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Category:Angelo Badalamenti has been nominated for deletion
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Lisa Gerrard
Hey. In regards to classifying Gerrard's music, I think we must plant a few concrete posts for readers who know little to nothing about her or her music. Genres help in this regard. We can do this and acknowledge that DCD are anti-movements/genres. - HappyWaldo (talk) 23:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. For "neoclassical dark wave", I can get along with you, even though I don't really like it. But I don't agree with this sentence in the lead: "she played a pivotal role in the city's Little Band scene and fronted post-punk group Microfilm". This is irrelevant because she only wrote two songs with this group as a beginner artist: "Centrefold" and "Widow". It's puffery. Considering the insignificance of this group compared to her huge discography in 30 years of career (see: Lisa Gerrard discography) the sentence must be condensed as: "she played with post-punk group Microfilm, before co-founding .. . ", per WP: CONCISE. As a whole Gerrard is a classical/avant-garde/baroque singer who recorded albums with Pieter Bourke, Patrick Cassidy, Yordan Kamdzhalov, Klaus Schulze, The Mystery Of The Bulgarian Voice; emphasizing Microfilm is irrelevant. Oroborvs (talk) 14:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The term "neoclassical dark wave" is pretty laughable imo, but not many bands can claim a whole (sub)genre. Worth noting. Also I'm not sure it's puffery to highlight the little bands/Microfilm. Maybe WP:FANCRUFT or assigning undue weight. But even then I disagree, as it covers her post-punk origins. Gerrard first began performing in the scene and went on to sing for several little bands. It's also where she met Perry, so it leads logically into DCD. If anything, I would leave the little bands and drop Microfilm. - HappyWaldo (talk) 21:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes that's what I think too, that's why I refer to what DCD says in interviews rather than focusing on what journalists write. That's why I deleted "Gothic rock" from the infobox. Anyway, it's ok with what you wrote, I can agree with you, not a drama. Instead, I'll add a few lines about her collaborations that she had outside of DCD, to compensate with Microfilm/DCD – that will strike a balance. Also, I noticed some copy/paste in the body, so I rewrote differently and found some sources; the subsection Film career is suspicious, to me, I guess that's why there are no sources. Oroborvs (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Collateral Damage
I reverted an insertion of unsourced info into the Miley Cyrus article, and your edit (that fixed the broken tag) got nailed, too. Just wanted to let you know I wasn't aiming at you. Cheers! &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 17:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. No problem, the section was messy anyway. Oroborvs (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Dolores O& has been nominated for deletion
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Your work on Gojira deserves a barnstar

 * Hi. It's very nice. I have my first Barnstar. Thank you very much. Oroborvs (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Gojira is one of my favorite metal bands and it's good to see it getting the attention it needed. Do you plan on going for good article again on it?  danny music editor  oops 21:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's quite catchy indeed. I don't have anything planned at the moment, why not if I find some quality content to add on it. I'm trying to find content from the Godzilla or Terra Incognita era. The Gojira page seems stable to me. I could develop From Mars to Sirius. Oroborvs (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey Oroborvs, I never got back to you on this because I wanted to see how much progress would come along with a bit more time, but I would like to clarify on this message that I was not referring to just Gojira being any very good Wikipedia article, but actually being nominated for addition to a high-standard list (here is the French equivalent). You see, Gojira's English page used to be one of these, but the standards were lower back when it was listed and the editor who made it that way retired not long after reaching that point. The condition of the article ultimately decayed, and I actually participated in the discussion that led to its removal it looked like this. With all the hard work you've done, however, I'm now thinking it might deserve to be re-nominated for that status. You understand me?


 * What do you think? I would be willing to help such an effort if you decide to try, seeing as your native language is French and I have several successful nominations.  danny music editor  oops 01:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Daniel. I understand what you are telling me, and I agree to re-nominate the status of the page, Gojira (band). Like I said below to Mungo Kitsch, I have no experience with the page status review process. So, yes, I would like you to help me now. I also want the page to reach GA status. I had to buy nine magazines on eBay to bring in sources.


