User talk:Pahlevun/Archive 2

WP:coatrack
Hi Pahlevun! I noticed you did a series of edits which you justified using WP:COATRACK but it doesn’t appear that you understand what that essay is talking about. All three of your edits are to the "see also" section of the page, where tangentially related context is expected to be, rather than to the body which is what coatrack is talking about. I’ve reverted your edits. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, User:Horse Eye Jack. I do understand WP:COATRACK. Linking Hostage diplomacy in the article of every foreigner arrested in Iran is an edit to make a point, just like that essay describes, and it makes a NPOV problem. If a reliable source has described the arrest as part of a hostage diplomacy, please don't hesitate to add it in the body of article, or else, adding it in the see also section, when no source is provided, is subject to COATRACK. Please consider reverting yourself. Pahlevun (talk) 17:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I had made my point earlier here, it should not be up to editors to determine "see also" unless it does not violate NPOV. Pahlevun (talk) 17:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your edit summary there "(WP:COAT. For every Zahra Kazemi, there's a Stewart Nozette.)” suggests that its you who is pushing a POV... What in the world did you mean by that? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You did a bit more than that in this one, does the same argument apply? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. The two Iranian-British dual citizens linked there were not directly connected to this person, and linking them is judging that their cases were connected. We can already link Shahrzad Mirgholikhan and Masoud Soleimani interchangeably. Is that correct? Do you think linking Humanitarian exchange bellow those articles is correct? Either way, the existence of a "hook" in a given article is not a good reason to "hang" irrelevant, undue or biased material there., per WP:COAT. Pahlevun (talk) 17:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Coatrack is an WP:essay whose spirit and letter you are abusing... Its not about the see also section at all. The MOS (Manual of Style/Layout) is clear on this "Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense.” There doesn’t have to be a direct connection BTW, they just have to be related in some way. If they were directly related to the article then they would be mentioned in the article and thus not be part of the see also section... no? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also just fyi the page Humanitarian exchange is specific to the Colombian context whereas Hostage diplomacy covers all contexts. If you meant Prisoner exchange we cant do that because its already linked in the text, if it wasn’t of course we could. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Everyone should refrain from actions such as accusing other editors of "abuse". Adding these articles bellow each other is against NPOV. Pahlevun (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand that is your opinion but can you specifically back it up with guidelines or policy? Also below not bellow. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NPOV is not my opinion, it is Wikipedia policy. Pahlevun (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes thats perfect! Now all we need from you is a specific quote which tells us what portion of the massive WP:NPOV you are invoking. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't need a specific quote for Wikilawyering, what we need is to understand what NPOV is. Stewart Nozette should not be linked to suggest that Kylie Moore-Gilbert was a spy, just like Hostage diplomacy which makes a judgement that she was innocent. It is not for us to decide, we should only describe. Pahlevun (talk) 18:50, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We do actually need a specific quote or at least a specific section you’re invoking, thats not Wikilawyering. I don’t think that linking either of those articles implies what you think it does. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason that I linked WP:COAT, was for you to understand what I mean and you clearly got me. You want to mention that arrest of Kylie Moore-Gilbert and others is part of a hostage diplomacy campaign? Find a reliable source and cite it in the body of article right away. You don't have one? You cannot link hostage diplomacy in 'see also' section, when you have no source. This is you connecting the dots. Pahlevun (talk) 19:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m confused, how are the coatrack argument and the NPOV argument related? Just FYI if something is linked in the body of the article it shouldn’t be linked in the see also section, you appear to be suggesting that no-one should ever use the see also section. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am suggesting that see also section should only link articles that are coherently related and do not push a POV, it is not a "coat rack" to hang unrelated articles or those making a point. This section can be used to evade Wikipedia policies WP:VER, WP:RELIABLE and WP:NPOV; what we are witnessing here. LGBT people in prison or List of people pardoned or granted clemency by the president of the United States are good links for Chelsea Manning; while Guy Burgess, Oscar López Rivera or Edward Snowden are not. Pahlevun (talk) 20:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that they are coherently related, please WP:AGF. Just FYI Edward Snowden would be an excellent link to add to the see also section of Chelsea Manning if he wasn’t already linked in the article. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Shahram Jazayeri
Hi, I working in that article for a few days but you removed anything I do! for example, according to his birth certificate which published on his Facebook account, he was born on 11 September 1972 in Tehran, his mother and father name also children names were correct also his real name is Shahram Jazaery Arab!. he has studied dentistry in Kerman and I have enough proof for everything I wrote on that article and YOU MUST BE RESPONSIBLE and undo your edits

