User talk:P.K.Niyogi/Archive 6

Message from a Brahmo
Dear Mr. P. K. Niyogi, If you are a Brahmo, will you be interested to join our e-mail discussion group brahmoconference@yahoogroups.com ? visit website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brahmoconference. My vision: 1) To collect and publish information about who-is-who in Brahmo religion 2) To collect all good materials about Brahmoism. 3) To connect all Brahmos in the world and hence revive this religion. Regards, - Debanjan Ray (e-mail: debanjan.ray@siemens.com and debanjanray2003@yahoo.co.in )

Template:Non-extant Bengal places
This statement - "...that have been merged "? - is a bit unclear. Is it possible to make it more clear? I have also left a similar message on Template talk:Non-extant Bengal places. Happy News Year. Aditya (talk • contribs) 18:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And, oh! I forgot to congratulate you for the amazing contribution to the Wikitravel article. Cheers. Aditya (talk • contribs) 18:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No better idea from this end. But, the current header at least imparts the meaning nice and fine. BTW, if you are not too busy, would you care to take a look at the article Sitakunda Upazila, and leave comments at Peer review/Sitakunda Upazila/archive1? Already Amartya has given it a very nice peer review, but it deals mostly in information. The current problem is the copy (so dire is the problem that it was put out of WP:GAN without a review). But, the article, I guess, has a lot of promise (to become an FA someday). I'll try to meet any suggestion you make. Promise. Aditya (talk • contribs) 14:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's Collaborate on Sunderbans and Cox's Bazar
Hello! Please note Sunderbans and Cox's Bazar have been selected as the current WikiProject Bangladesh collaboration topics. As you may be aware that these two are currently candidates for natural wonders of the world, it is extremely important to ensure that the Wikipedia articles on these topics make a clear and complete reflection of these topics. Any contribution that you can make to these topics is very welcome.  Arman  ( Talk ) 03:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Million-plus Template for Cities
Hello PKN, I noticed that you have removed the template from several city articles. I would like to know the reasoning for it. User:Nikkul has undone your edit in Mumbai article, and I remember such a conflict had happened sometime back too. Hereby I am starting a discussion (unless it has happened somewhere else, already) where this can be sorted out. Thanks - KNM Talk 03:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Have invited Nikkul to participate in this discussion. - KNM Talk 03:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no consensus to remove the million city template removed. its a great template which shows the tier 1 and tier 2 citiesin india.it is very helpful to readers and for me too because i know which cities the most ppl live in. Please discuss before removing. Nikkul (talk) 03:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I had developed the Template:Million-plus cities in India based on data of Census Commission of India on the web. Now Census Commission has removed that data. Many editors are editing the template without any reference data, and I am rather helpless in preventing it. Therefore, I felt that without proper reference the template is somewaht redundant. As such I removed some of the templates. If some one wants to maintain it, I don't have any objection. - P.K.Niyogi (talk) 03:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification PKN. So as I understand, the lack of proper reference is the cause for this problem. Looking at the conversation below from User:Jadia gaurang, it seems he is interested in joining hands with you in maintaining the template. We will need to identify proper reliable sources that can be used.
 * Also, I believe, further discussion can be continued at the template talk page, so all the involved editors can contribute to the discussion and we can come to a consensus. Thanks - KNM Talk 18:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Million plus cities template removed
Why did you remove Million plus cities template from Rajkot Article? Can you give me justification for you this act? Hope you have done with some intention! Send me back your answer! If you can not reply with genuine answer then I have to reverse your action! Reference URL Gaurang | Talk 06:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Rajkot City, which comes under Rajkot Municipal Corporation has million plus population. If you want to check then browse Census of India and search in Population Finder with word Rajkot. You can get population of Rajkot city and urban agglomerate with one million plus as per census 2001. I appreciate you work with this template and willing to work with you to maintain information with reference. Gaurang | Talk 06:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I can understand that you don't have reference and users are tremendously editing information but I am ready to work with you to maintain census data of million plus cities. Gaurang | Talk 07:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Kakdwip
I have some online references on tebhaga, I go through them later today, but I don't think I have encountered anuything specific to Kakdwip. I'll get back to you later. --Soman (talk) 10:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Help disambiguation
Hello, I want your help to solve one title clash. There is one Page Aji River, which is at Iran. I want to create one article on same title. What should i do to create disambiguation page? Gaurang | Talk 11:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have created article on Aji River, Gujarat and uploaded image of basin also. Suggest me that How to improve new article on river! I also need help to learn how to upload image with proper copy rights tags. Gaurang | Talk 10:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Current events
Yes, very busy at this moment. I saw the deltion proposal, but cannot comment now. Will try to be somewhat regular. Returning to Kolkata on 19th January. Will meet you definitely :) --Dwaipayan (talk) 02:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Apostles
Yes, that will be a good project to complete the Householder Disciples section of Apostles of Ramakrishna. Of course, the householder disciples are usually not referred to as “Apostles”; that generally is reserved for the monastic disciples. Unfortunately, I am too busy at present to do much; time may free up in two or three months for more editing. My first priority is to go through the rest of the Ramakrishna page with copyediting, striving to make it a bit more NPOV, and perhaps adding some references. Thanks. Devadaru (talk) 05:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Tour?
So, did you have a tour of Kerala, too?--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Tipu Sultan Mosque
Do you remember if there is one more Tipu Sultan Mosque (besides the Dharmatala one) in Calcutta? The mosque located at the intersection of Prince Anwar Shah Road and the road running from Kalighat towards Tollygunj (probably the name is SP Mukherjee road, I may be wrong) — is not that also a Tipu Sultan mosque? Do you have any idea?--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I went to USA, and stayed mainly in New York city.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I will be in Kolkata at least till mid-June, probably more. I will visit you some time soon. --Dwaipayan (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ondal
I saw you have been editing the Ondal page. However I think the spelling is not Ondal but Andal. All government records show Andal instead of Ondal. So I am thinking of moving the page to Andal. Please join me in the discussion page. Crackjack (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

