User talk:Pablo-flores/Archive 5

Imágenes
Fue un real gusto recibir tus comentarios sobre las imágenes. Soy casi rosarino, me manejo en la w:es, pero estoy bloqueado, aparentemente temporariamente, porque consideraron que soy plagiario. Vivo en Rosario, calle 3 de Feb 939, pb; y hago algunos raids de image-searchs. Me gusta porque vos y yo, "vemos" distintas cosas. Pero no tengo mucho tiempo, y soy bastante lenteja en apurar mi edición de images. Tanto es así, que se me escapó, lo que me llamaste la atención, sobre esa imagen de Mitre en w:en. También estuve subiendo images de otros, en w:it, w:en, hacia commons. Tengo unas 50 fotos, JaJa: tengo la Fuente de Cerámica más grande del Mundo. Soy nieto del escultor Erminio Blotta, un anarquista "borrado" en vida por la oligarquía terruña, como decenas de otros coterráneos contemporáneos. Te hago una pequeña crítica, qpe me la hizo un editor de commons, acerca de categorizar las images que subimos. Un ej. tuyo es Image:Río Paraná desde el Parque Alem 1.jpg Y a mí, en w:es me han criticado por poner la category:Rosario, a custiones rosarinas, como los clubes Newels y Central. Mientras que w:en, a mi parecer muy lógicas, el estar en esa categoría. STATUES IN ROSARIO, STATUES OF PEOPLE, MONUMENTS IN ARGENITNA, STATUES, PEOPLE OF ARGENTINA, BUSTS, son algunas categorías que estoy usando para ajustar el criterio de c/image. Un abrazo Rosarinagazo 11:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

tango

 * Chicos, algunos personas estan attacando List of tango singers. Defendemos? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Request
Within the past few hours someone has placed basura on the CG page Talk page. I have been told that it is permissible to delete such stuff from the Talk page, but would prefer that an admin be the one to do this. I was wondering if you would please take a look and decide what should be done? Many thanks -- Polaris999 14:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Distancia ROS BUE 271 km
¡Vas a tener que empezar a escuchar la verdadera distancia por carretera a Bs. As.! El dato de 271 lo estoy sacando de la pág. 340 del ATLAS del libro "POR LAS RUTAS ARGENTINAS, Guía turística", ACA 1999. Te comento qeu soy Ing. Agr., viví 20 años en San Nicolás, 24 años en Pergamino, 3 años en BAires, y me he cansado de viajar profesionalmente en auto, micro, avión, entre esas localidades. Por supuesto que la distancia en línea recta es menor aún. La traza "vieja" de Ros a Bue es unos 12 km más larga que con la "nueva". Modifiqué el dato tanto en la es:w como en la en:w. Este tema es interesante para pensar en paradigmas, pensamiento lateral. Y estoy por tratar de incorporar biografías argentinas. Saludazos Rosarinagazo 12:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Una pregunta
Tengo una pregunta que hacerte, y espero que no te la tomes a mal. El que siendo argentino colabores con la wikipedia en inglés y no en español ¿es debido a un complejo de inferioridad ante los sajones? Un saludo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.37.35.160 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 22 July 2006.


