User talk:PRehse/Archive 2

Move request
Peter, I've got a request for you. The article Florendo Vistacion is incorrectly titled. I'm absolutely certain that it should be titled Florendo Visitacion (that's even the spelling used in the article itself), but that page already exists as a redirect, so I can't make the move. Supposedly admins can, but I don't really know who to go to for that. Hoping you can help. Thanks. Joe routt 21:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for the little changes to Kumite-ryu Jujutsu.

Aikido peer review
I took a look - so far, so good. I'm not surprised at the comments, and am enthusastic that little will may to be changed.Bradford44 15:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

AJJIF
No probs less like an add now --Nate1481 04:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Indonesian arts
Thanks for your edits - are you posibly aware of any other Indonesian martial arts articles that might be needed? SatuSuro 12:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Aiki-ken
I did some work on the aiki-ken article. Could you take a look, and promote its rating as you see fit? Thanks, Bradford44 21:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Dodgy Ju Jitsu article
Greetings. Unfortunately, I was on a little wiki-break the last few days. I will look in at the article you asked me about in the next day or so... --Fire Star 火星 19:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

DBMA
Point taken,I've come across the dog brothers before so knew what (most) were. Inverted comers might be appropriate e.g. 'Guro' Dan Inosanto, but may be best (when I get time) to put a small section explaining the titles as they would be of interest. --Nate1481 03:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yoseikan and Yoseikan Budo Entries
Hey Peter,

I just wanted to get your opinion on the idea of merging the 'Yoseikan' and 'Yoseikan Budo' articles.

The first I spent some time developing from its 'stubbiness' not realizing that a second entry also existed. I have emphasized the school as developed by Mochizuki Minoru, the latter has emphasized the school as developed by his son Hiroo. I noticed when looking at the history that references to the father's art and people who still practise it seemed to have been minimized through edits in favour of the art practised by the son.

I'm think that if I merge the two I'll raise some hackles so I'm fishing for opinions at the moment. :)

Any feelings on this?--Mateo2006 21:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the work here Peter.

I re-introduced some of the material from the original "Yoseikan Budo" entry on the later innovations of Hiroo Mochizuki, read it over and "Wow!" it is quite a comprehensive article on the history of the Yoseikan now. Good one!

I'll add some more references for the parts which I contributed soon.--Mateo2006 13:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

proposed deletions
Someone brought to my attention that you've proposed deletion of several pages on some Wing Chun masters that I created. I have posted a response in those articles' talk page. These articles are nodes of a bigger family tree. The tree will fall apart when some nodes are removed. Please preserve the tree in other format before you cut down the branches. Thank you. Kowloonese 00:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

MA Userbox
Today, there was a merger of Category:Martial Artist Wikipedians into Category:Wikipedian martial artists. This resulted in a userbox being added to the category. This userbox is available to you. TonyTheTiger 21:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

WingTsun Article
Fantastic feedback, thank you. I will see if I can get some photos with my Sihing to illustrate the article more effectively. Do you have any suggestions for what images you think would be best? DarkCryst 02:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Using edit summaries!
Hi PRehse, I've noticed that you added an article to WP:RFA. While investigating the article's notability (Tom Bolden) I noticed that you didn't add an edit summary to your edits when you added the RFA tag. While it's not obligatory, it does help other editors see what you've edited and why. Here's a bit of standard WP text explaining:

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this: The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.

Hope this makes sense, please don't hesitate to get in touch if you wish to discuss it further. The Rambling Man 12:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies
I understand your anger in due to my deletion of your post which you made at 06:46, 21 January 2007. It was an accident and I send you my sincerest apologies for the mix up. I was modifying the post I made at 06:42, 21 January 2007 and just copied and pasted it at 06:56, 21 January 2007, realizing little that another post had been made in the 14 mins in between, that post being yours. I'm sorry and will be more careful the next time; the deletion of your post was unintentional. Freedom skies 07:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind note; as for the "problem" on the talk page in question, Kenny won't verify citations and won't ask for additional ones. He repeats lies, lacks even basic knowledge and just reverts despite repeated assurances of providing additional sources and asking him to at least read the existing ones.

He feels that Shorinji kempo is a religion despite my providing a link to the art. The discussion is just him repeating his ignorance and me taking extra pains to elaborate the extent to which he is wrong. I wrote about it prior to "this discussion" and another editor supported my views as well. Unfortunately, no matter what the citations say, Kenny will attempt to have the lines removed.

