User talk:PadFoot2008/Archive 32

British India/British Raj vs. India
I understand your emotions but British India/British Raj one one side and India are not the same. Not political and not geographically. Could you please stop with pushing this personal view? The Banner talk 20:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @The Banner It isn't a personal view. British India refers to provinces of India during the Raj. British Raj refers to the period of British Crown rule over India from 1858 to 1947, sometimes the rule itself. While the entire country including "British India" and the princely states during the Raj, was called India or Indian Empire. This is a really basic thing, any editor working on articles related to modern Indian history should know this.PadFoot2008 (talk) 09:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have reliable sources for this? The Banner  talk 20:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @The Banner Of course, I do.
 * Interpretation Act, 1889 of the UK parliament (PDF link)
 * "(4.) The expression 'British India' shall mean all territories and places within Her Majesty's dominions which are for the time being governed by Her Majesty through the Governor-General of India or through any governor or other officer subordinates to the Governor-General of India. (5.) The expression 'India' shall mean British India together with any territories of any native prince or chief under the suzerainty of Her Majesty exercised through the Governor-General of India, or through any governor or other officer subordinates to the Governor-General of India."
 * You can refer to the Imperial Gazetteer of India for the term "Indian Empire" (link). PadFoot2008 (talk) 10:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the Gazetteer does not support your stance. And the other link is totally unclear as it lacks page and article numbers, so impossible to verify. The Banner  talk 12:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The Imperial Gazetteer is a government record, so I don't get why it doesn't support my stance. If the link isn't workable for you, you can search elsewhere for pdf copies of the Imperial Gazetteer of India. Also, I don't think you dispute the validity and content of the Interpretation Act. So I'm assuming you've accepted the definition for "British India" and "India", but are still in doubt with the term "Indian Empire". Correct me if I'm wrong. Also here are some references I borrowed from the Wikipedia article on British Raj, listing the definition of British Raj as given by historians and scholars. *


 * All of these describe the Raj as a period or era, or in some cases, the British Crown rule itself, but not the country. PadFoot2008 (talk) 01:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What I doubt are your claim that:
 * British Raj = India
 * British India = India
 * British Indian Army = Indian Army
 * some other claims that I don't remember now.
 * It is loud and clear that in 1947 British India was split into two (now three) states. Therefore, present India is not identical to British India but smaller. By naming it all India, you suggest that you are talking about the present state. That is not correct. The Banner  talk 09:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I'm definitely not making such claims except the one where you said 'British Indian Army = Indian Army'. The real and nominal name for the British Indian Army is Indian Army. The British prefix was added only in certain cases in Wikipedia such as the article name as there can't exist two articles with the same name. I'm now going to make a talk page in the article to explain rest of my edits. PadFoot2008 (talk) 03:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for such a conversation. You have edit-warred over content.  PadFoot2008 has earlier unsuccessfully suggested some edits on the British Raj page, related versions of which they are now attempting on other pages.  The Banner, please post on Talk:British Raj.  User talk pages are useful for warnings about behavior, not usually about protracted discussions on content.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  11:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Starting a discussion is also an attempt to stop editwarring/POV-pushing. That you think it needs a wider audience is something I agree with. Beside that, PadFoot2008 started a discussion here: Talk:Allies of World War II. The Banner  talk 11:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)