 * I have a question − it would be unfortunate that the nomination could fail because of this point: I don't know what to do with the source number 11. The only source that bothers me − although I do not doubt that the content is factual. It's a review of concerts by the Duplantier brothers from the pre-Godzilla era. But this is the only generated-user source on the page; I do not know if I should delete it or not? Oroborvs (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We could possibly just delete it. Do you think the other source next to it cover the article's material well enough?
 * As for ensuring the article's writing style is in good shape, I will enlist the help of someone in the Guild of Copy Editors to help improve it. Since it is a very large job, I think someone dedicated to that particular type of work would be best to have a look at it.
 * Finally, I could nominate the article in your name, and list myself as an endorsement of sorts, someone willing to help with the process, if you would like.  danny music editor  oops 23:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Finally, I could nominate the article in your name, and list myself as an endorsement of sorts, someone willing to help with the process, if you would like.  danny music editor  oops 23:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Finally, I could nominate the article in your name, and list myself as an endorsement of sorts, someone willing to help with the process, if you would like.  danny music editor  oops 23:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed you had added some samples into the article. While it would be very informative, I'm not sure they pass the non-free content criteria, and they would need to in order for the article to be promoted. Particularly, I'm concerned they do not fulfill criteria 3a or 8 as they are now; five is usually too many from what I've been told in my previous nominations (Deftones was where I learned this; I removed two of the five existing samples), and they would need to be captioned with something that would tie them into the text other than the recordings just appearing on an album.  danny music editor  oops 23:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi. I deleted the source and rewrote the sentence, supported by the remaining one, so it is okay.
 * Indeed it will be better this way with a person dedicated to controlling the articles' writing. From what I see, we have time; the wait is one month.
 * That is nice to help me out; that is what I was initially looking for because I was in deadlock.
 * As for the files, I ripped the audio and uploaded it mechanically. I saw that it did not meet the criteria this morning, also I now understand that three audio files per article are sufficient; my TV failed to load the page. In fact, "Of Blood and Salt" must be deleted. The audio file "Ocean Planet" was moved to From Mars to Sirius article.
 * Otherwise, I do not know what to do with the Indigenous Brazilian child picture − if it should be kept or not; it looks a bit weird? Although the Amazon rainforest deforestation picture next to it is relevant, I guess. Oroborvs (talk) 19:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion would be to remove the child; while it is relevant, it does not look visually well-presented in my opinion. I have nominated the article for GA status in your name, with me as a co-nominator and supporter for your case.  danny music editor  oops 02:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I thank you for having listed the page − in my name in the good article nominations and for staying to support. I removed the image of the child; it is better that way indeed. Also, can you give me your opinion on the images of the Amazon rainforest deforestation and the whale and Lord Buddha? I cannot assess alone whether it is relevant or inconvenient. Oroborvs (talk) 17:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I really do not know. I tend to only illustrate band and music pages with shots of performances and the band's members, myself; if anywhere, I typically illustrate individual recordings with these kinds of images. I think using the rainforest deforestation is good, but I do not know what the *band's* article really gains from having them. I don't think it's inherently bad, just unconventional. What we could do is wait until we get the opinion of a good article reviewer; so long that the images are free images, there won't be much of a problem when we come to that question.  danny music editor  oops 03:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. I plan to delete these images shortly, before reaching the evaluation, as it becomes uncomfortable. It is indeed unconventional; it was a test at first, but I got used to it. I will move the image's captions to the adequate albums articles. It doesn't help the page, but there will be a portion of text at the bottom of Gojira's article without an image. Oroborvs (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing necessarily wrong with that. Images are there to be used only when both available and appropriate.  danny music editor  oops 17:05, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another questioning (that should be the last) that requires a second opinion is the band Cavalera Conspiracy in the subsection Side projects. Although being connected to Joe Duplantier, this is not really a side-project of Gojira, I presume. Therefore, I am thinking of deleting that subsection and putting some info on Joe Duplantier's article. Oroborvs (talk) 23:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it is valid, I have always thought of "super groups" like Cavalera Conspiracy as side projects to the original bands of the members who formed the super group. I also, however, see that it is not related to Gojira as strongly as the others are, so perhaps we could list it toward the end of the section? The section definitely is not completely without merit to the band's history, so I think it works better here than anywhere else.  danny music editor  oops 17:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. So okay, I was about to delete the subsection but I'm changing my mind. By placing Cavalera Conspiracy at the end of the section I thought of WP:NPOV, which is why I listed the whole section in chronological date order. For now, for my part, I do not see anything else that could be problematic. Oroborvs (talk) 19:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. So okay, I was about to delete the subsection but I'm changing my mind. By placing Cavalera Conspiracy at the end of the section I thought of WP:NPOV, which is why I listed the whole section in chronological date order. For now, for my part, I do not see anything else that could be problematic. Oroborvs (talk) 19:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Same headline as above, but replace "Gojira" with "Joe Duplantier"
PS: If you're interested, I believe the John Haughm article needs this or a similar treatment; it is skeletal, not thorough in enough areas, and has undue weight issues. Mungo Kitsch  (talk)  01:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi! Your praise and the Barnstar are much appreciated. I had all the information; it was just a matter of finding the time necessary to expand the page. Feel free to correct any grammatical or wording mistakes. I agree with your suggestion to upgrade the article, although I have no experience in the process of assessment. I'll see for John Haughm; I just have to find the time to immerse myself in the artist's biography! Have a nice day. Oroborvs (talk) 10:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Spiritbox
My friend, you seem upset about how I edited the section last night. I didn't mean for you to take it personally, and most of the points you made are fine. I thought Morin's insight specifically on how he thought Spiritbox was difficult to categorize was thorough enough that it would be worth including, but better off as a side note. If you think that box is ugly, that's fine, but what do you think about including it somehow else? I could add something to the |quote= parameter of the reference.

