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Comment from Alphacatmarnie that belongs at Talk:Mighty Servant 2
33. "Mighty Servant / USS Robards"

Hi the article is about the Mighty Servant, the USS Robards is part of her operational history and so are many other charters, These ship transport many naval vessels of several different countries as well as just the US but, it should not be attached to the opening sentence of the article specifically when there is a whole section on the US Navy ship.

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Alphacatmarnie (talk) 16:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Answering at Talk:Mighty Servant 2. PRRfan (talk) 16:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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I saw Henry Whitely and Allan Thomson (businessman). If you put any more of these stubs up, please consider tagging them with a stub template and putting a category on them. I would also fill out the talk page templates. --evrik (talk) 18:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks; it's good advice, and as a responsible Wikipedian I should be doing more of that. And I would love nothing more than to have help adding to the small amount I've found on these people who together accomplished something momentous. But I've seen little evidence that stub tags, Talk page templates, and broad categories like "19th-century railroad executives" actually entice other editors to flesh out stubs. Have you? PRRfan (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Look, I sense an issue here. And no, I'm not an ideologue. I really do think that the references are sketchy at best. Can we do better? Can we find solid acceptable references for this sort of thing? I'm thinking of Moxie Marlinspike, who might just have the verifiable references for this. Does it go on? You and I *know* it does. But I feel that Wikipedia must have the best and most solid references, otherwise Wikipedia can not be taken seriously. I am not against this list, I feel sure that valid entries exist. But they must be "religiously" vetted to withstand the Tea Bagger Contingent who will trot out disturbing and inaccurate prattle about a Wikipedia "Left Wing bias". Taco Viva (talk) 20:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * My initial reaction upon seeing the deletion was "someone just wants this to be gone," but then you pointed out that all the names were poorly cited or completely uncited. Your points are all well taken. PRRfan (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There is potential for a section, but it must be solid. Taco Viva (talk) 03:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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I like your User Page. Lots of useful code and links... Taco Viva (talk) 21:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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Of course, I'm not disputing citizenship, but there has to be a way to convey that the bulk of his career as a sculptor (30+ years out of 38 or so) was spent in Philadelphia. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Why not just say so? "Born in Ramsay Township, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada, he lived in several cities, including Montreal and &mdash; for a quarter-century &mdash; in Philadelphia, before finally residing at the Mill of Kintail in Almonte, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada." Or some such. I was just intrigued by "Canadian-born", which seemed to suggest that he had at some point switched citizenship, and was fascinated to find that the sculptor of "The Ideal Scout" &mdash; so widely embraced across America &mdash; remained Canadian. PRRfan (talk) 17:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It makes me think of William Shatner, who was born in Canada, but whose career since the late-1950s has been in the United States. After retirement from Penn, I wonder if McKenzie resided at Almonte full time. He did die in Philadelphia. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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You've worked on articles about Philadelphia, so I'd like you to see a discussion at WikiProject Philadelphia: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Philadelphia.

It's about a spate of recent changes, largely by anonymous users, to articles about Center City Philadelphia. The changes seem misguided to me, and I'd like to hear what other people think. TypoBoy (talk) 00:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Oldest railroads in North America
Hi  I note your reversal of my addition to Oldest railroads in North America. Okay, but unfortunately Winfield Scott Gerrish is now an orphan as a result. Given that Winfield Scott Gerrish is notable for this railway, do you have any ideas where the article could be linked from instead? Eno Lirpa (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Michigan itself; this passage seems ripe: "Michigan led the nation in lumber production from the 1850s to the 1880s. Railroads became a major engine of growth from the 1850s onward, with Detroit the chief hub." PRRfan (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * There's also History of railroads in Michigan. PRRfan (talk) 13:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * My edit in Michigan got reverted too! But yes I have now put it into History of railroads in Michigan, Lake George, Michigan, and Muskegon River‎ so hopefully no more objections! Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ha. Sorry about that. It's an interesting fact; I'm sure you'll find the right home for it! PRRfan (talk) 14:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the seasonal headers but be aware that some of the info, such as the meeting with Mayor Penman is now out of chronological order. Meeting occurred in 1906 just after the park opened. Ingersoll essentially had legal permission to open the park on Sundays but backed off due to some sort of private complaints yet discovered.

In the aftermath section, US DOT did place advertisements in area papers in the early 1960's asking public if they knew what strange foundations were part of prior to burying them. Did follow-up after six months stating no one had come forward so contractor would either bury or excavate... Looking for references to be able to cite. Uncertain as to exact years and months.

Am contemplating researching complete listing of all park shows by season, all of the data necessary in Scranton Republican archives.

