User talk:Pak21/Archive2

comics
Hey, i noticed you removed Colin McNeill from the reference of the Bloodquest and as it is a comic series i thought it would have been appropriate to include the illustrator? i could be wrong? thanks for the editations on the leonatos aritcle by the way :D its nice to see someone caring about him Lowris 21:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

in an update to that matter I asked Saberwyn and he said to reference anyone on the front cover which include mc neill, ill wait until you make a decision on the matter though, it could be useful isn setting precedence on comics? the reference page could possibly updated to include more warhammer comics? sorry for the trouble Lowris 21:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

ok sounds good, ah right yeah, thanks Lowris 16:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dab page style
Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) (the issue was debated a few months ago, but I see the general principle - with only a few exceptions, not including subtitle linking - is still "avoid pipes")

The only alternative I see would be to make a single link for fictional Emperors on the Emperor dab page, and let users find out for themselves that there is a separate subsection for "Kaisers" on List of fictional rulers (but I'd think that also a solution with low user-friendliness)

Note that on the Emperor dab page there were already links showing as Emperor and Kaiser - readers of the encyclopedia are even less expected to know in advance that not every link is the same as it shows. --Francis Schonken 16:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops sorry, on second reading the MoS page I mentioned above says "Use piping if you're linking to an anchor point on the target page"; but in that case I'd make something like this
 * "Emperors" section of the List of fictional rulers
 * "Kaisers" section of the List of fictional rulers
 * what do you think? --Francis Schonken 16:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The solution you propose could be considered both overlinking in general (4 links to the same page in two lines!), as contrary to the idea of having only links that point directly to where you want to disambiguate. Also it still leaves the confusing links "Emperor" and "Kaiser" each showing twice on the dab page. --Francis Schonken 16:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Recent 40k edits
I've tried to fix up all the edits done to List of Space Marine Chapters over the past few hours... have a look, I may have missed some. I'd also play with the main 40k page, in particular the edits by Colonel Marksman, but I have to go to work. Just a heads-up. -- Saberwyn 20:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

warning
pak i left that warning for a different bit of vandalism, should have made it clearer maybe Lowris


 * yeah, i forgot that wud happen - i had to have it speedied out, was complete rubbish, damn my own shortsightedness lol Lowris 12:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

40K Main page notability
I'm thinking we need to start with a clean slate concerning the main page notable figures list, so I've created it here.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Notability/Main Character debate space

Come looksee and comment. -- Saberwyn 10:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Gods Reply
I'm going Gods with a big G at the mo, but I'm just herding them all at the moment, Someone with a better grasp of 'proper' English grammar can fix it at another time. -- Saberwyn 09:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

40k articles for deletion
I'm considering nominating the following for deletion I'd like your esteemed opinion on both of these before I nominate these for deletion. -- Saberwyn 09:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Deep strike - Wikipedia is not a games guide or subsitiute for the 40k rulebook
 * Nerve glove - Minor piece of tech used exclusively by the Imperial Fists (one thousand men in a galaxy of untold billions). I nominated it once, but it resulted in a no consensus keep


