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22:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

FTN (Coulter)
The claim that lack of evidence is what keeps creationist apologetics in business is not what was posted. There is no lack of evidence and nobody claimed otherwise. However, if the evidence is presented in ways that line up with some of the criticisms of the anti-evolution crowd (such as predictions being vague or unfalsifiable) that does keep them in business, and it allows them to emphasize these superficial expository problems as a way to generate credibility at the outset of their arguments that can be "spent" later for the less supportable claims.

I'm posting here in case you want to correct the statement before I reply. I don't want to digress the FTN thread onto the science too much, rather than the issues about the handling of Coulter and similar "weak ID" types, and it would be one less thing to comment on. If you prefer to leave it as is, no problem.

(The posted claim was: "theory and evidence correct, exposition flawed". IDers are kept in business by this discrepancy which directly states that the evidence is adequate.)

Sesquivalent (talk) 04:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I may have misunderstood your comments. My impression was also that more extensive discussion at FTN was unnecessary (there was some constructive work with sentence formulation however) but I cannot prevent you from posting there and have no particular authority on WP.  The ideal is the article's talk page (its archives also help future editors evaluate past consensus) and to keep comments concise and directly related to article improvements per WP:NOTFORUM, of course...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 00:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * At FTN I made the same request, to discuss on the article's talk page (for proposed phrasing of edits rather than general FRINGE matters) but several people including the ones from the talk page kept at it on FTN, and the discussion has unfortunately migrated there. I don't think there will be much more, but who knows. Sesquivalent (talk) 06:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Another one. I also see the standard "there are unresolved details so maybe alternative explanations are right" kind of narrative above is puzzling because nobody made that argument or mentioned any alternative explanations during the discussion. I mentioned "gaps" in expounding the standard established theory (the resolved details and how they logically support that theory), and said they can be closed by a gap-less (and of course God-less, designer-less, pedestrian scientific) form of the same explanation. Such as distinguishing between falsifiable and unfalsifiable predictions, or treating evolution as a mathematical scaffolding for the theory rather than calling it a "theory". Very different from an appeal to ignorance. Sesquivalent (talk) 03:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not the only one to perceive apparent standard apologetic arguments there. I suggest keeping posts shorter and concise...  My last comment on the thread there attempts to re-focus on the main previous points: is a mention of creationism advocacy DUE?  Is it relevant if she believes it or not?  What do secondary independent sources say (since on WP it's the view of those sources that should be presented on Godless and on Coulter).  Do those sources make the ID association?  The WP:RDS noticeboard might be a better place to chat about the merits and details of biology (although I admitedly myself took the bait when reading comments that I perceived as misleading).  — Paleo  Neonate  – 20:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think things are well past the point of diminishing returns for further FTN discussion of Coulter, but the question of a clear standard for classifying ID (vs anti-evolution) might be relevant as a separate thread since people like Coulter, Gelertner, Berlinski and Stein all seem to be near the boundary in one direction or the other.
 * With respect to "apologetics", I guess a boatload of false-positives are to be expected as FTN attracts veterans of the internet crank wars who have their antennae set very sensitively to any signs of the familiar patterns. I posted here since there is no point disputing it at FTN and since notifying you might lead to the statements being edited.  (Not that you're obligated or expected to do that, of course.) Sesquivalent (talk) 00:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Most VS Many scientists argument around SARS-COV-2 natural origin
I've created a talkpage discussion on the use of terminology in "most" VS "many". You indicated you believe there are many reliable sources which indicated a polled majority (50%+), none of these are in the article nor have I been able to locate. Please discuss or add as cited references within the article DRASTIC. Aeonx (talk) 03:10, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I answered there, — Paleo Neonate  – 06:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

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16:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

ANI where I mentioned you
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:NadVolum disruptive behavior. Thank you. I mentioned you in relation to my concerns over stuff another editor has done, but I'm not suggesting you did anything that causes concern. Nil Einne (talk) 23:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a confirmation that I didn't ignore this, I just thought I had nothing to add to the discussion there. Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 16:51, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Quick MEDRS question
Just wanted to get a second opinion, since I see you've been active around these areas on WP -- do you reckon this is a reliably sourced edit? :^) jp×g 04:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg Just in case besides humor an actual source should be evaluated (they didn't provide any) which one? — Paleo  Neonate  – 16:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking something like . jp×g 02:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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15:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

