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Possibly unfree File:Goodall Cup Replica Cup 2014.png
Reply From orion_2012 Hello, this file is entirely my own work. My image, my editing, my camera ... my 'everything'. I thank you in advance for removing this allegation of yours.

Also you may wish to read the following:

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"If a work is not a sculpture, it may still qualify for copyright protection as a work of artistic craftsmanship. The types of product that may fall into this category include "handicrafted jewellery tiles, pots, stained-glass windows, wrought-iron gates, hand-knitted jumpers, and crocheted doilies" (Bentley and Sherman summarising the case law in Intellectual Property Law (Second Edition) p74)."

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"In the most influential case on the question, Henscher v Restawile Upholstery, a prototype of a chair was found not to be artistic, and was therefore unworthy of protection. However, different judges have different views about what is or is not artistic, and the cases following Henscher are not always helpful."

So the onus is upon you to determine whether a sports trophy that belongs to a league that I provide media for would be classified under "Artistic craftsmanship" and furthermore would a court adjudge this sports trophy "artistic" (which is required before awarding any separate protection). Then and only then can you accurately make your allegation, until then you haven't any premise to make such allegation.


 * Based on your analysis I've withdrawn the PUF. I've also struck the above notification you received. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:44, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for responding
I've had another look at the image you mentioned on my talk-page, based on your analysis, the PUF concern was withdrawn, and the image has now been tagged as a potentially useful image for Wikimedia Commons. It was challenged because it wasn't clear from the file description page, who the creator of the trophy was, compared to the creator of the photo, the trophy being a seperate artistic work. However, given the new information in your response, that concern is now irrelevant, as it's reasonable to assume that as you've created media for the holders of it, that you had permission to do so. The PUF concern accordingly has been withdrawn.

I've also taken another look at a second image which you had uploaded File:Joan McKowen.jpg again on the basis of the information you provided in response to the concern raised in the PUF disscussion. Was this a photograph you took? (if so do you have a higher quality version, compared to the currently web sourced one?) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:35, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

The second image is of a deceased person whom is the key subject within the article it has been used in as the trophy is a memorial for her as a person.

Under the Non-Free use definitions on Wikipedia, the image must meet all 10 definitions, which it does: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Policy_2

The issue is that I tagged it as Public Domain when it should be Non-Free fair use instead.


 * Thanks. I've Wiki-Linked Joan McKowen, The link you gave in the trophy article seems to suggest that they were rather active in the development of the sport in Australia, as well as having played at International level? If so they would appear to meet the criteria for being notable enough to have their own article, is someone wants to write one :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah OK, I wasn't sure she met the criteria so I didn't make an article for her, yes she was absolutely pivotal to the development of women's ice hockey in Australia at a national level and was instrumental in the current formation of the National Women's ice hockey league here. As well as international she was one of the most key figures in Australian women's hockey being represented internationally. I will save the information for an article about her though :).


 * Multi-appearance International players generally meet notablity criteria :) And don't forget to sign your talk page comments Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

File:John Edwin Goodall 1922.jpg
If it's a 1922 image, why is the archive claiming a new copyright? Wikipedia policy generally seems to be that if the original was PD by 1996 (which for a 1922 image it would be) then mere mechanical reproduction doesn't generate a new copyright. I appreciate Australia may have a different 'sweat of the brow' doctrine to the US.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I sourced that image directly off of a person who has claimed copyright on the image. To be safe I did seek his permission to use the image, which he granted.

According to Australian Copyright Law however, there is no grey area with photographs (something I only recently found out a week ago).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_expiration_in_Australia

"All photographs taken before 1 January 1955 are now out of copyright and do not benefit from the new rules."

It appears to me that he cannot actually claim copyright on the scan he made of the original 1922 image, and the scan itself cannot be considered 'new work' which could fall under new copyright. I agree that this image should actually be listed as Public Domain. I'm happy to credit him for finding it but Australian law is very clear that he cannot claim copyright on the image. Orion 2012 (talk) 03:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

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File:Sydney Maple Leafs Uniform 2012.jpg
OTRS sent in ?Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

They have been now, the rights holder also sent the following (if you would like the original email forwarded to you for proof, simply supply an email and I can show this to whomever is concerned):

"Thanks for this, don’t know why they are being difficult over it."

"If it helps, I grant you full rights to all content on hewittsports.com"

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I wish to have this file deleted as I do not wish to use it, I would much rather create a unique image that I have 100% rights to so I can place it in the Public domain.Orion 2012 (talk) 03:05, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Just delete, god you people make this too hard to contribute. I got copied in on the email sent by the "rights holder" to the appropriate address permissions-en@wikimedia.org ages ago. Whatever, your loss. I don't know what else I can do apart from arrange a personal visitation by the rights owner. Sort your system out - it is brokenOrion 2012 (talk) 23:51, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 1929 Goodall Cup Finals
Hello Orion 2012,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged 1929 Goodall Cup Finals for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. FindMeLost (talk) 04:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Oops!
My fault actually. I was using Page Curation- and well.. maybe got confused with another article lacking Citations. FindMeLost (talk) 04:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

More references are being added now anyway, so it will be satisfactory shortly. Each finals series usually averages a minimum of 3 references as they are a 3 game series so you at least get 1 newspaper article with a game report per game until at least the 1940's from what I have collected. All are major circulation newspaper articles so the quality of the source is undeniable. I try to stick with those references for this sort of thingOrion 2012 (talk) 04:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks ... forgot about adding them thereOrion 2012 (talk) 04:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Archiving references
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I did notice that OTF disappeared and didn't know what to do to tackle that.Orion 2012 (talk) 00:59, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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This is an article is about a brand new ice hockey team that has just been formed (and will continue to compete) in Australia's national Junior hockey league. This is significant and I ask that you remove the speedy deletion tag immediately. It is of national significance to Australian sport and in particular the national junior ice hockey league. If you need further clarification, ask BEFORE thoughts of deleting it. Orion 2012 (talk) 13:54, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, I appreciate your concern over a 'rights issue'. As already indicated, I work in a volunteer capacity for the actual entity that owns the rights to this image - as the entity itself is a volunteer organisation, this is as high a capacity I can attain for the work I do. I am the administrator for the entities social media and online activity. I find it impossible to further evidence that I have the right to use this image as that would only come from somebody like me or it would be me who grants myself the right to use the image. Feel free to do what you wish, Wikipedia would lose out on the opportunity to collect an image of a historic national trophy (we have used on other online platforms already) should you wish to delete the file. I'm happy with that outcome if that is the way you feel you must deal with this. Orion 2012 (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Victorian State Ice Hockey Team 1922.jpg
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Please delete as a better quality, public domain version of this image is now being usedOrion 2012 (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

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I just happened to see your comments on the deletion discussion. Since the discussions had already closed, no one saw your comments. (As the page says, subsequent comments should be made elsewhere.) But to reply, because Wikipedia's servers are physically located in the United States, Wikipedia is obligated to follow United States copyright law. See Copyrights. Wikiacc (¶) 02:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the approach to this though I feel it is more nuanced than this (ie. if you look at the definition of what "derivative work" is and how copyright is managed and who possesses copyright status in the case of derivative work - which brings the 'USA based server location' reasoning into question), however I have simply sought a more practical source for sharing these images as this is proving to be a crippling limitation of Wikipedia if international participation is being encouraged yet only if it complies with American Copyright Law using server location as the explanation for why this is. That is a shame in my opinion but hopefully one day Wikipedia owners can negotiate a way forward from this limitationOrion 2012 (talk) 01:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)