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1346606285368741&set=a.1071053882923984

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 21:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi User:AlexMawi. I see that you are new to Wikipedia. Welcome aboard and try to learn more about Biographies of living persons. We should follow policies such as Verifiability and Reliable sources, and per those two policies, Facebook and other social media are not sources. I saw that you used Persian Wikipedia as a source. That is not a source either. Choose your sources among reliable WP:NEWSORG sources. Pahlevun (talk) 21:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

But you must be published correct information on Wikipedia and you providing false information for more than 10 years! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 21:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please consider reading Verifiability, not truth. That article is a very poor one in my opinion, and I really welcome its improvement, but with reliable WP:NEWSORG. We don't want to make it worse with blog posts or Facebook profiles. Pahlevun (talk) 21:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I wrote the truth according to documents which I have, YOU CAN'T find any BIRTH CERTIFICATE or any identify card on the NEWS!!!! so it should be correct and stop providing false information to the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 21:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If there is no source for something, then it does not belong in Wikipedia. Please read What Wikipedia is not. Pahlevun (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

proof for their children also you can found his children name on his google knowledge panel. https://faraanegar.ir/incidents/1564307007.495891 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 21:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not a reliable source. Pahlevun (talk) 21:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok Look bellow links I have a proof for any single word I wrote also for his net worth I have a court letter

IRIB https://www.iribnews.ir/fa/news/2489149/%DA%A9%D8%B3%D8%A8-%DB%B3%DB%B7-%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%AA%DA%A9%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%88%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF

https://donya-e-eqtesad.com/%D8%A8%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%B3%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%AA-%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86-62/2953688-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%AA%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D9%82%D9%87%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%B3%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C ROKNA https://www.rokna.net/%D8%A8%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%B4%DB%8C-8/494291-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AE%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%81%DB%8C%D9%84%D9%85 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 22:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The first source proves nothing and the other two are not so good. Please ask for help in Teahouse. Pahlevun (talk) 22:06, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

heh!so to according to which source the title is " who was involved in a high-profile corruption case."?! I advise you to search "Rokna" on the internet and watch his interviews with IRIB and Reza Rashid pour (Did dar shab) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 22:09, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Where and how I can upload my legal documents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 22:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a reliable source (Reuters) for the part you asked, and I urge you to use sources of that kind in English, instead of questionable sources like Rokna. You cannot upload legal documents here. Pahlevun (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, so why the born place is Ahvaz? according to which source?! also I researching on this case for more than 2 years I will update this Article with sources tomorrow. but for his personal information, there are not any sources on the internet, So what must we do? only birth certificate is our source

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/jul/2/could-the-mullahs-fall/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 22:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Feel free to remove the birthplace or any other information if there is no source for it on the article. I suggest you to do your edits on your sandbox (here: User:AlexMawi/sandbox) and refrain from editing mainspace until you are familiarized enough with Wikipedia. Pahlevun (talk) 22:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

How about his net worth? I have court letter which mentioned 1.5 billion in 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 22:31, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While I am surprised with your claimed access to such a thing, I'm afraid that's original research and not allowed on Wikipedia. Pahlevun (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

As I told you before I researched on that guy for more than 2 years and for each sentence I wrote I have proof. But luckily or unfortunately most of them not published on the internet but they are facts and from legal places! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 22:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Can every noble "researcher" like you access that in a country like Iran? Anyway, you may consider publishing your findings in places other than Wikipedia, your personal blog or whatever. If you are here to contribute to this encyclopedia, you should stick to the rules. I think I have provided enough material to familiarize yourself with guidelines, and I urge you once more to edit your sandbox beforehand. Pahlevun (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

because I'm living in Iran I have better access to news than you First of all His real name is Shahram Jazaery Arab (however not mentioned in any news) he knows as 2 names 1. Shahram Jazayeri and 2.shahram Jazayeri Arab (according to Washingtontimes and other news) secondly, YJC news is one of the most reliable sources in Iran and you should research more about that. finally, the title must be changed "because reuters source is for at least 12 years ago and after he got "full innocence of the alleged disruption of the economic system by branches of the Supreme Court" and covered that news by Tasnim (which related to Iran government) in 2015, that title and the charge is invalid" — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexMawi (talk • contribs) 21:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * First of all, please sign your posts on talk pages, using four tildes (~), or clicking the signature icon signature icon on the edit toolbar. Secondly, If you have anything about the article, please write on its talkpage, not mine, until other can see it in the future. Pahlevun (talk) 21:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

