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The Bugle: Issue LXXXII, January 2013
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIII, February 2013
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013
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The Center Line: Spring 2013

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On names of US lighthouses
Lighthouses in the US are invariably named "placename Light", not "Lighthouse", by the governing authorities. Please at least discuss this with others before overriding this convention. Also, the cut-and-paste move of Sabine Pass Light creates a disruption in the article history. If you cannot accomplish a proper move yourself, use Requested moves to ask an administrator to do it for you. Thank you for your work. Mangoe (talk) 12:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC) I answered at Talk:List of lighthouses in the United States. Otr500 (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVI, May 2013
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXVIII, July 2013
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The Center Line: Summer 2013

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIX, August 2013
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Kurdish separatism in Iran campaignbox
Hello Zirguezi, since you were active on the Kurdish Iranian topic in the past - i would like to notify you the following: Recently an article Kurdish separatism in Iran was forced a split into new Rebellions in Iranian Kurdistan; In addition, the campaignbox was as well split : from template:Campaignbox Kurdish separatism in Iran into the new template:Campaignbox Kurdish–Iranian conflict. I proposed to remerge the campaignboxes via a community consensus, with the rationale that the split of articles was made artificially and without any real need (the user who did it, had wanted to rename the Kurdish separatism in Iran article, but when failed - he started a "competitive" article). You are welcome to express your opinion at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_3.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXXX, September 2013
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The Bugle: Issue XCI, October 2013
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The Center Line: Fall 2013

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The Bugle: Issue XCII, November 2013
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The Bugle: Issue XCIII, December 2013
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The Bugle: Issue XCIV, January 2014
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The Center Line: Winter 2013

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Reasons for lack of editing
I have slowed down editing on Wikipedia as lack of edits will show. The reasons are what can be referred to as "mythical":
 * 1)- Guardian editors; These are mythical editors with good intentions but if they alone do not like something in an article, even if relevant and sourced, it will be reverted, resulting in unnecessary complications.
 * 2)- What I call a Cabal even if I am assured they do not exist so are mythical. I have had the displeasure of meeting such a mythical group (I may have only been dreaming) that I (my personal opinion) feel can be humorously referred to as "The Knights of NPOV Cabal" or "The Never Finishes an Article Cabal". It is my opinion, and with considerable proof, they (if they were to exist) rename articles in violation of Policies and guidelines, only creating a majority of stub articles with many being misnamed. Pages of evidence to the contrary will result in pages of verbiage, and any attempt to change this will be a battle. Some editors just want to edit. Sure, knowing there is irrefutable evidence, I "could" battle through the process but finding the Wikipedia mythical room is complicated.
 * If you are some of these editors, that belong to the mythical secret project Cabal that does not exist, you know who you are. I know, that you know, that you are wrong. "If" I were to get the time and will to "do battle", I would even try to expose these editors if only you were not so mythical. This would only be after enough editors (OMG would that also be a Cabal?) have had enough of something that is presented as not being actual, while in reality really is, yet is referred to as mythical because Wikipedia protocol is to deny it, and attempts to do something about it is complicated. There is not even a real Wikipedia protocol to attempt to deal with naming conventions of projects gone awry, that blatantly disregard Wikipedia even in article naming (as a group), to try to address this without a long term battle. If something is wrong it should not be so hard to correct without mythical editorial bloodshed.
 * See; Even trying to explain it is comical so there is really nothing short of confrontation that can resolve it. I may not be editing articles but I feel better. "IF" someone takes offense at any of this, or tries to make an issue of any, OR becomes tired of some of the same things and would like a change, let me know (tag it) or join in, as I can provide links to substantiate any of the above "mythical" information. If you are one of the "mythical" editors misnaming articles all over Wikipedia, and would like to report me, this would be a good reason to "do battle" to expose you. Since you are "mythical" I can not imagine how you could possibly be insulted. My mythical thanks, Otr500 (talk) 04:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue XCV, February 2014
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The Bugle: Issue XCVI, March 2014
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Request for comment
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The Bugle: Issue XCVII, April 2014
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A barnstar for you!