 * No. Empecé colaborando acá y ya "me aprendí los trucos" de esta Wikipedia. Me resultaría muy difícil empezar otra vez desde cero en la Wikipedia en español. Además de eso, la calidad actual de la Wikipedia en español es bastante inferior (en cuanto a estándares y controles), sin prejuicio de quién la escriba, y no tengo tiempo ni ganas para luchar con esa clase de molinos de viento. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sin embargo creo que el esfuerzo valdría la pena; te animo a que ayudes a mejorar nuestra wikipedia.
 * No soy el anónimo que ha intervenido, pero sí debo decirte que la calidad de la Wiki en inglés no es nada superior a la edición en castellano.
 * A parte de esto, realment lo que venía a decirte es que hace por casualidad hoy te han dejado un mensaje justo cuando he puesto los ojos en los cambios recientes, lo cual me ha ofrecido una grata sorpresa al ver que había una cuenta de un tal Pablo-flores, al que años antes había admirado en silencio por su trabajo realizado para la web "cómo crear un lenguaje". Fue impresionante ver que alguien se había tomado la molestia de redactar un texto en castellano sobre ese asunto. Cuando lo vi por primera vez me impactó bastante, entre otras cosas porqué introduje exactamente esa frase en el Google.
 * Bueno, y ahora, relacionado con esto y con lo que te decía el anónimo debo decirte que hace un tiempo tuve que cambiar el enlace externo que había en el artículo castellano de lenguas articifiales el cual aun seguía remitiendo a tu anterior alojamiento en angel-fire, por el de pueblacity.
 * Eso era todo, creo que las calidades de ambas enciclopedias son mejorables, con lo cual no creo que seas tan preciso en la castellana, también aquí. Pasqual (ca) · CUT  18:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you help me?
Hi Pablo, how are you? I'm currently having an edit conflict with two users, Astrotrain and TharkunColl, on the Flag of the Falkland Islands article. Given that you're an Argentine and an admin, could you please take a look at my note on Talk:Falkland Islands and help me with this problem? Thanks in advance, --Nkcs 05:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, I see your point. Thanks for your note on my talk page. --Nkcs 22:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Proceso
Pablo, you seem to think that there's no link whatsoever between Alfonsín being elected and the Juicio a las Juntas. What "evidence" would you need? Or, how can we reword that to avoid thanking Alfonsin for one campaing commitment that he actually kept? Not that the judiciary indicted Videla et al by their own will. Cheers, User:Ejrrjs says What? 04:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Orden presidencial de procesar a las juntas militares Publicado en el Boletín Oficial el 15/12/83
 * Anulación de la ley de autoamnistía
 * Reseña de alguns antecedentes de la causa en la Cámara Federal

According to Verbitsky:

''El flamante presidente Raúl Alfonsín solicitó al Congreso que anulara la autoamnistía y a la justicia que procesara a las tres primeras juntas militares, por homicidio, privación ilegal de la libertad y aplicación de tormentos a los detenidos. Para que el fallo de los tribunales militares fuera apelable ante la justicia civil, reformó el Código de Justicia Militar. Debían ser castigados quienes idearon, organizaron y pusieron en marcha el aparato represivo sabiendo que produciría gravísimos atentados a la dignidad humana y aquellos que lo aprovecharon en beneficio personal o con crueldad o perversidad. Pero era "imperioso ofrecer la oportunidad de servir lealmente a la democracia constitucional a aquellos miembros de las Fuerzas Armadas y de seguridad que no han actuado por propia iniciativa al participar en actos lesivos de la dignidad humana". Era el primer proyecto de ley de Obediencia Debida de Alfonsín. Pero el Congreso estableció que no habría disculpa posible para los "hechos atroces y aberrantes". Por ejemplo, torturar prisioneros o arrojarlos vivos desde aviones al mar.''

Regarding the opposition, we'll never know what they would have done. We DO know that Luder sign the aniquilacion decrees.

In any case, I agree that to thank Alfonsín is POV as it assumes that the trials were a good thing. On the other hand, the Punto Final and Obediencia Debida laws need a lengthier explanation, and sources that I do not have handy to cite. Let me just say that Alfonsín mentioned all along 1983 presidential campaign his three-tiered theory of responsibility: those that gave the orders (to be tried), those that obeyed (who would not be accused) and those who committed "atroces y aberrantes" acts (not clear what to do). Alfonsín was always keen to the punto final idea, even before Rico's attempted coup d'état.

[br.geocities.com/raulenrirojo/Uni_Rojo.doc Here] you have an analysis on that.

Saludos, User:Ejrrjs says What? 20:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

WPArgentina
Hi! I just wanted to inform you, as a member of WikiProject Argentina, that we are about to start using the WPArgentina for article categorization and qulification. Please, take a minute to read the project's talk page, as well as the taggin scheme and the Importance guidelines, and make the necesary comments. Thank you for your participation, Mariano (t/c) 08:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Roling on the river...
Che, I'm thinking on doing some maps with the most important rivers to improve their articles. The question is: which background map should we use for this? Topologycal (and cool) Image:Argentina topo blank.jpg, so far standard (ugly) Image:Argentina provinces, blank.png or Image:Argentina - Político.png?

Another question is wether to put the rivers in the hole map or crop it down for better visibility.

