User talk:PKM/6 Nov 2007 - 12 Jan 2008

Lucas Horenbout
I've expanded him today & put him up (as by both of us) for DYK, so perhaps you could cast an eye .... Thanks, Johnbod 20:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do! - PKM 00:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Artists of the Tudor Court
I don't think it's quite long enough yet (1500 chars I think) but no doubt sonn will be. I've cut, pasted & tidied a huge chunk from de Critz to Serjeant Painter btw. I only did Sittow 3 days ago - serendipitous! Johnbod 22:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Great stuff - time for bed for me, so all yours. Did you see the unbreeched boy at geerhearts? Johnbod 03:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, my Waterhouse index misses them (under SP). Johnbod 03:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Certainly. I just gave 2 alt hooks, as it was too long - 200 chars visible, including spaces - they are rather strict, as I think you may remember from El Rancho thingy (Are you a Native Daughters of the Golden West by any chance - sounds fun!). Johnbod 20:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I see what you mean! Johnbod 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Artists of the Tudor court, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 21:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a brilliant article. I bow my shiny bald head down to you. SPECTRE is proud of you. keep up the great work!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     "Talk"? 22:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Textile printing
I'v started cleaning up textile printing to bring it into this century, but there is lots to do. If you read this page, I need your help! - PKM (talk) 20:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Queen of Scrots?


Many thanks. I was going to ask you about that. I've removed the attribution from the Elizabeth I of England page.

Is there enough on William Scrots for an article on him, by the way? Gaunt has a page and a half, though it contains little that is factual. Gaunt ascribes that Edward VI to Scrots, and not the young Bess one; but looking at the two, I would tend to side with Hearn that they are by the same painter.

The portrait of Henry Howard is a significant painting, in my opinion, being one of the few Mannerist paintings done in England; I don't know how strong the attribution to Scrots is. A good visual hook for a DYK on Scrots might be this distorted-head portrait of Edward VI: (the dimensions are probably too awkward, though).

I don't know much about the paintings of Elizabeth, but I hope to become informed about them over the next month or two as I try to improve the Elizabeth article. I need a better portrait for the infobox, because the Darnley portrait faces the wrong way. qp10qp (talk) 17:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've scrabbled together an article on William Scrots. Can't find any dates of birth and death, though I get the impression he came from Brussels. As always with these Tudor and Jacobean toshers, nothing is straightforward. The Howard painting may be a copy; the Edward VI may be by someone else, but a fair few sources, including the royal collection, attribute it to Scrots (and the collection attributes the Bess to Scrots). I've mentioned the Hearn view, but perhaps you could add a page number and put that book in the refs. Difficult to think of a DYK hook, but for me the most intriguing thing is that anamorphic picture. qp10qp (talk) 21:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, I didn't realise there was another one of Edward (I thought the one you linked me to was it, cut off at the legs). I'm confused now, though; does Hearn say that the young Elizabeth and the Edward in France are on the same wood? I had convinced myself that the the Elizabeth and the English Edward were by the same painter. So what is the critical status of the latter (Edward VI as Prince of Wales)? Is Hearn questioning this one but supporting the other? As yet, we haven't mentioned this one in the article, though the gallery unashamedly attributes it to Scrots (but my four history books don't; they don't discuss why, unfortunately, since they are just illustrating). Thanks for your great edits. qp10qp (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, cheers. What a relief, my eyes haven't let me down. This now makes sense: we don't picture either the young Liz or the featured Edward because of the doubts that they were by Scrots. So far (hoping to find out some more), I think this is appropriately cautious.


 * Yes, that one is very sharpened: I haven't seen that picture in any books yet, or I'd scan it in. I like the way you've lined it up with the distorted one, though. I hope to find an undistorted view of it: I think readers would find the comparison fun. qp10qp (talk) 17:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, yes, that's a corking hook! Oh, and congratulations on finding that picture. It's a lovely one, as well (apart from he's got different size shoes on). Kudos!! qp10qp (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Tilt
Excellent! I was hoping someone would. I don't know too much about them, but no doubt that won't stop me. I just have to get Louis XIV properly off to bed. Johnbod (talk) 20:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject Textile Arts
Hi, the project seems to be pretty quiet these days. Are you and I the only active ones on it? Durova Charge! 17:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

William Segar
Wow, well done! I remember thinking we needed an article on him.



Oh, and I've bagged me a second-hand copy of Hearn, having got the idea from all your refs to it. What a wonderful source it is! It made me think, not for the first time, that we should have an article on the Unknown Man in a Black Cap, by John Bettes (the elder). Unless my faculties deceive me, that is one of the greatest English court portraits of the sixteenth century. I'm also thinking about knocking up an article on Robert Peake: he tends to be thought of as mediocre, it seems, but for me his portraits of Princess Elizabeth are haunting. I'm not sure whether he is just a gauche painter, but somehow the gaucheness of Elizabeth and also of Prince Charles in the red portrait at Cambridge makes me empathise with them as vulnerable children ill-at-ease in their finery—not a feeling I ever get with the portraits of Edward VI by Scrots and co. A hard little guy was Edward, methinks. qp10qp (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes,well done! I'll see what I can add in a few days - at the moment I'm busy with Raphael, where the problem is too much information rather than too little. Johnbod (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Bah...who cares about portrait painters. All the good stuff has to do with heraldry. I've also added a request to the DYK page.--Eva b d  20:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Image sizing
You might be interested in this discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts & this experiment Qp too. Johnbod (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Nativity
Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Meninas - yes I added it

History of clothing and textiles
Unfortunately I have very few references for the early stuff - I have been looking for them for the printing side side of things for some time. I think China & Egypt usually tend to hog the limelight at the expense of India. Cotton has good stuff but is unreferenced. To read history of silk you would hardly think the ancient indians made the stuff, which they certainly did. I will add bits on the medieval period later. Johnbod (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter
I sent this out today to the people who had signed up for our project. We may get a fourth participant next week to collaborate toward a DYK on Biblical clothing laws. It should be exciting: he reads Hebrew and can do his own translations.

Word of mouth seems to be working better than DYK placement for drawing in new people. My hope is the newsletter will lure back a couple of the old members - when people see things are happening they tend to get more interested. Plenty of regular wikignome work needs doing. I'll also try to get Navajo rug up to GA and keep a steady trickle of DYKs - two or three newsletter-worthy things a month should be enough for that purpose. Thanks so much for sticking around: it's much easier to revive a project starting from two than going it alone. Happy new year, Durova Charge! 01:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

John Michael Wright
Happy New Year! Did you see the new Wright article? Johnbod (talk) 13:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Robert Peake the Elder
I've finally put a Peake article up. I've indulged myself by sticking that glorious Elizabeth of Bohemia at the top, because I just love it (I want that dress for curtains); and I have to thank you for uploading it, or I'd probably never have met it! I've put some issues up on the talk page, which I wonder if you'd be kind enough to have a look at—particularly about that "unknown lady" you uploaded (I'm sure it's a Peake, but the date seems stylistically wrong to me). qp10qp (talk) 04:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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