User talk:PBP

Yeah, I know
Good thing I never posted a video on Youtube saying "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE". No one knows what I look like or where I live. Please reply as soon as you can. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.106.50.228 (talk) 12:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

True, but a lot of people live in Florida. I never had any malicious intent. I just wanted to post the facts. I was surprised that the New York Times wanted to shut me up. I'm also surprised my edits created a storm over censorship. Even Michelle Malkin and Jimmy Wales knows about me. XD

Oh well, at least I knew David Rohde was held hostage while most of the world didn't. Thanks for not calling me a royal ass. I'm actually a good person at heart. ;)

In other news, too bad two of the five British hostages in Iraq are dead. It doesn't look good for the other three. :(

Thanks for the reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.106.50.228 (talk) 14:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Iraq casualties
I was updating Iraq conflict casualties and found that my numbers conflicted with some you had just added. I used the AP story "A Look at U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq for my numbers. What was your source? Any ideas why the numbers conflict? Rmhermen 13:42, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * I can't remember what my exact numbers were, but I think they were something like "934 US deaths and 64 British." Those came from http://icasualties.org/oif/, which I use to update casualty figures. Remember, there is some discrepancy between all (usually American) casualty counts, especially the Pentagon's count, which is usually behind a couple of days. If you feel your numbers are more accurate, I don't care if you change them. As to why this occurs, I think it has to do with the notification of families and the fact that each news agency might count a death when it happens or when it is officially confirmed by the Coalition, depending on what their style is. User:PBP, Aug 13, 2004

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Afghanistan casualty page
But I can, can't I? They do not update it so often. I mean, it's really no problem to me... Copperchair 07:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I saw your update, but this isn't reflected on the DoD page or in CNN. What happened? What is your source? Copperchair 04:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * According to the military, a soldier was killed in action on Sunday. Another was killed today, so there's going to be an update very shortly. Since it takes a while for those two sites to update, I'm not waiting for them. PBP 25 July 2005

CNN updated today. Copperchair 05:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Then I would appreciate it if you left a link to the site where you took the figures from in the explanation for the edit. Copperchair 16:58, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I will update the figures when the DoD announces them. The pages that are linked at the bottom are updated days later. Therefore, I will update based on the released statements and not a web site per se. PBP 17:54, 31 July UTC

I feel that since this is an encyclopedia, it should be based on reliable sources, i.e. the DoD casualty page. It is not that much trouble to wait until they update the page anyway, don't you think? Copperchair 19:11, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * No. I am going to revert it. We know the DoD page will be updated with these figures--Afghanistan is not like Iraq, with a new casualty every day, and multiple figures. There is a US death every few weeks, and rarely an ISAF death. Since the DoD ANNOUNCES the death--but does not update the site--I consider the announcement a reliable source. PBP 01:22, 9 Aug. 2005 (UTC)

Becuase I only trust the DoD page, for the reasons stated above. Copperchair 06:44, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

It has been weeks since you said there had been a German casualty, but it has not appeared in any update. Copperchair 07:04, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Terror incidents page
Perhaps you right in saying that there have been many more attacks in Kashmir which were far more significant than this one. I'm removing the Srinagar attack from the list, but isn't it a bit suprising that the Wandhama Massacre is the only Kashmiri terrorist incident mentioned. Why do I always feel that terrorist incidents are given importance with respect to the place where they occur rather than the casualties. Take for example the July 21 explosions in London. Only 1 person was injured during the attacks, but its included in the list! Now, why does this one get higher precedence -- because it took place in European city? Thanks --IncMan 00:35, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Perhaps so. Take the attacks in Egypt for example...the death toll was double the London bombs yet the cable news channels barely covered the attacks until hours later! They had continuing coverage of both London attacks, though, meaning bombings in Western nations are more important thanbombings elsewhere. PBP 24 July 2005


 * Well, CNN is an American channel (though it claims to be a global one) and hence it is obvious for it to focus more on incidents happening in the western world. Take the ex of Madrid train bombings, CNN covered the attacks for 3 days. On the other hand, Indian news channels barely mentioned the attacks. Believe me, the only concern for these news channels is to get higher viewership. All I want to say is that, terrorist attacks around the globe should get equal importance because terrorism doesn't know international boundaries. Establishing a link between the terrorist behind the London bombings and the Kashmiri terrorists wouldn't be too hard. --IncMan 23:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