DISC assessment again
I'm sorry to say that DISC assessment has managed to accumulate more promotional content, mainly at the hand of a single user. If you can spare any time I would appreciate your eyes on this article. Salimfadhley (talk) 22:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again, I have looked and it seems that you've handled this already. I'll still read the article and comment on the talk page.  Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 15:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Molnupiravir Ivermectin
Hi, I saw your edit in the talk section of the wiki page Molnupiravir on the differences in antiviral pathways and figured I'd bring it over here, as it seemed almost off topic and filling up the talk page there to respond on that talk page. First I would like make a quick comment on your name. In Japanese the word Nae means sprout. and can be used as "nihongo nae desu" which roughly translates to My japanese is not good or "Japanese language sprout it is. To describe a novice understanding as a "sprout" is poetic and your name reminded me of this. Second, your statement "Moreover, Ivermectin is not considered effective against SARS-CoV-2 in-vivo at safe dosage level.." I believe is based. Considering it seeks a deeper understanding. A pursuit of a more perfect truth. Technically self immolation cures covid. Its effective but not safe. And this deals with in vitro vs in vivo. The wording "not considered" is up for debate for widely considered? Not considered by some? Considering Ivermectin was issued in Covid care packs in India. From a cursory understanding I'm lead to believe that the results were a .4% death decrease from a state that issued packs vs a state that did not. From 2.4% to a reduction to 2%. This is inconclusive as Ivermectin is cheap and widely available in India, meaning if your state did not issue packs, theres a possibility a person obtaining packs through different avenues is not reflected and inconclusive in the sense the packs where a multipack with a few other medications issued within the pack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A0C6:1200:F4DC:846A:1AB6:D85C (talk) 04:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, I also think that your comment at the other page was insightful, about the very different mechanism of action. By "not considered" I mostly meant that there's indeed no reliable data yet showing low and safe Ivermectin doses benefit (or for Wikipedia, at least no WP:MEDRS yet confirming it so that we can report that in articles).  About dangerous high doses, indeed, fire, or 70% isopropanol blood level would work, but.<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg  The top of my user page explains a bit why I chose "Paleo" and "Neonate".  — Paleo  Neonate  – 15:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi PaleoNeonate! I just wanted to come and thank you for commenting at the AfD I started. It takes quite a bit of digging to realize what's going on there, which probably scares away most people, but not you! Thanks for going the extra mile, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 21:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, I admitedly had to do a bit of research and to check how the sources were used before participating, I initially had no idea if the notice was relevant to FTN (but it was, of course). Thanks for patrolling, — Paleo  Neonate  – 23:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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20:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Note from Hodgdon's secret garden
I notice and greatly appreciate your thoughtful advice.

For what it might be worth (likely nothing): What I believe I should have said (when addressing my usual disputant on the "Woke" article's talkpage) where I'd kvetched about an ersatz "attraction" in the culture as well as on wikipedia toward something shading into what I termed "totalitarianism," is imho the resort nowadays to more compulsion than optimal, which the mainstream sees as a feature but that those such as myself - on "its fringes"(*) think might be a bug. ______ (*) I'm not actually a political conservative ( "not that there would be anything wrong with that," (adapting the phrase by Seinfeld's writer, Larry David). Eg I think Robin DiAngelo's thinking makes a certain amount of sense; and, in my political philosophy, such as it is, I'm fairly socialist in theory if pragmatist about how to get there.... --Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 15:36, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

