User talk:Ovedc/Archive 1

February 2019
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Yunshui 雲 水 13:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

- would you object to an unblock? PhilKnight (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * See my talkpage. Sysops who decide they'd rather use their position on Wikipedia to make money leave a bad taste in my mouth, but if you wish to lift the block, I won't object. I would point out that discussions with Icewhiz seem to indicate that, on he-wiki at least, these two accounts are claiming to be separate individuals in direct opposition to the claims made above that there is only one individual at the keyboard (Icewhiz, please feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood; I don't have any presence on he-wiki so I don't know what's gone down there); you may or may not want to get to the bottom of that discrepancy before unblocking. Up to you. Yunshui 雲 水 15:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi! As I said, I am the person holding both users-names here and in He-Wiki, with full disclosed of that in He-Wiki, and it is allowed in the He-wiki. This is why I was mistakenly did it also here, not knowing it is not allowed. I was not making this in intention to do any harm.Ovedc (talk) 15:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for causing the misunderstanding - I thought they were separate on hewiki - but I was mistaken (purely a slip of my mind) - ויקימנטור is declared on hewiki as an alternate account of Ovedc (see hewiki user page) used for paid editing. I do know that Ovedc is in good standing on hewiki - he was a long time sysop, and resigned the bit when he started paid editing, and is still a valued member of the community there. On enwiki ויקימנטור did disclose he was doing paid editing - but they should've disclosed better.Icewhiz (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

COI, PAID, and TRANSLATE
Hi Ovedc. Now that you've apparently got the multiple accounts thing sorted out, you probably should take a look at WP:PSCOI, WP:PAID and WP:TRANSLATE. Alternative accounts are allowed as explained in WP:MULTIPLE, but you need to be upfront about them, especially when your using one account to create drafts in your sandbox and another account to then move the draft to the article namespace. If you're making paid contributions with one account, then you're going to also be seen as making paid contributions if you use a different account to edit the same subject matter or move from a draft created by one of the accounts to an the article namespace. So, you should follow WP:COI for this account as well with respect to Amnon Pazy. Paid editing and COI editing aren't expressly prohibited by Wikipedia, but they need to be done in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines. Neither you nor anyone else connected to Pazy has any claim of ownership over the content in the Wik i pedia article about him, and anyone who has a COI with respect to him should follow WP:COIADVICE and WP:PSCOI. This means that anything other than a WP:MINOR edit to the article should be proposed on the article's talk page as explained in WP:ER. COI editors and PAID editors are given a bit of leeway when it comes to working on drafts and will generally be left alone unless someone feels there's a serious issue which needs quick action; once the draft, however, becomes an article, COI and PAID editors are pretty much expected to not directly edit it at all.

Translating articles from a non-English Wikipedia onto English Wikipedia is allowed, but you need to be aware that proper attribution of the source article is required; otherwise, the translated content can be seen as a WP:COPYVIO and the translated content might be removed or the article deleted altogether. An easy way to provide this attribution is to add Template:Translated page to article's talk page. You can find out more about this in WP:TFOLWP.

Not all Wikipedia policies and guidelines are the same for each different language Wikipedia, and overall the ones for English Wikipedia tend to be stricter and more rigorously applied than perhaps is the case for other Wikipedias such as Hebrew Wikipedia. So, just because there's an article on Hebrew Wikipedia, that doesn't automatically mean there should be a corresponding article on English Wikipedia. You ' r e going to still need to establish that the subject satisfies WP:N or at least one of the various genre specific notability guidelines. The same goes for any sources cited in the article. You may use non-English sources per WP:NONENGLISH, but these are going to have to be ones that meet WP:RS. You seem to have cited lots of documents that you've uploaded to Commons. As pointed out by at User talk:ויקימנטור, this isn't really a good thing ; so, it would be better to simply cite the source itself as explained in WP:CITEHOW. Reliable sources only need to be WP:PUBLISHED and able to be accessed if necessary; they don't need to be online. You can cite a source you've read but which is not available online as explained in WP:SAYWHERE as long as it's considered to be a reliable source. You also need to be careful using primary sources such as letters and published documents and should try to find and cite secondary sources whenever possible.