War on terrorism
See |NPOV? Copperchair 05:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Afghan page
If the administrators ask why I keep changing it, I will simply provide the link to CNN, "the most trusted name in news". Has it occurred to you the news pages you mention may be wrong? Copperchair 23:53, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Then give me a link to the ISAF page announcement so I can see it myself. Then I'll believe you. Copperchair 04:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Moved picture from History of French Guyana
I notice you have moved a picture of the condemned mens' block in French Guyana that I had added. Can you please tell me where you have moved it to and why? If you wanted to use it somewhere else could you not have just copied it over? Please let me know what has happened. Thanks, John Hill John Hill 06:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Moved picture from History of French Guiana
Thanks for replying so promptly. Please accept my apologies for wrongly accusing you of removing the photo. I will try to be more careful in future. John Hill 22:19, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Darkspot small.bmp
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Terrorism
Okay, no problem. – Zntrip

bin Laden picture
Well that yet be the stupidest mistake I've made in my time on Wiki, thanks for the heads up! Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 01:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

helicopter crashes iraq
I noticed that you removed the january 23, 2005 apache crash from the list. Have you found any inormation on this (possibly non-) incident?

re: apache crash
thank you for your remarks. I would see the case for presenting that information as follows

DoD release No. 068-05 from January 24, 2005 says: The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Capt. Joe F. Lusk II, 25, of Reedley, Calif., died Jan. 21 in Camp Buehring, Kuwait, of non-combat related injuries. Lusk was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Aviation Regiment, Fort Bragg, N.C.

So ``supporting OIF'' is acknowledged. On the other hand, there is no other identification which could be related to the Apache crash announced in the other news piece.

Redirect in Crime and Punishment (TV series)
Hello. I have seen you make a redirect at Crime and Punishment (TV series) and have fixed it. Please remember to not include a space between the # and the redirect symbols and it should operate properly. Hope that helps! SYCTHOS talk 01:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

1995 French Bombings
I can't believe that I missed that! I actually went to that page looking for it - and after I didn't find it I did a bit of Googling and wrote that reference. Sometimes I amaze myself with my foolishness. hehe. --AStanhope 01:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

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1983 Beirut barracks bombing
Hi PBP, on March 12 I added this section to 1983 Beirut barracks bombing in response to an email Wikipedia received from a retired U.S. Navy captain:. In your latest revision to the page you made some other changes but also reverted this paragraph. Is there something incorrect about it that I should know? silsor 01:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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Commanche
I hope to be seeing a budding inclusionist and by reading your web page your not a new commer to wiki. There is a slight battle over this info but I have time now to fend off what I perceive as vandalism. Let me know if you need assistance in the fight (as small or ridiculous as it is) or just let me know your stance on the matter. --Supercoop 15:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Titanic from CGI history
Hey there. Just noticed your blind edit to remove Titanic from the CGI history article. Not really a good idea to just remove something "stating" it wasn't the first when all you have to offer is a suggestion for something else. What is worse is that your suggestion doesn't even fit the category. Forest Gump was a fiction movie, while Titanic (and indeed the category it is listed in) was an historical event. If you dont have any proof of something better, dont just arbitrarily remove something. At the least, take it to discussion and allow people to discuss its removal by providing something factual to replace it. Enigmatical 03:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Canal Hotel bombing
Nice edit! Good work! --rxnd ( t | &#8364; | c ) 07:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Die Hard 2
Great citations! Thanks! -- Tenebrae 19:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. Can you explain this? Thanks. --Nearly Headless Nick 13:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry about that. :) --Nearly Headless Nick 13:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

State terrorism

 * Regarding your comments on my user page.


 * I disagree that because I made those changes NOT JUST to Sri Lanka related articles but to articles regarding India, Indonesia and will be adding to the state terrorism category to actions of the Iraqi government Under Saddam against the Kurdish minority and more. If you have a point to make, the appropriate place to discuss the merits of State terrorism and terrorism is in the appropriate topics. I know about NPOV of Wikipedia and I don’t need to be lectured about it. Terrorism and State terrorism, holocaust, pogroms and genocide are topics that require utmost circumspect but not knee jerk reactions. RaveenS 12:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC

Reply
PBP, in case you haven't noticed, the profile of Geoffrey St. John can now be found in the article King Acorn's Secret Service. I created the article and placed him there because I like to group minor characters together. To me, it makes more sense to organize such characters instead of just dumping them all into a minor characters article. That being said, I hope you get the idea. User:Denjo

Empire Strikes back
I don't care if you believe me or not. Answer me this: why do the articles for the Episodes IV and VI have both the Special Edition poster and the DVD cover, and the Episode V doesn't? Esaborio 17:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess you will like this answer better: No, I am not Copperchair. BUT, I still don't care if you believe me or not... Esaborio 21:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Question
That's what I thought. The Wookieepedian 17:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I am Esaborio, alright, but not Copperchair. Varese Sarabande 15:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is the third video of the first plane impact on 9/11 you asked about.