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The Bugle: Issue XCVIII, May 2014
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The Center Line: Spring 2014

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The Bugle: Issue XCIX, June 2014
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Proposed deletion of The Lacassane Company


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Redirect
Hello. I've undid your blanking of Magnolia Lane Plantation because you didn't give a valid reason in the edit summary. If you wish to delete the redirect, please nominate the redirect under one of the speedy deletion criterion or nominate the article at RfD. Also, you don't have to sign your edit summaries with four ~s. Thanks.  KJ  &#171;Click Here&#187; 07:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you as I did not intend to leave a blanked page but fell asleep while adding content to the article. I removed the redirect again but not in contest of your edit but in order to add content and correctly list the article. I did not know about not signing the edit summary as there is insufficient liking on this information and I just never saw it so thanks again. Otr500 (talk) 13:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of "List of Playboy Playmates of X"
Regarding your comments ending with : I really don't understand the details and extent of your concerns. I'm starting to put together the AfD. I wish you could explain yourself more clearly so I could determine what, if anything, should be added. --Ronz (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this reply and your intended direction. I started out with "I am not up to speed on this yet, nor the relevant discussions, and know there are a lot of affected links.", and that is exactly what I meant.
 * While you clarified your position concerning your opinion your total possible involvement was still not entirely clear until now. My reasoning on this is that if a person is the only one in a burning building and "only" shouting, "fire; put it out", then it is likely the building will burn down. In reality there has to be a beginning to get to an end and this has not happened. Your comment about putting together an AfD makes it apparent you have grabbed a fire extinguisher.
 * I got involved in a deep problem with Find-a-Grave being inappropriately added to every bio of a deceased person on Wikipedia as an external link and oftentimes used as the only source or reference. It seemed to me to be a horrible "battle" to right something that was so clear. A good thing that resulted, with all it's current flaws, was the External links/Perennial websites, and a consensus to stop the "project" from inundating every like article. There is still much to do but it seems it is far more easier to find bored editors to plunge into a project than to gather support to stop and reverse it.
 * I have been researching as many of those "List of Playboy Playmates of..." that I can. My initial thought is, aside from the fact that I do not mind there being actual Playboy "article" coverage on Wikipedia, is that:


 * 1)- the "lists" I ran into are not actually "lists" but articles classified as lists. Those that have argued for keep (and thus far successfully) have done so with ridiculous reasoning.
 * 2)- The "lists" are biographical in nature and any people covered by an article that are living --- are BLP's.
 * 3)- Using the "fact" that the articles are lists has allowed, as you pointed out concerning the Wikiproject proposal, "these articles were created to get around the decision". What I can find is that it "just worked" because it is not a real way around the policies and guidelines.
 * 4)- These "list's are not just of "people", as the titles suggest, but all are "playmates of the month" so the titles are misleading.
 * A list is still an article and subject to Wikipedia criteria for inclusion. An example of how these "lists" have survived is an AfD on List of people in Playboy 1990–99, found here. The two most notable are, "this is not an instance where Notability (people) applies since this is not a stand alone list but a list based on magazinecontent." The second; "In any case, the vast majority of names are blue links and therefore prima facie notable.". The first is most amusing because as I understand it there are lists within articles and "stand alone" (separate article titles) lists but apparently a third is a "list based on magazine content".
 * Avoiding harm covers two instances covering a biography "article". A)- "An article under the title of a person's name should substantially be a full and balanced biography of that person's public life. B)- "If the person is notable only in connection with a single event, and little or no other information is available to use in the writing of a balanced biography, that person should be covered in an article regarding the event, with the person's name as a redirect to the event article placing the information in context." This does not mean redirect to a "list".
 * Where do I stand: Articles that DO NOT conform to community acceptable policies and guidelines have two options (according to those same policies) and that is to be brought into conformity or be deleted. BLP's are held to a higher standard. Other criteria is WP:NRV, WP:N, WP:PAGEDECIDE, WP:WHYN, and WP:LISTN states "Notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists and tables.". When names of living people are involved it is clear "BLP applies to "all material about living persons anywhere on Wikipedia".
 * You are putting together an AfD so if you would like to let me know what you are including (one in particular or more than one) I will be glad to let you know the level of my support. So you will be clear on my concerns: I am open to solutions that help build a better encyclopedia and presently these articles do not do that. A major concern is that all the article titles that were created as redirects to lists only will have to be dealt with. My initial (possible cursory) thoughts are that "List of Playboy Playmates of the Month" would not be bad if all the inappropriate blue links, that did not correspond to an actual article (or actual event article; so no list redirects), were deleted. This seems complicated as each link is now considered an article (even though redirected) thus subject to certain deletion policies. Do you have an idea concerning these? Any names on the list (after improvements) with actual links to actual articles would be referenced as many are WP:NOTABLE as well as the Playboy playmate events. As I said, improvements are needed, and I will support a move in that direction as long as you are willing to be negotiable to a point. Otr500 (talk) 21:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. There's a lot here to digest... Yes, the cleanup of all the redirecting articles and direct links is going to be a chore. Gimme some time to review your comments further. --Ronz (talk) 23:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I was going to reply at Talk:List of Playboy Playmates of 2014 but will here:
 * I did a quick (accuracy not guaranteed but somewhere close) calculation. There are approximately 735 affected articles (related to the "lists") and I sampled 386. A 35% (average) of article titles (to Playmates) were linked to actual articles and 65% (average) were redirects to lists. This could mean there are approximately 477 articles that would be affected by a mass deletion.
 * An article can not just be blanked and once a redirect target article is deleted would not a speedy delete or AfD have to be initiated for each article title? The actual total would not change but the manageability would be eased on using selected AfD's. This is why I made mention of needing a place to start.
 * I would also like to ask your opinion. Many article names (playmates) that redirect will show a picture of another model. An example is years 2010-2012. If one hovers over the first link a picture of that model appears. The same picture appears on each link in that line for the three years. I assume Playboy pictures hold copyrights so is there some free use rationale that allows the use on Wikipedia? Is there no legal problem (WP:COPYVIO) with a picture being attributed to the wrong person? I have some information on several of these articles that I can post here for you to review and some of the info may help if you like. Whatever you decide just let me know. Otr500 (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I cannot find what you're referring to. Hover over which specific link where exactly? --Ronz (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It is located at the link ""An example is...". Maybe it is just my browser. I have Google Chrome. When I go to the link I posted and hover my mouse over any of the playmates a picture appears. If the article does not have a picture, and certainly if it is a redirect, the picture of another Playmate is shown. Anyway, if it does not do it for everyone I suppose it must not be a problem. Thanks, Otr500 (talk) 23:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm lost. We're talking years 2010-2012? All I see is a table by month and year of names. There is no "An example is..." of any sort that I see. Placing the mouse cursor above any of the names gives the name of the article that the link goes to eg "Jaime Faith Edmondson" gives Jaime Faith Edmondson, "Anna Sophia Berglund" gives List of Playboy Playmates of 2011. Maybe you have some special browser plug-in? --Ronz (talk) 15:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what I figure. I do have Power Zoom, an extension that allows me to view Wikipedia enlarged pictures when hovered over, but I did not know it would "create" pictures. On another note; Have you made any decision on a direction with the Playboy related article lists? Otr500 (talk) 16:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CI, August 2014
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Talk:Sabine Pass Light‎
In Talk:Sabine Pass Light‎ you have made a move request with an initial edit of 9,264 bytes (which can be seen as an addition to your contributions to last years request where you contributed over 16,000 bytes). Which means that you have contributed over 20,000 characters (at 80 characters a line that is about 250 lines), about 10 pages worth of A4, to the question of what is the best name for the article.