Don't worry!, I plan to do this myself. I just wanted to know what do you think would be better. Mariano (t/c) 09:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Jolly Roger (frog) on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Jolly Roger (frog). Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

context for ovidia
Thanks for providing more info there. Good job! --Improv 18:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Mike18xx
I'm consulting you on this, because you have worked on a lot of South American topics, but, as far as I know, have not been involved in this situation.

I've been crossing paths quite a bit with. He's clearly sincere, and I don't doubt that he intends to help create an encyclopedia, and sometime makes good edits (especially in terms of removing undercited material) but he is really abrasive, and he often justifies his actions with claims about Marxism that appear (at least to me) bizarre. At the moment, this is mostly intended as a "heads-up". If a "request for comment" really was what its name suggests, I'd start one, but in practice it seems to be more like bringing a suit, which is not what I intend to do.

For examples of what I'm referring to, see (abusive),  (overtly stating that he views WP:3RR is license to revert up to three times a day), but most of all it's the claims about Marxism that seem to me like pure Humpty Dumptyism:
 * : "…Most US Republicans are Marxist without knowing it (because they're idiots)…"
 * : the edit summary says, in effect that Salvador Allende wasn't be the first Marxist to be elected naiton president of a democracy because, according to Mike, FDR was a Marxist.

I've tried to contain myself in dealing with this person, and I probably have failed to do so at times. - Jmabel | Talk 01:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

And now at Property redistribution he is unilaterally removing the NPOV tag, somehow claiming that there is no dispute. - Jmabel | Talk 22:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Right after writing that, the very next edit I ran across was another obnoxious edit of his. I started to write a response to him, but realized that since I have solicited your advice, I should probably wait until I receive it. The edit and Talk:Land reform tears someone else's paragraphs apart almost sentence-by-sentence, interspersing his remarks. For one thing, it makes it very hard to tell who said what. For another, it really breaks up the flow of what someone is saying. It is especially obnoxious because he is simply disagreeing with the person's premises, and there is no need to remark sentence-by-sentence that you reject the premises. It is not like he is actually addressing individual points along the way.

I see that you haven't edited the last day or so; I presume you are taking the weekend off. I'll wait another day or so to hear from you. If I don't hear from you by then, I guess I will go to WP:AN/I with this, for lack of any better ideas on where to take this. - Jmabel | Talk 22:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yet another. Hope I'm not driving you batty, but I keep finding these: asserts that George Bush is a socialist. How on earth am I supposed to work with someone who holds such bizarre views (or pretends to, it gets really hard to assume good faith on this). - Jmabel | Talk 00:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for alerting me. I've already reverted a few of his changes and left a note in his talk page advising him to cool down. I hope that that may make him realize how thin the ice he's skating on is. Comments in talk pages are another matter. You can't punish someone for expressing bizarre views in a discussion. You can punish them if they insult you, blank or maliciously alter your comments, or otherwise disrupt the process of getting to a consensus. We'll have to wait and see if he gets the idea. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 00:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not looking for punishment. I'm looking for how I'm supposed to try to collaborate on an article with someone who holds views that are so bizarre. He obviously knows how bizarre they are, or he'd be over on the George Bush article trying to insert the claim that Bush is a socialist, instead of using it as an "argument" in matters over Chile. (Similarly in the article on land reform, where he seems to assume that land reform can be practically defined as theft of land that people came by honestly to hand it to someone else. - Jmabel | Talk 00:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reported him to AN/I for the personal attacks, incivility, and soapboxing in his edit summaries (I had reported him before but no action was taken on it). He has been warned and blocked several times and it seems quite clear that none of that is detering him:


 * I didn't say strike didn't have "impact" -- and don't BS in your summary when your real intention is to restore fluffery.
 * remove Marxist class-warfare rhetoric (eg, "student groups" are not a "well-off sector"). A collapsing economy precipitated the strike; it was not the result of it
 * Changed sentence had two erroneous implications: That falling copper and aid were alone responsible for economic declines, which in turn were alone responsible for Allende's downfall.
 * Rv "fluffing". First paragraph replaced with wording similar to main Allende bio entry.
 * rv; pic did contain source information. Everyone keep an eye on Holocaust-related pics, as there appears to be a campaign afoot to delete them at Wikipedia (this was on an image removed by Orphanbot)
 * --Jersey Devil 01:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read my message to Wikiwoohoo on his talk page... and thank you for calling Mike18xx on his ongoing crap. I've already complained about it, but couldn't follow up on that until today. If he wants to call objections to his attitude and his misdeeds (such as his call for the flaming of unregistered IP addresses) "whining", then I will be happy to see him whined right out the door, for good. Wikipedia does not need his brand of troublemaking, IMHO. And he's one to talk about the "validity" of an article he did not write, but only tampered with, repeatedly. Zephyrad 06:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I see Lar has also tried to reason with (and warn) this user. I have asked him to check Wikiwoohoo's talk page (and yours) as well; he left a reply at the former. Zephyrad 08:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Property redistribution. Yes, the ball is in my court. I think the current article is worse than useless. I'll get there, eventually. But since he has now twice removed the NPOV tag without justification, it is clear that he will edit war if I restore it and, y'know, it takes two to make a war. - Jmabel | Talk 00:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Hi. Wh have you included the country in the redirect? I have read the manual of style and here is different. Regards --Emijrp 13:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright pablo
Alright Pablo I understand however I thought it was vandalism because the talk page discussion has put to rest the fact that the research done is not positive and that other research like it confrimed the opposite. So I am sorry Ill try to be more clear next time. (XGustaX 19:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC))

Has the time come?
Hello Pablo-flores, As you are aware the CG article has been getting hit with a lot of garbage recently. I am wondering if we could request semi-protection for it? -- Polaris999 22:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Flores,

Had you grown up in Cuba, you would in fact know that Ernesto "Che" Guevara was referred to as "El Carnicero de La Cabana." This is a commonly known fact. Please remember that wikipedia is not a website for use in political statements. Only factual information should be included in articles, thus your persistent erasing of common facts goes against the altruistic nature of this website.

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gabrielfoto (talk • contribs) 12:05, 7 September 2006.


 * Replied in Gabrielfoto's talk page... —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to the Criticism of Islam article
Re your edit : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Islam&diff=74341160&oldid=74301718.

It would be great if you could actually read what Lewis work here. It is a nice work and I'm sure you'll like it. See how Lewis starts his book on slavery:

''In 1842 the British Consul General in Morocco, as part of his government's worldwide endeavor to bring about the abolition of slavery or at least the curtailment of the slave trade, made representations to the sultan of that country asking him what measures, if any, he had taken to accomplish this desirable objective. The sultan replied, in a letter expressing evident astonishment, that "the traffic in slaves is a matter on which all sects and nations have agreed from the time of the sons of Adam . . . up to this day." The sultan continued that he was "not aware of its being prohibited by the laws of any sect, and no one need ask this question, the same being manifest to both high and low and requires no more demonstration than the light of day.

''The sultan was only slightly out of date concerning the enactment of laws to abolish or limit the slave trade, and he was sadly right in his general historic perspective. The institution of slavery had indeed been practiced from time immemorial. It existed in all the ancient civilizations of Asia, Africa, Europe, and pre-Columbian America. It had been accepted and even endorsed by Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, as well as other religions of the world.''

The comment you removed was in agreement with the spirit of Lewis's work I think. Regards, --Aminz 20:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Pablo-flores, I was wondering if I can revert your edit. Thanks --Aminz 06:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes. I didn't notice that. Sorry. --Aminz 21:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Pablo-flores, I think as long as the article presents the main points of the Lewis's document, I would be happy. The format isn't much of my concern. --Aminz 21:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Edmund Nelson AfD
I am considering a deletion review for the article but would like to discuss matters with you first. My overriding concern is that the discussion was closed less then 2 hours after I added a fairly significant component to article, which I also feel that you didn't fully consider. The relevance of the portrait (besides being done by a notable artist) is it's inclusion in the National Maritime Museum. Not only does a brick and mortar museum have inherent space and financial limitations, they also have high standards for inclusion in the materials and work they display. The fact that such a prestigous museum has deemed Edmund Nelson worthy of reference in their Horatio Nelson collection is very relevant. The context of the collection is very much a parallel to our Wikipedia entry on Horatio Nelson with the off link to the article page on his father. The deletion is basically saying that the standards of one the world's most famous museums is not good enough for Wikipedia. I can understand if you wish to personally disagree, however I do believe that the AfD should have lasted at least another day to see if the Community would have considered it more relevant. Agne 20:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. Again the bulk of my concern was how quickly it was closed after the additions made to the article and my proposal for keeping the article. Under 2 hours really didn't give the community time to analyze this other component. I also don't think the National Maritime Museum would have a reason to include the portrait of Edmund Nelson based on who the artist was. The reason is the subject of the portrait and his relation to Admiral Nelson, which this museum obviously thought merit inclusion. I do think I would like to go forward with the review. If consensus shows then that it needs to be deleted, I will understand. I just want to see the point get a fair shake. Thank you again for your time. Agne 19:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Baklunish Basin
I have noticed when you closed the above AfD, you did not remove the category template, "REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD". By deleting this when closing it pulls the discussion out of the category. I have deleted it from this discussion, but if you could review any other closures you have done recently and remove the tag from them it would be greatly appreicated. Thanks.