 * Ah, the one failing of the Prod system. I would say merge to Terminators, but because there's nothing but a rules summary and a price guide, a simple redirect should do it. If its contested, take it to deletion. -- Saberwyn 20:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The Emperor and his real identity
You edited out my comment on the widely maintained belief(/joke/assumption) common to almost everyone at the Games Workshop Design Studio in the late 1980s that the Emperor was originally in fact popular entertainer Cliff Richard. I wasn't being malicious or facile, I worked there at the time (in quite a senior position, with input into the first edition of 40K, and someone who knew both Brian and Rick very well) and was stating this as a fact, not an April Fool's joke.
 * The problem is that unless this fact is backed up by a reliable third-party source, it is not externally verifiable and cannot be included. -- Saberwyn 23:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I still have some then very rare 'for internal use only' photocopied documentation giving the 'history of the 40k universe' (as then percieved), the nature of Chaos in it (etc., etc.). Of course it's not on headed notepaper, so I assume it wouldn't count, no matter how genuine..? I don't have any particular axe to grind, just thought it was an amusing aside which would disappear forever unless noted.
 * It's one of those ones that would be very difficult to call, but unless it's been published, I'd have to guess no. As an aside, I'd be curious to see whats in those docs.
 * Also, would it be too much to assume you possess copies of some of the older rulebooks and codexes?-- Saberwyn 23:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I can see the problem, but then of course it was never considered for publication, it was an in-joke based entirely on the British popular press description of Cliff as 'eternally youthful' and this, combined with his strong Christianity meant that it was possible he stayed youthful, and eventually became the ruler of humanity. That was why I phrased my comment so carefully, not that he *was* the Emperor, but that it was a unofficial but commonly held belief - I heard it myself first from Rick. As to the docs, I still have them somewhere, my gaming history goes back to the late 70s, when I worked for (amongst others) Bryan Ansell's Citadel (when it was based in Newark, before the GW merger), and then GW/Citadel Eastwood and the Design Studio. As I rarely get rid of anything (much to my partner's annoyance), I'll dig them out for you. I do have original copies of many of GWs products (including both mine and John Blanche's own 'signed by everyone at the Design Studio' 1st edition 40k, all the products and WDs I wrote for and a lot of original John Blanche (and many others) artwork, given to me at the time. If there's anything you'd like a look at, let me know.
 * Good. Go have a wander over to WikiProject Warhammer 40,000. By having access to the old material, you'll be useful in verifying information from the era your publications are from (All i persoanlly own is late 3rd ed/4th ed stuff). And while youre at it, get yourslef an account. -- Saberwyn 00:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Categories
"Hi. Please do not add categories to userboxes, such as you did to Template:User Volleyball Player. That causes both the template itself and every user page which includes it to be listed in the category, which is entirely not what the categories system is intended for. Cheers --Pak21 15:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, should probably read Wikipedia:Categorization#User namespace for the guidelines on which categories are appropriate for user pages. I've nominated Category:User volleyball for deletion. Cheers --Pak21 15:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Pardon me, please clarify your statement. Can you please cite exactly where in the categories system, users are not allowed to use the category template to organize wikipedians that which to be notified, known or referenced for their expertise in volleyball for the volleyball template. It would be nice to know when these rules were agreed upon and put into effect, in which straw poll. --Masssiveego 22:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Per the above, there is actually a correct way to use categories with userboxes. If you put   in the userbox, it will put the userbox in that category, but not all the pages where the box is used; by contrast, if you put    in the userbox, the pages where the userbox is used will appear in the category, but the userbox itself is not. Cheers!  BD2412  T 22:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ciaphas Cain ...
... has been deleted for a history merge, as per your request :)   Proto    ||    type    09:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to go, no time to finish this. I have undeleted it, so it remains waiting for someone else to help out (no harm done :D).  Sorry!    Proto    ||    type    09:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

History merges
Hi. You speedy deleted Ciaphas Cain and Gideon Ravenor yesterday after I tagged them with to perform history merges from Commissar Ciaphas Cain and Ravenor respectively, but as far as I can tell, no history merge as been performed. My understanding was that admin intervention was still needed to actually perform the history merge: if not, could you please give me some pointers as to how to do things. I understand you may not have time to do the merge at the moment: if so, could you undelete the articles so another admin can have a go? Cheers --Pak21 10:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops! I guess that shows that I've still got some things to learn!  I didn't realize further admin action was necessary, I've restored both.  Time to go read up some more in my "Being a Wikipedia Admin For Dummies" book.  :D  Best regards, C HAIRBOY  (☎) 02:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

IOC Country Codes
Hey, I recently made a change on the IOC Country Codes page to disambiguate one of the three-letter codes there, which you reverted, stating "that is deliberately a three letter code". What is the usefulness of having this as a three-letter code link, intentionally linking to a disambiguation page that includes links 15 different pages, including a computer device, a museum, and a Star Trek character? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply redirect that link to the one page on the disambiguation page that actually matters? (Romania, in this case) --Maelwys 18:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Governor Severus
Should we not get rid of La'Kais as well? - SGCommand
 * I still believe we should have a description of him somewhere, any ideas? - SGCommand
 * I will start it off but must help me please.