Given the above, I think you should consider if your most recent posting to the page, which at 4,007 bytes (about 8 times the size of the posting by Nyttend) was on reflection a wise course of action. Do you think that reply of about 2 pages of A4 was necessary or helpful (as a closing conscientious admin is expected to read it). Perhaps in future you will consider the advise in WP:TALK "Be concise", as very long answers tend to be counter-productive.

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 * Thank you for your advice. It probably won't matter but: You might have noticed that in the initial request, after I posted intent and waited 7 days to change the name (I screwed it up), I changed the name. I worked on an article that sat since 2006 and the name was changed back because a project chose another name. An RM was started, I had stated my case, another edited did a better job even with additional persuasive comments, and 6 opposes after that is when I began to wonder what in the world was going on. I still edited the article and made improvements and, it appeared to me, to show me who could and couldn't edit on Wikipedia, my edits were reverted and incorporated as a glorified stub. That was enough. I had edits revered (changed), was told there was a not a snowball chance the name would be changed, and so I waited over a year. I thought I would try again so I presented my case. The RM said not to be vague so I put a lot into trying to be persuasive the first time. My one reply (oppose) was like the last--- "If you disagree with the naming convention, try to get the convention changed.".
 * I know that "votes" are not suppose to be counted, just what evidence is presented, but in the real world it seems they are related. This time (day 7) is 1 with support and one against, = no consensus.
 * To tell you the truth I just figured, since nobody had taken interest in 6 days (now 7), I had listed the RM in several places in accordance to Wikipedia policy, and I was going to be working all day with the last RM was closed the way it was anyway, that there was not going to be any chance of it going through. The one case I saw where a name change was allowed it was noted this was an exception. I had resigned to continue not to work on lighthouse articles so just vented.
 * What I didn't know, and just found out, was that one "proof of name" that is accepted according to Naming conventions (geographic names) was the GNIS that lists Sabine Pass Lighthouse (historical) (1980 and 1983) here as a consistent past and present name. All I presented, and I didn't find this information. Go figure right?
 * Anyway I do not plan to edit lighthouse articles now, and maybe not in the future, so they (the lighthouse project) can name everything "light" if they want to. I "had" interest in all lighthouses but to have to battle so much for something so simple and clear on one article, it is just not worth it. Wikipedia can just have 20 year old stub "light" articles and I will just work on other NRHP, and history articles.
 * I do so appreciate your investment of time and advice. Otr500 (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Your reply which is double my initial suggestion, indicates to me that you do not "get" what I mean. You can make your point much more succinctly. Verbose off! See here, here and here -- PBS (talk) 20:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Ordinals in USAF articles
Since you have participated in past discussions on the use of ordinals in U.S. military articles, you may be interested in the move request I started at Talk:132d Fighter Wing. &mdash;innotata 04:34, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

