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Thank you for uploading Image:Chin-Ning-Chu.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. See Image copyright tags for a list of copyright tags that you can use. Thank you. Jtkiefer T - 19:32, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Ong boon hua
You created the page Ong boon hua as a "see also" link to Chin Peng. The way to do this is:


 * 1) REDIRECT Chin Peng

This will take the reader who clicks on Ong boon hua directly to Chin Peng. Try it. And thanks for contributing. DES 15:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Stella (film)
The English of the article is in need of improvement; for example: "It has been said that the story of Stella's forced marriage insinuates the forces that are constantly trying to impose their will on Greece." (That's not only grammatically incorrect, but it's also vague; said by whom?) I'll work on it when I can.

Merit
Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Rob Church 00:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't quite recall the case in question, but if you were genuinely editing, I do apologise; feel free to revert my edit and work from your version. Of course, we get so much vandalism that it was a knee-jerk response. Anyway, no problems, and welcome to the Wikipedia! Rob Church 13:05, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Not all vandalism comes from anonymous users. And not all anonymous users are vandals. Rob Church 02:08, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
The problem was that, although you removed the "copyedit" template, you did virtually nothing to copy-edit the article. Rather, you changed the Wiki-coding and style, almost wholly wrongly: you capitalised headings (see MoS), you placed punctuation inside quotation marks (see (MoS), you changed correct links to incorrect (e.g., Gary, Indiana &rarr; Gary Indiana), you Wikilinked a host of years and names that had been linked before (and recently), you added incorrect links (e.g., keyboards and platinum), you removed correct style (e.g. The Making of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" &rarr; The Making of Michael Jackson's Thriller), etc., etc.

I've looked at your contributions, and have seen that this is part of a pattern; you remove "copyedit" templates without having done the required work, and often having introduced new errors. Please stop "copy-editing"; if you want to edit Wikipedia, add content, and let other people tidy up after you. Eventually, if you pay attention, and read the relevant documentation, you might be in a position to Wikify" articles, but your English would have to improve considerably if you were to copy-edit satisfactorily. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:17, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

edit counter
hi. i think most people are interested particularly in the total number of edits (even if it is meaningless :). however, i've added also the count of distinct pages edited. &mdash;kate

Gerbillus
PM Poon, I see you are working on trying to clean up some of the Gerbillus species pages. I just wanted to point out that there's a general template for listing the taxonomy of an animal, taxoboxes, that should aid in any future wikification of this sort. I have reformatted Gerbillus burtoni using a standardized taxobox. If you have any plans to continue on all those Gerbillus pages (something I'd definitely encourage but understand if you get bored), just cut and paste the code at the top of G. burtoni and make changes where appropriate. This would sit more with wikipedia standards. I hope I've caught you before you get too far. --Aranae 06:05, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks great. Someone had created unwikified pages for all 60-something members of the genus and its great to see that getting cleaned up.  --Aranae 13:16, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Titles and Ranks in links to names
Please stop including titles and particularly military ranks within links. This is not the standard Wikipedia way of doing things. Philip Baird Shearer 00:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

English
I thought that you'd agreed that your English wasn't really up to copy-editing; in the case of Indonesian philosophy you left in spelling mistakes (such as "indigenious") and dodgy grammar (such as odd usage of "contents"). --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * How many mistakes do you think that it's OK to leave in a short article before the "copyedit" template" has to be left on? --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 20:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I've little idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid, nor why you should feel sick. Why should I want to revert the article? --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 20:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

World's Oldest Dams
Good work on the edit of World's Oldest Dams. I like the reorganization that you've done, it flows very well now. -Mr. Bene 16:55 September 7 2005 (UTC)

Mass changes
Please don't make so many changes en masse as you did at Rape. Because the "diff" facility doesn't work well in comparing versions whose structure has been changed, I'm having to go through your changes one by one, and I've already found:
 * a sentence whose meaning you completely changed
 * headers that you capitalized when WP:MOS calls for exactly the opposite
 * a wikilink that you added that simply redirects right back to the same article
 * turned into a quotation a phrase that wasn't one
 * needlessly capitalized a wikilink when the article title is not capitalized, making it go through a redirect pointlessly.

