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Getting an article started, writing the intro -- some thoughts on how to do it
Hey, @CoreyBBaker, seeing if this works to ping you.

We were discussing getting a start on a page, even if you know you might have to leave it as a stub, or (alternately) how to write an intro paragraph.

1. Your first job is to prove that the topic of your page is notable. Really, the first sentence is the heavy-hitter on this task. 2. Imagine this is a fleshed out, high quality article. What do you think the section headings would be? You don't need to cover all of them, but think about important sections, such as audience, history, and geographic coverage (maybe?) in the topic we were discussing. 3. Figure out the big idea for each of those topics.

I think that would probably do justice as a starting article/intro paragraph. But excited to see what you come up with!

Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 00:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * , Thank you for the warm welcome!
 * I would not hate feedback on what I have done so far, so I can do better in the future, should you have some time.
 * So far, I wrote Herschelle Sullivan Challenor from scratch, and have put in some significant work on Toni Stone and Xiaolan Bao. I struggle when (like with Ms. Bao) there is simply not a lot to be found, regardless of how I dig.
 * Anyway, thanks for the welcome! Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So far, I wrote Herschelle Sullivan Challenor from scratch, and have put in some significant work on Toni Stone and Xiaolan Bao. I struggle when (like with Ms. Bao) there is simply not a lot to be found, regardless of how I dig.
 * Anyway, thanks for the welcome! Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyway, thanks for the welcome! Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I see you've made a pretty good start on Herschelle Sullivan Challenor. I've added the template "authority control" (always useful for biographies as it automatically turns up useful links once they have been created) and added a couple of categories. Although you have listed a timeline of the main developments in her career, you have presented this as a list. It would be far better to present it as running text, as in Toni Stone for example. Lists are acceptable for publications and in some cases for awards but sections on how a person's life has developed should be in normal prose. Have a go at adapting it yourself and let me know when you want me to take a new look.--Ipigott (talk) 10:58, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you for this excellent feedback. It is not terribly graceful, but now Dr. Callenor's career is in a narrative form. Next, I need to look back and figure out how I skipped so many footnotes, so more will be forthcoming. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It's much better now but you should make sure there's at least one ref for each paragraph. In general, paragraphs should have three or more sentences. If you do this in the career section, you can simply include one ref at the end of each paragraph. Keep up the good work.--Ipigott (talk) 07:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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Women's Nationality
As a caveat, I have limited on-line ability right now. My sister broke her hip over the weekend and I have been tending her, but I will respond...it just may be several days before I do. I am in need of this and this. The first one I have not really tried to find from a library yet. I did find a copy for sale, but the price is crazy and mail service to Mexico is terrible. The second, I have written to the Library of Congress (their copy is in a facility that is closed due to Covid), the University of Houston (cannot find it in their shelves), the University of Texas (can only provide copies to students or staff), and Tulane (haven't heard back from). I cannot find any copy for sale and Google says they cannot sell me a limited license. No worries if you cannot find them, but on the off chance that you might, I thought I'd ask. SusunW (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , My mind is pretty blown by what you are doing, and I would love to make this one of my projects. I might be able to find others who can help, as well, btw. I'll start asking around. And looking for the docs.
 * I am terribly sorry to hear about your sister. I hope that both you and she remain healthy, safe, and on the mend! Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've ignored the topic for years, but it is a huge obstacle on WP. People constantly want to categorize women by their nationality and I have to keep explaining they didn't have any. Most people do not understand the reason women had no civil or political rights was quite simply because they had no nationality, thus no jurisdiction to appeal to to demand their rights be protected. I finally decided to bite the bullet and try to work on it. It's daunting, as most sources that cover nationality don't cover the issue and researching every country is overwhelming. But, I am pretty tenacious when it comes to research and just never give up. Having helpers would be awesome and I would be most grateful. SusunW (talk) 23:24, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , They are at some libraries near to me, but they will all be closed due to COVID. Some may also be available to check out as ebooks. Do you happen to know what you need or what you are looking for, precisely? Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 05:04, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for circling back to this OBO. To be absolutely honest, I don't know. Lots of books on constitutional history do not address the issue of nationality at all, and certainly not women's loss of nationality. On the Guyana book, since they used the Concept Plan of Redress from 1787 to 1928, it'd be helpful to know what it said about who was considered to be Guyanese. All I have been able to glean from other sources is that the plan was Dutch but the British kept it in place with modifications. Our article on the Constitution of Guyana, has absolutely no data on whether any constitution laid out rules for nationality, merely the political structure the constitution established. So pretty much anything that any constitution said about nationality?