On making military unit articles more consistent
Here's an expansion on my reply at Talk:132d Fighter Wing, with some stuff about what I'm working on. First, you've been able to describe why we should use what happen to be the common names, and how we follow or don't quite follow official usage quite well. I definitely agree with you that we can make improvements as we go. I also am not for making standardising moves on a blanket basis, so I'd support doing this with classes of articles or individual articles (hence my current move request for Fighter Wings only, all of which I checked). And ordinals aren't the only renames some need, I'm sure. Anyway, as SchreiberBike, who has done a lot of work on standardising style in the past, has expressed interest in working on ordinals in U.S. military units, I'll probably keep track of discussions on U.S. military units, but step out myself. Actually, I came across this matter while working on standardising and correcting articles on other countries' militaries, which I'm more interested in contributing to, since there's less about them on Wikipedia. I started this effort because I'd like to start expanding our coverage of units, formations, and personnel in countries like Afghanistan and Ukraine, which I hope will be useful for rather obvious reasons. I've learned about military organisation and how to write about military topics, corrected plenty of misinformation, expanded and created articles with the basics, and so on; I found out about the incredible story of Irene Morales while improving categorisation (and take a look at the article I wrote on her), as well as creating Sikkim Scouts, and (earlier) 2nd Dragoon Regiment (France). So that's exactly what I'm doing. Anyway, thank you for all your work on style but more importantly on content. &mdash;innotata 06:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope you can take a little time (or SchreiberBike) to insert content and some of the references you listed in the 132d Fighter Wing article.
 * The "vote" (if you will) is not in yet and does not have to go the way of logic. I have seen closures that use the rationale that references do point out the reasoning to allow a move. I "just" found out I have an early call to work in the morning and may--or may not-- get back early. If I do I will look at that article next. Thanks, Otr500 (talk) 04:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Copying from U.S. military sites
I thought I'd let you know it is allowed to copy or closely paraphrase text from U.S. military websites and publications, as long as you attribute it (see Template:Citation-attribution). U.S. federal government works have no copyright so the only issue is plagiarism. That said, it probably isn't the best idea in most circumstances, due to neutrality and the different style of writing, etc. So, you can choose to add attribution, or remove the text where you see it. I leave it to your judgment, just letting you know this choice exists. &mdash;innotata 02:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes--and attribution should be clear. Copy/paste is actually direct plagiarism (word-for-word) in the absence of copyvio or attribution and not good editing. To swap mid-sentence from normal practices of editing to copying or copy/pasting text just should not be done. An editor (my beliefs) should not "mix it up" within a sentence, as this allows a lot of latitude to creep in OR. Reality is that all content on Wikipedia is a form of plagiarism as it is OR if not referenced somewhere. The difference is to use content not "directly" copied word-for-word from a source to blatantly show direct plagiarism.
 * Using This article incorporates public domain material from websites or documents of the Air Force Historical Research Agency, in the reference section is not a blanket authorization to copy/paste right?. The template you referenced can be placed at the end of a sentence, lacking any other "source specific template", to show "sentences or a paragraph that incorporates text from a source that is not under copyright". It can, and I think should be, placed within ref tags.
 * I do have a method to my madness. Content on many of these article were added to by an editor that has been banned and some not active, thus comments on the talk page will go unanswered. I do not have time to stop, investigate these things to determine this, correct every instance, then take the next step of contacting the editor, so I hid the content, in lieu of sending it to the talk page, so I can look at it later. I hope I clarified my actions and I do appreciate your comments. Otr500 (talk) 04:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You can either have attribution at the end of an article incorporating some copied text, or after each sentence that has some elements copied. Personally I prefer the second, but giving attribution once is more popular and some people prefer that; it's customary for the USAF HRA and such sources we've copied from a lot before. I totally agree, I just wanted to point out that it would work to keep some of the copied text if you decide to. &mdash;innotata 04:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Otr500 (talk) 04:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * IF that works without being contested thus far I can use the time to look at other areas and come back to any "direct" copying as I do not like it even if it is easier. Night-- Otr500 (talk) 04:32, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi! I see you've made a change in a large number of articles to the number of Italian goat breeds of limited distribution for which the Associazione Nazionale della Pastorizia maintains a registro anagrafico, or non-genealogical herd book. Unfortunately you seem to have miscounted them. There are forty-three, as can be clearly seen in this document, which lists them along with the eight national breeds for which it maintains a stricter genealogical herdbook. Would you be kind enough to fix those articles? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, Thanks for the message. I will not make any more changes until a determination can be reached. I will list my reasoning and we can go from there. The reference I was going by, and the one you referenced, Associazione Nazionale della Pastorizia, states: It maintains genealogical herdbooks for seventeen principal indigenous breeds of sheep and eight goat breeds, and also maintains less stringent herdbooks for forty-two autochthonous sheep breeds and thirty-three goat breeds of limited distribution.. There is a goat count in a reference that is in conflict with a direct link that states thirty-three, there may be a reason why the total number wasn't used. I went by the information on a link, that appears to be the authority that maintains the registry, and the provided inline link in the article. What is plainly stated without adding anything up is the number thirty-three. In other words the count is plainly stated. There is a list and the count does add up to forty-three. Questions would be:


 * 1) Why does the Wikipedia article, that makes it appear to be of authority, use thirty-three when there are plainly a count of forty-three breeds listed?
 * 2) Is minor breeds not counted or is there some breeds that are extinct?
 * 3) Is the information in that link that is on the article and now that you and I have referenced again (the authority on the subject) wrong?
 * 4) Is the information on that link from them or has some editor corrupted Wikipedia with false information?
 * I will look at this, and I hope you will also, but unless you are stating the authority that is listed as an in-line link is flawed, or they can't count, we need to come to a conclusion before we make any changes or revert what is stated so very much plainly in the registry authority.
 * I am going down the list and as you can see I am adding alternate names, any synonyms I can find, other common names, moving names up to the beginning of the lead, and looking for other references. Maybe we can determine why the count of the breeds listed does not agree with the number as stated in the registry authority.
 * NOTE: Some of the names listed in the link you provided might (possibly) be duplicates or alternate names. My rationale for this would be the breed Valgerola listed in the reference. According to the article Orobica (one of the eight) they are the same. If that is true then the bottle of beers on the wall has just dropped to 42.
 * IF** what is stated at that link is wrong then that MUST be corrected as it is very VERY misleading and is very much splattered on pretty much EVERY single article about Italian goats. We need another link (or more) to clarify this. I am sure you will agree about this? I trust you will look into this and help me straighten it out. Otr500 (talk) 08:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe we need to bring this discussion to a central location such as talk:Associazione Nazionale della Pastorizia so a solution can be reached? Otr500 (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for picking it up on GA, take your time and Merry Christmas :) Mattsnow81   (Talk)  00:51, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. are you and/or any other editor(s) going to be available for any discussion or do you just want a decision and deal with it then? Otr500 (talk) 10:31, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll be available for discussion :) I think and User:7&6=thirteen will be interested as well. Where will the discussion take place? (I'm new to GA)  Mattsnow81   (Talk)  17:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * I read your critique so far, very good thanks, I'll bring the changes necessary in a few days, I'm pretty busy at the moment :) Mattsnow81   (Talk)  03:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand and there is Christmas around the corner. Otr500 (talk) 03:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being so slow! I'm moving at snail pace, I have a hectic schedule right now. I should be more available after 1st January. Mattsnow81   (Talk)  05:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll be taking a wikibreak, I think you'd better make a decision whether it is a good article or not, as nobody else is stepping in to help. Happy New Year :) Mattsnow81   (Talk)  07:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hello everyone! I was just working on responding to a couple bug reports for a script that I worked up as part of a request from this project, and I noticed that only a couple people (who weren't even on this mailing list) are actually using the script. A little history on the script: In March of 2014, came to my user talk page and said he needed some help in acquiring a script for a backlog drive that he was working on that could keep track of and score deOrphanings for a scored backlog drive. I took that request to the project's talk page (BackLog Drive "DO" (De-Orphaning) script proposal) and there was near unanimous support for this. I thought about the proposal and decided the best way to do it was to build a new script (which is still no where near as comprehensive as 's OrphanTabs) and build into it a mechanism that will make BLD scoring easy.

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 * Thanks for the info. This reply is to give you some un-technical information. I have been editing a while and it appears there are two specific types of editors; computer literate and those in my class then there are those new to the project. When I research a topic I think that links to other articles are fundamental to being afforded the best possible experience in assisting that research and to me a problem with orphan articles is it produces a stumbling block. I did not know about the script and don't really know how to use them. This does not mean I will not try to learn to use something that is helpful. You stated that only two were using it and I see in a reply that it was being inquired about. Debugging (I hate bugs) and testing sounds good but not many will use it if it can not be found.


 * Recognition is a good thing (as seen above) and my first and thus far only Barnstar is for de-orphaning articles. I think you deserve one for your efforts in trying to improve the Wikipedia experience for editors. From the comment I saw you "may" have a third user so I would also suggest debugging but also "continue to develop" as BLD scoring seems a good idea.


 * Can these "scripts" not be placed somewhere on the project page in a "Scripts" section so editors can find them? Otr500 (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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