User talk:PKM/11 July-Dec 2009

Moire
Just wanted to say thanks for the pic and the new hook-I was having trouble figuring out how to get all three articles into one sentence in a graceful manner, and you achieved that nicely. Loggie (talk) 13:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Swan and Rush Crane.jpg
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 * ooh a ghost from my early days in Wikipedia. Uploaded a higher res image and moved to Commons, thanks. - PKM (talk) 17:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Teerlinc miniature
Hi! I just wanted to tell you that Eric Ives, in his new book, Lady Jane Grey: A Tudor Mystery Wiley-Blackwell 2009 ISBN 9781405194136, contends that this 18-year-old lady is neither Lady Jane Grey, nor Elizabeth Tudor, but, if a Dudley bride at all, it is Amy Robsart. It's got something to do with acorns and flowers (pp. 15-16, 295n.14). The book is great, except for the pictures -- they are dreadful (one flagrant misattribution inclusive). Buchraeumer (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't resist to be bold, and put this into Amy Robsart. We can move it further down if you find this too shocking, but I think having no lead pic is rather frustrating and people can read the footnote. I do personally think, Ives' suggestion is very convincing; the oak-connection would very much suggest Robert Dudley's bride, instead of Guilford's (Jane Grey), which is in turn made because of the gilly-flowers in the brother's Tower carving and the supposed flowers on the miniature (which Ives sees as cowslip). Robert Dudley, while a prisoner in the Tower, made a carving with an oaksprig over his initials. His brother John made another with four types of plants for all four brothers, one of them oakleaves for Robert and gilly-flowers for Guilford. In the Teerlinc miniature there are 2 acorns and an oakleave (sorry "OR", but easy to see in combination with the footnote in Amy Robsart). BTW, there is an excellent discussion about different likeness possibilities of Jane Grey in his book, just in case you are interested. Buchraeumer (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As long as you clearly qualify the status of the image, I won't quibble; it doesn't look a bit like Princess Elizabeth to me... - PKM (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Neither does it to me...nor to the webmaster whence you uploaded it: . They wonder about how much Elizabeth's nose changed between 1550 and 1565! But they say Roy Strong decided it was Elizabeth! But that seems to be out now. The Jane theory came from David Starkey (I wasn't aware that it was he). Dr. Edwards (User:PhDHistorian of old) castigates him on his site...he also comes very near Amy Robsart, but he hates the Dudley's, so he is peevishly silent...According to Ives, Mr. Christopher Foley has still other identifications of this miniature in Susan James: The Feminine Dynamic in English Art, 1485–1603 (2009). Everyman his own pic! Cheers. Buchraeumer (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha! I shall have to do some research on this. - PKM (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Steven van der Meulen
I found us another Steven van der Meulen for the collection. This one is John Farnham, a Gentleman-Pensioner to Elizabeth I of England, dated 1563. - PKM (talk) 02:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Leicester
A recently discovered portrait of Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester attributed to the medalist Steven van Herwijck on whom we have no article, which we must fix (there's a portrait of him by Anthonis Mor). It is thought that this portrait of Dudley is the original, and the other similar versions are copies. - PKM (talk) 04:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC) Added Mor's portrait of van Herwijck (right). Now this is interesting: Philip Mould asserts that Steven van der Meulen is Steven van Herwijck (http://www.philipmould.com/news.php note here), by which theory we deduce that the Leicester portait is van der Meulen, whom Mould believes to be van Herwijck... too complex for someone with a head cold... Or... this article from The British Art Journal suggests rather that Steven van der Meulen and Steven van Herwijck are two people, but the "famous paynter Steven" is van Herwijck (which solves the shrinkage of the body of work necessitated by the discovery of van der Meulen's will dated 1563). Gack. - PKM (talk) 05:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow!! I am excited, thank you for all those pics you find and upload, so amazing! Hope you feel better!! (please see above) Buchraeumer (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Re the Teerlinc, see reply to your comment above.
 * I have created Steven van Herwijck with a mere mention and citation of the "paynter Steven" angle until I can get some more info on this; as near as I can tell it's one article published in the British Art Journal by an employee or associate of the art dealer Philip Mould; so far I can't track down any commentary on the research though the theory is certainly intriguing. - PKM (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Rachel Wriothesley, Lady Russell
PKM, your help is needed. Do you have any pictures of Rachel Wriothesley, Lady Russell that you could upload to her article? I know there are 7 engraved portraits of her at the National Portrait Gallery. Thanks for your help.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have (and can't find) the miniature by Samuel Cooper, but I uploaded the 1853 engraving from the NPG. - PKM (talk) 17:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!The article looks much nicer now that you've uploaded the image, PKM.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I found a better one. - PKM (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's a much nicer image. Thanks again.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Your help required again
Hello, PKM. I've got another request for you. I need an image for Katherine FitzGerald, Viscountess Grandison. I know a portrait of her exists, as I have seen it. It was painted 1685/90 by a follower of Sir Peter Lely. Thank you for your help.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No immediate luck; will dig further. - PKM (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don;t have it. It is in this book, if anyone has a good library and a scanner to hand. - PKM (talk) 03:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to download the photo onto my computer but it didn't enter.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth's coronation procession
Hi! Happy holidays! This not important, but I have been seraching the Commons for this, but could nowhere find it (this has a bit more KB, but is from the same source). It is from the College of Arms, see here. In case you feel like it, perhaps you could upload it? I thought it might be used for Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester or some other articles (Robert is the last one behind Elizabeth, on horseback, "leading the palfrey of honour"; his brother Ambrose is directly behind her). I also hit on this version of the same procession, with the same people, only Ambrose and Lord Giles Paulet have changed places; Lord Robert is where he was. I had never seen it before and there was no specific info on the site, except that it was her coronation procession, 1559. The first one is a lovely drawing I think, in color! Happy wikibreak! Buchraeumer (talk) 18:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! File:Coronation Procession of Elizabeth I of England 1559.jpg. Happy New Year. - PKM (talk) 01:15, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * May I say thank you with this !! It fits somehow these days, eating them... I added the file to Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester and will look out for further applications... Happy break! Happy New Year!! Buchraeumer (talk) 13:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)