PS - I did read your AfD note at the top of the page, and I believe this notice falls outside of your request. --Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 14:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You have closed a number of AfDs in the past few days and have regularly not deleted the category tag. The official policy is at WP:AFDC.  I have been going through the listing in each of the categories CAT:AFD and removing the tag from pages that are closed and adding the approriate category code for those in the uncatagorised group.  Thanks.--Gay Cdn  (talk) (email) (Contr.) 21:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Impersonator
You are welcome. It was a pleasure :)-- Dakota 19:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Questions
Hello Pablo, I want to know why you consider that the external link to the Spanish for Latin American Forum http://www.english-spanish-translator.org/spanish-latin-america/ at Latin America and the external link to the Spanish Linguistics Forum http://www.english-spanish-translator.org/spanish-linguistics/ at Lingüística where not correct.

They are new growing forums from a growing community http://www.english-spanish-translator.org/.

I really want to know what I could add to Wikipedia and what I couldn't add so I do not lose my time and do not make others loose there time.

By the way, I also invite you to participate at those forums because I see from your profile that you are interested on that issues.

Thank you, best regards

Lautaro Ius

My edit
Hahaha, i'm aware of that, but i just couldn't resist it. And it isn't very away from the truth, he only needs the crowning. For Our Nation&#39;s Honor 19:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Doh!
Thanks for fixing the Santa Fe flood miscat. Sorry! Thanks. :) jengod 20:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Respuesta
Pablo,

Si pudiera contestarte en privado lo haría, pero como solo encuentro este medio para hacerlo, lo hago en público.

http://www.english-spanish-translator.org no es comercial, no vendemos nada ni hacemos publicidad de nada, es un foro estrictamente profesional donde 1000 traductores profesionales, hablan de cuestiones profesionales y acerca de la lengua inglesa y española.

Entiendo que reciben mucho Spam, pero me parece que prejuzgar que todo es Spam, o que todo foro es contenido sin calidad, como toda generalización es incorrecta. Leí y releí las normas sobre external links y creo que el contenido aportaba y aporta a Wikipedia, porque es un foro donde se pueden hacer preguntas serias a cerca de los temas donde el link estaba publicado y son respondidas con seriedad.

De todas formas gracias por responderme, y te invito a que veas que lo que te digo es así, entrando al sitio.

Gracias, saludos cordiales

Lautaro Ius lautaroius@english-spanish-translator.org

please undelete TerrorStorm
02:30, 13 September 2006 Pablo-flores (Talk | contribs) deleted "TerrorStorm" (Delete as per AFD)

Hi,

I can see no consensus on deleting (via the google cache, I was having trouble in finding it on wiki). Would you please undelete it? Besides, I am going to need the TerrorStorm article for a reference. Thanks. &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 15:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

re
I see, there are a lot of Deletes there. However, I missed the AFD-nomination (vacation) but strongly object to its deletion. What I see of the article in google cache is that it's a very elaborate article. Could you show me the history, how many authors contributed to it?

I do not necessarily need the code, I need the article to exist, so I can refer to it when referring to images portraid in it. I think being ignored by mainstream media does not make the subject unnotable. If we want wikipedia to reflect mainstream views only, we had better buy a real encyclopedia. Describing Alex Jones theories does not at all imply any support for his views by wikipedia. It's just a phenomenon. We describe it, neutrally.