Freedom skies 08:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know... I've mainly been discussing issues with misquoting references - the article has a few misquotes of varying degrees of non-veracity that I've been trying to correct. As for writing long digressing discussions, you can look at the discussion board and decide who is acting whacky. Thanks for stopping by however. I like your title page. I assume that is a picture of yourself? Kennethtennyson 00:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Dan and Ron
Well, I talked to Ernest this afternoon. He was not aware of any bad blood with Ron, in fact he spoke very highly of him as a martial artist. Ernest confirmed that he trained under Inosanto for 4-5 days a week for 5 years as his article states and as Dan would tell you, himself(Emerson still gives seminars at JKD Events). He thinks Ron's beef may be that Ernest is not currently an "official JKD instructor" and some martial artists take lineage very seriously (as well they should), however the Inosanto article merely states that Emerson is a notable student.

Maybe he'll answer on the talk page? --Mike Searson 05:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Jerome Barber
Hey, you can add the afd tag to the article while subst'ing it at the same time, like this. Then, after you save you can edit the link to the article afd page, to Articles for Deletion/PAGENAME/2 (to differentiate from the original one). Then you have to change what the template automatically inserts on today's AFD page to PAGENAME/2 and it'll all work. By the way, I just noticed you deleted this from my talk page, is there a reason for that? Yonatanh 05:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Striking controversy
Peter, while I respect your style of aikido, I think the most appropriate way to represent striking in the art is the way most aikidoists use it. I can't give numbers, but I very much doubt that the majority of aikidoists consider atemi, particularly contact atemi, to be such an integral part of the art that it deserves to be mentioned first in the list of characteristics of the art in the top paragraph of the WP article. And that's putting it mildly :-) If you consider how the art is practiced by most, and how it was practiced by the founder (as far as I understand it), one could say that it's downright misleading to use such a description.  I much appreciate all the efforts you've made to improve information about aikido on WP, which makes it the more mystifying to me that you'd insist on an edit which feels very much like POV. Djiann 18:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of the word "dojocho"
Hi Peter, I have a (hopefully) quick question for you. I was hoping that you could help increase my understanding of the appropriate useage of the title dojocho. In traditional usage, is it always the highest ranking instructor at the dojo? Or is it more like how soke is the designated heir and keeper of a style's traditions, but may not necessarily be either the chief instructor or the highest ranking instructor? Just curious - I'm the "head instructor" (whatever that means) of our martial arts program at the University of Florida, but by no means the highest ranking instructor. It's strictly a political appointment by the head of our system, because I by far have the most time to teach and administrate the program. We were having a discussion the other night, and I grew curious whether that qualifies me as dojocho, or there if is some other name for my role. Thanks, Bradford44 16:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bradford44 02:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Peter,

I'd like to see that other article you mentioned. What is it called? I understand you feelings about the first.

Best,

--Mateo2006 00:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yoseikan Suggestions
RE: "I don't like the way the Yoseikan article just hangs there but there is some good specific info in the Yoseikan Karate and Yoseikan Aikido. I suggest the format of Yoseikan gets changed to a disambiguation page, the creation of a Yoseikan category, the modification of Yoseikan Budo to mention the Karate and Aikido articles and some attempt to remove redundant info.Peter Rehse 00:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)"

This is an excellent solution. I thought the 'Yoseikan' page itself was was weak and repeats existing explanations but I spoke to the author (who didn't know that the other pages existed as he is new to Wiki) and I agreed with much of what he said in regard to the separate pages for Yoseikan aikido and Yoseikan karate. 'Yoseikan Budo' has become a copywrited term used to denote Hiro's version of the art which has significant differences from earlier versions of the art. I know that there are versions of the art which exist and need to be differentiated from the Hiroo's art. I think the 'Yoseikan aikido' and 'Yoseikan karate' pages acknowledge legitmate different traditions which have evolved over the last 50 years.

I'll weigh in on some of the other articles shortly.--Mateo2006 01:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Maniwa Nen-ryū and Nen-ryū
These are a bit rough, but hopefully are a good start. Bradford44 17:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Gun Fu - Animal Fighting Styles
I have added a "" template to the article Gun Fu - Animal Fighting Styles, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. UtherSRG (talk) 16:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Aikido online
Hi there, Thank you for supporting Aikido on Wikipedia, but I don't understand why AikidoOnline is being removed as a link when the rest of the links remain. Please could you provide me with some insight. Thank you. Andrew

Boabom
Do you know anything about the art of Boabom?

