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"Lineal"
Greetings. A formatting tip—lineal championship should absolutely not be displayed as "Lineal". It is simply "lineal", with no italics or title-case capital. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I really wouldn't recommend this. Capitalising and italicising the word "lineal" goes against any and all Wikipedia MOS guidelines. Same way as weight classes are not capitalised—it is a concept, not a proper noun. This is basic stuff. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This RfC also covered all that stuff in detail, which resulted in a clear consensus. Please read it. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you really sure you want to edit war over this? I can tell you straight up that you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to this formatting issue. The RfC at WikiProject Boxing (to which I'm linking you for a second time) came to a clear consensus on how to format "lineal", weight classes and sanctioning bodies. Again I advise you to read that, as well as MOS:EMPHASIS, MOS:CAPS and MOS:TITLE. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Specifically, I'd like to point you to this section at MOS:TITLE:


 * "There are cases in which the title should be in neither italics nor quotation marks (though many are capitalized): [...] Descriptive titles: a reference to or description of a work or part of a work when not using its actual or conventional title: 137th graduation address, conference keynote speech, an introductory aria, Satie's furniture music, State of the Union address, Nixon's Checkers speech; also: the season finale of Game of Thrones, not the 'Season Finale' of Game of Thrones"


 * ... which applies directly to lineal championships/titles. They are merely a conceptual achievement—one that is neither handed out in the form of a championship belt nor granted as an official status by a boxing governing body (TBRB does not count, as they make no mention of the word "lineal" on their website). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Mainstream media also uses lower case without italics:, , , , . Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then, I tried my best. See you at WP:DRN. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Manny Pacquiao. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. . Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC) You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Manny Pacquiao. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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An olive branch (or I think that's what it's called..)
Despite us getting off on the wrong foot, I genuinely wish to say nice job with putting the list of lineal champions together—the list was very much needed on Wikipedia. Work with other editors and it'll look really good. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 14:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Lineal titles, take #2
So much for that olive branch. Do you really want to do this again? You have no chance of 'winning' on this formatting issue, as multiple sources (which I dig up earlier) support lineal titles being presented in lower case without italics—not "Lineal". If we end up edit-warring again, with insults aplenty from you, I propose we take this straight to WP:DRN. If no response, then perhaps WP:AN3 could have a look if it gets hectic. Which one will it be? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 05:04, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * And yes, I am trying to get the formatting standardised—it's called being proactive. I'll certainly need that vote of good luck(!) if this keeps up... Mac Dreamstate (talk) 05:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Mayweather's record is a long and complicated one, and MOS:BOX was still in its early stages when I last tried to spruce it up. I'll give his record another try only after the MOS is absolutely finalised across WP. Just to make it clear, I haven't made up any of these formats myself just for fun—I'm simply going by WP's own MOS regarding capitalisation and italics. Many boxing articles are still a mess, so a new level of standardisation must be applied.. slowly by surely. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 06:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

TKO
Per this, you might want to know:"'In boxing, for a KO to occur a fighter must fail to beat the count, so TKO refers to any situation when the referee, cornerman, physician, or fighter stops the fight any time during a round when there is no ten count'"Khan was down, the referee was about to start counting, but waved it off instead. That's a TKO. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 05:42, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Juan Manuel Márquez / WBO Super titles
The WBO honorary titles that Márquez held should not be deleted as they are sourceable from the WBO's website, albeit with a lot of searching using the year and month filters. It's the same reason that WBC Diamond and "Champion in recess" are included in that section. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't really remember Marquez winning a WBO Super at Lightweight and Jr welter. He just won the full version of WBO but not as the Super champion status. Can you provide me a source or link confirming that award? Pacphobia (talk) 04:56, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting one, and I also didn't know about it until recently. Have a look at the WBO Super subsection for an explanation on what the "title" actually is. It won't mentioned at the list of current world boxing champions, because it doesn't work in the same way as WBA Super. The WBO's version is just an honorary award, like WBO Champion of the Decade; not a championship status that can be won or lost in the ring, and has nothing whatsoever to do with full championship or interim status (meaning there's no such thing as a "Regular" WBO champion).