2008 bird flu outbreak in West Bengal
I have created the above article, due to time constraints i cannot expand it a lot. I think you can help in expanding the article. It can be shown in the news section of Main Page after expanding. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  03:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

List of most populous metropolitan areas in India
Hello, PK Niyogi I have edited List of most populous metropolitan areas in India as per World Gazetteer: India - Metropolitan areas 2008 calculation on January 4, 2008. There are many edit after my edit, which seems with out references and amateur to me. Help me to improve article. What should I do to keep it accurate? Gaurang | Talk 10:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, If I want to revert article as on January 4, 2008, which i have edited then what should I need to do? Gaurang | Talk 07:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Mattancherry palace
Hello! Great work with the article! :)--thunderboltz(TALK) 11:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. It would be nice if you could write a better caption for the mural pic, like maybe a more specific description of the image. I'm not too familiar with Hindu mythology to do that myself.--thunderboltz(TALK) 19:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Join Brahmo Discussion Group
Dear Mr. P. K. Niyogi, I am Debanjan Ray from Bangalore. Pl. join brahmoconference@yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brahmoconference This is worldwide Brahmo network. Please send mail to debanjan.ray@yahoo.co.in and debanjanray2003@yahoo.co.in

- Debanjan Ray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Debanjanray2003 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Padma Awards
Hello, I want to upload image of Padma Awards on wikipedia. Images are available here. I thought that If we have image on wikipedia then it can be used to place on Infobox of revolution biography beside name of awardees! Can you help me to guide me on this! Gaurang | Talk 07:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Help to Improve aritcle
Hello PK Niyogi, You have help me in many ways. I like your view on Rajkot Article. I have contribute a lot to improve article. Still has to improve its quality and integrity. What should be kept and what should be removed? Help me! Gaurang | Talk 17:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Poverty in India Image
There is a discussion going on regarding whether or not the following image should be a part of the Poverty in India page. Most Poverty in *Country* pages do not have any images, at most 1. User:Otolemur crassicaudatus has brought many images showing extreme poverty in India and has tried to mislead people into thinking this is the way a majority of poor Indians live. There is a vote in which your input would be appreciated. You can find this discussion here

I feel that the the Bodhgaya Beggar image does not represent poverty in India correctly because:
 * The beggar in Bodhgaya image does not accurately depict poor people in India because they do not look like this. This man is an exception. To say that this man represents all poor people in India is very wrong. A small minority of Indias poor are disabled. Most living under the poverty line work long hours fishing, farming or as construction workers. This picture shows a man whose legs have been broken. Unless a majority of India's or even a fraction of the poor have legs like this, the image is irrelevant and undue to the poverty in india page.
 * Poverty and Disability are not connected in any way. There are thousands of super rich people who are disabled.
 * There are 11 country articles on poverty
 * These have NO images: Poverty in Pakistan, Poverty in Africa, Poverty in China, Poverty in Australia, Poverty in Canada, Poverty in Malaysia, Poverty in Switzerland, Social issues in Brazil,
 * These have 1 image Poverty in the United States, Poverty in France
 * The Poverty in India page is the only one with more than 1 image. And the only reason for this is because User:Otolemur crassicaudatus has brought more and more images onto the page.