It was captured by Artist Wolfgang Staehle. The frame rate is really low. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8KBiym4Yd8

Irish terrorism
The Provisional Irish Repulican Army PIRA clearly falls within the term Terrorism, therefore the British in fighting the PIRA for over 30 years have been fighting terrorists.

The statement ""no surprise" that the British Army is the best", is based on the fact that the Felix Centre is still the authority on IEDD, and to date nearly every country send their best EOD Operators on courses there.

Snozzer 17:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

OBL worldwide perception article AFD
You might be interested in this Articles for deletion/Worldwide perception of Osama bin Laden
 * Regards, -- That Guy, From That Show! 07:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Miguel Sandoval
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Shauket Aziz
You removed my comments as POV, these were not POV but rather facts from the annual report of Citi Bank. This man was not an executive officer, as if he were he would be in the annual report of the company and he is not. Therefore this should be part of his history at Citibank. Everyone bank manager is a Vice President because only an officer can open an account therefore to make this man something he was not is wrong.

trueblood 01:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree some of the information was POV so I have removed it, but the rest is verifiable from www.SEC.gov and look Citibank and than 10k and read the same, Aziz is no where in the annual report. As the annual report only has the corporate executives

trueblood 04:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

RC-135
I've temporarily reverted your addition to the RC-135 article, as the material you added is unsourced. AFAIK, the mission of the X model was/is secret. If you have a source that confirms what you said, please feel free to re-add the material, but please be sure to also include the ref. Akradecki 00:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks much better...thanks for that! Akradecki 03:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Palestinian factional violence
I have no objections to your source for 600 killed and great that you added it to the article. But the fighting before December was not on the level as the fighting since december. There have been three rounds of fighting since December and in each one 50 or up to 90 people were killed each time. Before December there were at least a dozen fights that laste only up to 48 hours and there were never more than 5-10 persons killed. Because those events are also notable we have included them in the part of the article titled February 2006 to December 2006 rise of tensions. The real civil war as the Palestinians call it started after the assasination attempt. Me and users TheFEARGod and Sm8900 have been doing on this article since day one. And they agree with me. So please if you whant do any edits to improve the article, that would be great, but the REAL fighting started only in december.Top Gun

Hey, like I said great about the 600 figure it should be mentioned. Keep up the work.Top Gun

Helicopter NPOV
Hi. I think the NPOV says that we have to present both sides of the event equaly. Why believe that the militants have exaggerated the tolls and not that the US Army are decresing the number of deaths? (I don't say that they certainly do it but I think you get my point). It would be good if you had cross referenced for all the cases. Of course, we are using referenced from Western media because it's more easy for us to find. Moreover, for some cases I checked in Al-Jazzera for example, the numbers of the casualties were exactly the same. Of course, I didn't have the time to do it for all the cases. The way you suggest to be written obviously implies that the US sources are more trustworthy than the others and I don't think this is a NPOV. Friendly, Magioladitis 16:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, I am concerned about the copyright status of this image, because with the link you provided, we have no way of saying who made the image. It could very well be a screenshot from a TV broadcast (and looks like it). Only images made by an employee of the US government during his worktime is public domain, not any image displayed on official web sites. Rama 18:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hum, never mind, I stumbled by chance on the original shortly after, and uploaded the high resolution version to Commons under the same name. Rama 18:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Coalition aircraft losses in Iraq
Hi. I reverted your edits in the article about List of Coalition aircraft losses in Iraq. The reason is that I think the The Harring Report was written in July 2007 and reports the Official Casualty Lists. The links you gave, and I used in the past too, are from newspapers usually in the day of the incident. I find it quite normal some people who reported injured at the day of the accident that finally died from their injuries in the hospital within the next hours/days.

