User talk:PLM Alumni

Dear Peripitus
I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone, Mr. Peripitus. Just edited out of my love for my university - PLM. Naturally, I'd be inclined to edit or contribute to articles that are close to my heart. PLM Alumni (talk) 10:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Reviewing admin - please note that the blocking admin (me) hass added the unblock template for independant review. For my assessment I see the same subject edits to the same articles as blocked User:Magwayen and various other's so far tagged as part of a banned user's collection. Looking at the log+edits for this account is enlightening - Peripitus (Talk) 11:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

On same subject edits on same articles
Information about PLM is quite limited on the world wide web, and for this reason, people who might be editing the same set or related articles would probably have the same references or citations. It is very likely that the references I have are also the same sets that those blocked editors might have.

For instance, as an alumnus, I would be inclined to edit the List of the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila people because I want to showcase to everyone that PLM is producing leaders and achievers like every educational institution is commissioned to do. Moreover, you see that I have edited the "infobox" as well as placed "additional infos" at the lead section; seeing the article about my university reduced to mere 2 paragraphs prompted me from locating possible online sources to expand it. As a "die-hard" and "proud" alumnus of PLM, I would be inclined to contribute information that every person at PLM knows.

To distinguish between a legitimate user and a possible/actual sock is a good thing, and I'm supporting this quest for the truth. I want to be "free" from editing for the love of my alma mater (my university called PLM).

I am hoping that you could join me Mr.Peripitus in expanding the articles about PLM, using the same articles and websites located via Google searches.

My edits are done in good faith, with no harm intended on anyone.

PLM Alumni (talk) 11:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're not fooling anyone Richard. You've been given numerous chances to stop this...last time you were given a chance, you couldn't even go a whole week without using sockpuppets. Reviewing admins may want to read some of Richard's most recent comments from his last unblock review. OhNo itsJamie  Talk

On specific edits

 * 1) User:Jayron32, can you list down MY specific edits that you think are similar to that of the banned user?
 * 2) The truth is, the information seen here or used to be here at Wikipedia can also be found in WikiPilipinas, NationEncyclopedia and other sites. There is also the existence of other Wikipedia projects in Tagalog and other languages (Spanish, etc.) that basically consist of similar or identical infos.
 * SEE: http://en.wikipilipinas.org/index.php?title=Pamantasan_ng_Lungsod_ng_Maynila


 * 1) The City of Manila website and a PLM-related site even copied the now-deleted article about PLM Main Campus. I had known of that because the City of Manila website specifically cited "Wikipedia" as its source of information. I also happened to browse on it here at Wikipedia when it was still an existing article.
 * SEE: http://www.manila.gov.ph/plm.htm
 * SEE: http://plm.php0h.com/?page_id=36
 * SEE: http://wapedia.mobi/en/University_of_the_City_of_Manila
 * SEE: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/University_of_the_City_of_Manila


 * 1) I have read on the articles there, and those are actually valid and real information. I know that this is valid because I'm from PLM, and there are a number of online verifiable sources from which these infos were derived. Yes, I have browsed on these articles about PLM on legitimate and well-known online newspaper sites, such as Manila Bulletin, Manila Times, and Philippine Daily Inquirer (probably the same sources of information where the banned user got its infos). They basically talk the same thing or idea about PLM; and, if I'm going to paraphrase it, it would have more or less the same "idea" of the subject. Some "idea" are even difficult to put in other words because it would skew the meaning, relevance, context of a paragraph describing a certain event or fact.


 * 1) Beta Mu Sigma, for instance, is a group to which I affiliated with in community projects during my college

years. Thus, I was keen in adding information about the subject.


 * 1) I know this blocking policy is merely part of the process that you devise to ensure that the rules are followed. I'm innocent of the charges against me.


 * 1) I have added the template here to signal to other admins to review my case.


 * 1) Let's expand the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila articles.

PLM Alumni (talk) 15:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This is all irrelevant. You have clearly exhausted the community's patience. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 16:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Clarification

 * The truth is, I'm not Richard Relucio, whom you claimed to have exhausted your patience.
 * I'm a PLM alumnus, who merely wants to expand the articles about PLM. It just so happened that I edited the same articles, subjects or provided data/info from exactly the same set of "limited" sources about PLM that that particular person might have contributed partly; thus, arousing suspicion from you. My edits should rather be taken in a good light, and in good faith; I'm here not as an instrument of anyone, but I am here as a concerned alumnus aiming goodwill to everyone.
 * The URL/weblinks above are examples of websites that "copied" the articles that what you called "banned user" probably edited. Examining the information provided in these websites, a researcher/contributor/editor would see them as "valid sources" for they were truly derived from reliable third-party references. Any person who would perhaps plan, in the future, to edit PLM articles would naturally use Yahoo or Google search engines, and they will surely come across with these websites (with copied articles). Naturally, these people would be influenced, in part or whole, by these "copied" articles that once upon a time were published at Wikipedia.

Concern

 * I'm concerned that the improvement of the articles about PLM will be jeopardized because people who would like to contribute greatly to further its standards, breadth and scope are suspected as someone he or she is actually not. This might discourage PLMayers (people from PLM) from actually participating for the article's development.

PLM Alumni (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Professors usually don't allow Wikipedia as a reference anyway. None of this is germane to the subject of unblocking you. OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Innocence versus suspicion
Yes, right. Professors will never use it as a reference and people perceive it as a "hobby" or "blog" material. To me, however, it still is an encyclopedia and rules must be followed.

I would like to tell you that I'm innocent of what you have charged me with and that I'm never Richard. My name is Clark.

I have not violated any rules at Wikipedia. The limitation of the sources of information available on the Internet would make it appear as if I have the same specific edits to that of the banned user. I'll seek for the format and manner of writing of "featured" and "good" articles to help me edit better.

PLM Alumni (talk) 09:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)