It is a matter of both practicality and politeness to introduce major edits at a slower pace, allowing people the time to evaluate (and if necessary, correct) your edits. Please take this into account. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Malay roy Choudhury
You removed the "copyedit" template from this article, but I'm afraid that I've had to replace it. The English is still very strange in places (even the title was wrongly capitalised; I'm just changing that). --Phronima 21:25, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

To move an article, use "move". You certainly shouldn't cut and paste to a new location (that fragments the History). I've done that, but the "copyedit" tag has to go on again; your changes seem to have introduced as many errors as you've corrected. For example, the second sentence of the summary now reads: "His literary works has been reviewed by sixty critics, the details of which appeared in "HAOWA 49"; the verb is singular when it should be plural, and the "which" in the second clause doesn't make grammatical sense. The next sentence should be simple past rather than present perfect.  Another example: "Choudhury was to the "Hungryalist Movement" as what Stéphane Mallarmé was to Symbolism". Phronima 17:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I was a bit surprised at the tone of your comments. First, it was "quiet from my end" because, like many editors, I don't have time to edit very often. As you let less than 48 hours elapse, I think that you were being rather impatient.  Secondly, as a native speaker it's slightly odd to be lectured in English by someone who obviously isn't, especially when he's wrong — of course "works" is plural. Thirdly, no, I'm not anyone else, and I haven't taught English as a Foreign Language (though I am interested in languages in general, and in English in particular). Looking at your other interactions, above, I assume that I know which editor you're talking about — though your behaviour towards most editors who point out your mistakes seems to be as aggressive as it has been towards me. --Phronima 17:09, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * WI've looked at my comments above, and I can't see anything wrong with the tone. Also, "works" is only treated as a singular when it's part of the title of a book (because the refeence is to the book, not the works) or when it's used to refer to a factory; in this context it certainly can't be singular.  Anyway, I've copyedited the article, so perhaps that could be an end to it. --Phronima 17:53, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Phronima, just to convince you that the use of the word, "works", in the singular is not merely confined to what you have itemised, and could mean more than that, I am appending a sampling of the 18,100 websites that Google finds, using the keywords, "his works has":
 * UNESCO Address of Celaleddin Bakir Celebi We witness that since seven centuries the impact of his works has been perpetuating. As displayed here the works of various nations substantiate well what ... http://www.mevlana.net/celebi/unesco_address.htm


 * Tadao Ando, Architect: The Co-existence of Technology and Nature His policy about his works has the message for us and is strongly connected with every works. Ando suggests that "Maintaining an attitude of resistance ... http://www.tsujiru.net/compass/compass_1998/reg/satoh_michimoto_1.htm


 * CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Hugh of St. Victor A careful examination of his works has led to a truer appreciation of one whom Harnack (History of Dogma, tr. London, 1899, VI, 44) terms "the most ... http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07521c.htm


 * Classical Music - Andante - Gustav Mahler The unfathomable complexity of his works has given rise to countless essays, studies, dissertations, articles and books. ... http://www.andante.com/profiles/Mahler/MahlerIntro.cfm


 * Art Ireland Press Release In his case the surface most often explored in his works has been in relation to the sea. Sinister depths are mollified by filmy liquid layers in Leonard's ... http://www.artvitae.com/shared/library/DunamaisePR.htm

I believe it is not necessary to list more than the above, but if you need more convincing, please click here. &mdash; PM Poon 18:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * In your first example the subject of the singular verb is "impact", in the second it's "policy", in the third it's "examination", in the fourth it's "complexity", and in the fifth it's "surface". In none of them is "works" treated as a singular noun. --Phronima 18:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Any grammatical mistake can be found on the Internet. Showing that other people make the same mistake isn't enough; you'd have to find a citation for the usage — and you won't, because it's wrong. Why are you spending so much time on this trivial matter?  --Phronima 19:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Do I think that, as a native English speaker, I'm able to spot typing or grammatical errors in other people's work? Yes. Do I think that I'm in a position to correct the English on a Swedish website? Yes. If another editor spotted a mistake that I'd made and politely corrected it, would I go on and on about it, insisting that I was right? No. Please drop this; you seem interested only in insulting me, and although that doesn't bother me in itself, it's getting irritating. --Phronima 21:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

