of_compositions_by_Anton%C3%ADn_Dvo%C5%99%C3%A1k. I find the results useful for some sorts but not others - specifically, genre and scoring don't always produce what I would think is a helpful result. I will still try creating a list but I'm going to continue with the manual sorting by genre as well. Orfeocookie (talk) 10:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * On further reflection, I might try building the list, and reducing the genre description to something more of a summary. For example, just saying 13 symphonies rather than listing them separately. I can probably get all the information I'm worried about losing that way. Or, possibly, I can move that sort of information into the main Vagn Holmboe article as part of a tidy up of the list there. Might work on it on this page, with a view to possibly revising that other article at a later stage. Orfeocookie (talk) 10:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You may already know this, but it is possible to put in invisible sort tags to influence the way the sort is done. (The Dvorak list uses these tags.) -- Klein zach  10:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Table progress
The table is slowly growing. I think I'm happy with the way it's developing. For the time being I'm putting the works where I don't know the Meta number at the end. However, once I've done all the entries, I will delete any lines with just a Meta number and no other information, and insert the 'non-Meta' entries into appropriate chronological positions. Of course the table is sortable in any case, but this will be the way the table appears initially. Orfeocookie (talk) 08:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If the date is more significant than the M or opus number, you might decide to put that column on the left. Incidentally there is a script available to move the columns around automatically. Let me know if you want to do that. -- Klein zach  11:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I will keep that in mind. The M number is the most significant, the only reason for not sorting entirely by M number is a lack of data. I don't have the complete list of M numbers at present. And apparently, to find it I either need to buy a book or travel to a library in Germany, the UK or California! (I'm in Australia)


 * The M numbers are chronological, so year of composition is a proxy where I don't know the exact number. I could make an educated guess about many of the missing M numbers, but it would be exactly that - a guess. Not suitable for an encylopaedia. Orfeocookie (talk) 02:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I think some of the people on WP:CM have library access so you could ask them to check specific items. Anyway if the M column is the most significant that's fine. Quite a number of other lists put opus numbers in the left-most column, which is basically the same thing. -- Klein zach  10:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Table data entry complete / remaining tasks
Table has as much data as I am comfortable with - I did not include some entries where I have cause for doubt about the accuracy. Surplus rows have been deleted and the items where I don't have the M number have been slotted in approximately the right place for now.

Tasks I can think of: 1. Fix the sorting in the Opus column, so that it behaves numerically. 2. Clean up the references I've included for specific rows. 3. Add more general references to my sources: Orfeocookie (talk) 07:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Grove
 * 1974 edition of Rapoport's catalogue
 * Wilhelm Hansen's Holmboe page
 * Dacapo records Holmboe page
 * BIS records Holmboe search results?
 * Earsense chamber music Holmboe page.


 * Looks good — maybe good enough to move to article space now? -- Klein zach  07:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Almost, not quite but getting pretty close - also need to clean up the top part. Is there a specific method for moving to article space, or do I just create a new page and copy the material across? Orfeocookie (talk) 08:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You just create a red link e.g List of compositions by Vagn Holmboe. Click on it and then cut and paste the contents over to it. (You should delete the copy in userspace.) -- Klein zach  09:22, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

LAUNCHED! Orfeocookie (talk) 03:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! I've done a few minor edits, but I'll sign off now. Good luck. -- Klein zach  08:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)