User talk:PKM/10 January-June 2009

Wikipedia Loves Art
First off, I apologize for the spam. You are receiving this message because you have indicated that you are in Southern California or interested in Southern California topics (either via category or WikiProject).

I would like to invite you to the Los Angeles edition of Wikipedia Loves Art, a photography scavenger hunt to be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) on Saturday, February 28, 2009, from 1:00 to 7:00 PM. All photos are intended for use in Wikipedia articles or on Wikimedia Commons. There will be a prize available for the person who gets the most photos on the list.

If you don't like art, why not come just to meet your fellow Wikipedians. Apparently, we haven't had a meetup in this area since June 2006!

If you are interested in attending, please add your name to Wikipedia Loves Art. Please make a note if you are traveling to the area (train or plane) and need transportation, which can probably be arranged via carpool, but we need time to coordinate. Lodging is as of right now out of scope, but we could discuss that if enough people are interested.

Thank you and I hope to see you there!  howcheng  {chat} 00:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Victorian fasion
It was the "Victorian prudery" and "Victorian chic" sections that were the big problem spots, and they are still relatively unchanged.  bibliomaniac 1  5  21:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

English embroidery
I have started the article English embroidery. Could someone in the UK please review for inadvertant Americanisms? I am especially unclear about whether -ise or -ize should be standard, or if it varies (OED seems to go with -ize, as have I). Thanks! - PKM (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't help with that, but thanks for writing this article. Nice work!


 * If you haven't seen it, the Art Inst of Chicago embroidery book I cited in the main embroidery article has some nice info re this topic (and others). Most of those photos are online at http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/search/, and most should be PD under the license. Best wishes, Pete Tillman (talk) 01:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - PKM (talk) 02:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for English embroidery
Wonderful work! Keep it up! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 17:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Thank you! - PKM (talk) 21:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

TUSC token 094de038a1ce554055b4a750390ffd91
I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Portrait of Susanna Temple, Lady Lister
I believe that you uploaded the portrait of Susanna Temple, Lady Lister by Marcus Gheeraerts the Younger. Her date of birth in the description accurately reflects the inscription on the portrait, but is incorrect. Her parents were not married until December 1602, so her birth cannot be before 1603. (I know this sounds naive, but illegitimate births prior to marriage were unusual amongst the gentry, and Susanna's mother was still married to her first husband - Thomas Penistone - in 1600. Their last child was born after his death.) Unfortunately, I have no published source for Susanna's birth, although there is a published source that says her date of birth is unknown. I'm not sure whether the source for her parents marriage (the IGI) is acceptable. Similarly, quoting from Thomas Penistone's will (available from the UK National Archives - []) would probably be regarded as original research. I don't think Wikipedia should contain inaccurate information, but I can't think how to proceed. Do you have any suggestions? Rjm at sleepers (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestion, which seems sensible. I suspect Susanna Temple (or Susan as she is known in other sources) does meet the notabiity guidelines. She was the mother of Martin Lister, the grandmother of Sarah, Duchess of Marlborough and of Frances Talbot, Countess of Tyrconnel. She was also the sister of the regicide James Temple. There is another (better known) portrait of her in the Tate gallery. Someone has red linked her in the James Temple article. If you do decide to start an article, I'd be happy to contribute to it. Incidentally, although the comment about her being a lady in waiting to Anne of Denmark can be sourced, it is almost certainly not correct and in this instance there is a source that questions it. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 08:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

New guideline on Galleries
See Image_use_policy, nb especially "See 1750-1795 in fashion for an example of a good use of galleries." See the talk page for the campaign. Johnbod (talk) 22:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

George Stewart, 9th Seigneur d'Aubigny
Query on talk there - I was about to pass for DYK. Johnbod (talk) 16:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * and btw, what's the word for the elegant garments here? Johnbod (talk) 21:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for George Stewart, 9th Seigneur d'Aubigny
--Dravecky (talk) 06:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

wp:HSITES
WikiProject Historic Sites is opened up. I took the liberty of assuming your support for the wikiproject meant you wanted to join as a member, and I copied your signature to the Members list on the main page. Please visit and add to, or remove, your listing there. It would be great to hear about what you're interested in the Wikiproject becoming, in your member comment and/or at the Talk page, shortcut wt:HSITES. Thanks for your support! doncram (talk) 17:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * We've opened up a separate task force now. Please sign up at the Task force page, and join discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Historic sites/California historic sites task force.  I took the liberty of copying over your suggestion about the stagecoach trail articles merger. Thanks for being involved already! doncram (talk) 00:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

What do you think?