UPDATE: Done it but need some help please. - SGCommand

Holiday
You sure you don't mean April? :) -Localzuk (talk) 19:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

whoops!
thanks for catching that in the edit summary. i have corrected the mistake in my tools - im glad it wasn't really like that in the article! phew! :) JoeBot 20:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Tau Revised Page Temp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Saberwyn/Saberwyn%27s_Tau_Article

This was finally written up. Saberwyn did a good job too writing up the whole bloody thing almost by himself. Take a look and see for yourself. Colonel Marksman 21:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Image question
Hey Pak, I understand that you removed my tag. I dont know what copyright status the image should be given, all I did was find the image here, What status is this?. Im sorry for putting it under GPL when I really didnt knwo what GPL was (it was just given to some other Warhammer 40K image) -- Psi edit 23:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Edit Sum
I didn't know that bit of information, thanks for telling. Colonel Marksman 03:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Requesting permission...
to call my little Tau rewrite a wrap and list it on "Requested Moves" for a historymerge move. -- Saberwyn 10:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * While I'm there, I'm going to draft they layout up as a template/guideline for the wikiproject (under the as-yet-unwritten WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/ArmiesAndSpecies page) -- Saberwyn 10:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Guidelines
Thanks Pak for changing the templates. Colonel Marksman 14:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Tyranid categorisation
Duly noted. To be honest, I was scrabbling around for something to put it under, and I picked that as seeming a good fit. I didn't realise 40k species were a subset... Any ideas on how it could be further categorised? It looks a bit lonely with just the one, and integration is always a good thing. -- Colm O&#39;Brien 12:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Space Marine Chapters
Thanks for the revert... I don't know whether to laugh or cry because of that effort... -- saberwyn 11:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The 4 Drams

 * Comment moved from user page --Pak21 13:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mr pak21 you recently proposed the deletion of the page displaying information on the folk band The 4 Drams. However, several points seem to have escaped your notice. The reformed version of the band has been offered a music contract from two significant record labels. They have also toured northern Britain and Ireland and been seen by over 100,000 people. It appears that you have misjudged the credentials and nature of this band. I suggest that you desist from further slanderous remarks against the musicians and the writers of the page.

Yours sincerely, concerned reader from Scotdisk Music Corporation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.55.144 (talk • contribs).

Apology
I apologise sir for any offence i have caused. I am not used to dealing with people in this way and am not - as i'm sure you deduced - Knowledgeable of Wikipedia and the etiquette which should be followed. I do, however have proof to the existence of the influencial Scottish folk band the 4 drams. I am unable to bring it to your attention due to my lack of computer expertise but the IT department are sending someone over. The google search you took revealed very little due to the secrecy surrounding the band and the short time it has been running. I am sure once the album is recorded and on shop shelves more shall be written. My google search brings up 1,580,000 17 of which relate to the band. I again apologise for the offence i have caused. Thank-you for your time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

Sorry to be a constant pain in the neck
I can get proof by Monday - over the weekend we are closed and today i am practically on my on in here. Will you cease activities until monday please. Thanks for your patience —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

Wonderful
You really are very good at this wikipedia stuff. I didn't go through with my "little stunt" as you saw. My conscience got the better of me. It was really just to illustrate the effect that one man's actions has an effect on anothers and that you for no decent reason are trying to delete an article which is not offensive nor infactual. If you really wish to make use of yourself do something about the hundreds of "dead end pages" not pages in which people have an interest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

Deletion
How does the deletion work exaclty...is it fairly debated and the pros and cons are all considered bearing in mind public opinion or does some big wig decide from a dimed room in Los Angeles? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