The title must be changed "because reuters source is for at least 12 years ago and after he got "full innocence of the alleged disruption of the economic system by branches of the Supreme Court" and covered that news by Tasnim (which related to Iran government) in 2015, that title and the charge is invalid" That means he wasn't involved in a high-profile corruption case. and you must focus on the latest news and the decision of the Supreme Court of Iran. AlexMawi (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)AlexmaviAlexMawi (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Write in the talkpage of the article please. Pahlevun (talk) 21:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you please explain what is the reason that you revert sourced edits in Komala page
Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, as can be seen in several sources (like their own words, Sabah Mofidi's article [which uses mostly Persian and Kurdish sources] etc.), is not communist party and it doesn't upholds M-L or Maoism in any way. What is your explanation for this? Beyaz Deriili (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. I will respond to you in the article's talkpage. Pahlevun (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_14
Hi there, just as a note for next time, if you nominate categories for CFD, you have to make sure that all of them have a tag so that people know they're under discussion. I've had to relist the whole discussion because only two of the nominated categories were actually tagged.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Bibliomaniac15, Thank you. I forgot to do that. Pahlevun (talk) 23:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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July 2020
Hello, I'm Lexy iris. I noticed that you recently removed content from Iran without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Lexy iris (talk) 15:30, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Lexy iris. Which content do you mean exactly? Pahlevun (talk) 15:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Is this message from you? Pahlevun (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

You already know. Dont use undo again. This is a big (In my opinion, incorrect.) change for Iran. and no, its not me. Lexy iris (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You need to understand that here in Wikipedia verification is a policy and based on the framework defined by reliable sources guideline, academic sources do determine that Iran is unicameral or bicameral, not worthless personal opinions expressed by commentators, pundits or politicians. Stop adding those institutions as the upper house of Iran, or anything like that, unless you can provide a quality source (by quality source, I mean something like Oxford University Press book which you persistently remove). Pahlevun (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * But this is a mistake. What about other resources? Lexy iris (talk) 15:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Which sources? Pahlevun (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Iran is not just Tehran for deletion
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Iranian warships
Please stop moving these articles to "IRIS Foo" titles. This is totally against the naming convention on ship articles where made-up prefixes are deprecated. Mjroots (talk) 19:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * IRIS is not made-up, it is officially in use by the Iranian navy. I have posted sources at Template talk:Infobox ship begin. Pahlevun (talk) 19:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