Aikido

 * Thanks for the comments on the Aikido peer review - I think most of the have been addressed and in about a weeks time I will submit the article as a FAC. I also placed some comments in the peer review itself.  Cheers Peter Rehse 06:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you and good luck with your FAC. If you're persistent and address the issues as they arise I'm sure you'll succeed. &mdash; RJH (talk) 15:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the aikido styles - you have a good point, I've got no problem with scaling back the info about the styles. Regarding your peer review comments, I agree with what you said - my largest concern is that the article may lack sufficient citations. However, I still think you should go ahead and submit it, and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens. Bradford44 15:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I wrote a comment of support in the "Featured article candidates/Aikido" comments section. Is there more that can be done to support its status change?--Mateo2006 04:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Good job on pushing the FAC bandwagon! Mrand 11:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

"Aikido FA-status"
"Aikido I just submitted the article for Featured Article status - great if you could provide a bit of help for the final push.Peter Rehse 03:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fred26"

Well sure I can try and help, but I don't know what sort of help that would be. I'm not even an aikidoka and even my main project Shinto Muso-ryu isn't even above B-class yet. :-) Fred26 14:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Aikido Article
Peter,

It's a great article! My article on Ernest Emerson made it through Good article status and is up for featured right now, as well. I saw this one was and being a long time Aikidoka, myself...I figured I'd pitch in and help out. I have a shelf full of books devoted to aikido and a box full of magazines, somewhere, including articles from a friend's dojo in Israel. I'll read and add sources as they fit. As a side note, I strongly reccomend Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere as a must-read...it's THE book that enabled me to "put it all together".

Good Luck! Mike Searson 04:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Understood. My last Sensei in Aikido was excellent at the physical demonstrations, which helped me to learn quickly. But after a few years I got in a funk over some of it, coming from the "Combatives" perspective and ADS really helped me sort it out. Just small little things they put together with regard to history, etc. I didn't know about their history in japan, though. Mike Searson 04:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Now THAT sounds cool! I regret not taking advantage of more training while I was in Japan.Mike Searson 05:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm done for now, I'm a little Aikidoed out from the cross referencing! I printed out the article and tomorrow I'll go through it as I go through some other printed material to see what else I can reference for you. Everything you have in the article I've read or heard somewhere...just a matter of nailing it down. The only other thing I may see some issue with is the LEAD section...it should act as a Summary of the whole article, hitting on each major point. Mike Searson 06:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Shodokan Techniques
Hi Peter. I just want to fill in some of the blanks in the lists of techniques on the Yoseikan Aikido page. In Shodokan Aikido do you have a hyperflexing wristlock, which is pictured on the Wristlock page. Also, do you do Kannuki Gatame Ude Hishige from Judo. As for throws, do you have an Irimi Nage, other than Ai Gamae Ate, which we call Nodo Wa Otoshi in Yoseikan. Also do you do Kata Garuma as found in judo, as I am sure I have seen an image of Tomiki with someone across his shoulders, but this could be a judo picture. Thanks, Grahamwild 04:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)\

Hi Peter. The hyperflexing wristlock is the picture above the entry not below it, it is next to the pronating wristlock entry, I don't know why. So it is not the Kote Mawashi, which I have already included in the list of techniques. By Irimi Nage, I mean the Aikikai Irimi Nage, that is Ai Gamae Ate using your arm against tori's chin, not your hand. What about the kannuki gatame ude hishige? Thanks, Grahamwild 14:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC) I mean irimi nage as in the second and forth throws in this Shodokan vid of Nariyama Shihan with Sakai sensei as uke. Regards, Grahamwild 15:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Peter. One thing I have read is that Tomiki was big on maintaining a difference between Aikido and Judo. In contrast Mochizuki taught judo, and aikido separately, but judo techniques were used in aikido randori (this is back in the 60's and 70's). Obviously you couldn't do aikido techniques in judo, as there are rules on which techniques can be used, especially atemi and wrist locks which are not allowed.

Kote Mawashi as a variation of Kote Gaeshi that is a strange point of view! In Yoseikan Aikido we divide locks into Uchi Negi Ho and Soto Negi Ho, 'methods for turning in' and 'methods of turning out'. All locks that rotate/turn the arm in are all basically variations of Robuse (Oshi Taoshi), that is Hiji Kudaki (Waki Gatame), Kote Kudaki (Kote Mawashi), Yuki Chigai (Kote Hineri), and Shita Ude Garami (Ude Hineri). Those locks that rotate/twist the arm to the outwards are kind of variations of Kote Gaeshi, such as Tembin Nage (Mae Otoshi), Shiho Nage, and Ue Ude Garami (Ude Geashi). How does that fit in with the Shodokan naming and grouping? Mochizuki also grouped techniques logically, but was big on the old judo idea of naming all variations, something which is not done much in aikido, or in judo any more. Regards, Grahamwild

Regarding the muso shinden ryu external links
You'll have to forgive the late reply to your inquiry on the Talk page of Muso Shinden-ryu.