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20:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Review
Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia & I received a notification saying that you had reviewed my user page. Does this mean anything/should I be concerned? Cheers Obama gaming (talk) 02:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, the information is at WP:NPR, new pages are on a queue and volunteers who participate tag them after verifying that it's not spam, etc. Perhaps it's something that could also interest you eventually, there's often a backlog (see the related automatic message above).  — Paleo  Neonate  – 04:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding: your sandbox page was submitted for WP:AFC which is a similar but different process, it can take longer for these to be processed. They can also be put in the common WP:DRAFT space and submitted to AFC the same way, while welcoming contributions by other editors (user pages are seldom edited by others).  — Paleo  Neonate  – 05:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. Should I wait till the article is published to add the album cover? A bot has removed it twice on the grounds of WP:NFCC violations. Obama gaming (talk) 05:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My experience with uploading images is limited, but a low enough resolution album cover may be acceptable under "fair use", otherwise unless the image was released in the public domain or under another redistributable license like Creative Commons, as well as tagged as such when uploaded, they are likely to be deleted. In case it can serve as a reference, File:LetItBe.jpg is on en-WP rather than Wikipedia Commons since it's for en-WP specific fair-use and also has information about it, viewing its source will show the templates in use.  If you keep receiving copyright violation notices I suggest to stop uploading images and request assistance at the WP:TEAHOUSE or perhaps WT:WPMUSIC, as it's a potential block reason.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 06:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The reason provided by the bot is that NFCC can only be in an article, so I guess until it is published I shall add it. Also, I was thinking of adding a subsection on ivermectin regarding the physiology/mechanisms regarding resistance in nematodes, I already have a small draft here, but do you think that is a meaningful contribution? Obama gaming (talk) 07:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If so, that would be consistent with categories that are generally either commented out or escaped (with a column as the first character of the category link like I did with the File link above) in sandboxes... For ivermectin I personally think that the information is interesting, I also noticed that you helped to cite a sentence there before, thanks for that.  The WP:BRD page is a useful guide: if you edit and it's contested, the article's talk page would be the place to attempt to seek consensus, or it's possible to just move-on to the next step if it's not important, of course.  If the problem is with a particular source, WP:RSN can be useful to get more input.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 09:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I just noticed a bot did that for me. Thanks for your advice on ivermectin, I'll draft it up first in my sandbox before putting the whole thing there too. Also, on Isocarboxazid, it's ChEMBL identifier is marked with a cross, even though when I click on it it is visually identical to the article. If you could take a look & edit that for me (if required) that would be great. Also, if you could point me in a direction where pharmacology questions like these can be answered instead of peppering your talk page too, that would be even greater. Obama gaming (talk) 10:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not very familiar with these pharma/chem parameters, here's the documentation for some related templates in case it can be useful: Ebicite (I assume that is what produces the X), Infobox drug (it seems that ChEMBL_ref is undocumented even though it is used there too)... if you think there are bugs with a template or have suggestions to improve their documentation, they each have a talk page and their documentation is often a transcluded page with a /doc suffix (i.e. Template:Infobox drug/doc). WikiProjects also have their own talk/noticeboard, like WT:PHARM, WT:CHEMS, WT:MED.  There's also the general science reference desk, WP:RD/S.  BTW, as I was trying to understand how you were trying to fix the "X", I noticed the removal of the Short description: these are shown on mobile when they exist on WikiData, but the template allows to override that cross-wiki description on en-Wikipedia.  Various templates will not show in the article rendering, including maintenance ones like Use dmy dates (MOS:DATEUNIFY), Use British English (MOS:ENGVAR), etc.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 13:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Boo!
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Happy Halloween!

Hello : Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween! —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! — Paleo  Neonate  – 06:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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20:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Wow
. Their last comment - I'm not even sure what to make of it, but they shouldn't be editing in the area of race. Doug Weller talk 16:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow! indeed. That kind of casual racism is highly objectionable and grounds for a WP:NONAZI/NORACISTS block (and their "I don't understand what that means" comment in response to the DS warning leaves me otherwise nonplussed...). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:23, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * indeed, although I'm not convinced it would be appropriate for me to act. Have you seen their latest comment? Off to bed now. Doug Weller  talk 21:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice, I left another message there in attempt to refocus on WP vs soapboxing (and the ridiculous political correctness/"editor feelings" game), unsure yet if it'll be necessary but I also see a potential need for an AE report proposing a topic ban... Not helping may be a possible language barrier, perhaps?  — Paleo  Neonate  – 22:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Apparently resolved for now, — Paleo Neonate  – 01:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering these among the very few otherwise minor edits in the history I agree with Bbb23's WP:NOTHERE assessment: 1, 2, 3. — Paleo  Neonate  – 01:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You might want to take a look at the user's latest edit and revoke TPA too... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone. Nice he finally revealed his bigotry after denying it. Doug Weller  talk 19:17, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