History of Iranian navy
Hello Pahlevun. Afsharid navy is very good. Thank you. Are you planned for Imperial Iranian Navy? Did exist Qajari navy? Benyamin (talk) 21:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Benyamin, thank you for your complement, I think that article is worth more expansion in #History. Shah's navy would be a good choice to work on, I am going to make List of Imperial Iranian Navy vessels in 1979 better for the time being (and after that, maybe I will create List of Imperial Iranian Navy vessels active in 1941 that the World War II aggressor British navy almost destroyed completely). During Qajar era, three notable warships existed in the south: Mozaffari, Susa and the flagship Persepolis. However, as far as I know, there was no niruye daryayi with a robust command hierarchy (maybe the ships acted coordinately, for their mainly anti-smuggling missions). Meanwhile in the north, there was no fleet and Russians dominated the Caspian. Plus, the British had forcibly taken every vessel Iran had during the so-called Persian Campaign of World War I, leaving Iran with no effective vessels. Reza Shah is usually credited with creating the modern navy (and reviving the northern fleet) by historians. Pahlevun (talk) 21:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great Ideas. I hope they done as soon as possible.
 * I think that article maybe need a rename to "Iranian navy (17th century)" (as Floor 1987 and Axworthy 2000), because it established in 1734, which is the Safavid age and Nader was regent. In addition, Samuel Gottlieb Gmelin wrote about the Gilan fleet in 1773, which Iran was under Zand rule at that time. Hence this rename is not necessary now, but we can think for it. Benyamin (talk) 17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The period between 1701 and 1800 would be the 18th century and what we know today as Iran, during that century was ruled by the Safavids, the Hotaks, the Afsharids, the Durranis, the Zandis and the Qajars (some ruled parts of the country at the same time). Each of them had their own military and some did not posses navies. I suggest you to bring the matter to the talkpage until others can comment on it. Regards. Pahlevun (talk) 17:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I moved it. Benyamin (talk) 10:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, Gmelin's book is a primary source. Have you seen any other source about the northern fleet? Pahlevun (talk) 17:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Marine Industries Organization
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List of the Iranian Warship
Hello Pahlevun...please do the correction for list of current Iranian Navy ship... because it's incomplete...and Moudge class and Alvand class is a frigate not corvette...and your wikitable is not suitable for the page...please change it Klueng (talk) 23:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi The source for that table is the 2020 edition of The Military Balance published by the International Institute for Strategic Studies, and it is mentioned that those two classes are considered frigates by other sources (such as Jane's). Pahlevun (talk) 10:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Pahlevun: please write back the original pages for list of current ship of Iranian navy. First you do many mistake in wikitable. Please correct for the type of ship. Example: frigate for frigate.and your list is not complete.We cannot believe only the IISS...because they are lacking information about it..ok.thank you Klueng (talk) 11:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Or we can do a cooperation for creating the page.. because many condemned you about the page... but I'm not condemned you because you are the best. Klueng (talk) 11:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear Klueng, which mistakes did you find exactly? I'm not saying IISS is perfect, but it is a reliable source. Since we should contribure with regards to WP:RS and WP:V, we cannot just put information on articles like this or that. Please provide reliable sources for your edits, WP:OR is prohibited. Pahlevun (talk) 13:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Helper template for partially italicizing redirects of ship names
I saw you created several redirects of ships. Some were added to the category Category:Pages with disallowed DISPLAYTITLE modifications‎‎ because the parameter for italic title prefixed was "17," which was longer than the page name.

Rather than just "fix it" by changing the number to 4, I created a wrapper template for the  function of Module:WPSHIPS utilities called ship name format. It takes the same parameters as the module. I replaced  with   in several of those pages.

Please check that category for any redirects you've created and make any necessary changes to get the page out of that category. If a page is in that category, the page title will NOT be changed anyway.

Also, I'm taking it on good faith that the redirects you created are not going to get you or me into trouble over the "General sanctions" listed at the top of your user talk page. I wasn't aware of them, or had long-ago forgotten about them, when I started this cleanup of Category:Pages with disallowed DISPLAYTITLE modifications‎‎. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  19:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for notifying me, I actually copied that from this redirect created in 2009 while not being aware of this. I will try to check if I had made such a redirect before and fix them. By the way, I don't think that there would be a problem with that GS, because neither the subject is relevant nor any misconduct has been made by anyone. Pahlevun (talk) 20:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

