User talk:PCMorphy72/List of songs about or referencing Syd Barrett

Webchat for Wikipedia articles for Syd Barrett, 03 June 2014
[13:16]  !helper Hello. I would like to know if it's normal if the reviewer who declined my article takes more than 24h to reply to a couple of questions I put in his tak page

[13:17] <+Firefly67> the reviewers are all volunteers, they edit and respond to questions when they have time

[13:19]  thanks, but there is a way to ask help from other volunteers in the meanwhile? (I've waited 5 weeks for his negative judgement)

[13:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> hi

[13:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 ?

[13:19]  Yes

[13:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> show us the page, please?

[13:20] <+Firefly67> well, Gigs wrote a detailed account of why it isn't appropriate

[13:20]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/List_of_songs_about_or_referencing_Syd_Barrett

[13:21]  Yes Gigs wrote, but I've wrote too to find an agreement, to let him understand more an possibly to edit the page

[13:22]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gigs#Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation.2FList_of_songs_about_or_referencing_Syd_Barrett

[13:22] <+Dragonfly6-7> Hm.

[13:23] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - at the very least, this is a complex case

[13:23] <+Dragonfly6-7> if I were doing reviews, I'd leave this one for someone else

[13:23] <+Dragonfly6-7> you've done some exquisite referencing

[13:24] <+Dragonfly6-7> let me think

[13:24]  The fact is that the reviewer seems to have simply ignored just the references, basing his judgement in what I've wrote to let the article more readable though it's about a "List"

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[13:25] <+Dragonfly6-7> Yeah, that's the thing. You could do exquisite referencing for a total POV essay, and that wouldn't make it appropriate for a Wikipedia articlec.

[13:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> GET FF MY DESK, CAT

[13:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> I CANT SEE THE SCREEN THE CAT IS ON MY ESK

[13:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> okay

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[13:27] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - I think what you need to do is really trim down that opening section. You go off on too many tangents that are not strictly factual, I think.

[13:28]  I asked Gigs about that, if the problem is the opening section, of if the "List" itsel would be OK

[13:30] <+Dragonfly6-7> Two things

[13:30] <+Dragonfly6-7> the opening is too flowery and tangent-filled

[13:30] <+Dragonfly6-7> and the list isn't strict enough

[13:31]  Why isn't strict?

[13:31]  the lyrics and the citations aren't a proof?

[13:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> no, the thing is you're being too inclusive

[13:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> I could record myself singing "syd barrett, syd barrett, a very sad man" over and over

[13:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> and then upload it to bandcamp

[13:32]  every song has been officially released

[13:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> I could make an official release of my song "Syd Barrett, Syd Barrett"

[13:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> so here

[13:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> only include songs that are by artists who have Wikipedia articles

[13:33]  ah...now i understand

[13:34]  about an half of them are in wikipedia as it's possible to seee from the links

[13:34]  many others could be on wikipedia as well...

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[13:35] <+Dragonfly6-7> Could be, but aren't.

[13:35]  in the similar article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_about_or_referencing_Elvis_Presley many artists have the red link

[13:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - doesn't mean you should emulate that article.

[13:36]  I though it was better an external link than a red link

[13:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> Rather, it means someone needs to go through and chop out anything that's redlinked.

[13:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> I understand, but better to remove them, because in this sort of context it's much too easy to fill up the article with external spamlinks

[13:37] <PCMorphy72> I understand... I thought the verifying the quality of the citations would be enough, though it was an hard work for the reviewers

[13:38] * Dragonfly6-7 nods.

[13:38] <+Dragonfly6-7> I'm going to trim down that Elvis article right now, in fact

[13:40] <PCMorphy72> I'm realizing that are artists not linked at all in the Elivis article, but it may be very "Informative" information, to have a complete list

[13:40] <+Dragonfly6-7> yeah, I'm working on that right this minute

[13:41] * Dragonfly6-7 sings "SYD BARRET, SYD BARRET... A VERY SAD MAN"

[13:41] <+Dragonfly6-7> I have a decent singing voice

[13:41] <+Dragonfly6-7> but of course I don't have a microphone yet.

[13:42] <PCMorphy72> it's anyway a work from professional artists and "properly" released by a label and distributed with conventional ways.. I'm talikng also for the times before internet

[13:47] <+Dragonfly6-7> Still.

[13:48] <+Dragonfly6-7> Restrict yourself to only artists who already have Wikipedia articles.'

[13:48] <+Dragonfly6-7> that'll trim it down substantially.

[13:48] <PCMorphy72> OK, and for the introduction I have to wait the gigs reply?

[13:51] <+Dragonfly6-7> If he hasn't answered by Monday, come on back here.

[13:51] <+Dragonfly6-7> okay?