As for Revolver, WP:PUBLISHED does make a good case, but the content inside of it seemed (from my perspective) to be less thoroughly notable as quoted material. All I feel that they are offering is describing the band as alternative metal (which I noted above a couple sentences before) with djent influences, even though we already have people calling them djent directly, so I thought it mostly superfluous. Or, we could add more in-depth opinions from the publishers already offered - I see at least a couple that I think meet WP:PUBLISHED. I just see an inconsistency here, I guess is what I am trying to say. (Also, I agree that idea of "postcore" Morin offered is silly and will leave that out of the quote should I add that.)  danny music editor  oops 15:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * There is nothing personal but the article is seen worldwide. Well, Morin's review is a nightmare to me 🤐. I think a quote box is useless. Visually it gives the impression of being a major piece of the article: a review of Metal Injection and a new genre invented for Spiritbox by Morin (who?) as a conclusion: Postcore. There are several "versions" to describe their music that contradict each other: LaPlante says they do metalcore: "I wanna be, like, the 2 Chainz of metalcore". I always listen to what the artist has to say, he knows his sound and his influences. Loudwire says that their sound is "ethereal post-metal and straight-up metalcore"; Loudwire is very straightforward. Kerrang! says it's "100% post-metal" (ridiculous. The two-thirds of "Constance" is post-metal – but the end is a big metalcore breakdown). Morin says it's "useless" to categorize them but in a stupidly contradictory way concludes that it's Postcore. We both know that Spiritbox is not in the punk rock music genre; it's a metal band with a djent guitar tone. Morin who failed his review "tried" to say that "post" + "metal" + "core" = post-metalcore. Knowing that post-metalcore redirects to metalcore, I can say in a very neutral way that the metalcore genre dominates the section, but as I did not say in the article due to the NPOV, then the metalcore genre appears first in the list of genres. If Morin really means Postcore = "punk rock music genre", then his review is reeeaaally bad.