 * This user is being uncivil and unyielding. This user has tried to have my user page deleted because it said America is priceless!
 * This image is being used by User:Otolemur crassicaudatus to display his dislike of India and to mislead people into thinking that this is the plight of millions of poor Indians. This user has often added images showing extreme poverty to many India relating articles. Even though this user knows that poverty is present in every country and that extreme poverty is not a fair representation of the Indian economy, this user has previously tried to add an image of children washing their clothes in a mud puddle to the economy section of the India page. This user has added this image to the poverty section of the Economy of India page, when a graph showing poverty would make more sense.
 * WP:Undue says:
 * We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held by a small minority deserved as much attention as a majority view. Views that are held by a tiny minority should not be represented except in articles devoted to those views. To give undue weight to a significant-minority view, or to include a tiny-minority view, might be misleading as to the shape of the dispute.

This can be applied to this because a very tiny fraction of poor people in India are disabled. Most work very hard trying to make a living for themselves. This image is misleading. Nikkul (talk) 03:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

P.K.Niyogi, in your talk page this user has made wild accusations on me. I will request you please read the relevant sections on Talk:Poverty in India to give you an inside in this user and to understand who is incivil. You please read the texts like these, ,. The Bodggaya beggar image is more appropriate than others because: There is no "typical" definition of poverty, or beggar. There are abled beggar, disabled beggar. The purpose of the article is depicting poverty. The other beggar images which this user want to place deleting the Bodhgaya beggar image are not good quality, one is B&W, and the other depicting a beggar girl in Ladakh. But my objection here is that Ladakh is quite different from rest of the country because of its geographics. Majority Indians live in plain. And this Bodhgaya beggar image is showing poverty at its most extreme level. It is not right to conceal the situation of poor men like this, it is the truth, the reality. This image touches the heart of the reader, which is a real situation. Yes not all beggars are disabled, but is this an argument? On the other hand it also can be said that not all beggars are abled. Our job here is not to understand who is abled, or who is not. But to find a good image which is representative of many.
 * You may know, many beggars live a condition like this, many of them have various disabilities.
 * This user is repeatating his arguments and has taken a densive position by his ad hominem attack on me. Any one do not agree with him, here I am trying to depict poverty, and he is labelling me as Indophobic. There are other editors who honoured me for my contributions. The only reason given against this image that "since all beggars have not messed up legs, this image is undue". But it is an anti-individualistic argument. So what if not all beggars do not have messed up legs? The fact is that such secenes is a reality and it would not be right to conceal it. Such scenes exists, it is the truth. If it is reality, if such scenes exits, then an article depicting poverty i.e. "the condition of lacking full economic access to fundamental human needs such as food, shelter and safe drinking water", only those images should remain which clearly illustrate this fact.
 * Please remember the article is not about India, but the article is about poverty. This article is not depicting India, depicting poverty in India. So such image is not deriding India, it is illustrating the poverty in India. This image, I think, will be very appropriate. This user has informed many partisan editors, like User:Bakasuprman about the image. I will also request you check this user's contributions. I have told you why I am supporting the includsion of this image. Regards. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

P.K.Niyogi, I will also like to tell you that this user is continuously making wild accusations on me in multiple talk pages. This user was proved to be problematic previously. User Fowler found it problematic to deal with this user. His only contribution in wikipedia is blaming other people and going in huge debate on inclusion of image. Yes it is true that not all beggars are disabled, but it is also true that many beggars are disabled. Is it right to conceal it? I am sympathetic to the poor. Such scenes does exists in India, it is not misleading. There are many poor beggars like this. There are other images in the article showing abled poor. So I don't think this image will be misleading, but give the article a balanced approach covering all the sides. Your right judgement will be appreciated. Thanks and regards. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 07:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Firsts in India
Thanks for noticing. I looked at your contributions, very impressive. Jay (talk) 11:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Help Needed on Raja Nabakrishna Street
Hello,

I am trying to find the History of Raja Nabakrishna Street and how and when it was named. Why this street have historic importance?

So can you please help me providing/refering relevant information on the same?