My name stands for
You asked what my name stands for in the admin thing. It stands for BREW WAFC Just muddled up Brew for my surname and WAFC for Wigan Athletic football. Thank you friend BWRAEFWC (talk) 10:01, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 12:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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20:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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22:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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21:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you get a font on you username
I noticed you were able to add coloring and a font to your username, how did you do so?Teertrevo (talk) 18:38, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again Teertrevo. WP:SIG explains how especially WP:SIGAPP and WP:SIGFONT (there also are examples at WP:SIGTUT).  As for the similarly styled nickname at the top of user pages, it is achieved using DISPLAYTITLE (seen in the source code near the top of my user and talk pages).  For the latter to work the style must match that of the signature.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 18:54, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks!Teertrevo (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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21:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Question
I saw your note to me on my talk page, and I responded with a question. Could you please reply over there? I have another question, but I'll wait with it. Eric Kvaalen (talk) 07:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Answered there, — Paleo Neonate  – 13:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

So, what's the final say?
As per this discussion, is the edit correct or not? Also pinging Greatder (talk) 06:01, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again Greatder, pinging, since the notification likely failed (for a ping to notify, it must be made at the same time as the signature of the original message). — Paleo  Neonate  – 07:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

So.... Greatder (talk) 09:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again. Since the only other input so far was from MarioGom in the previous RSN thread and it was negative, I'd probably tend to avoid the source myself.  I will not prevent you from using it if you do.<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">Face-smile.svg  If it's important to you, perhaps opening a new RSN thread linking the old discussion would be a good idea, hoping for more community input...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 13:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Just for verification. Thanks Greatder (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Unsure of new message received
Hi there PaleoNeonate!

Could you please explain further what this means:

"This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic. For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor."

It is very vague & the link to "additional information" leads to a very long page of information. There seems to be a fondness here to send people to pages of very long info. :( That's not meant as a shot at you, just an observation as a newbie here who just wanted to help out by expanding some articles on niche subjects/people that were stubs beforehand.

All was going well until I encountered a certain Editor, my first interaction on here & it was not pleasant.

I took the guides advice to try & talk it out, though they were curt. They give the impression of being in a position of authority, that their word & actions go. Is this the case? It's hard to see who is a moderator, I believe you call them Admin here.

I changed my use of one Reference, taking their concerns into account & re-posted. No objection to that one from them, also no apology for removing but okay.

They obviously kept an eye on me & struck as soon as I tried to re-word the second deleted Reference, also taking some of their advice into account.

This Editor is quite hostile, in a passive aggressive way, & it is only at this point I discovered their troubled past as an Admin & currently seems hell bent on deleting References whenever & wherever they see them. Had I known how toxic they were I might have demurred in standing up to them for a quiet life.

But something in me just does not like bullies.

So here I am apparently with some kind of warning, all because I wanted to include a Reference to a cast list for Paw Patrol of all things. :(

There is quite a learning curve to use this site, even responding to talk post is very different to vbulletin forums & the initial assurance by guides to "Be Bold" & the implication of friendly comradeship of Editors seems a bit lacking.

Maybe I've been unlucky in this being my first interaction.