 * Hello PKM, what do you think of my latest article? Anne Hamilton, Countess of Huntly? Does it look OK?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks great! - PKM (talk) 18:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. While still in my Scottish mood, I created Princess Mary Stewart of Scotland this morning. These articles on Scottish people make me want to re-visit Edinburgh, one of my favourite cities--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a good one! - PKM (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * While the bagpipes continue to ring in my mind across the glens and lochs, I created these today: Agnes Leslie, Countess of Morton and Agnes Douglas, Countess of Argyll--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're really on a roll! - PKM (talk) 02:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Embroidery and English embroidery
Neither of these articles have a quality rating. I'd like to keep Portal:Textile arts/Selected article to only B-class articles and higher (GA and FA, preferably). Cirt (talk) 05:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fair. I will back them out of rotation and ask someone to rate them. - PKM (talk) 05:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Scott of Branxholme and Buccleuch
Shubinator (talk) 03:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed on Walter Scott of Branxholme and Buccleuch
Hi. Thanks for your great work on Walter Scott of Branxholme and Buccleuch. I was looking through the article for links to disambiguation pages to fix, and stumbled across Newark Castle. I cannot discern, however, which is the correct target to use in the article. I figured that, since you seem knowledgeable on the subject, you might know. Again, thanks for your efforts in improving Wikipedia. - Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count)• I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 08:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that; it's Newark Castle, Selkirkshire. I'll update the link. - PKM (talk) 17:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

A mere scullion
Loads of good quality Wenzel Hollar images now uploaded to Commons here. Some might be useful for fashion articles or whatever. All the best, Johnbod (talk) 12:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Waist (clothing)
Hello. Just to let you know I've added an image to this article which you ceated in 2005. As I'm no expert on the subject, I thought you might wish to add comments (the detailed captions are all readable on the high-resolution version on Commons) or maybe use the image in a different way. - Mu (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury
Does anyone know off hand when scholars concluded that the canonical portrait here is not Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury? - PKM (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know, but Strong was very dubious in 1969 (I note the NPG references him), where he referred to this painting as "called Margaret of Salisbury". His two main grounds for suspicion were that the ermine was painted on later and the coat of arms were painted over another coat of arms. Also the 'W' jewel was added later but, says Strong, "is inexplicable unless the portrait was once intended for her daughter Winifred". The overpainting is apparently very heavy. I want it to be her, though, because that long face is so like Reginald's. qp10qp (talk) 01:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a hoot; deducing from various sources, the portrait was suggested as Margaret (daughter of the Duke of Clarence, he of the butt of malmsey) because she is wearing a charm of a barrel on a black ribbon around her wrist - and the barrel charm around her wrist has been used as evidence that the story of the butt of malmsey may be true. Talk about circular reasoning... PKM (talk) 01:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Are there living descendants of Margaret of Salisbury or did Henry VIII wipe her entire family out?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just discovered that she did have descendants, one of them was Catherine Pakenham, wife of the Duke of Wellington. Good, so the Tudors didn't mange to eliminate the entire Plantagenet dynasty after all.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ranchos of California
Thanks for your continuing interest in Ranchos of California - and support of moving the list to its own page. I have learnt thru this (reverting my moving the list) that there are more people following this than I thought. Eventually there will be about 800 entries in the table, so really it is just a matter when, not if. I think it may have to be broken down again by County - but later. I have been working intermitantly on this page for the last couple of months, and plan to keep working on it.Emargie (talk) 21:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Those maps you added are a great improvement. I am working on the rancho list, and am considering replacing it with .Emargie (talk) 23:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * PKM, I saw Rancho El Escorpión on the new SFV page and added it to the list of Ranchos - which I moved to List of Ranchos of California because it didn't make sense to leave off the Spanish concessions. When I get the list more complete (need to add Santa Barbara and Monterey Counties), I will link it to Ranchos of CaliforniaEmargie (talk) 01:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

James D. Hutton
Hi PKM! I'm sorry that I am not familiar with James Hutton's work, but the article is well written. I capitalized "Nation" and "River" then added categories. Those were the only changes I could think of and, of course, very minor. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Sir Roy Strong weighs in on the Cobbe portrait
"'It is codswallop, isn't it?' said Strong. 'I don't know why Stanley Wells has gone off on this fantasy journey.' - http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/apr/19/shakespeare-portrait-contested" - PKM (talk) 22:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Obadiah Rich, William Rich
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

DYK for Ribbon work
Thanks so much for nominating the article! I wish I had better photos for it. My school's powwow is coming up, so hopefully I can get some then. Also I have two very nice fingerwoven sashes to photograph for the Fingerweaving article – just can't find them. Anyway, thank you! -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Thank You For The Welcome
Greetings PKM!