"IRIN" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect IRIN. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 2 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:08, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Shhhnotsoloud, I was looking forward to open a discussion. Pahlevun (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Sadeq Tabatabaei
Hi. During the work on List of prime ministers of Iran in fawiki, we had faced with some contradictions in the sources. the interim government had not a Prime minister, but who was headed the cabinet and preceded Rajai in the Prime ministership authorities? 1, 2, 3 and 4 are some sources that named Tabatabaei which is surprising for me. Also, this book named Tabatabaei as the Sarparast-e Nokhost-vaziri. These sources may not meet the WP:EXCEPTIONAL, however I can't find a reliable one which had described the situation. In my opinion, the head of the revolution council (Ayatollah Beheshti, who was succeeded by the President-elect Banisadr on February 1980) was the head of the government. What is your opinion about Tabatabaei's authorities? I remember that you made a revert on Sadeq Tabatabaei. Benyamin (talk) 12:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Benyamin. The book you linked seems a reliable source to me, as it is based on official records. I think Tabatabaei's Sarparast-e Nokhost-vaziri (on page 452) does not mean "Acting Prime Minister" however. He was the acting head of the center of government or Nokhost-vaziri, today's riasat-e-jomhouri (on page 448, it is mentioned that after resignation of Bazargan, "omur-e-mamlekat" –the duties of the prime minister– has been passed to the Revolutionary Council). Note that in the same table acting positions were indicated with the word kafil –Vaezi's title is also sarparast– and how Mahdavi Kani (who was the acting PM of the next interim government) is named as nokhost-vazir (page 464). So to speak, the Revolutionary Council were collectively responsible for leading the cabinet (instead of the prime minister) and existence of an acting prime minister would have been meaningless in my opinion. I think it would be fair to either say Rajai was preceded by the vacant office of Bazargan, or the Revolutionary Council. Pahlevun (talk) 13:15, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are these enough for wiki to reject the Shargh and others? Did you seen any related explanation on peer-reviewed works? I think same as you about differences of kafil and sarparast and was brought same reasons, but the dispute is going on.
 * That book, especially in the first edition, has many deficiencies and faults. Benyamin (talk) 13:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the WP:BURDEN here lies with those who claim that Tabatabai held office as the "acting prime minister" and frankly speaking, the fact that you couldn't find anything on this, speaks for itself: there is no explanation because there has not been such a misunderstanding up to now, when this is history for people who were born years after it. Anyway, pointing out some sources may be helpful: "November 6: Proclaiming that "it has become impossible for me and my colleagues to perform our duty," Mr. Bazargan and his cabinet resigned. The Revolutionary Council was ordered by Khomeini to take charge of the government."
 * A good (English) source is the CIA's reference aid 'Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments' (in public domain). In September/October 1979 version, Tabatabai is listed as the "Vice Prime Minister for Executive Affairs" (page 37), meaning that just before the resignation he was actually in charge of the same job, so it would be reasonable to assume that he was reinstated as Sarparast-e Nokhst-vaziri especially when others have been reinstated in that cabinet. In January 1980, there is no mention of an acting prime minister (page 37) nor Tabatabai himself.
 * There are day-to-day chronologies published by peer-reviewed sources available, but none of them mention Tabatabai as the acting prime minister even once and clearly say that the Revolutionary Council was put in charge of prime minster's duties:

"Nov. 6: Bazargan's provisional revolutionary government was dissolved and the Ayat Allah ordered the Revolutionary Council to take over the government. The Revolutionary Council issued a request that all Ministers continue in their posts until "a final resolution of their position" could be reach."

"بعد از استعفای دولت یعنی از ۱۵ آبان ۱۳۵۸ خورشیدی تا زمان آغاز به کار دولت محمدعلی رجایی با رأی شورای انقلاب، سرپرستی نهادهای وابسته به نخست وزیری را بر عهده گرفت"
 * Shargh article you linked does not need rejection, because it does not say anything supporting that he was the acting prime minister, in contrary it says "سرپرستی نخست وزیری و نهادهای وابسته" which implies otherwise. In case Persian sources are more welcome, these two make good clarifications:

"پس از استعفای بازرگان، خمینی او را به سرپرستی موقت دفتر نخست‌وزیری منصوب کرد"

That would be very bizarre for CIA and scholarly chronologies to ignore that an "acting prime minister" was in office in Iran. Pahlevun (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, as always. Even if I had a little doubt, it went away. Thank you for your kind response.
 * I think the exaggeration of his sarparasti was in purpose of propagation for him during the 1980 presidential election. Benyamin (talk) 21:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, Benyamin. Pahlevun (talk) 11:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Updating Organization of Iranian Kurdistan Struggle
Hello, I'm updating the Wikipedia article of Organization of Iranian Kurdistan Struggle because it's outdated. Specially the ideology and religion section. The Informations that I'm adding are up to date, please do not revert my changes.

Best regards Sarohusaini (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, your additions must comply with WP:RS and WP:V, or else you should expect being reverted. Pahlevun (talk) 19:50, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Pahlevun, Old sources are not reliable any more, please check https://www.sazmanixebat.com/english/item_detail.php?id=6697#.X2ZiUR6xUQY which is their official announcement. We can't ignore the real reliable informations and sources.

