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Greetings. The hidden note I left on the article was sort of an idle request for other editors to help out in transferring in place of. Could that be done? I have no idea how to do it myself. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:56, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The image page says that it has free, self-copyright and can be moved to commons. If that were done, it could easily be linked from the English Wikipedia. Otherwise, it would have to be uploaded to the English Wikipedia just like any other image, and marked with the appropriate licensing. Images don't have to be uploaded with the same name, so an existing file in the English Wikipedia should not matter, as your note implied. —Ost (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, your script changed the "Website" heading to "External links" here. Please be more careful in the future. Legoktm (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks for fixing it and letting me know. —Ost (talk) 21:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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This edit broke a lot of stuff, e.g.: Please be careful when making software-assisted edits. Cheers, —Ruud 17:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 4.03.1214 -> 4 March 1214 (?!)
 * Intel 80386 DX -> Intel 80386 DX
 * I disagree that "a lot" was broken, but I'll try to catch that in the future. Thanks for fixing it. —Ost (talk) 17:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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I noticed in a recent edit of yours that your Auto-ed changes capitals at the beginning of template names to small letters. Please don't do that. After all, the names of templates are written with capitals. Even if you don't want to change them into capitals, at least don't remove them. Debresser (talk) 19:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've never particularly liked that feature of the tool (even though I generally use lowercase formatting when manually adding citation templates), but I don't see the problem as this has zero-impact to readers. As a technical limitation of the platform, all pages start with a capital letter. That doesn't stop valid links like iPhone, which really resides at IPhone. I've asked the developer as to why this feature exists and if it could be toggled, but I don't consider these edits to be disruptive. See WP:CITE; the templates are listed in lowercase. —Ost (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree. Not disruptive. But not logical either. So you say it is in the tool itself, not user settings? Debresser (talk) 07:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, unless there is a setting that is not documented where the others are. —Ost (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Debresser (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hello OST. I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia. I feel that I need to remind you that sometimes, rigid adherence to rules goes against all common sense and that we actually have a rule that says if another rule interferes with making a good encyclopedia, then ignore it.

At WP:PRIMARY, the first sentence of the second paragraph states (in relevant part): "Appropriate sourcing can be a complicated issue, and these are general rules. Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are appropriate in any given instance is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense...." (link in original).

This past October, you tagged the article Simple English Wikipedia with tags, stating that the reason was due to WP:PRIMARY. Given that the article draws directly from our own database and uses Wikipedia database functions, this application of the tag was absurd. As currently written, the article grabs data from Wikipedia's own servers to provide exact and up-to-the-minute statistics about this Wikimedia project; any secondary source that reports different numbers is likely to be either out-of-date, or a pure fabrication.

In the future, I hope that when you apply tags to articles, that you consider whether the tag makes sense in the particular situation, and whether it is possible for anyone else to act on the tag to improve the article. If either condition is not met, please don't apply the tag. (Please ping me if you reply here as I have too many pages on my watch list to watch!) Etamni &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 09:55, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your time and input, and will try to be more cautious. I was using AWB and the way that sentence is written, it doesn't sound like they're current numbers; I probably missed that it was using functions. That being said, articles relying on primary sources have a higher at risk of problems such as WP:UNDUE and WP:OR. For instance, despite the quote being mostly accurate (it's actually missing a comma), it is editorial opinion to ascribe it as "the stated aim" of Simple Wikipedia; I read the aim as to provide "an easy-to-read online encyclopedia for people who are learning English", as the link's lede says. The quoted portion seems like it's talking about a secondary audience, as it follows the phrase "is also for". —Ost (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * In re-reading my comments above, I apologize if they came off as a bit bitey -- that wasn't my intent. Anyway, this particular article is a tricky one because it is an article about a Wikimedia project, and is sourcing some statistics from Wikipedia's own database, and other information from a page in "Wikipedia" space -- not technically a policy or guideline, but it might as well be one. I think we can look at the article on this site titled Wikipedia for guidance. That article, which is an encyclopedia article about Wikipedia (and primarily the English Wikipedia), uses both external sources and internal sources for some of it's information. Additionally, it also uses database functions (and doesn't even provide a citation for them). I agree that there are valid reason for generally preferring secondary sources in articles, including the reasons you mentioned above. Regarding this particular article, I think the quoted material is fine and there is absolutely no problems with the use of the database functions to retrieve the statistics about the project.  (BTW, if you are interested, you can confirm those statistics at simple:special:statistics. Also, please note that I've adjusted the article to include the missing comma -- you are right that since it's a quote, it should be perfectly correct.  I haven't checked to see if the source was changed after the article was written here, or if someone just didn't notice that they missed a comma when they wrote the article, but it's fixed either way. Etamni &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 09:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it wa bitey, just trying to be comprehensive. I hope that my explanation was taken the same; I have a tendency to overexplain. —Ost (talk) 18:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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