Please, if you have any reasons to believe that the Harring report is not accurate or that your sources are more reliable, reply to me before editing again. Friendly, Magioladitis 05:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I saw your answer. The Harring Report claims that the sources for the list of aircraft losses are AFP, DoD (US) Novosti, Reuters. I am sending Brian Harring an e-mail today. Please give a 4-day period for his answer. I'll inform you about his answer. If he doesn't reply or he can't confirm the list we can safely revert.

Did you find any sources for the October 30, 2003 incident? I searched google but I found nothing -- Magioladitis

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Operation Orchard
Thanks for helping with Operation Orchard and adding it to the template. I'm not exactly sure if this is going to end up being its final name, as only The Observer has actually referred to it specifially as "Operation Orchard." Other reports have just mentioned that its codename was "Orchard." I thought, however, that Operation Orchard would work better here for the moment than "2007 Israeli airstrike on Syria", or something overly descriptive like that. Joshdboz 17:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

1995 Turkish operation in Iraq
I'm afraid you're mistaken about Operation Steel. It was in 1995, not 1994. All of the sources on the page say so. So do news archive reports...I think you have some incorrect information. PBP 20:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See: http://fotoanaliz.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=6755&p=2&rid=4369 -- Cat chi? 20:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you are incorrect. See, , , , , and every news source from 1995, all of which state that Turkey went into northern Iraq in 1995. I started the article using sources from 1995. And yet you bring up a single source from a non-news site that says it took place in 1994. It's my five sources (and I could go on) versus your one. PBP 22:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hürriyet is the largest newspaper in Turkey. Which in turn sources Saygün Öztürk's "Sınır Ötesi Savaşın Kurmay Günlüğü" - Translates as "An Officers Diary Cross Border Wars".
 * Your first source is a non-peer reviewed query to the NYT and is not a reliable source. I haven't reviewed them, but looking into it.
 * -- Cat chi? 22:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's an article from the NYT. How is that not reliable? Do you know what LexisNexis is? Look up information on this incursion in 1994--there are zero results. Accept it--the date "1994" is a misprint, since no other source in existence claims the raid was in 1994. PBP 22:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There might have been a more minor campaign in 1995. But the information presented is for the one in 1994. -- Cat chi? 22:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995_cr/s950328-turkey.htm. Convinced yet? This is a congressional record from 1995.PBP 22:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am merely seeking the most accurate information. Please calm down. Looking now. -- Cat chi? 23:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see nothing there that establishes Operation Steel to be in 1995. No element of the operation is even mentioned. I'll need a more clear link for WP:V purposes. The memo could have been sent the following year of the operation or it could be for a smaller operation in 1995. There are countless mini cross-border operations aside from the big four we have articles on. You are right 1994 may have been a misprint but I need evidence to this end. -- Cat chi? 23:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Here are two more sources that conclusively prove the incursion was in 1995:. Please do not drag this out any further...this is a rather trivial issue, yes, but you seem unwilling to accept the truth. I have provided seven sources that say "Operation Steel" was in 1995, yet you provide one source that says it was in 1994. No other source refers to such an operation in 1994, therefore your source is mistaken. It's like saying the Iraq war started in 2002 instead of 2003. It's not reality. Please accept that the incursion was in 1995, or I will get an admin's intervention in this matter, and they will with certainty side with me. Please. PBP 02:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, firstly admins have no authority to interfere with content related disputes. Calling one in would be pointless. As for the you provided, it seems to adequately establish the campaign in 1995. You can alter the dates while 'ing to this source. -- Cat chi? 19:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Aviation accidents and incidents in Iraq War
Hi. I think we should work on next version of this article, not the current one. Please see here and here. 195.248.189.182 (talk) 07:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was about to write the same thing. Please help us to improve the new version. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Terrorism Newsletter
Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 05:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

A small article...
Hello! I just wanted to thank you for your small but albeit important correction on the Charles Bucke page. Even though it's a very small page since the author in question is merely a footnote in his own time, I want to thank you for fixing back to normal his death date. Thanks. :) (Tsukiakari (talk) 02:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC))