[13:52] <PCMorphy72> Thanks, I have just another question

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[13:54] <PCMorphy72> I have to wait another months for this similar article to be reviewed or I can ask e.g. Gigs to review it before. I have it almost ready here (I guess I have to trim it as well): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PCMorphy72/List_of_works_about_Syd_Barrett

[13:56] <+Dragonfly6-7> Okay, let's have a look

[13:56] <PCMorphy72> about the trims... I think there's something wrong to not report the biography by Mike Watkinson & Pete Anderson, translated in 9 languages and a reference for a decade (I guess many thousands of copies sold) and be removed because the authors have not a wikipedia article about them

[13:58] <+Dragonfly6-7> can you write an article about that biography?

[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> just have a little bit about media coverage -- that is, reviews.

[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> and voila.

[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> as for the list of interviews, I'm really not sure

[13:59] <+Dragonfly6-7> as for the artwork, please don't include stuff that's only on DeviantArt !

[14:01] <PCMorphy72> I had to do it with many other works... too hard ... about deviantart it's well separated form the "official" published works.. thogh nowadays the differences are hard to find.. and I guess more hard in the forthcoming years

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[14:12] <PCMorphy72> If it was for create an article for just one biography only I would be quite satisfied... thanks for your replies Dragonfly6

[14:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - glad I could help

[14:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> and yes, it's possible to create an article for one biography

[14:19] <+Dragonfly6-7> if it's selling well enough that it's been translated into 9 languages, it's probably reliable

[14:20] <PCMorphy72> Thanks but it doesn't makes sense to have a quite incomplete list... for my purposes

[14:26] <+Dragonfly6-7> what are your purposes

[14:28] <PCMorphy72> to have a "complete" overview of the material regarding syd barrett, with the reliability, authoritative source, and all the qualities of Wikipedia

[14:31] <+Dragonfly6-7> Syd Barrett, Syd Barrett, a very... sad man....

[14:31] <+Dragonfly6-7> I've actually figured out the music here

[14:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> the thing is, you'll eventually hit a point of diminishing returns

[14:32] <+Dragonfly6-7> every mention of Syd Barrett *ever* ?

[14:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> PCMorphy72 - is it reasonable for me to think that you personally have a website with a massive list of Syd Barrett references?

[14:33] <Acalycine> Haha

[14:33] <+Dragonfly6-7> Acalycine - hush

[14:33] * Acalycine spills his coffee

[14:34] <PCMorphy72> The problem is that it's a complex issue, maybe quantitatively speaking I thought would help... No I have not yet Dragonfly, it was my first attempt

[14:35] <+Dragonfly6-7> there are lists where it would be far too easy to clutter them up with loads and loads of self-published stuff

[14:36] <+Dragonfly6-7> we have to impose *some* minimal conditions for inclusion

[14:36] <Acalycine> True

[14:36] <PCMorphy72> In fact I thought at a more serious list

Artists on Wikipedia to add
2003 Los Prisioneros - Concepción

2012 Lawrence Ball - Imaginary Galaxies: Galaxy No. 1 (for the late Syd Barrett)

June 2016 Texas Bob Juarez (member of Television Personalities) - And So Through The Dark Forest I Must Go (Song for Syd) - Instrumental dedicated to Syd Barrett and mentioning Syd Barrett lyrics in the title of the album

Artists on AllMusic/Bandcamp/Last.fm/Amazon/iTunes/HYGIY to add
In the Wikipedia article, the inclusion criteria says: All the artists listed have an entry in Wikipedia, with the exception of Flaming Star due to historical reasons.

2006 Dipsomaniacs - Syd Barrett

2007 Chancellorpink - Syd Barrett

2007 Lydia Daher - Songs von Syd Barrett

2008 Jimmy Bear Pearson - Requiem for Syd Barrett – Allegretto

2008 Keller's 10 - Syd Barrett

2009 Alan Bernhoft - Rosey-Toed Computer Man (For Syd Barrett)

2010 Flawed Genius - Lament For Syd Barrett

2010 Grey Lotus - Song For Syd Barrett

2011 Taboo Stu - Syd Barrett Salad

2012 Majeur - Nico and Syd Barrett

2012 Marianne Nowottny & Barry Schwabsky - Biopic (For Artie Gold or Syd Barrett)

2013 Electric Forgiveness - Syd Barrett Blues

Sep 2013 The Rebels of Tijuana  Lady Acide  Covering Syd Barrett music, with lyrics possibly referencing Syd Barrett

2014 Los Caramelos - Veintidós órbitas - Mentioning Syd Barrett lyrics in the title of the album

Aug 2015 Tedy el Cosmonauta - Etéreo Cerebro - Includes a vocal sample by Syd Barrett