"Hi Fred - what's with the external links. Several of them don't seem to have anything to do with the article and in any case we should try to keep them to a minimum. Adding to the article - wikipedia not a link farm for individual dojo and all that. I trimmed the list a tad -there was one that was there twice - I figure a couple of more could go to. Happy New Year.Peter Rehse 05:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)"

I moved those links from the [Iaido] article (as I stated on that particular talk-page around the same time) since the external links were getting too many for comfort. Unfortunetly I moved them but didnt double-check the links content. I moved the "Muso Shinden-ryu links" section straight to MSR article as it was so they were never new, or "my" links. I also seemed to have forgotten to put the MSR article on "watch". Fred26 09:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello again, regarding Shinto Muso-ryu article
I have been a bit neglecting of the Shinto Muso-ryu article instead favoring some general koryu-related articles instead. When it comes to modern SMR and organisations (from 1940 and onwards) I'm a bit lacking in reliable and quotable sources so that part of the article is severly lacking. But, in general, what is your honest opinion on the general layout of the article? Is it easily accessed/understood for people with no SMR-experience at all, or is it too complex/difficult-to-understand, or is there simply something thats crappy? Something that could be done better? Oh, as you can see I have added alot of direct source-quotes into the text now (the history section needs more work though but will be fixed in due time) and I'll keep adding more (reliable as well) sources. Just got my hands on Donn Draegers "Classical Bujutsu", "Japanese swordsmanship" and "Classical Budo" books of which I'll also draw on some info. Any criticism would be apreciated if you have the time. Its no rush really. :-) Fred26 18:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've started with removing all the multiple dual-linking on the main Shinto Muso-ryu article. Was alot more than I noticed. As soon as I'm satisfied with SMR I'll move on to History of SMR and the sub-articles. I will also keep adding sources for the History of SMR section too..been too lazy to do it properly there. Anyways, thanks for yer input. Fred26 16:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Aikido and Katana article status
Two quick questions that I'm not sure how to handle. First, shouldn't Aikido currently be rated A class? The guideline for ratings states that articles which successfully made GA class, and are currently undergoing featured article review, should be ranked A class.

Second, I noticed, almost by accident, that Katana is rated GA, but it appears that it never went through peer review or any other process to reach GA. It is a former featured article candidate, but was trashed at review (for good reason). With only six references and lots of formatting problems, it is nowhere near GA. I'm not sure how to handle it, administratively speaking. Can it be nominated for demotion? Any suggestions? Thanks, Bradford44 21:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

As always, your help is much appreciated - thank you, Bradford44 04:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Martial Intelligence
Hello Peter,

I appreciate your comments and help on the entry for Martial Intelligence. The current text is very incipient and I am currently working with some people to provide more information on how this concept has evolved for the past 18 years.

Regards,

--Rfurno 03:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did you delete the Aikido Online Link in the External Link section..
Hi,

I do not know the context for the External Links. I practice Aikido myself and found the AikidoOnline Link really informational. This was not a commercial promotion.

Can you please explain the reasons behind the deletion. you can send reply to Rajesh.jaiswal@intel.com.

Thanks and regards. Rajesh —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.52.57.33 (talk) 04:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks
Thanks for fixing the archive on that page for me! I never would have remembered to do that.--Mike Searson 06:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Aikido Article pt 2
I read it over again, I'll keep this here so as not to start a debate on the FAR, where I already weighed in and voted.

I do think we need more references...I have some great stuff on UKE and NAGE, but it's from Seidokan Communicator...while, I don't feel it's style specific...others might. I definitely didn't learn that when I was studying Nihon Goshin, for example, but don't think it's not there in theory somewhere. I'll keep looking and see what else I have. Maybe an article from Black Belt or Aikido Today/

In this reading of it, I can see how someone with no knowledge of Aikido or Martial arts in general might get confused about blending. We might need a definition or a footnote explaining that. I had that happen to me over the term 'fighter', which I've used for 20 years describing fighting-knives on my review.

Second paragraph under implementation might throw some people off. It may be too far from the first definition of the terms...this might be able to be fixed using footnotes or simply repeating the wikilinks. Then again, I may be looking too hard at it and someone else might ding it for repeating links or whatever their gripe is about that. I think without it, though, a layman might find it "too technical".

Has the article always been plagued by link spammers? That might hurt stability...our buddy, Ron, almost did that to me when the Emerson article was up for GA review.