Marla
Approve removal of tag. Article looks good (i don't edit that article but look over it from time to time since she was a friend).Bali ultimate (talk) 19:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Mexican drug war
Yeah OK I'll have a look tomorrow when I'm free or Sunday. Thanks for the heads-up. Nicknackrussian (talk) 20:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Richard Honeck
Thanks very much for adding the details of Honeck's death, which has puzzled several, including me. If by any chance you have access to the St Petersburg Times article cited, and could scan it, I would really appreciate a copy for my files. Perhaps you could let me know? Mikedash (talk) 14:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgot to say thanks for the link, but I do appreciate it, so: many thanks.Mikedash (talk) 12:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Helicopter
I found three more sources for the story, so re-added it, but left off the claim of casualties since that seems to have likely been untrue. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 23:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Reference needed
On July 14 you added some updates to 2008 Nord-Kivu campaign, including an empty reference name="Capture". Could you please give the details of that reference? Debresser (talk) 01:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the fix. Debresser (talk) 16:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Monsters, Inc.
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Qassam rocket
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Ice Cream Sundae, Town of Two Rivers
I noticed that you addded a section to the Town of Two Rivers page about the ice cream sundae. The section is great however the ice cream sundae was invented in the City of Two Rivers not the Town of Two Rivers. The article on the City of Two Rivers doesn't contain very much information on the topic so I think the section could be moved as it is to that article.--ChesterMarcol (talk) 21:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The section was, in fact, a copy-paste without attribution from our article Sundae. Please review Copying within Wikipedia. Anomie⚔ 14:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
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STL
you edited the page to remove a lot of content without mention ont he talk page. Also you removed the expert tag for "false witnesseS", but didnt clarify it. Could you clarify the issue in the section as to what exactly the "false witnesses" are?Lihaas (talk) 07:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont have issue with the removal, was acually waiting for another opinion to cut it. But the false witnesses, i dont think is clarified because the details as to who did what is not mentioned,(Lihaas (talk) 22:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)).
 * Ah, seems like ive been following the saga too closely ;)
 * Are you Lebanese of from the Levant by any chance? I presume you got to the page from the WikiProject Lebanon request?Lihaas (talk) 05:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ive reinserted the expert tag as it seems there are multiple accused false witnesses. (warrants mentioned on the page now)Lihaas (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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 * Yes, that was my original text. I will consider getting in touch with the publisher, but what exactly can I do? Get them to update the text? Is there any precedence for this? Can you even plagiarize WIkipedia? PBP (talk) 04:53, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please do not restore your incorrect edit for the 4th time. This is a heads-up that I am deleting your edit on Mr. Atherton's page as the 4th editor to do so. To continually restore an edit that other editors have deleted, violates Wikipedia rules. Administrators have stated, "You are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted." Not until 2020 did you use the Talk Page as advised and in response, another editor said you should delete your edit. You did not.

My reasons for deleting your edit are 1) It is incorrect in several ways. 2) It has harmed not only Mr. Atherton, but many others including myself.

You wrote, "I'm not trying to malign the guy." But I question that based solely on your behavior. You have maligned him since late 2018 which is a long time to keep restoring inaccurate information about a public person in an important online source. You say what you write about is elsewhere on the internet. There is plenty of misinformation on the internet about nearly everything, as I'm sure you know. One vivid example is that other sites have picked up what you wrote because Wikipedia is a valuable resource. So your incorrect edit has been circulated elsewhere, spreading the harm. That's how misinformation gets around. Deleting it here will still leave it elsewhere, likely to be copied again by someone else.

You have shown that you can be a careful editor when it comes to subjects you know--having to do with history and war. That doesn't seem to be the case when you write about male celebrities--I saw you once had trouble in this area before and Wikipedia blocked you from writing on another actor's page. Maybe it's time to take the hint.

Your edit: You put certain words in quotes, essentially attributing those words to Mr. Atherton. But he did not say them. David Susskind said them and he was repeatedly corrected by multiple guests. That's a pretty large mistake, attributing specific words to someone that they didn't say. You also imply Mr. Atherton appeared by himself. He did not. A number of guests spoke about the usefulness of Aesthetic Realism in their lives and all of them spoke about how they used it in their work. Further, no student of Aesthetic Realism ever said they were "turned" into anything or described themselves as "former" anything. I know because I also studied the philosophy in the 1970's, when Mr. Atherton, in his 20's as I was, attended classes and presentations. Aesthetic Realism was taught then and still is, in New York City classrooms. It is popular with educators because of its approach to education. But it is used just as often in the business world, the art world, in religious settings, and is a useful tool in marriage and families. It teaches you that the whole world can be seen by a person the way an artist sees an object he paints, or a musician sees a symphony. It is based on art principles which is why it is called "aesthetic."

