User talk:PKT/Archive 2022

Nomination of List of Canadian winners on the PGA and LPGA Tours for deletion
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 * I had a feeling that the list might not last in article space. Oh well, I tried it.......  PK  T (alk)  21:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

AfD for Ontario Old Roman Catholic Church
Hello! Due to your comment here, I notice you I have opened an AfD at Articles for deletion/Ontario Old Roman Catholic Church. Veverve (talk) 02:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up !   PK  T (alk)  21:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Service Award
Hello,

I was looking at your user page and clicked on the wikilink for your Grandmaster Editor FC service award (just to see how many edits it took). Not sure if you were aware, but its no longer jumping to the right spot on the Service awards page. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * - LOL, they changed the danged templates!!! Thanks for letting me know - it's a silly little WikiFeature but I think it's kinda fun, so I've updated accordingly.  Cheers!   PK  T (alk)  18:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

List of soccer stadiums in Canada & Warrior Field
Hi, thanks for your recent edit. Canadian stadium lists (List of stadiums in Canada, List of Canadian football stadiums by capacity, etc.) use permanent capacity (ie. the number of actual seats that are not removable or temporary), not total capacity. I would think that this is the case at List of soccer stadiums in Canada also? 162 etc. (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, OK - I see what you mean, and I agree with the number and the comment. One other thing, though - the list has to be re-numbered now that #26 is down in the 60's.  Cheers,  PK  T (alk)  19:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ... PK T (alk)  12:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Merger discussion for University of Windsor Students' Alliance
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;University of Windsor Students' Alliance&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. RoyalObserver (talk) 12:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

GOCE April 2022 newsletter
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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
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At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

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June GOCE newsletter
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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
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At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
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Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
 * TIP – New school articles

There is a new template available,, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
 * Misc

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Reassessment
I just saw your response when you archived a request I'd made in 2019 to assess a page, and I got a good laugh -- after taking that article to GA I definitely retract the request for a wikiproject to reassess it! - Astrophobe  (talk) 13:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * LOL! Yeah, having had a look at what's in there, I'm going to have to adopt that list and clean it up a bit.  Regards,  PK  T (alk)  13:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Lamb v Benoit
I see that you removed the stub templates from that article. Do you think it's not a stub, then, or is something else is wrong with the templates somehow? I've noticed that some of my stubs have had the stub templates removed lately and it's causing me to question if they're what people would typically describe as stubs. Clover moss (talk) 11:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey Clovermoss - howya doing? I was rather on the fence about whether the article is a stub or start class, but I landed on 'start' because it's got a reasonable amount of referencing and depth, IMHO.  There's still more that could be done with it, of course, but to me it has enough 'meat on the bone' to raise it above stub class.  You're free to re-evaluate it, of course!  Cheers,  PK  T (alk)  12:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In regards to real life, things could be better but I'm getting by. A lot of my stubs are like this so the main reason I was asking was for broader applicability, I guess. What are your thoughts on Toponym'elles? Would you say that's also not a stub because it's more substantial? There's a full list at User:Clovermoss/Content if you feel like going through it (I create articles from redirects sometimes so xtools isn't nessecarily accurate). There's one I would definitely think of as a stub, but I'm not sure about the rest of my "stubs" now. Clover moss  (talk) 12:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmmm....I'd say Toponym'elles is still just a bit on the stub side. If a partial list of locations renamed under the initiative were added to the article, it would reach start class. Again, that's just my opinion. You might want to read through WP:STUB, if you haven't done so already, to get an idea of what wiser minds than mine have written about the subject.  Regards,  PK  T (alk)  12:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @PKT I have but it's been awhile. I'd say my mental gauge of what qualifies as a stub is right, then. Maybe it's just a bit more strict than your mental definition but I can see why someone would think of Lamb v Benoit as kind of not stubby. A long-term goal of mine is to expand all those articles, create more where I've noticed gaps and improve basically everything related to the Niagara Region. I also want to improve Jehovah's Witnesses-related topics like Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada, etc.

I take photographs of local landmarks like the Burgoyne Bridge when I can. There's so many articles that people haven't edited in years that's it's kind of overwhelming sometimes to think of all the things I could do. Even just tackling something like St. Catharines like I've been trying to do lately is a massive undertaking in and of itself. Clover moss (talk) 17:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Nice photo of the bridge! You're right in that there's a lot that can be done, but one person can only do so much.  Nobody's expecting any of us to do more than we can, so don't stress about it.  Besides, we're not getting paid for what we're doing (unless you worked out a deal that I didn't :)  ) The fact that we're doing whatever we can to benefit to the Wikipedia project is good stuff.  Regards,  PK  T (alk)  20:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @PKT Thanks, I think it's one of the best photographs I've ever tried to upload to Commons. As for editing... nope, I'm in the same boat as you. Yeah doing whatever we can to improve Wikipedia is obviously the goal... I guess sometimes I think about the scale of everything I want to do and go "there's a lot that could be done", y'know? Makes me wonder how editors from areas with even worse Wikipedia coverage feel. I once ran across an editor who used to live in St. Catharines years ago and it was great to know I'm not like the only one ever. I want to physically attend Wikimania one of these days, but apparently the closest local one this year is in New York? I'm still waiting on my passport so that's incredibly unlikely. Clover moss  (talk) 22:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
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After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


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 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


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NPP Award for 2020
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NPP Award for 2019
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Harry Potter
I reverted your edit to University of Exeter Halls of Residence because you indicated "I removed a statement that indicated Harry Potter (fictional character) resided there", but it was Rowling who resided there, not Potter. --Bduke (talk) 00:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * OK, but the statement has two issues: (1) "author J.K. Rowling" is sufficient and there's no need to mention Harry Potter, and (2) there's still no reference to support the statement. However, I was just travelling through, I'm not losing sleep over this...... PK  T (alk)  01:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

NPP Award for 2018
Here is a barnstar to show appreciation for the NPP reviews you did back in 2018. We realize this is late, but NPP fell behind in some coordination activities. We have just caught up with giving out deserved barnstars. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter
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