 * This is why the first sentence of Morin's review: "Writing for Metal Injection, Max Morin wrote that attempting to pigeonhole the band to any particular music style is 'pointless'" is enough, because the rest of his review is easy to discredit, and readers of the page won't appreciate Morin's opinion either. Indeed, to say that "They could fall under the broad category of 'metalcore', but there's barely any similarity to the big names of that genre", while New Noise Magazine says the opposite ("Canadian metalcore juggernaut Spiritbox"), tends to define an NPOV problem. Why the quote from Metal Injection but not the one from New Noise Magazine? Also, what he says: "Prog metal implies a more technical approach, while pop metal doesn't feel heavy enough": what are his qualifications to say that Stringer is not a technical guitarist? Stringer is considered a veteran; the readers will laugh. And this: "Djent has fallen out of fashion", while Spiritbox has itself a super modern Djent guitar sound; yet another contradiction. That's why we have to drop this review from Morin and leave the section stable; the current state of this section is correct and neutral, as all opinions are exposed, without emphasizing one music critic in particular, to the detriment of another.


 * A quote from Kerrang! which is the antithesis of Morin's review (three quarters at the bottom of the page), and professionally written: "Perhaps Eternal Blue’s most striking achievement is its refusal to be pegged by the most basic definition of the word. Certainly, this is a record born from the band's post-metalcore roots; the likes of The Acacia Strain and Architects (whose vocalist, Sam Carter, features on the bludgeoning track Yellowjacket) being clear influences on the tones and tunings at play throughout the record’s heaviest moments. Riffs – technical riffs, challenging riffs – abound; breakdowns, too. But Eternal Blue is a record, crucially, of different dimensions and colours. Genre conventions are instructive, yet not restrictive, and so those same bruising djent grooves come laced with an underlying warmth, too". You can see one more element that contradicts Morin's review → Kerrang!: "technical riffs" → Morin: "Prog metal implies a more technical approach". I don't recognize Spiritbox's album, Eternal Blue, in Morin's review, unlike Kerrang's.


 * Revolver magazine's quote: "alt-metal with elegant vocals and thunderous djent grooves"; because it's well written, the alt-metal genre could tone down the metalcore genre a bit, and the "djent gooves" appears, again, like in Kerrang's quote above; you see the agreement of opinions between these two critcs. The quality of writing and knowledge of these published sources speaks for itself. What is superfluous and unnecessary is the review by Morin, the Postcore genre is, therefore, post-metalcore, which is also noted in the text. This "Nevertheless" which opened the section and made the link between the quote from Morin and all the genres did not seem neutral; Morin's review with his Postcore dominates all other genres. About Spiritbox = Postcore, yes it is silly, because it will spread over the internet and it is inappropriate. Oroborvs (talk) 21:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * So we definitely agree that this "postcore" thing is utter nonsense. But here's what I find fascinating. Apparently, Max Morin also writes for Exclaim!: 🤔  danny music editor  oops 22:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I nominated that "postcore" redirect for deletion. For all we know "postcore" and "post-metalcore" are the same thing! There's not even mention of it in post-hardcore!


 * One final thing: so, if I understand you correctly, what you are trying to tell me is that his views are fringe? I could get behind that, I didn't see it before.  danny music editor  oops 22:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Daniel, yeah "postcore" is a nonsense, we know post-punk, post-rock, post-metal, and so on... I can't wait for the post-morincore 😁. Indeed, he is doing better for interviews, the information are consistent with other sources; but note the inconsistency and contradiction in the second paragraph of the interview: "progressive djent band". You did well nominated "postcore". Also, post-metalcore redirects to metalcore; it must be a little different from the metalcore genre. Yes, I wrote a long text because I hadn't seen the fringe page; that's quite right: strange and personal theories. Mike Stringer is a multi-instrumentalist, and Spiritbox has prog element and technique contrary to what Morin says. Have a nice evening, it's 1:30 am here. Oroborvs (talk) 23:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Good news, friend! I began writing an article for the now notable debut album for the band, located here. I just wanted to thank you for your hard work on the band's article, and wanted to let you know that most of the content in the article I took from your work. Let me know what you think and if I should include anything else - of course, I am not done yet, but from what is there currently, I did make some omissions that were not directly related to the album and more relevant to the band's page.  danny music editor  oops 02:22, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi! I saw this morning before going to work that you had created the page. Thanks that's cool. I was too lazy the last few days to do this.