You seem unable to leave a message that isn't full of insult and hostility. It doesn't matter how many examples of typing or grammatical mistakes you find, they don't change the facts about English grammar. --Phronima 12:40, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


 * In the Britannica example, the subject of the singular verb is "number". I followed the British Council link, and the text you quote wan't there; when I found it it was quite obvious that "works" was a typing mistake for "work".
 * Yes, anyone would confirm that it's easier to copyedit someone else's work than one's own; that goes without saying.
 * You cite one remark of mine that could be taken to be impolite (though I think that it's oversensitive to do so), and you think that that justifies the stream of sarcasm and abuse that you've filled my Talk page with? --Phronima 15:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks like this discussion was long over. Anyway, I'd like to put in 2 cents worth and say that in all the above instances, "his works" was merely a modifier of another singular object, ex. the impact (of his works) has; the complexity (of his works) has; etc. I put the phrase "his works" in parentheses to show that they can be removed anytime from the main phrase (and thus are modifiers) without changing the meaning or introducing grammatical errors. Don Diego 12:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Exactly. I'm glad you grasped the concept. :) Don Diego 11:09, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

About Mel
I see you've had your share of problems with Al Capone. Here's your chance to make a difference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Mel_Etitis

Don't let the bad guys get to you! :) --Anittas 15:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Nobel women
Hi, just stopping by to thank you for the great additions you've made to the female Nobel winners article. --nixie 02:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Anadarko
By all means, feel free to rewrite the Anadarko Petroleum Corporation article and drag it out of copyvio hell. No need to ask me, but thank you just the same. DS 23:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Ahh, I just read Anadarko Petroleum Corporation/Temp (and made a few minor changes to your sentence structure). Good work. DS 12:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Korean automobile
Nice work, PM Poon. The article's actually readable now! I especially like the paragraphs you added near the top. --AnOddName 03:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Habermas
Good addition to Habermas article. Jeremy J. Shapiro 20:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Your work on Between Facts and Norms is terrific. Don't you want to create a link to this in the Habermas article? (By the way, I would date the origin of discourse ethics as earlier than 1990, but it's a trivial point -- sometime I'll look it up.) Jeremy J. Shapiro 21:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I studied with Habermas and was the first English-language translator of his books. Jeremy J. Shapiro 04:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't understand your reason for why you shouldn't be editing the Betweem Facts and Norms article. Please clarify. Jeremy J. Shapiro 07:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

First of all, I don't know this aspect of Habermas yet as well as some of his earlier work. Second, the "Beyond Facts and Norms" article is in so much better shape than some other articles I'm involved in that I'm not going to worry about it in the immediate future. Third, the main Habermas article itself is still weak in laying out of some of his fundamental ideas and contributions, so with regard to Habermas I'm going to concentrate more on that. If it were all at the level of the "Beyond Facts and Norms" article, I'd be happier. Jeremy J. Shapiro 12:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I love the way you made that "special thanks" section of your User page. You must be a great person. Jeremy J. Shapiro 21:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I didn't even expect a reply -- and I tend to assume that everyone is so busy that in any case one would expect a prompt reply only about urgent stuff about Wikipedia articles. Two things about your note: 1) I think your special thanks section (and I am touched to be included in it) is great even if you don't have time to keep it up to date -- you could add a statement that you don't have time to update it regularly;  2)  about hostility in the environment -- I have only encountered a bit of it,, but I have a hypothesis about it. I don't know if any social research as been conducted about Wikipedia and its members/editors, but I bet that a large majority of them are male, and I associate the particular type of hostility or conflict I've seen on Wikipedia with male behavior and male culture. So even though almost all Wikipedia editors are actually co-operating rather than competing or in combat, some of the atmosphere and feeling-tone of male competitive and combative culture sometimes creeps in. In any case, that's my hypothesis. Jeremy J. Shapiro 01:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Putting references in external links is? deprecated
Wikipedia is transitioning from less source/reference oriented to moreso. Cite sources states

"External links" and "Further reading" sections
==External links== sections are not used for referencing the content of an article. The sources of the article content are placed in the references section. Where there is a references section, it makes sense to call the external links section "further reading," because the references section may also contain external links.