Frankly I feel like just giving up right now. :(

Take care,

LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It only means that an administrator can at their discretion apply a sanction if they consider it necessary (and if they are not WP:INVOLVED). It is also possible for other editors to file reports at WP:AE if they believe that an action like a topic ban or special page protection is necessary.  As an alternative to WP:ANI, WP:RFPP, etc.  But nothing is urgent on WP (WP:NODEADLINE), why get discouraged for one event?  If this source is not considered acceptable, there should be other sources...  And I think Steven's advice was to take care not to WP:BLUDGEON the ongoing RSN discussion.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 14:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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22:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiIslam
I really appreciate your kind words. I think we're making progress on the WikiIslam article, but I think you can also see what an uphill battle it has been, especially for a new Wikipedia-er like me. If you could lend a hand in helping to improve it, I would appreciate it.--Underthemayofan (talk) 06:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't check yet but intend to audit new changes and will comment if necessary. I commonly read/edit WP from random locations and don't followup on my notifications (pings and talk page messages) until I can do it more comfortably, this also avoids forgetting them...  Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 21:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I just noticed the block, but commented there. — Paleo  Neonate  – 22:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * Octicons-tools.svg At wikis where the Mentorship system is configured, you can now use the Action API to get a list of a mentor's mentees.
 * The heading on the main page can now be configured using MediaWiki:Mainpage-title-loggedin for logged-in users and MediaWiki:Mainpage-title for logged-out users. Any CSS that was previously used to hide the heading should be removed.
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01:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Question about possible sock
Hope you don't mind me asking you this here. My reason was two-fold - you and I tend to edit in some similar spaces, so you're somebody I recognized, and more importantely, you were involved in the discussion to siteban User:PeacePeace, which is who this is about. So... an edit appeared on A Thief in the Night (film) yesterday that was almost identical to an edit that User:PeacePeace had repeatedly tried to put into the article. The edit by FairNPOV here is nearly the same as PeacePeace did here. The wording is similar, and more telling, the source is added the same way along with simply dropping the entire book as the reference, no page number. Looking at FairNPOV's history, they seem to have a similar pattern of jumping into Talk pages and using them as a forum to argue (same as PeacePeace did). PeacePeace's siteban kicked in on 8 Sept 2020, and FairNPOV showed up on 9 Sept 2020. I didn't bother to compare pages beyond just the Thief page, figuring I'd seek out wise counsel first (hence why I'm here). I have only really dealt with a sock one other other time, so I'm not sure of best practices. Am I off base here, or does this appear to fit WP:QUACK? Butler Blog  (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * you may be right, also consider the edit summary type, the top of these talk pages (1, 2), the type of signature with the paren, familiarity with Spanish, etc. WP:SPI would be the place to report it.  Since its your catch and a good/plausible one, I suggest to file a SPI report.  If you prefer, I could do it later on today.  Thanks for noticing,  — Paleo  Neonate  – 21:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * case filed at Sockpuppet investigations/PeacePeace, if you have other convincing diffs I suggest to post a few there... — Paleo  Neonate  – 10:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I got behind yesterday - thanks for taking the time to file this. I added a comment there as well.   Butler Blog   (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Lists of deaths.....
Regarding this addition. I was not involved in the topic at the time, so I'm ignorant of the history here. IIRC (from some talk page comments), those lists are not the same as the current article. If that is true, your addition might be misleading. Please help me understand this. Ping me. -- Valjean (talk) 01:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * they seem close enough (the current article also was such a list until recently). If the template is contested a talk page post linking those would be a good alternative...  This can serve for admins who can read deleted articles and compare, for new page patrollers if they see new redundant articles and for current editors if they want to ensure that this article's approach be distinct to avoid deletion, I think.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 02:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm but yes, the others were not specifically about vaccination only, — Paleo Neonate  – 02:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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21:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I think your revert at DNA history of Egypt is being discussed
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_a_preprint_quoted_in_an_article_by_someone_not_a_DNA_specialist_ok_as_a_source_for_DNA? here]. At least I assume that's what is meant by the editor you reverted. Doug Weller talk 09:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions topic area changes
In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:
 * Senkaku islands
 * Waldorf education
 * Ancient Egyptian race controversy
 * Scientology
 * Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:
 * India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
 * Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