Please, restore ! &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alex Jones may be a marginal phenomenon, he is definitely a phenomenon and I think that Wikipedia would be a better encyclopedia with the article restored[1].
 * Also, it would be odd that the August vote shows no consensus at all about the notability and the September vote does. I think we should, in fairness, also consider the August votes unless these wikipedians changed their mind explicitly.
 * Please: Could you please show me the article history, to see how many wikipedians contributed to it? I am considering an undeletion request. And could you place the source in my Userspace?
 * &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 20:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot !! Final question: it is now "forbidden" to write any article on TerrorStorm, right? Since the reason for deletion was not the quality of the article, but the "unnotability", any other article would again be on a "unnotable" subject?
 * My opinion: I guess not so many editors would have voted if the article was on the East-Peruvian black-eyed lizard being rescued by daring tourists &mdash; which would be even more unnotable. Could it be editors are afraid to be associated with Alex Jones, just because there are articles on him or his work on wikipedia? I think this would be a defeat for wikipedia.
 * I copied the source and removed it from my page.
 * &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 21:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your elaborate reply. I did not mean to be sarcastic, I just tried to make the point that I think the content or subject of the article might have contributed to the Delete votes, whereas the stated reasons given are: unnotability. I find it hard to believe that TerrorStorm is unnotable in the USA while it is a hit in the Netherlands (well, in the conspiracy scene), 10.000 km away. A lot of things have a small audience, but I believe the notability-criterion is just to prevent people from making articles about their pet, their friends, there family, their boss. We cannot have 6.000.000.000 entries on people. I don't think the notability criterion is meant to delete info on interesting phenomena. Look what I've learned from the deleted version of the article, which I did not know before, even though I watched the video: Why should I, and many others, be barred from learning this via wikipedia because of the notability guideline? &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 23:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jones has stated that he has spent almost 90 000 dollar
 * A final cut version has now been released with roughly 3 hours of footage including extras.
 * list of false flag operations (well, I knew, but did not remember all of them)
 * Muse lead singer Matthew Bellamy had a shirt with the text Terror Storm on it,
 * Factual Innacuracies (!!!)

A question
I am going to ask for permission, because I thought it was the right thing to do. May I use your box that says "This user is an RPGer"? That would really be appropriate for my page. It's fine if you say no-I was just wondering.

Thanks...can you respond on my talk page please? I appreciate it.

user:Dwslassls

Small Thanks
Recently, you closed the O&A Army AfD page, and left a very serious and helpful comment there. It made me think aboot the content of the article and what strides must be made for the future of this article. It's the kind of help that I've been looking for on Wiki for some time, unbiased and realistic. Arigato Gozaimasu! Payneos 16:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Havana Shipyards
Comments about this were moved to Havana Shipyards. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 13:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11
Could you please also make the source and history available to me for Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11 ? Thankx, &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 23:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * thanks, have copied it. But where is the history, please? &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 19:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Kirchner's article
What do you think about semi-protecting the page?—Argentino (talk/cont.) 11:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Traducción de Buenos Aires
¿Por qué aparece la traducción de Buenos Aires como fair winds y no como good airs (la traducción correcta de Buenos Aires)? Mariano Genio (talk)

Argentina: Music section and article
Hi there, I would like for you to read my message in the Talk: Argentina page. There are a couple of suggestions I have made there, but I'm specially interested in how should I proceed with the Music inquiry I made there. If you could take a look at it and give me advice I would appreciate it deeply. Thanks. The dugout 19:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Literature streamlining
BTW, it is now down to 69kb :-), without any loss of relevant info.

Thanks for keeeping the Facundo - Martin Fierro paragraph. To me that is a fundamental area to cover and for people to read, because it really goes to the heart of why Argentina turned out as we see it today, culturally, historically and in other ways, and quite frankly what makes the country unique in Latin America and dare I say beyond. The dugout 14:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Argentina Wikipedia Spanish article
The spanish article on Argentina is much closer to what this one should look like. Is it possible to take information, tables and pictures from that article and post them here? (translated of course). I would include the exact citations for the information as used there.