Best regards Sarohusaini (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * . Self-published sources such as that website are not reliable, and you cannot remove content on the grounds that it was published some years ago. If you have a reliable source that says something has changed, you can consider adding it instead of removing older sources. Pahlevun (talk) 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Pahlevun This article is made after third Congress of Organization of Iranian Kurdistan Struggle in 2004 and those wrong informations are referring to before 2004. I don't know why somebody would add wrong informations and for what purpose. I think it's bad for Wikipedia and it's users to consume misleading informations and it's bad for reputation of the Organization which is mentioned in the article. We can keep the background of the Organization and even add more informations. But the old ideology and aim of the mentioned Organization can't be displayed as it's current position, but it can be displayed in the history section. Sir you for years prevent anyone to add more informations to this article and you revert any changed informations. Please consider this discussion.

Best regards Sarohusaini (talk) 20:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What you want to remove is backed by an scholarly paper published in 2010, which is considered a reliable source per WP:RS. You need to provide reliable sources for what you want to add, or else it is called original researchm which is prohibited per WP:OR. Pahlevun (talk) 21:00, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

NPOV ISFAHAN TODAY

 * hello i named you in npov for a recheck question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Recheck
 * Baratiiman (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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You are just scared because what you done is censorship.Baratiiman (talk) 13:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I won't tolerate such a blatant personal attack. Stop it. This is your last warning. Pahlevun (talk) 13:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Where is the personal attack? I wrote "what you done" not "what you are " Baratiiman (talk) 14:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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Farsi
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 * Hi . Yes, I can. Pahlevun (talk) 15:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Khalij-e Fars or Kharg?
This may be interesting for you. I'd surprised! Benyamin (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification. It seems that Iranian navy has decided to use the name Khalij-e Fars for another ship other than the training ship currently under construction. We should wait until November 28th to see what this 'Navbandar' really is. Pahlevun (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's right. Benyamin (talk) 16:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * I find it very strange that a user's first ever edit is on my talkpage, asking for creation of an article. Anyway, you can ask at WikiProject Iran for requested articles. Pahlevun (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hi, that's fine because I have no intend to do that. Actually, I'm very concerned about COI at this particular article because a few months ago, media reported that the party has penned a contract with a company for paid edits on Wikipedia (please see here for evidence). Pahlevun (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe you are correct to be concerned about COI editors on that page. Most of them have been blocked now, but not all. It's a good idea to warn editors that you suspect, for example using the Template:Uw-coi or possibly use the WP:COIN notice board. I'm only saying that you should be careful not to post links to external websites, like social media pages, of other users on talk pages. You already did it once, and if you do it again you'll probably be blocked. I don't want to go into details publicly, if you still don't know what I'm talking about, you can e-mail me. Thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will keep that in mind to be careful in the future. Pahlevun (talk) 18:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Questions for you
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 * You have been warned (by others, not me) to stop filing irrelevant discussions almost on every noticeboard. Is this another episode or are you going to stop? Pahlevun (talk) 17:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I hope you're well and healthy. Sorry for coming to you again, I hope you're in the mood now. -- M h hossein   talk 07:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Mhhossein. Thank you, I wish the same for you. It's been a while that I'm not following the article, and as I understand more than 30 pages of discussion is archived in the talkpage (I do not remember more than a handful actually). I should take the time to update myself and If I had an input, I will write on the talkpage. Pahlevun (talk) 13:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome Pahlevun. I think you're editing experience along with your historical knowledge may help us with enhancing the quality of the page. Actually you don't need to review all the previous discussions. Looking forward to your comments. -- M h hossein   talk 05:27, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Iranian Kurdistan
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Iranian Kurdistan
Was this appropriate? --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:09, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It is now changed. Pahlevun (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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rahim pour
what is your problem?M.Nadian (talk) 13:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Read WP:RS and WP:V once. Fars News Agency is not a reliable source. You have not only removed scholarly sources published by Taylor & Francis, Cambridge University Press, Routledge and the Middle Eastern Studies, but also have given the impression that the subject of that article is a prominent "scholar", while he is not, according to reliable sources mentioned. Stop edit warring and undo yourself. Pahlevun (talk) 14:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Authentic sources are an exception. It is valid in the subject of Fars News. In the Persian article, I also refer to Fars News about the news and no one has had a problem so far. Did Cambridge say anything about him? I used Fars News instead of its own site about its positions.