 * I wanted to tell you that I'm going to do several passages on the page of the album that you created because there is information to add; songwriting started in 2018 and 2019. Also a #Commercial performance section would be added if you agree, as I am inspired by Featured Articles for the name of the sections, such as Déjà Vu (Beyoncé song) or 4 (Beyoncé album). I saw info here for the section #Personnel.Oroborvs (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There is only one problem with using that source for personnel. Technically, Discogs fails WP:USERG, and I only ever use it (rarely) when a shot of the album's credits are visible, and I cannot see that in the pictures provided.  danny music editor  oops 18:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's indeed user-generated, and I can't find anything on google either. Oroborvs (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * A little late, I didn't see the award until now - congratulations buddy. It was my pleasure to help you. Maybe in the future we can do Spiritbox and/or Eternal Blue together!  danny music editor  oops 17:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's see for Spiritbox; with images as well. Did you see that the Gojira timeline has reappeared. Oroborvs (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

usanewscourt.com as a reference
Hi Oroborvs. I noticed that you used usanewscourt.com as a source  in Dolores O'Riordan. I am unable to find any evidence or discussion indicating that it meets reliable sourcing criteria for such information, and I've found other usanewscourt.com that use Wikipedia as a reference. I've gone ahead and removed it. If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks.--Hipal (talk) 22:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi. There is no problem. Indeed, the website is not reliable; it was a time when I only had four months of experience on WP. Have a good day, Hipal. Oroborvs (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Templates
Hi Orborvs. Thanks for your response at the IP talk page. Could you undo your other couple recent vandalism templates. I think your view of the changes being overly detailed is reasonable, but the IP changes weren't vandalism. I reverted one and I'd appreciate it if you'd revert or blank the others. Thanks, Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:22, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It was not vandalism but disruptive editing of the Newcastle upon Tyne IP. I remember seeing an IP from this area doing the same editing style on this article. I wanted him to stop. So other IPs who came to do c/e on these edits, I thought it was people who knew each other. It seems difficult to log in or create an account for some. --Oroborvs (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, context, and self-rvs! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

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Spiritbox
Salut, old friend. It's been a while since we teamed up for our efforts on Spiritbox and Gojira. Are you currently working on Spiritbox? I would like to bring the band article, as well as Eternal Blue, to good article eventually, and I was wondering if it was okay if I would nominate it at this time. I also noticed an old talk page message regarding your opinion of their touring section - I don't think it's so bad for the moment, but as the band goes on more I do agree that it eventually will be necessary to work it into the history section.  danny music editor  oops 18:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Dan. I am not working on any Spiritbox articles and have no plans for articles relating to this band. It does not bother me if you bring these articles forward towards a good article nomination; you can also put them in your own name. Also, that does not bother me if you rephrase some passages I wrote in these Spiritbox articles. Not sure if the awards section is updated, though. I also think that their touring section will expand over the years; I found having the tours in the career section would be more standard. Oroborvs (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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Monica Bellucci
Hello, dear friend! Thank you very much for the article, I liked it very much! I wanted to ask you - can I eventually nominate an article for "good" status? When nominating I will mention you as the author of the article. Ukrainian Wikipedia is very lacking articles about such beautiful and outstanding women as Monica Bellucci. And in general, we have few articles about world-class stars. I like Bellucci very much, I want to make a tribute to her. And I advise you to nominate your article for this status too, she deserves it. I'm a little embarrassed to ask this, but I'll risk it nonetheless. If not, I thank you very much anyway! I apologize for the broken English. Unfortunately, I don't speak English, so I had to use a bunch of machine translation of the internet, and then finalize the text myself. Sincerely, Nikolai!--Парус (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for the kind words. Indeed, I will propose this article in English for good article nomination (GAN) when the time comes. I'm trying to improve the English article slightly, although it's heading towards the end. I don't know how it works on Wikipedia Ukraine because, on the English version, the editors have to go through the stage of a copy edit request to correct typos, spelling mistakes, tenses, and punctuation, before any good article nomination. I have not yet reached the point of making a copy edit request on the English page (however, this article has been copy-edited: List of Monica Bellucci performances). Maybe you should consider this if you want to nominate the Ukrainian article for a good article nomination. You can cite me as the primary author, knowing you translated everything into Ukrainian.