Thank you for the very kind and helpful welcome to Wiki.

I am presently writing my dissertation on Eworth, which is why I was careful to cite other sources rather than simply using my own research. I also noted, in the discussion section, that I did not completely alter the article because my work is not yet in press. I do want to be very careful not to simply push my own research into the article. And, in fact, there are some very interesting and recent published essays/book sections that discuss him. Unfortunately, I simply haven't had the chance to pull them out of my files, yet. Once I do so, however, I will be sure to (at least) add those details to the reference section.

It is nice, however, to see all of the hard work you have put into his page. The last time I checked Wiki for him, I dont recall seeing a page. So, nicely done. Its a wonderful summary of the current research!

Thank you again for the welcome!

HansEworth (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for History of the San Fernando Valley to 1915

 * Wow, that was fast! - PKM (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Power suit
Hi again PKM! I noticed the article power suit effectively does not exist. I figure you'd be the one to either make it or find someone else to. Cheers,  Oreo Priest  talk 18:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha! Umm, let me think about that... - PKM (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much!
Thank you so much for that Barnstar for Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester and all his circle! I was really totally surprised when I found this on my talk page. I first enquired about what a barnstar really is (whence it originated, and so on ), interesting! I must apologize for having confused the Earl of Leicester's Cambridge posts (he was High Steward, not Vicechancellor), more is on the article's talk page. Quite embarrassing: that happens to people who have never been to Oxbridge!

As I see you are an expert on images, perhaps you are interested in the following: I removed the portrait in Ambrose Dudley, 3rd Earl of Warwick, as it depicted undoubtedly William Cecil, Lord Burghley from a 19th century book (see article talk page and older versions of the article). I put in a picture of the church interior with his grave, although clearly this is not as satisfactory as a portrait. There are very nice photographs of his grave effigy on Flickr.com, but I am quite unsure about copyright things. There also exist at least two portraits of him, but I couldn't find them on the web. Again many, many thanks! Buchraeumer (talk) 16:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association
The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring (and reliably sourced) contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome.

If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here

Discussion is here.Peter Damian (talk) 19:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester at GAN
Hi! As the article's talkpage has since been visited by bot, I thought you should nevertheless be informed that I've ventured to nominate Robert Dudley at GAN. I don't know if its a wise move, but I thought I might as well have a try. Generally speaking, I must say that I very much sympathize with the philosophy of your top userbox! Buchraeumer (talk) 11:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye on that, thanks! - PKM (talk) 22:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed the nomination, sorry! - I lost my nerve after looking too much at several noticeboards, talkpages - it's crazyland! I really tried hard (and the article has benefitted from this), but I am simply somewhat unable to write "encyclopedicly" (adverb/adjective/quote-free). And, as Robert Dudley is not Aelfwulf of Somewheria, I think this not a problem. As you know, the article has had positive feedback. So I feel there is no need at the moment to undo it myself. Buchraeumer (talk) 17:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

William Segar
I've noticed that you created William Segar, so perhaps you'd be interested that his portrait of the Earl of Leicester is now new(?) at tudorplace here, along with a nice image of the "Noble Impe" , Leicester's son.

I came across a few things about Segar in Leicester's household accounts (see Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester for bibliographic details): In May 1585 "the picture drawer" received 5 li. from the Earl. In April 1584, he is mentioned as "one Seager, a gardineir", this error Leicester later corrected to "painter" in his own hand. Segar is also mentioned by Leicester in his Netherlands correspondence: he told the Earl one day before their planned departure that he wouldn't go with him. Later he was sent there because Leicester desperately needed a herald "with either French, Latin or Dutch". I know this is too specialized for the article, but perhaps you enjoy such little details nevertheless. I always do! Buchraeumer (talk) 11:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Rollback
I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

thx
Thx for the tip about Joseph Wright - I found it useful. cheers Victuallers (talk) 14:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)