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17:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Robert Malone
You wrote "quite" - meaning "quote" of course. I don't edit the article or else I might have fixed it. Doug Weller talk 09:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you :) — Paleo Neonate  – 02:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This is amusing
but he didn't move it. I don't know if you've been following the ArbCom discussions on discretionary sanctions, but although they've removed the Ancient Egyptian history sanctions they've made it clear that pseudoscience includes pseudoarchaeology, so I'll give this guy a talk page alert. Doug Weller talk 08:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Lol. You beat me to it. Doug Weller  talk 08:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I've seen some DS related notice but wasn't aware of the details. Hmm I think this user should be reported at ANI but I currently have no time to write the report (I should have more time later on).  Soapboxing didn't stop, failure to focus on content and sources continues with accusations of relationships or conflict of interest for standard patrolling, I'm sure that any acting admin will also get a frivolous accusation of special involvement...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 08:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, you'd be the best person to do it, not me in this case. Doug Weller  talk 08:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And why does he reply to 12 year old anonymous posts?. Odd. I've seen other people do that and can never figure out why. Doug Weller  talk 09:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Article title and his accusation against you at WP:FTN. Doug Weller  talk 12:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I decided to first leave them a more detailed non-automatic note about how WP works, who knows. Always difficult to tell between trolling and cluelessness, but Wikipedia is admitedly a special world.  I'll only check the new posts after if they haven't been reverted/closed by someone else.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 12:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Could be a combination. Doug Weller  talk 12:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Even more amusing - you can actually see evolution in action over just a few weeks. Doug Weller  talk 10:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting, usually it's in much smaller organisms that we see it happen so fast... Of course there are apologetic arguments of "kinds"/bramins that explains adaptation to some point including artificially created breeds, but puts some macroevolution barrier at some point, with arguments like "dogs don't produce non-dogs", but we're still hominids and primates and mammals and chordates and amniotes and tetrapods and deuterostomes and eukariotes...  And dogs and cats carnivores, etc. etc. (funny old stop-motion film not really related)...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 12:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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21:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

 * Thank you, very fortunately I'm not the only one, I can easily think of various editors patrolling and editing in the area who also merit this barnstar. — Paleo  Neonate  – 17:39, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Second opinion
Came by for to bounce something off you since I saw you and Doug Weller had a recent run-in with an editor that seemed to go off the rails. My situation is similar, albeit not quite to that level of escalation yet - started off as thinking they just needed some help/guidance and then started to look like WP:NOTHERE (or at least, seems like it could break that way). The user is "Bagofscrews" (not linking/pinging). At first, I noticed some edits on Twelve Tribes communities. Some OK, some marginal (specifically ). So I fixed some of the marginal stuff, and noting they were new, noted the issues with it on their talk page (User_talk:Bagofscrews). Of course they responded negatively. I responded once, and let the rest go. But... that led me to look at their other edits. Less than half their total edits are articles. Of the article edits, about a third have been reverted, and some of their talk activity has been to ask specific editors to explain why they were reverted (which makes their lashing out at me for explaining a revert seem surprising - can't seem to win with this guy). But some of the worst stuff was overt, literally referring to Eric Schneiderman as "Spiderman" in the article, and worse, posting personal contact information on a BLP (I reported it to oversight and it was blanked immediately). Any thoughts or sage advice? Butler Blog  (talk) 16:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look, I noticed the SPLC removal that is now still used as a source there, but didn't take the time to look at their history yet... — Paleo  Neonate  – 13:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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19:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * Special:Nuke will now provide the standard deletion reasons (editable at MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown ) to use when mass-deleting pages. This was a request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey.
 * At Wikipedias, all new accounts now get the Growth features by default when creating an account. Communities are encouraged to update their help resources. Previously, only 80% of new accounts would get the Growth features. A few Wikipedias remain unaffected by this change.
 * You can now prevent specific images that are used in a page from appearing in other locations, such as within PagePreviews or Search results. This is done with the markup <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> . For example,.
 * Octicons-tools.svg There has been a change to the HTML of Special:Contributions, Special:MergeHistory, and History pages, to support the grouping of changes by date in the mobile skin. While unlikely, this may affect gadgets and user scripts. A list of all the HTML changes is on Phabricator.

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 * Community Wishlist Survey results have been published. The ranking of prioritized proposals is also available.

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 * The software to play videos and audio files on pages will change soon on all wikis. The old player will be removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Toolforge's underlying operating system is being updated. If you maintain any tools there, there are two options for migrating your tools into the new system. There are details, deadlines, and instructions on Wikitech.
 * Administrators will soon have the option to delete/undelete the associated "talk" page when they are deleting a given page. An API endpoint with this option will also be available. This was a request from the 2021 Wishlist Survey.

