User talk:Otap

Rumspringa
Please stop making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia articles as you have done repeatedly to Rumspringa. If you feel that your edits are being misunderstood, observe the WP:BRD cycle and discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Specifically, the claims you make have already been discussed at length, and editors arrived at a formulation that recognizes the various points of view of a number of WP:RS's. If you have such a source for your much stronger wording, you should provide it. DavidOaks (talk) 21:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You wrote on my talkpage: Editing the text of Rumspringa on my part is far from being unconstructive. Having been born and raised Amish and living in multiple Amish sects for 35 years would tend to make one an authority on the subject.  I understand that you may have read a book or two on the subject, but 99% of the books out there are far from the truth.  If you buy into to your belief of Rumspringa, you must also believe that every Italian is a mobster.  Grow up and let one who knows first hand report the facts as they are.  The facts as placed by me can be verified by any other Amish or Mennonite individual in an Amish society in America.


 * I suspected there might be something like this at work, and that your edits were WP:GF. What you're talking about here is WP:OR, and no matter what you personally know, it can't come in without a reliable source. Read the article carefully, you'll see it does NOT endorse the veiw that Rumspringa is universal, normative, or even that it exists as an institution. DavidOaks (talk) 11:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * LATER: ok, here's something This guy is a scholar and an insider, thus WP:RS and he seems to be saying the things you are. Want to see if you can adapt some quotes from section #1 and get them into the article? DavidOaks (talk) 15:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)