 * The other book by Vetancourt I know not only discusses nationality, but addresses the issue of women losing their nationality. I don't really know what he says about all of the countries, but for example, he specifically stated that while Ecuador's laws did not state specifics about married women losing their nationality, custom and implication denationalized married women. The chapter on Ecuador was reprinted in a Venezuelan journal, which is what made me realize the importance of the book for my purposes. I think it will be necessary to review his summary on each country. I heard back from Texas A & M today and was advised they have "removed this book from our collection". Honestly, I would buy a copy if I could find one, but so far, every library I have contacted does not have it even though world cat says they do. I even heard back from Google and they confirmed that they cannot sell me a single license for it due to copyright concerns. It's frustrating to say the least. SusunW (talk) 06:27, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Sounds good -- I will see what I can do on this end. We shall see.... Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 20:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh! question--If I have info on Papua New Guinea, do you have a model article that I can look at to see how you would like it covered? Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 20:56, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. You can look at any of the sections I've written for South America. If there is a "Fooian nationality law" article, I think all the stuff for each country will just be able to move into a heading "History". I haven't posted anything in the law articles yet, as I realized that they were all borrowing codes from each other so it would be easier to do the whole group and make sure it is all covered. Basically we need to know when did married women lose nationality, when did they no longer lose it, if and when women could pass on their nationality to children, etc. It's a work in progress, so I'm open to suggestions. SusunW (talk) 23:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, and this might help with PNG. SusunW (talk) 13:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I know it's kind of hard to understand the concept, as it is still developing, but, today I moved Argentina and summarized the data in the chart. Perhaps that makes it easier to visualize? SusunW (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Slowly wrapping my mind around this concept! Question: a friend of mine at a large research institution was able to look through _A Constitutional History of British Guiana_ and found essentially three passages that could be helpful (cannot arrange a loan of the book, sadly). She sent me images of about a paragraph per passage. I would say they are a small enough portion of the work to be fair use to share with you, but I am not sure the best way to get you the three images? Can you please give me a sense of the best way to get the info to you? Sadly, she does not speak Spanish, with regard to the other book.
 * Clementi, Cecil. A Constitutional History of British Guiana. London, England: Macmillan and Co, Limited, 1937. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Clementi, Cecil. A Constitutional History of British Guiana. London, England: Macmillan and Co, Limited, 1937. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Clementi, Cecil. A Constitutional History of British Guiana. London, England: Macmillan and Co, Limited, 1937. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Oooh, that's fabulous. Thank you so much! On my page, you can e-mail me. Just look at the left hand task bar for "Email this user". I contacted a professor in Utah who has contacts in Venezuela and is looking for the Vetancourt book there. May not find it, but it's worth a shot. SusunW (talk) 05:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hmm, seems the email does not allow images, so I'll type up the text for you. Stay tuned, it may take a few days for me to find the time.
 * Best Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 06:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, that. Easiest to send me an e-mail. I'll answer and then you can just attach them as photos, PDFs, etc. But, if you want to take the time to type them out ... ;-) SusunW (talk) 06:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thank you Daniel Case (talk. Yes, I had us exempted from this block a few years ago via Simple English Wikipedia. Thanks for pointing me to the right path, it is easier to understand on that property. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 20:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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 * thank you, I will keep that in mind! Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 21:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * "On December 14, 2012 their dream was realized with the formal launch of the Indigenous Business Council"
 * "Haoda Todd recalls that she had to figure out many of the ins and outs of running a business as she got started. Many times she wanted to give up."
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 * - thanks, I was not sure. I have a question, however: In the course of checking what was on Wikipedia about each of the two Angela Jacksons in question, I discovered there is another Angela Jackson who was referredto on a number of pages, so I am drafting a page for her, as well (she is a women's basketball coach, although -- in the course of researching her -- I came across a *fourth* Angela Jackson and am considering putting a page together for her, as well (another basketball coach, but of men's teams).
 * So, if there are about to be 3-4 Angela Jacksons with pages, I am wondering if I should keep the disambiguation page? Or are the hatnotes that I made enough and should I just add more at the top of each page?
 * I will admit that part of my thinking is that Angela Jackson is a very common name, and I suspect that there are actually quite a number of notable individuals by the name out there.
 * So, I might have jumped the gun on making the disambiguation page...but not sure if it might not be necessary fairly soon?
 * Thank you Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 04:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, with 3-4 entries listed then a disambiguation page becomes useful. The commonness of the name does not matter, only the number of people actually listed on the disambiguation page. And there's no need to try to predict the future by trying to keep the disambiguation page before adding more entries. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:01, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll post the page I was drafting today and add the third individual to the disambiguation page. It is already significantly longer than Women in Red's recommended starter page. Then, as I understand it, I should change the hatnote to a disambiguation link. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 05:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:10, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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Running from June 1 to 30, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Going Back in Time! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 20 centuries by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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