The ==Further reading== section is placed after the references section and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic, but which haven't been used as sources for the article. WAS 4.250 15:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Wow. I'm blown away
I just reviewed your contributions and I'm blown away. I've never seen so many wonderful contributions from someone new to wikipedia combined with such a fantastic attitude. I was going to say something about Mel and his friends (see Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/FuelWagon 2) but with your great attitude they won't be any trouble at all. They could learn something from you. You are a very fast learner with great American English (Mel can't distinguish American English from bad English). You may wish to review Featured articles to see the best of the best so you can copyedit better than Mel. You'll note the careful sourcing and referencing style. As for me, I'm too old, tired and disillusioned to put the kind of energy you do into wikipedia. None-the-less I do what I can. Thank you for the time and energy you've put into helping the whole world through wikipedia. May I close with a quote from Wikipedia's founder? He is describing you. ''"Remember what we are doing here. We are building a free encyclopedia for every single person on the planet. We are trying to do it in an atmosphere of fun, love, and respect for others. We try to be kind to others, thoughtful in our actions, and professional in our approach to our responsibilities." Jimbo Wales 16:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC) '' WAS 4.250 01:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Penang
Hi PM Poon, I've just noticed your edits to the Penang article. A few points that I'd like to note down here:

Firstly, I'm pretty much sure that the capital of Penang is spelled George Town rather than Georgetown. It's reflected on Wikipedia, atlases and even The Star itself.

Secondly, Image:Penang map.jpg actually is not needed. Maps need to be consistant with other articles on states like Selangor and Sarawak. The current map isn't really informative, doesn't have copyright info, though a better but consistant map would still be needed anyways.

Thirdly, the images that you've uploaded has no copyright info and will be subjected to deletion within a few days in accordance with Wikipedia's policy.

Fourthly, deletion of links to images that have proper copyright info for use on Wikipedia may be considered to be edits made in bad faith. Please refrain any deletion of these types.

If are not able to give a good explanation, I'm afraid that your edits might have to be reverted. Regards, Andylkl (talk) 08:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Both spellings are widely used, I know. But it seems that George Town is preferred in authorative sources such as atlases and Encarta. Even the local municipal council uses both. I guess it's accepted as an alternative spelling, but the George Town article remains at its current title and that should also be reflected in any other links that link to it. --Andylkl (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The "pretty much sure" indicates it was a personal opinion. I would've used stronger words had I been 100% sure. :)


 * No, I don't believe that the article title is sacred, but I believe that edits made should be followed as accurately as possible. To be honest I'm not one of those stubborn editors who guard their pages over every single edit, and reverts isn't one of my most favourite things to do (unless it's reverting vandalism), since revert wars aren't a pretty sight.


 * Anyways, back on topic, there surely is a way to find out over the correct name of the city. The problem with those sources is that the usage of either name in addresses or in context is rather lax, the usage of either spelling to them isn't a big deal if compared to the spelling of important officials or the number of zeroes in a document. ;)


 * Actually the Penang Government website does use the name George Town in its webstite: "The Jelutong Expressway (JEway) is a Penang State Government privatisation project. The expressway will stretch across the eastern coastline of George Town for a distance of 4.8 km from Jalan Tengku Kudin to Pengkalan Weld." &mdash;


 * I wouldn't suggest using links for links, tit-for-tat approaches to a discussion like this. I've gotten myself involved in one such similar debate on another topic before and the outcome was fruitless. (Changing position again) The fact now is that authorative sources uses both spellings. So now what do you suggest? --Andylkl (talk) 20:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Penang map
Thanks for addressing the points mentioned in my message. I appreciate it very much that you took part of your time in doing it. Regarding the maps, I agree it's opinionated but my ideal map would be something in the lines of between the CIA Factbook maps and a detailed map of the island and part of the mainland, like the second map in the link you provided.