I'll get some more references in there tonight for you. I think it's there. The FA board may be backed up with all the nominations about video games and Family Guy characters getting featured status. --Mike Searson 06:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

PS maybe just the 2 (perhaps a...) should be dropped from the implementation paragraph on kata. While it is clear to an Aikidoka, it might distract and interrupt the flow for a reader with no knowledge, etc. That's the ultimate goal, to inform someone who just typed 'Aikido' into a search engine to find out what it means.--Mike Searson 06:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū
This just got added to the box on the project page for peer review, but it doesn't look like it actually got submitted to peer review. How does one add an article to peer review (because I'd do it if I knew how)? Also, I noticed that many wikiprojects have their own peer review department - maybe we should create one for the martial arts project. This is another thing I don't know how to do. I appreciate any guidance you can offer. Thanks, Bradford44 16:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have a moment, could you weigh in on this discussion - Talk:Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū? Thanks, Bradford44 20:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

No, it neither looks like anyone has added to the peer review, nor does it look like anyone has made changes in response to the peer review. It's probably stuck at B class for the time being. Bradford44 14:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Real sorry guys, I wish I had some time to add/edit the article but I kinda got my hands full. Once I feel satisfied I'll see if I at least can make some comments on it, but Im trying to focus on SMR for the moment. Fred26 21:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hi. I saw your request for a peer review for the article about Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū. I read it a little bit, and it said that it was part of Kenjutsu, the Japanese martial art specializing in the use of the Japanese sword. So I wanted to ask you if Shinkendo is also part of Kenjutsu... Dalobuca 18:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. Dalobuca 04:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thx for the nomination.
Much obliged. I'll keep an eye on the Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū article. Fred26 08:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Arnis Nicolas System
No problems, it's looking more like an article & less like a one man rant now. p.s. did read Akido a while back but couldn't see anything that was worth changing --Nate1481 09:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

BJJ
As your on there's a bit of an edit war on the page between Judo & jujitsu as origins + adding another guy saying he's on a par with/succeeding the Gracies (he may be good but BJJ is much bigger than the Gracies now & they started it) any input would be of a help the whole origin thing is hashed out further up the talk page. --Nate1481 09:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC) On the waiting part your probably right. Dislike 'playing games' to get my version though. will just have to source it & then argue that way. --Nate1481 10:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Meant to reply before, the 'playing games' thing wasn't meant as derogatory, just that I'd rather convince someone by reasoning than win by default, though as it went he wasn't interested in discussing it. --Nate 12:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Tried to recruit one & sockpuppets have been reported, will do hunting for one today, actualy can thing of one who would might be good if he's still around. --Nate 09:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Inline references
Just to clarify what you mean with yer last PM regarding the external links found in "notable practitioner". You wish me to put each individual link as a "reference"? Fred26 11:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Aikido Images
I saw your message about the aikiweb photo gallery. Good idea! I don't know why it hadn't occurred to me earlier.
 * Tisser-sensei Iriminage But might be hard to get approval.
 * Iriminage (?) This is a very artistic picture, though the technique is a bit unorthodox in execution.
 * Irimizuki Great photo, except that it seems a bit "casual" - like he's chatting while doing it, while teaching or something.
 * Iriminage? You crazy non-Yoshokai people and your bizarre iriminage-type techniques! It looks good, though.
 * Kokyu-ho/sokumen iriminage Nice picture. And from a dojo in Baghdad, interestingly.
 * Kick into leg sweep Speaking of unorthodox...but it caught my eye.
 * Jo retention Mechanism of action is hard to see, though. (Always the trouble with aikido media.)

But you know what might work really well?

--GenkiNeko 19:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Animated Shodokan images Because aikido is very "dynamic", it's hard to show with static images. An animation or two might be very valuable.
 * Sumi otoshi Perhaps this one?
 * Kotegaeshi Or this one?
 * Tenkai kotegaeshi/shihonage Or this one?

http://www.aikiweb.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1322&limit=recent http://www.aikiweb.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=102 http://www.aikiweb.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32&size=big&cat= Wwilson 1 00:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Here are my suggestions: Sorry but that's the only one I'm completely happy with. However, it seems GenkiNeko and Wayne have provided quite a few suggestions, so there should be a good variety to choose from. Bradford44 03:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.aikiweb.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=39

Shinto Muso-ryu is ready.
I've corrected, to the best of my abilities, the last remaining issues raised by Bradford and I believe the article is ready to be promoted when you are ready. The next step for me will be to bring the sub-articles, most urgently the History of SMR, up to speed and synch them with the main article. I'll keep you up to date when I have finished with the History of SMR-article, then I'll give you a call. Fred26 15:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)