Thanks for the thoughtful editing. Dave S. Daves1 (talk) 14:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'll try to be more careful about keeping things in order. Hey, one thing to consider using: the WP templates for sources: I use the free ProveIt tool to make generating this markup a snap. Anyway, thanks for your work in building up this article about a fascinating bit of Scranton history. PRRfan (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, I noticed your creating article Security Building (St. Louis, Missouri) and added a bit to it. I got notification because it linked to Security Building disambiguation page which I guess I must have created. It's not a big deal, but i don't think the disambiguation hatnote is needed in the article. No one would arrive at this article when looking for a different one. I leave it to you to keep it or not.

I was puzzled that the architecture firm didn't have an article, but figured out it should link to Peabody and Stearns (where I see you had already edited) and then I edited there too.

By the way, perhaps you're not aware of some NRHP-related resources covered at wp:NRHPhelp, including a tool that generates an NRHP infobox for any specific NRHP site (at least if it was designated NRHP before 2012 I think is the cutoff). I used that tool to generate a slightly expanded infobox.

Thanks for your contributions, and keep up the good work! Cheers, -- do ncr  am  16:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for filling out the article's NRHP info, and for linking to P&S, and for the pointer to the resources; I did not know about them. As for the hatnote, you may be right, but a) the DAB page was useful to me in my own research, and b) I think it's just plain interesting that so many buildings were named "Security". PRRfan (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yes it is interesting about so many explicitly named "Security Building", i wonder why. The article for the Arizona one says it was built for the Security Improvement Company, but I have never heard of that.  The NRHP nomination for this St. Louis one mentions a bank as its biggest first client, and later in the document includes"As the name of the building suggests, 'security' was of first importance to winning office tenants as well as attracting bank patrons. The building's heavy load-bearing brick and granite walls together with its steel frame, fireproofed with clay tile, guaranteed maximum strength and safety. The specification of brick instead of the traditional stone for a superior fireproof foundation was cited as a novel feature at the time. Brick, it was claimed, possessed a greater ability to resist cracking and crumbling when subjected to fire and cold water."
 * So I guess it was a marketing thing, and that people thought a place with that name would be "secure". Similar to naming of Fireproof Building in Charleston, South Carolina.  Certainly it is generally believed that bank buildings should look very solid for people to have faith in them. -- do  ncr  am  16:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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My argument with Yosemiter is at my talk page. Second, you disgarded my edit summary that indicated that a second edit was coming that adds back Asheville Altitude to fit with my sourced edits. I reverse his edit so as to return the sourced information I had edit and attack me for removing then unsourced and seemingly contradictory information (Asheville Altitude becoming the Tulsa 66ers). But you will find that all Yosemiter is doing now is attacking me. Spshu (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * BRD, dude. Work it out on the page's Talk page, not in an edit war. We've all been there; it won't kill you, I promise. PRRfan (talk) 14:17, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, I am aware of BRD as I pointed out we are discussing (and where) the matter. You are the only edit warring here. You directly reverse my restoration of sourced information causing an edit conflict, when I added back the Asheville Altitude information. Go look. I don't disagree with him now that he has produced sources that they are the same team. So, why are you starting an edit war? Yosemiter is just outright attacking me and reverting as a part of that attack. He made it clear he is not interest in discussion. Spshu (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * One reversion = edit warring? I think not. All I'm saying, explicitly and again, is "Work it out on the Talk page." PRRfan (talk) 15:56, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You declared that it was an edit war above ("not in an edit war"). Do you even know what you are saying or doing? (Your responses come across as if I say blue and you say I said red.) Stated differently for the third time, you reverted an edit in a series of two to correct the issue (the first to restore my information and the second to restore his). You have ignore me directly pointing out that a discussion exists. I am saying that it was worked out and you were disruptive of the edits needed to correct the article (which now the other editor seem to find satisfactory as I had hope). I can not be bold in crafting a resolution on my own - that is what your posts amount to be telling me. Spshu (talk) 17:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Dude, I'm bowing out of this discussion. If you've worked it out elsewhere, that's great. Sure didn't look that way in the crossfire of hostile edit summaries, nor was it in evidence on (again) the article's Talk page. All the best to you. PRRfan (talk) 17:28, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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Hello. I don't really agree with your edits here. Some of your "tweaks" don't change much of the content; the "citation needed" template is invalid since the sentence is referenced in the commercial performance section; and you also claim that the track was certified Gold in the UK, when that's not true yet. I forgot to mention that I was reverting because of your "tweaks" as well, but it seems that you haven't removed the "citation needed" template, so I'm going to feel free to revert. Regards and have a nice day, --Paparazzzi (talk) 16:50, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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