Volleyball
Oops. I didn't mean to make it sound like vandalism. Its been a few days, so I don't remember specifically, but I think I remember that most of the additions were not actually true, and they didn't really add to the article. I just finished with school for the semester, so I'm hoping to spend some real time cleaning it up. I'm fairly new here, but I'm wondering if its not a good idea to break off some of the sub-headings into their own articles so that they can be expanded appropriately, and so that the volleyball page isn't quite so long. --PaddyM 14:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Urban Culture
Whoops, my bad. I didn't find the category on WP:CFD (not realizing it was on the May 6th discussion logs), and since Wikipedia articles are usually named such that non-proper nouns outside of the first word are not capitalized, I thought the category was the result of a typo (which also explains why Independent Journalist moved it to the Category:Urban culture). I also noted it was empty and speedied it. The CfD discussion I guess should still go on over the issue of deletion for Category:Urban culture, and I'll add a comment on the discussion about my deletion of the first cat. Thanks, AndyZ t 18:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Goodbye
Nice dealing with you despite our differences —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

and i thought we were friends pacman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

sure thing man —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicero Dog (talk • contribs).

Cicero_Dog report on WP:RFI
I've indef blocked for disruption. What's the situation with Ciraric? Petros471 14:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, we can do a bit of wait and see. Let me know if anything needs my attention. Petros471 14:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

warhammer 40k
unbalanced vs imbalanced..

Imbalanced is more commonly used word. Do a google search, imbalance yields 24,700,000 results while unbalance only gives 1,630,000.

What makes you think that I was only testing? That was very rude of you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.234.181.253 (talk • contribs).


 * Hi. I didn't know what you were doing, but testing seemed to me to be an assumption of good faith. For reference, 'imbalanced' is not an English word, which is why I reverted your edit to leave 'unbalanced' there. Cheers --Pak21 14:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * imbalanced is indeed an english word. go check your dictionary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.234.181.253 (talk • contribs).
 * For your information: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=imbalanced —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.234.181.253 (talk • contribs).


 * and by the way Pak imbalance is definately an english word. It is, however, rarely used. Cicero Dog 13:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes imbalance (noun only, not a verb) is an English word, and quite common! However... imbalanced, the adjective form, while a perfectly valid word - is much rarer. Unbalanced is much more common than imbalanced. An imbalance is often a temporary condition of something that is usually well balanced. Unbalanced generally implies a complete or near-complete lack of any balance at all, which is more likely to be permanent. People generally use the words like this: "Mmmm Obi-Wan, I feel a bit of an imbalance in the Force today, hmmm yes". People would rarely say "... a bit of an unbalance in the force". That's probably because unbalance is more commonly used as a verb, as in "tally ho, old chap - yield or I shall unbalance thee from thy lofty arrogant perch". So unbalance is not used as a noun so often. But when the adjective is required people will say unbalanced, as in "Yoda, i think its more than just a bit of an imbalance... I'd say the Force is as unbalanced as a drunk young jedi trying to sit on the tip of a light-sabre. Its totally out its tree. It looks like the Dark Side is on the verge of winning forever! And by the way Yoda, I think you're growing breasts, do you perchance have a bit of hormonal imbalance?". So the two words used commonly are imbalance as a noun, and unbalanced as an adjective.

Apology
I would like to apologise for my behaviour of late and assure you it will not happen again. Cicero Dog 18:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Land Raider
I just reverted your revert on the Imperial Vehicles list. To better explain: the first line of the paragraph specifically says the LR was used by all Imperial forces, before it was limited to the Space Marines by the Emperor. The second/removed line says the Space Marines and the Imperial Army were the major users of the Land Raider, before the Emperor's decree. Do we really need to say that the IG used to play with this... twice in as many sentances? -- saberwyn 13:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Don;t worry, we all make mistakes. You're only mortal. -- saberwyn 13:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Psp authority
Sorry about replacing your comment with mine at the deletion page for Psp authority. I'm not sure how it happened. Thanks for catching and correcting it. --Ed (Edgar181) 16:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)