Wikipedia is playing it safe in not welcoming images with licences under freeuse. I don't think Wikipedia's position would ever be stable again if eventually someone sues them over an issue like this. They can't afford to be sued.

Since you've mentioned that you have experiences in copyright issues, I'd like to invite you to share your opinions here over the use of album covers in articles and fairuse issues. Debate there has been brewing for quite some time already.

In regards to bad faith edits, I certainly do not accuse you of doing any bad faith edits with intention, but those edits may be misinterpreted as being "bad faith", "vandalism" and et cetera by others, since deletion without reason does give the impression of bad faith edits. I apologise if I may have made the wrong impression of accusing you.

I'll be retiring to bed now, and will resume discussion tomorrow if you wish to do so. Regards, Andylkl (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Dialogue
I have been appreciating our dialogue. Thanks for your account of your experiences of being criticized in what sounds like a harsh manner. Although I haven't encountered anything so extreme yet myself, I have noticed how easy it is for people to be highly critical rather than welcoming and encouraging toward one another -- it seems more noteworthy when it seems to be about minor points.

My hat is off to you for your translation project. Having translated a fair amount in my life, I know that it is a challenging, absorbing, and time-consuming activity, and one in which one can sometimes feel that it's impossible to do it according to one's wishes or standards. I wish you success in that project. Jeremy J. Shapiro 06:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Klerck1.jpg
''This image has no source information. This means that it has an unknown copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided and a source is given, the image will be deleted seven days after the template was added.''

Additionaly you should choose a more descriptive image name. Cool Cat Talk 13:57, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for informing me. Please delete image. Thank you. &mdash; PM Poon 01:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? It would please me more if the image did sutvive. Do you recall where you got it from? -- Cool Cat Talk 12:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat, actually I was merely improving on the image, "Klerck.jpg", as stated in my notation. I did say the following: "Improvement of Klerck.jpg (currently in en:Wikipedia) using photoshop". The composition of the original image was, in my opinion, bad in that it had too much headroom. In any case, I am getting so much less attached to Wikipedia these days that I don't really care what they do to my contributions, LOL. &mdash; PM Poon 01:50, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I am not a deletionist. I think we can argue of a fair-use. The images Image:Klerck.jpg and Image:Klerck1.jpg look about the same. Can you tell my untrained eyses the diference? Is it sharper?
 * I understand that, I have also been dealing with rather annoying personalities on wiki, though I have no idea what your dispute is. I encourage you to stay with us. -- Cool Cat Talk 09:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat, you wrote: "The images Image:Klerck.jpg and Image:Klerck1.jpg look about the same. Can you tell my untrained eyses the diference? Is it sharper?"

Please go to the webpage: "Image:Klerck.jpg", and look at the file history. The original version, at the bottom, reads:


 * (del) (rev) 18:33, 4 July 2005 . . Dougmilbourne . . 113x150 (14482 bytes) (Kevin "Klerck" Ealy)

If you press on the date field, you will see the original version, where there is a lot of empty space above the guy's head.

I am actually a Photoshop enthusiast. Whenever I see any pictures that can benefit from Photoshop, I will improve on it. Unfortunately, when I used the "Upload a new version of this file" feature, it never seems to work. I recently found out that it does actually work, although not instanteously (I wonder why). That explains why I uploaded, using the "new version" feature twice. When it did not seem to work, I downloaded the image, using Klerck1.jpg, a new file name, and it works instanteously.