You should also take into account the improvements made for some time to the English article via the revision history. The "Modelling career" section now starts when she was 16; according to her statement, she began at that age (not at 13). All information before this age has been included in the "Early life" section.

Also, this sentence corresponds to 1997: Nina Hald of Berlingske said, "Cartier chose for the first time to associate an actress closely with the house".30

I improved this information corresponding to the 2007 date: ''Cartier designed a collection of luxury diamond jewellery inspired by Bellucci's private commission and bearing her name.[30]31 It was first presented at a Cartier event in Dubai in 2007. A jewellery collection named after an actress was unprecedented in Cartier's history.[30]''

I found out that it was actually Carlo Vanzina who discovered her and recommended her to Dino Risi: Bellucci made her screen debut in 1990 in Dino Risi's television film Vita coi figli.[24] She was cast after Italian director Carlo Vanzina noticed a portrait photograph of her in a magazine and recommended her to Risi.49

I added this in the "Other activities" section: Bellucci is regarded in France as an ambassador of Italy.179

I added this in the "Public image" section: In 2018, Bellucci was named among the 100 most successful Italian women by Forbes Italy, listed alphabetically.199

I replaced the first source with an article from the newspaper La Stampa: ''Bellucci and Cassel have two daughters, Deva Cassel (born 12 September 2004) and Léonie (born 21 May 2010). Their daughters were born in Rome.215[216]''

In the "Personal life" section, I added: in 2023, she purchased a villa on the Greek island of Paros.228, as well as, She does not have French nationality.[179]

In the "Acting credits and accolades" section, I changed a source to Der Spiegel instead, regarding this: In 2006, French Minister of the Interior Nicolas Sarkozy conferred her with the knight of the Order of Arts and Letters.232

I improved the Lead and the section: "2018–present: Recent career". Oroborvs (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the message! On Ukrainian Wikipedia, an article also has to go through a review process before nomination. But because of the terrible war in our country, related to Russian aggression - we have few active users who are engaged in reviewing, so often it is necessary to nominate the article immediately, where in the course of voting its shortcomings begin to be eliminated. Noticed your recent changes to the article - I'm trying to keep that in mind too, but haven't finalized the work in that regard yet. Honestly, I like having the movieography and awards in the article itself better. I also decided to add more information about Bellucci's acting skills to the article, and added some more information about the movie Malena, and her childhood and teenage times. I added a little more about the Monica Bellucci rose. At a future nomination, I will be sure to mention you as the author of the article. Working on the translation of your article on Monica Bellucci is now helping me deal with severe depression caused by the terrible war. The absorption of working on your article in a way acts as an antidepressant - for which I thank you.--Парус (talk) 18:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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I see you're the biggest contributor to Zombie (The Cranberries song). I stumbled upon the article, found it very high quality and after one edit to source unreferenced claims, nominated it for the GA. Thought would be no issue, specially considering how long people show up to review, but just as it was picked up it was erased for being a drive-by. Do you see any issue with my involvement, or find anything lacking on the page? (in any case, it could be renominated) igordebraga ≠ 00:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see any problem if you submit the article to a GA nomination. Finding good sources was a problem back then. I remember the "In Popular Culture" section was unmanageable, and this is still the case, with Facebook which fails WP:RSPFB. Perhaps you will submit it first for a copy edit request. Oroborvs (talk) 18:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

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Monica Bellucci

 * Hi Oroborvs, I've finished my c/e; I added two [clarification needed] templates; one in the fourth paragraph of the section "Public Image" and one in the ninth paragraph of the section "Personal life". The first tag marks an confusing sentence; "while Christophe Carrière of L'Express said others of "variable geometry" compose her filmography." and the other marks an incomplete sentence; "In September 2021, Bellucci said being "up to date with my tax obligations both in France and abroad"; you may wish to fix these errors before nominating the article for GAN; otherwise I can't see any reason this shouldn't be nominated. Good luck and cheers,  Baffle☿gab  03:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)