And can I use some of the pictures there? The dugout 16:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Rioplatense
Not that I had anything to do with this, but I think you may be over-zealous in considering it original research. I'd never heard of the terms myself, but a quick peek returned quite a number of results (,, to name but two) and Google Scholar offers some interesting references, such as Guitarte, Guillermo (1957), "El ensordecimiento del zeismo porteño", Revista de filología española, XXXIX, 1955, 261-83.; or Paufler, Hans-Dieter (1977), Lateinamerikanisches Spanisch, Leipzig, whose ToC mentions "Der yeismo, Der zeismo: Zur Aussprache des Phonems /y/". It might very well bear looking into. Looking for the Spanish endonym, "rehilamiento", yields more results, including an interesting quote by the otherwise very uninteresting Lázaro Carreter which I include in full below: "Rehilamiento: Zumbido o vibración característica que acompaña a ciertas consonantes (así, ẓ de hazme y z de asma, ž del fr. jamais). Navarro Tomás lo define como 'la vibración que estremece los órganos, no sólo en la laringe, sino en el punto de articulación, y el efecto acústico que de esto resulta'. Y refiriéndose a las formas rehilantes de la /y/ que aparecen principalmente con carácter dialectal en las provincias del Sur de España y en algunas partes de Argentina y de otrros países hispanoamericanos, añade: 'El rehilamiento hace que el timbre de la y fricativa se aproxime más o menos al de una ž sin labialización'. Amado Alonso define así el rehilamiento: 'Vibración adicional que algunas consonantes sonoras adquieren al rozar el soplo en el punto de articulación las mucosas de la lengua o, para la v, la membrana del labio inferior'. Hay que decir que en ninguna parte de España y de América, ni siquiera en el Río de la Plata, donde el rehilamiento ha alcanzado su mayor desarrollo, la ž < ll tiene un rehilamiento tan largo e intenso como la j = ž francesa. Además, como consecuencia de su punto de articulación más delantero, el sonido de la y rehilada hispánica es más agudo que el de la j = ž francesa. Se describen variedades sordas en el habla de Buenos Aires."
 * Lázaro Carreter, F. (1981) Diccionario de términos filológicos. Madrid: Gredos, pp. 348-349

Thought it might interest you. Best, Taragüí @ 19:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, I don't think you did wrong. It just sparked my own interest. I might get to the library and do some research. I'll keep you up to my findings. Best, Taragüí @ 17:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
Thanks Pablo. I am being very careful to only fill in missing areas and not duplicating info (example, basic info on Argentina's coastline which was on the Spanish article but not in the english one).

I have to be honest and tell you that the Picture thing is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY extremely complicated. I don't know how anyone is expected to know all the rules wikipedia has, and countries have (in English), let alone in other languages. Frankly is impossible and I get discouraged because I would like to add a couple of pictures. I want to add a couple of pictures I took myself, but I don't even know the rules for THAT.... :-| The dugout 20:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect Information in the German Wikipedia article
The error was corrected, Disregard. Thanx. The dugout 19:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

deletion review TerrorStorm
Hi Pablo-flores,

I've decided to start a WP:Deletion review procedure to undelete the article TerrorStorm. To avoid unnecessary workload, could you direct me how to go about? Here are my arguments: I argue, that the flawed arguments must be simply ignored, and what remains is: no consensus. Thanks, &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 21:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * the AfD process is not a vote, it is a discussion
 * from both the vote-count and the discussion I argue there was no consensus for deletion.
 * new fact: TerrorStorm has an IMDB listing now
 * there were proper AND flawed arguments used on both sides. Example:

Hi, are you willing to give me a pointer, or would you prefer I find out through trial-and-error? Thanks. &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 09:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much. And I fixed my talk-link. &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 13:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Fouled up editing at Argentina article
This is just to tip you off that the Argentina Article is fouled up, either someone did bad editing, or it's a troll (I'm new so I don't know!).

Can it be restored to the last correct version? Thanx!

Criticism of Islam
I usually let criticism go without comment as it is usually my fault for being to terse and quick, but I am curious why you left the comments you did on my page. Did you mean to leave those comments on someone else's page? Lao Wai 10:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Historia de Rosario
Por si te interesa: es:Historia de Rosario (Argentina). Mariano (t/c) 07:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

BunnyTrack on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of BunnyTrack. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Thryduulf 07:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)