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19:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Skepticism and coordinated editing proposed decision posted
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Arbitration/Requests/Case/Skepticism and coordinated editing closed
An arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:


 * is warned against a battleground mentality and further incivility.
 * Rp2006 is indefinitely topic banned from edits related to living people associated with or of interest to scientific skepticism, broadly construed. This topic ban may be appealed after six months have elapsed and every six months thereafter.
 * is reminded to remain collegial in editing and interacting with others.
 * is warned to remain collegial in editing and interacting with others.
 * GSoW is advised that a presence on English Wikipedia, perhaps as its own WikiProject or as a task force of WikiProject Skepticism, will create more transparency and lessen some of the kinds of suspicion and conflict that preceded this case. It could also provide a place for the GSoW to get community feedback about its training which would increase its effectiveness.
 * Editors are reminded that discretionary sanctions for biographies of living people have been authorized since 2014. Editors named in this decision shall be considered aware of these discretionary sanctions under awareness criterion 1.

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21:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Response to your comment on my page
Hi there!

Thanks for your message dated 16 December 2021. Continuous dialogue being the best way to further human advancement, would you not agree?

You state: "your edit history shows a lot of chatting on article talk pages." Could you possibly further explain this comment? I don't think I've chatted to anyone on any talk pages, and I believe your comment to be erroneous in this regard. I have only ever commented about how pages could be improved, particularly with a view to challenging bias. Which I consider to be Wikipedia's big problem.

You state: "they are not for general discussion." I haven't had any discussion with anybody in the past on talk pages, apart from right now in response to you. Given that you chose to comment on my page, I feel it warranted a response. Perhaps you could explain why you chose to engage in general discussion with me, only to tell me I shouldn't engage in general discussion? = )

You state: "Instead of complaining, it is better to link sources that contradict the contested material, or that support the view you would like the article to reflect." This sounds very much like you are implying that I was complaining. Please can you clarify, and possibly rephrase your comment on my page if this was not your intention. Or if you were implying that I was complaining, then please know that I was not complaining. If that was your interpretation, then your interpretation is in error. Complaining was far from my intention. My comments seek merely to challenge and try to make Wikipedia better.

You state: "[Wikipedia guidance] suggests to boldly edit while citing a reliable source." I used to do this, but I got fed up of power users (like yourself) reverting every single one of my edits back again the following day. You see, Wikipedia is actually not (as it claims) a free collective that can be edited by anybody. I am of the opinon that it is in fact a bastion of very biased people who keep control of the narrative by ensuring that the information is never moved too far from their particular favoured stance. This is why certain controversial topics have many "turf wars" between two camps of equally biased people of opposite persuasion on the topic. What are your thoughts on this?

By way of constructive feedback to yourself, I didn't feel that your comment came across as particularly intended to assist me in using Wikipedia, so much as to "correct me" on what you perceived to be my "incorrect use". That is your opinion, and your right. However, personally I will continue to be of the opinion that Wikipedia is what we each choose to make of it, and as such I would never dream of telling you how you best ought to be using it! That is entirely up to you. I would entrust that decision up to your better judgment as a rational adult and that you will use it as you see best. Whilst we probably do need to have red lines such as ensuring that users don't bully or abuse other users, outside of those red lines users should be free to make Wikipedia whatever it is to them. If some people did want to have a chat, such as the one you have instigated here, why not? What harm does it do to enter dialogue and find out other people's perspectives on topics on the talk pages, particularly if it enhances Wikipedia in the long run?

Now that we have started this chat, out of interest what are your thoughts on my approach to using Wikipedia, particularly as contrasted with yours and as to how it might lead to improving Wikipedia through engaging discussion with other people?

Best regards

DS — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiverseSynergy (talk • contribs) 00:19, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay. My note was about the WP:NOTFORUM policy and the WP:BRD guide to the WP:CONSENSUS policy, more than my opinion or to open a lengthy discussion.  Posting on article talk pages is part of editing processes, but it should really be practical, i.e. concise suggestions that also cite supporting reliable sources.  Even better is to boldly edit when possible, considering that editing is a privilege to improve the encyclopedia...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 22:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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Reply from DS:

No problem on the delay, been busy myself.

I suspect you didn't actually read my comment very thoroughly, given your reply. I already covered the issues of Wiki Policy, and "boldly editing" in my original comments above.