Your sources are not acceptable for Wikipedia: What Mr. Susskind expected is not what he got and the show did not go well. But it is also a dead link and that makes it an unacceptable source as other editors have told you. Another source is based on information provided by Susskind producers to a copywriter who was allowed a couple of words to describe the essence of an episode. But that listing does not indicate what was actually said in the show, so it too, is inaccurate and not acceptable. Then another source cited by someone for your sentences lists a book, but doesn't quote anything. In my research, I discovered why. It's a farfetched, silly story about the book's author that isn't even relevant to what you wrote. The last source, a 45 year old paid ad, has already been discussed by another editor who determined your edit should be deleted if based on it. Your previously deleted sources have likewise been criticized by editors who removed your edit. The time has come to accept that maybe what you describe is not accurate or accurately stated.

But the real question is why you keep insisting your edit remain, regardless of what other Wikipedia editors say. When editors, for different reasons, believe your edit should be deleted, you should respect this.

Just as important, Wikipedia states about reliable sources: "Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced--whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable--should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion."

You have not honored that either. In addition to specific faults editors had with your edit, most also cited possible violations of Bios of Living Persons' guidelines. Those guidelines matter. Please review them. I agree that they are being violated and unfortunately if this continues, we will have no choice but to take this up at the BLP noticeboard.

To sum up: You are maligning not only Mr. Atherton, but all of us who had our own unique experiences studying Aesthetic Realism at that time, so many decades ago. Many people have studied this philosophy and some of us found we changed in ways we did not expect. Your edit suggested conversion therapy to me--something so barbaric and ugly that laws now prevent it and that's why you also malign all of us. If you knew what Aesthetic Realism was and what it said, you would realize that what you suggest is nonsensical. Yet I actually saw an article online confirming my worst fears: it quoted your edit under the headline, "Conversion therapy?" That is ugly, harmful, it is incorrect and extremely unfair to Mr. Atherton and to all of us who experienced nothing of the sort--it's just ludicrous. This philosophy has enabled children to learn better, it's enabled people to be more successful in their work, it's made artists better artists. Think of it as psychology based on art.

I know you do not fully understand how the subject you mention was seen fifty years ago. And I know you do not know what Aesthetic Realism is or what it says or how it's affected so many people in all kinds of ways. It's time, PBP, to let this go. It's just wrong on so many levels. Stop breaking Wikipedia guidelines for editing and think instead about the effect you might be having on a public person's personal and professional life. It's time to do the right thing and follow multiple editors' thoughtful opinions. 17enk4900 (talk) 21:58, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Dearest Editor 17enk4900, for your 1,100 word plea on my talk page. I will consider what you said with the utmost seriousness. For now I will say -- how is quoting the words of William Atherton "maligning" him? It seems that if one takes out an ad in the NY Daily News that says "I am former homosexual" and is videotaped on Dave Susskind saying "I am a former homosexual," then how is that maligning Mr. Atherton? Homosexuality is not "bad." The year is 2021, not 1971. Saying that maybe you were gay in the 1970s would hardly bat an eye in Hollywood today. And it could hardly affect he career of an actor who has not worked much in the last several years. If Mr. Atherton believes these words to reflect badly on him, perhaps you can ask why he made these statements to begin with, in the national press, I might add? PBP (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I do hear what you're saying and also hope you will consider what I wrote with the utmost seriousness, as you said. I felt I had to provide you with sufficient explanation to enable you to understand the cause of the deletion because of the previous restorations. I will say again though, Mr. Atherton did not say the precise words you attribute to him. No one spoke that way who studied Aesthetic Realism, publicly or privately. Words have nuance and imply different things to people. I can understand why you put it that way, but when you use certain words, you can suggest or convey something that isn't accurate. You also seem to say he took out an ad which he certainly did not--another example of where you need to be a little more careful in how you put things. The Aesthetic Realism Foundation prepared that ad, which incidentally no longer represents their position from what I understand. But the last few sentences you wrote back to me, are essentially your opinion--which of course, you're entitled to have. But opinions are not what Wikipedia is about. I didn't see opinion expressed in the pieces you've posted that I read--they seemed factual and from what I can tell, pretty carefully written. They were interesting and I learned things. So I hope you take what I wrote to heart. I meant well. Another person's life is involved (and other people's as well, as I explained) and we all have to be more careful when saying anything about someone in an online encyclopedia.17enk4900 (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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