My whole edition is not just that and more than that, Fars News is only one section.M.Nadian (talk) 14:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What is an "authentic source" and where in the WP:RS or WP:V exactly says so? English Wikipedia is an independent project and it is irrelevant to say that on another Wiki you did so and it was OK. No other project sets a standard for this project, especially one that allows mass creation of machine translations with portions of the content left in English. Pahlevun (talk) 14:19, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Where in the English wiki is what Fars News said is not valid?If Fars is not valid, what about Radio Farda? Fars is a news agency like the rest. In any case, these are not all my edits. I can exchange resources with another news agency tomorrow. thanks.M.Nadian (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The WP:BURDEN lies with yourself. Fars is not what WP:NEWSORG calls "well-established", and is rather notorious for publishing falsehoods. You cannot remove reliable scholarly sources, bring them back right now. Pahlevun (talk) 14:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you did not understand the reason for my use.

1. I did not delete anything specific

2. I used Fars News as his own speech. Excerpts from the biography Yes, but not lectures. I mean, what did he talk about that I said I will put another news agency tomorrow.

3. I fixed Infobox and "See Also" so I will not cancel the edit.you Can wait for me to change resources tomorrow, can you?M.Nadian (talk) 14:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You did actually remove several sources, including those I mentioned above. You should bring the content backed by those sources immediately, but you can add content SUPPORTED BY RELIABLE SOURCES anytime you want. Pahlevun (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

They had the wrong information, like Al Monitor, which wrote he was born in '95.

if they true i wrote again but tomorrow not now.M.Nadian (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I am going to make this straightforward. Are you going to bring back Taylor & Francis, Cambridge University Press, Routledge and the Middle Eastern Studies or should I do it? Pahlevun (talk) 15:08, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I haven't time today. you can do it but not by undoing or deleting my edit.

Of course, if their information is not incorrect. The fact that they are valid is not a reason for being 100% correct.M.Nadian (talk) 15:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Now that you refuse to undo yourself, I will restore the previous version. Please be notified that I will report another and revert. Pahlevun (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

.واقعا خستم کردی. گفتم خودت اضافه کن ویرایش های من رو هم لغو نکن سختته؟ از چی میخوای شکایت کنی؟ اگه ویرایش هام رو لغو کنی شکایت می کنم

M.Nadian (talk) 15:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)فقط بخشی که میخوای اضافه کن
 * You have to write in English on English Wikipedia if you want to be answered. Pahlevun (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

No need. Especially for someone who knows Persian.

You are really tired. I said add it yourself, do not cancel my edits, is it difficult? What do you want to complain about? I will complain if you cancel my edit.

Just add the part you want.

Do it and finish it. This is the best work.M.Nadian (talk) 15:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't own the article, other users are entitled to make changes in accordance with policies and guidlines. And be advised that Wikipedia is not your WP:SOAPBOX to a present conspiracy theorist as a "scholar", based on sources like Fars News. When content clearly contradicts with reliable sources, the "best work" is to throw it into garbage. Pahlevun (talk) 15:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Your words are meaningless. There is no reason to cancel my edit because it contains multiple sections. This is spoiling the article.

Because wiki is for everyone, you can edit it yourself, I did not stop you.

There are many people on Wikipedia who are conspiracy theorists. In my opinion, Rahimpour or Fars News are not in this group.

If we complain, we will both be closed for at least 48 hours.

This is my last message on your page about Rahimpour.M.Nadian (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

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Missing cites in Radical Islam: The Iranian Mojahedin
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 * Menashri 1992
 * Leaman 1990
 * Hyman 1990
 * Darrow 1992

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Some falafel for you!

 * Thank you! Pahlevun (talk) 12:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Edits on Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict and vandalism
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 * Per WP:VANDAL: "On Wikipedia, vandalism has a very specific meaning: editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose, which is to create a free encyclopedia, in a variety of languages, presenting the sum of all human knowledge." Their edit, although certainly a bit too WP:BOLD (they should've opened a talk page section), does not constitute vandalism. - LouisAragon (talk) 08:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I am going to ignore the uncivil part of your message that blatantly tags me as something that I am not. Actually, WP:OR applies to the current situation of the article. I opened a thread at Talk:Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict/Archive 1, and I expect you can answer my question. Pahlevun (talk) 08:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Pahlevun (talk) 08:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! You've been fixing a lot of important and/or neglected stuff. Btw, given your area of interest, you might be interested in this - LouisAragon (talk) 10:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am currently on something else but will definitely keep an eye on that article. At first sight, it is weird that a user with less than 500 edits has been able to create such an article. Pahlevun (talk) 11:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