Thanks & regards,

- Soumendra Nath Thakur (talk) 03:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Kolkatar rasta
I stumbled upon a book on Kolkatar rasta a few days back. See if you can collect that:

Sabek Kolkatar Rastar Itihas by Sameer RoyChowdhury

Publisher: Sahityayan 1/1b Dr Amal RoyChoudhury lane, Kol 700009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwaipayanc (talk • contribs) 17:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Itahar
Thanks for including the article link in the DYK. Congrats for ur wonderful collection of DYKs. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  06:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

From jayanta
Dear Mr P.K.Niyogi,

thank you for help and please help me also I want to add more fiture in the history of south 24 pargonas's history but there have no internet reference but have many books.... what should I do???????????????? Jayantanth (talk) 08:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayantanth (talk • contribs) 08:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You
Dear P.K.Niyogi, Thank you again for help me and I understand the methodology what you said.I should rectify my error.Jayantanth (talk) 08:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Image Mahasthangarh
I've uploaded the image. But astonishingly it is not showing in the article, though it can be found in the original file location. What's the problem? Thank you. Tanvir che (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Kolkata Streets
Kolkata Streets:

The Wikipedia Article "Raja Nabakrishna Street" is my own edit and I am familiar with Sobhabazar too but I must thank you for trying to resolve my question still now. I will definitely appreciated it if you find a suitable reply against my question. Also feel free to ask me a question if you think I may be familiar with the same.

Regards,

- Soumendra Nath Thakur (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Burrabazar, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 04:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work on this article, which I have added to be highlighted at Portal:Textile Arts. If you have any other WP:DYKs related to Textile arts, please let us know at Portal talk:Textile Arts, and also feel free to check out ongoing work at WikiProject Textile Arts.  Thanks again for your contributions!  Cirt (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hi! I have received your email, and will contact soon.--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks also for the comments and appreciation on my wiki contributions.

- Tinucherian 13:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK credits
What the heck happened with these? I assumed Binguyen had credited them already but it appears he didn't post the credits to the update page in the first place. Does he have a different method or something? Gatoclass (talk) 04:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Article Name
Hello PK Niyogi, Well, I have created History of Rajkot article. Now, I want to create article about very famous and prominent king of Rajkot. But, I am confused how to name article because his full name is "Thakore Shri Sir Lakhajiraj III Bawajiraj Sahib Jadeja". I am confused in few names, like (1) Lakhajiraj III Bawajiraj or (2) Sir Lakhajiraj or (3) Lakhajiraj only. Can you help me how to name article with proper name and categories? Gaurang | Talk 05:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
THANKS a great deal for putting in the proper reference format in my new article Trial of Satanta and Big Tree. I really appreciate the help - I am pretty good at research, but putting the sourcing in the proper form is a bear for me, and I greatly appreciated your kind assistance! JohninMaryland (talk) 02:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Maratha Ditch
Great article! --Dwaipayan (talk) 07:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Just one more to Go !
With just one more to century of DYKs, I wish all the success ! Best Wishes - Tinucherian (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

TOC left
Would you consider not putting in the template into articles? For one, TOCs automatically goes to left, and you don't have to force it. And, it messes up the layout pretty bad, pushing into the text at ungainly places and all. Thanks. Aditya (talk • contribs) 19:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Aditya (talk • contribs) 02:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Maratha Ditch

 * What was this ditch known in Bengali? If u know the Bangla name, then pls add it to the article. Amartyabag   TALK2ME  06:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The Century Man - You really deserve this

 * Hey PKN, Congratulations on the century! Very well done indeed. Keep it up! - KNM Talk 07:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Kudos to you...--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Great work, P.K.Niyogi! Ever since, I began frequenting the DYK pages, I noticed your contributions of tiny, unknown but quite significant Indian articles. It is amazing how you come up with these in numerous DYKs time and again! Keep up the good work and remember, there is a double century up for grabs! Lookie lookie! :) Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 16:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Great work! Excellent ! Blnguyen  (vote in the photo straw poll ) 02:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Dakshinaranjan_Mukherjee2.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Dakshinaranjan_Mukherjee2.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Nv8200p talk 01:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hawkers in Kolkata
Wow! A great article. I wish they used one of teh photos in the main page. Excellent and very informative work. Thanks.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha! "school teacher mentality" - hahahaa!!! Anyway, I did not miss Dhaki :) I read that article(probably that was in Oct-Nov), and relished the excellent photograph. Yes, you really have a point on the topics u mentioned. Dashakarma Bhandar is such a great topic!! Bye the way, I incorporated a bit of info from the hawker article in Kolkata and Economy of Kolkata.
 * At present, ami dantoshul-e pirito hocchi (akkel dant matha chara dicchilo, tuliye fellam). So enjoying a painful stay at home :) --Dwaipayan (talk) 05:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)