 * If you look at the top of the WBO website's champions section, there's a detailed search function. That's what I used to narrow down the periods of time when Márquez (along with others like Hopkins, Calzaghe, etc.) held the WBO Super recognition. For example, compare the rankings from April 2009 (WBO > 2009 > April) to May 2009; that is when they gave him Super recognition at lightweight for the first time. Likewise for February/March 2012; he carried over his Super recognition to light welterweight. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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I am noticing the repeated adding of links to a champs list at cyberboxingzone.com across many boxer biography articles, especially to their leads, where such cites tend to be seen as unnecessary. This is giving the impression of a deliberate promotion of this specific stats site. I am removing all cites having a link to the champs list page. I advise that this practice be ceased because if others agree that the adding of promotional links is occurring, it could be used as a pretense for administrative action, up to and including a block. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:03, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Also please note that navboxes go after the "External links' section per WP:SECTIONORDER. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:41, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you clarify, with an example edit, the part about the navboxes? I might also be mistakenly doing it in some articles. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Like discussed on my talk page, I meant "succession boxes" to be more precise. They are considered a form of navboxes, though, because the section ordering guidelines say to show "other navboxes" after the succession boxes.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 22:23, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Stevie, I just want to clarify to you it's not a promotional links. If you notice on my edits, I only add (CBZ lineal champions list) link on articles of boxers who held the lineal championships and CBZ website is the only reliable source I found on internet. There's also the linealchamps.com website but their lineal champions lists are very questionable. If you still see it as a promotional link, then could you advice me or somehow show me how can I use that link properly from cbz website without violating WP:LEAD? Pacphobia (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * CBZ the only reliable source on the Internet for this information? That is ridiculous on its head.  Also, per WP:LEAD, we normally don't use cites in the lead for information that is already cited in the rest of the article.  There is no necessity for these CBZ links in leads.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 13:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I say yes. CBZ has the official list of lineal champions in boxing so why look for other sources which are not reliable? Are you telling me that I'm not allowed to use CBZ website for linking purposes even in the body section of an article? Pacphobia (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I really like the CBZ site, and the lineal champions article on here, but I can totally see why it would be considered questionable to be used on WP. If a list of content is supported by just one site, across the whole Internet, then unfortunately it'll likely to be torn to shreds by WP:RS and WP:PRIMARY. Other than CBZ, are there any other sources for a complete list of lineal champions, like a magazine or something in print? It'd help a lot. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The linealchamps.com website is also a good source but they only recognize 8 divisions maybe I could try it. I really cant find any better alternative source other than CBZ. I did all the searching on google but all the results are linked from CBZ website. CBZ has a great historic records and informations of old time boxing and they also have bio and accurate records of boxers so its more like a boxing history and record keeper website. I was really surprised that some users really hate this website. Even a bio of a boxer from that website cannot be linked on boxing articles WTF.. Or maybe Im dealing with a user who doesn't even know about boxing history at all? Pacphobia (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I noticed a few of these citations and don't think they belong. The lead summarizes the most important things in the article. Try to put the citations in the body of the article if it would be improved by having a citation to support that material. For some of the material you are adding the citations to, you can probably find a better source than CBZ. CBZ has the problems that Mac Dreamstate mentioned.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 01:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, Can you explain why you added the Cyber Boxing Zone citation to the Jackie Paterson article after this sentence: "The world title fight, held at Hampden Park in Glasgow, lasted only a minute, as Paterson caught Kane early in the first round putting him down twice, before he was counted out the second time."?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

My mistake I put the citation in the wrong sentence. Moved the reference here In June 1943, Paterson fought former flyweight champion Peter Kane from Golborne in Lancashire for the vacant World flyweight championship. Pacphobia (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * What parts of that sentence does the reference support?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 06:18, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * "for the vacant World flyweight championship". Paterson won that fight and claimed the lineal title. Pacphobia (talk) 06:25, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But that Cyber Boxing Zone list doesn't mention their fight or how Paterson won the title.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 19:46, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Lineal boxing champions


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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 04:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)