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Your "Mojahedin offshoots" articles
Why did you create so many new articles about "Mojahedin offshoots"? I have not gone through all of them but some look like duplicates, for example Marxist Mojahedin and Organization of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class? Fad Ariff (talk) 12:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I hope you are not hounding. In case you are just curious to know, there are no duplicates. Peykar is itself an offshoot of the Marxist faction, whose members diverged in their career after the revolution and founded new groups. Pahlevun (talk) 14:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Ahwazi Arabs
Hi Pahlevun. You've added the short ref "Shahibzadeh 2015", but haven't added a full cite to the Sources section to define what that means. Could you do so, or let me know what work this is? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi . The book is 'The Iranian Political Language: From the Late Nineteenth Century to the Present', I am currently adding content to the article and will definitely include it in the bibliography. Pahlevun (talk) 19:07, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pahlevun. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Pahlevun (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Your "Mojahedin offshoots" articles
Why did you create so many new articles about "Mojahedin offshoots"? I have not gone through all of them but some look like duplicates, for example Marxist Mojahedin and Organization of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class? Fad Ariff (talk) 12:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I hope you are not hounding. In case you are just curious to know, there are no duplicates. Peykar is itself an offshoot of the Marxist faction, whose members diverged in their career after the revolution and founded new groups. Pahlevun (talk) 14:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * This is a topic I am familiar about and edit here, so I am not hounding you. See for example Where does it say that Peykar and the Marxist wing of the Mojahedin were two different groups? Fad Ariff (talk) 11:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It says: "It once constituted the Marxist wing of the organization" (constitute = be (a part) of a whole). Also, "later forming Peykar" (so they were not the same).
 * P.S.: Neither Amirahmadi nor Parvin are experts on the subject, having studied regional planning and economics respectively. That's why they wrongly write that "Marxist-Mojahedin were expelled". They were never expelled, they continued to operate under the name of Mojahedin until late 1978. Pahlevun (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Pahlevun, academia seems to disagree with your assessment that the “Marxist Mojahedin” wasn’t the same group that later came to be known as Peykar. for example:

Dr. Kaveh Farrokh is an award-winning scholar with expertise in Iranian military history.

“James A. Piazza is Liberal Arts Professor of Political Science. His areas of research and teaching specialization include Terrorism, Counterterrorism, Political Violence, Intrastate Conflict, and the Politics of the Middle East and Islamic World.” Dr. Arash Reisinezhad “is a research fellow at the Middle East Studies Center and an adjunct professor at the School of International and Public Affairs at Florida International University.”

. (I will stop providing author's resumes from here since I don't think it is necessary)

.

Fad Ariff (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No. An Iranica entry written by Torab Haghsehnas (a prominent member of the MEK in the wake of establishment, later a senior member of the Marxist faction and one of the leaders of Peykar) perfectly explains the offshoots of the Marxist faction, and even mentions the failed unity conference after the revolution. Abrahamian's Radical Islam: The Iranian Mojahedin (which is by far the best monograph on the MEK written in English) also stresses the distinction between the Marxist faction and Peykar on pages 145 and 146. There are other reliable sources available, which I leave out for this discussion. A glimpse of the sources you have labored to quote shows that some are bad scholarships that include gross mistakes (like wrongly mentioning the schism in 1974 or 1976, while 1975 is right. That's because many of the authors are not experts on the MEK or the Iranian Left), and that you have not been careful enough to not include Amirahmadi's book (which we discussed above) or another one that is actually harming your own argument because it says "[members of the Marxist Mojahedin] formed a new Marxist organization".
 * Anyway, these sources do not support your claim. Do you claim that Nabard, Arman or Worker's Way did not exist or were not offshoots of the MEK's Marxist faction? Do you claim that Peykar was not a result of merger with some other Maoist groups? There is no evidence of absence because there are multiple sources written by subject-matter experts on the MEK that say otherwise. This is not a matter of academic dispute, it is simply a matter of subject-matter expert vs. non-expert scholar. Pahlevun (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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