Finally, if you're going to create any more articles per PAID, you should really submit the drafts for review via WP:AFC and not move them to the article namespace yourself. You should also do so in the draft namespace and not your userspace. This will allow an AfC reviewer unconnected to the subject to assess the draft. If the draft is approved, the AfC will move it to the mainspace and handle all of the related clean up; if the draft is declined, the AfC reviewer will make suggestions on what to do next. Having a draft declined is not uncommon and there is no limit on how many times a draft can be submitted for review as long as you just don't keep submitting the same declined version over and over again.

If you have any specific questions about any of the above, you can ask them below, at one of the various Wikipedia noticeboards or maybe even on a the talk page of a relevant WikiProject. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2019 (UTC); [Note: Post copyedited by Marchjuly to correct some silly mistakes; additions are underlined and removals are stricken out. -- 12:57, 5 February 2019 (UTC)]


 * Thank you, Marchjuly! WOW - I now have a lot of homework... I will start in the order you wrote! I appreciate your help! Many thanks for your patience and time! Ovedc (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ovedc - I dropped a line on ויקימנטור just prior to it being blocked (and then sent an e-mail to the blocking admin stating I believed you were trying to act in good faith) - if you have questions I am willing to answer to the best of my limited ability (here or on the Hebrew Wiki if you prefer Hebrew). Icewhiz (talk) 08:12, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

I was unblock on 4 February 2019 - see above
I see there is clear reason to believe you are related to that account. As such, it was probably inappropriate for me to lift the autoblock here. Note that blocks apply to people, not just individual accounts. Assuming Icewhiz is correct and ויקימנטור is indeed your account, you are not permitted to edit while that account remains blocked. --Yamla (talk) 11:06, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Uggh, and now I'm going to follow up on THAT statement. Give me a moment, haven't had enough coffee yet. --Yamla (talk) 11:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Right. That other account was blocked as a sockpuppet of this account. But I believe you've abandoned that account and will only be editing under this account. As such, it was fine for me to lift the autoblock, but please don't log in to ויקימנטור any more. You are welcome to continue editing here, provided you don't create any more sockpuppet accounts and provided you adhere to WP:COI, WP:PAID, and WP:PROMO. And if I'm still deeply confused, I'll go drink a second cup of coffee and hope someone else corrects me. --Yamla (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, Yamla! Sorry for the inconvenient! You are right: this user will be my only user, I was blocked at the other, which I was maintained by mistake. Thanks! Ovedc (talk) 11:29, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Why am I still autoblocked? - Please see above

 * Perhaps you are logged into hewiki with ויקימנטור? The login is unified for all Wiki projects. Icewhiz (talk) 12:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, Icewhiz, many thanks! I am using two different browsers, In this browser I am loged in as Ovedc, and still cant edit... Ovedc (talk) 12:18, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I suspect the autoblock may be based on the unified login - the login process is not enwiki specific. If you want to continue using ויקימנטור on hewiki (and elsewhere) - you might want to try and get the sockpuppet block off it here. I believe you were trying to act in good faith on enwiki - you only edited article space with ויקימנטור - and you did declare COI (though not down to the letter of the policy). Icewhiz (talk) 12:24, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Icewhiz, You are absolutely right, so how can I ask to get the sockpuppet block off here (I logged out from ויקימנטור and cleared my catch but still cant edit)? Ovedc (talk) 12:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You need to appeal its block - and say you will declare it properly as an alt account on enwiki. If what I think about sock range block is correct (and I may be wrong) - given your activity with both accounts (one for paid, one for unpaid, right?) on other Wikimedia projects (namely hewiki) - having ויקימנטור blocked as a sock on enwiki seems to be a rater big technical pain. Merely offering my 2cents, I have no say here. Icewhiz (talk) 12:51, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2019
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Noam Shalev, from its old location at User:Ovedc/sandbox1. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. -Liancetalk/contribs 19:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

April 2019
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Booky (Baruch) Oren, from its old location at User:Ovedc/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  17:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Meir Jakobsohn (June 15)
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July 2019
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Moshe Goldberg, from its old location at User:Ovedc/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Hapak blue-01.png
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Draft:Noam Shalev concern
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Draft:Meir Jakobsohn concern
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Your submission at Articles for creation: TASC Consulting & Capital (December 2)
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Your draft article, Draft:Meir Jakobsohn


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