As for your kind encouragement, I must thank you very much. Since you are very candid with me, I will be very candid with you. Honestly, as a foreigner, I feel discriminated against by a few British and I am really cheesed off by them. I have stopped contributing for quite many days now as I am now in another website where my contributions are more appreciated. However, I will still drop by once a while. Thank you again for your encouragement. &mdash; PM Poon 11:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm, for disputes we have a dispute resolution process. It is slow, but it works. I also suffer from the special care of some people.
 * I know wikipedia could use more photoshop entusiasts.
 * Additionaly, I encourage you to take a look at Counter Vandalism Unit, no one complains about people reverting vandalism (aside from some vadals of whom are dealt with swiftly and with equal apathy).
 * -- Cool Cat Talk 12:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh about the uplaoding image over existing one thing, your computer has a chache (so that you dont redownload images on pages as images on web page almost never change on general). Ctrl+f5 on Ie or firefox will refresh it. Furthermore wikipedia servers are sometimes slow so it takes time for the image you uploaded to be distributed/applied. -- Cool Cat Talk 12:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you note
Hi Cool Cat, you are really cool. Honestly, I was surprised when you notified me of your intention to delete Klerck1.jpg. "Normally", no one does that, they just delete, which is fine to me too. What I didn't like is when some administrators or editors start throwing their weight around. I feel that in a community portal, administrators must double up as counsellors and not as hooligans, LOL. You have a high dose of EQ and I wish you well. &mdash; PM Poon 21:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not an administrator and I can delete the files though I generaly try to get templates to be marked to be sourced so they get tagged properly than risk getting deleted. I generally deal with vandalism since the users that cause me stress otherwise dont seem to interfere with it. -- Cool Cat Talk 22:09, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Reply
I have replied to your message on my talk page here. Feel free to delete this message once you've read it. Gflores Talk 15:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Favor
I need photoshop tallent. :)

I want an image that looks like (design with 3 golden circles etc): And like (which is too wide):

What do you think? -- Cool CatTalk 01:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Basicaly I want the blue wings of the first image replaced with wings of the image below altered (bent upwards) to look like the first one. -- Cool CatTalk 01:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Winged logo
Hi, Cool Cat. Photoshop is a graphic program, and doesn't take drawing too well. In any case, I have tried my best to draw your requirement, and if it is not good enough, maybe you ought to find someone who uses a vector program. &mdash; PM Poon 19:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It is great. However I ask for a few minor modifications if possible, please. Its my fault because I perhaps did not describe it well. Sorry for the extra hassle in advance :(


 * Firstly the wings look great. The golden rigs are pointing in the wrong direction. Aside from that are perfect (see above comparasion).
 * Also notice the small redish rings.
 * Aside from those minor points it is perfect.
 * Thank you for your prompt response and efforts, honestly I wasnt expecting to hear from you for at least for a week :) -- Cool CatTalk 20:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat, the original red is more like purple. However, this red seems to be too bright and contrasting. If you have any preference, please give me the hexadecimal color code and I shall change it accordingly. &mdash; PM Poon 13:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The color of #990099 (based on ) looks close enough. Actualy now you mentioned the smaller rings, I noticed they arc a bit (just a tiny bit). If you can do that we will have absolute perfection :) -- Cool CatTalk 14:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Revision uploaded as per your requirements. I was at first puzzled with the two smaller purple rings. Apparently, it is curved because of the slight angle away from the center. &mdash; PM Poon 17:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yup. Thanks. Hmm... -- Cool CatTalk 20:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar


The Graphic Designer's Barnstar may be awarded to those who work tirelessly to provide Wikipedia with free graphic files, either original or a version of a known design (e.g. a country's flag).

This is for all that photoshop work as well as for Image:Winged logo.gif -- Cool CatTalk 20:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you note
Hi Cool Cat, thank you for "The Graphic Designer's Barnstar". Actually, the work was nothing much. I am presently spending a lot of time with the Malay language Wikipedia in trying to improve it to the level of the English edition. I will be very glad if you can help me from time to time with some of the technicalities. &mdash; PM Poon 12:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll do everything I can, all you need to do is provide me the links and task :)
 * Also you may want to join the discussion in Wikipedia talk:Assume good faith regarding the image, I deicided to push it to be the symbol of "Assume good faith" (since it is nice enough). -- Cool CatTalk 13:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Tagging of the winged image
You own the copyrights to the Image:AMG.png for creating it. Since you created the image with lots of hard work it would be unethical for me to modify the tag. Hence (assuming its ok for me to use your work freely) you may want to tag it with one of the four templates below. -- Cool CatTalk 20:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * GFDL-self -- GNU Free Documentation License written by the Free Software Foundation. This was originally written to license free software documentation.
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Rosalind Franklin and discrimination
I have eited your contribution the the Rosalind Franklin article. It's a good quote, but I have included alternative points of view in order to maintain neutrality. I have removed the reference to x-ray work as I do not see how this is relevant to sexism and I think it is covered in other parts of the article. I have created a section about discrimination and included your quote there. I have also made reference to class consiousness there. Hope these changes are OK with you. Leave a message on the Rosalind Franklin talk page or on my talk page if there is a problem with my changes. Thanks for the contribution, Alun 09:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

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Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officers
Hey can you help me with these pd images. I have two things on my agenda:
 * 1) Make images with white background transparant
 * 2) Standarise images in one theme.

If you can assist, you'll make me happy :) -- Cool CatTalk 00:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Cool Cat, no problem at all! Just tell me what you need.


 * By the way, I was also about to write to you. I was appointed admin in Wikipedia Malay two days ago and wanted to introduce all these awards in Wikipedia Malay portal. I wonder whether it would be possible to use templates to actually define the award, eg. "Best Article for March 2006" and stuff like that so that the actual number of logos used can be kept down. I will try to learn up a vector program so that the images will turn out better than the last one. Regards. &mdash; PM Poon 08:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Notice that there are two themes of insignias. Also notice denmark insignias have "white" backgroudn colors, this should be transparant. -- Cool CatTalk 13:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Notice one standard theme.


 * Few examples of the many insignia images on Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officers. :) -- Cool CatTalk 13:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Cool Cat, I have tried one sample before I proceed with the rest. I wonder whether you found the original image a little too dark; I almost missed the four flowers in DM-Army-OF9.gif. I have removed the white background and brightened the image.
 * The edge is jagged because the two sides are slant and this is a gif image. The only way to overcome this is to make both edge straight.
 * I didn't quite get what you mean by "Standardise images in one theme". Can you elaborate or give an illustration? &mdash; PM Poon 15:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm.. For Denmark pattern of [[Image:DM-Army-OF6.gif|50px]][[Image:DM-Army-OF4.gif|50px]][[Image:DM-Army-OF2.gif|50px]] would best. Its bright and nice.


 * So you would need to derive images for OF9 OF8 OF7 OF5 OF3 OF1a OF1b and OF1c need to be redrawn. You know how the ranks loook life from the existing ones. Thats what I ment by "Standardise images in one theme". For denmark there is 3 paterns:[[Image:DM-Army-OF8.gif|50px]][[Image:DM-Army-OF7.gif|50px]][[Image:DM-Army-OF6.gif|50px]]
 * For germany there are two paterns [[Image:GE-Army-OF8.gif|50px]][[Image:GE-Army-OF7.gif|50px]]. I prefer [[Image:GE-Army-OF8.gif|50px]] pattern as the other one is the fancy ceremonial one no one wears aside from parades. so for the sake of comparasions a standard theme for every country will be great.
 * United Kingdom and Turkey (shown here) has one standard patern. However all images of Turkey ranks need a transparant background.
 * I hope this clarifies the matter. :) -- Cool CatTalk 17:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat, I have removed the white backgrounds for the 14 images. How do you want me to upload it as I do not seem to be able to replace the original images in Wikimedia Commons. &mdash; PM Poon 23:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You can overite the commons one. The changes wont take effect immidiately. After the upload try purging your chache (ctrl+f5 for internet explorer and firefox). -- Cool CatTalk 23:46, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

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WikiHowTo
WikiHowTo does exist wit more than 600 articles! If you want to contribute, then you can go to its home page, and help it become a mediawiki project! Moa3333 00:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

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