To follow up on my point about Wiki Policy, I would go even further than my previous comments and go on to say that I think that Wiki Policy deliberately restricts discussion on the talk pages, such that we end up with a situation where edits and counter-edits without any explanation happen as a matter of course - rather than open debate. This assists those who might seek to control the narrative to more easily do so, as they never have to debate their rationale. All they need is the free time and determination to keep editing articles more frequently than those people with whom they disagree. I believe Wikipedia has many such flaws, and will never improve whilst the policy remains the same - and whilst free discussion remains "against Wikipedia policy"! It is very much a Catch 22.

I note you haven't responded about the issue of you claiming that I was "chatting" on articles. As a point of courtesy, I really do think as a bare minimum you owe me an explanation for stating that about me - when I think it is demonstrably not true! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiverseSynergy (talk • contribs) 15:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello again. My impression was that you needed general guidance in relation to WP:BOLD and WP:CITE, the answer to the old request  (about why posts were reverted by another editor who didn't take the time to explain).  It's not that posting on talk pages is not allowed of course, just that posts should be concise; the material of the encyclopedia must be supported by sources and cite them, so constructive discussion naturally should focus around source selection, how to summarize them (the title of my comment on your talk page was "The importance of sources").  This is just an example, but if you decide to edit the Dances with Wolves article directly, your aims would also be clear compared to long talk page posts.  If someone reverts, then it's possible to move on to another edit and/or article, but also to attempt to form consensus at the article's talk page if you think the reverted edits should stick.  It's just standard rules for the collaborative encyclopedia.  In case that was a concern, unless edit warring when others revert (i.e. see WP:3RR), or that it's clear that your goal is not to improve the encyclopedia, you risk little being blocked for "boldly" editing the article itself.  WP editing is for that, afterall...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 01:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Reply from DS

Many thanks for your swift response. I think the issue is that, as a relatively infrequent user and editor here at Wikipedia, I'm trying to highlight why I think that the current policy is suboptimal for infrequent users like myself. I've provided examples of the issues I have encountered under the current policy as it stands, and your response seems to be simply to repeatedly quote existing policy back at me.

I guess the very short question is, will anybody at Wikipedia listen to my concerns and do something about this perceived issue and consider reviewing the policies in light of my comments? And if you won't take that into consideration, how do imagine you can seek to continuously improve Wikipedia as an information source if you do not regularly review policy in the light of direct feedback that you receive?

I see that you are a regular user, and clearly somebody who sees themself as responsible for upholding policy (or else why would you have contacted me in the first place?) Whether you see that as a self-appointed role, or whether you have some official capacity here at Wikipedia I do not know. In any event, it makes no difference. If you see yourself as the upholder of Wikipedia policy - which you clearly do because you chose to contact me about it - then I think that also places on you the responsibility to raise my concerns with the relevant policy makers to take into account as feedback. Your role, however you see it, really ought to work both ways.

Will you do this? Will you refer my feedback to the relevant policy makers to consider? Or do you see your role as simply upholding current policy as it stands? If so, maybe ask yourself why that is.

To reiterate my point, "boldly editing" simply does not work. As I said before, I have "boldly edited" a couple of times in the past, only to have a "power user" revert them back the very next day. I looked through the edit history of the person who reverted my comment, and I saw that they literally spent several hours every single day reverting back changes from the previous day on hundreds of different articles. There are clearly people with a lot of time on their hands who see themselves as the "gatekeepers of truth", and have both the time and the extreme determination to ensure that the Wikipedia articles never move too far away from what they want them to say. I don't have the time to enter into a consensus battle with them, and the "power users" know it. It boils down to "truth" becoming what the most vocal activists, and the people with the most time on their hands, say that it is. I perceive that to be Wikipedia's biggest drawback, and if your responses are simply going to be to repeatedly quote current policy at me then clearly nothing will ever change in this respect! =o)

I'm simply suggesting that if you considered reviewing those policies to allow more open discussion on the "talk" pages, then potentially Wikipedia could be better. I mean, why are they even called "talk" pages if the policy discourages lengthy debate and discussion on them? Plus what harm does it do to have lengthy discussions on the talk pages in any case? Surely open discourse is healthy for drawing closer to a point of consensus on information, isn't it? If I ran an encyclopedia, I would want as much discourse as possible, not less. Also, discussion on the talk pages doesn't affect how succinct the actual article is, does it? It surely doesn't impact the actual article itself in any way.

On a personal note, this is now the second response from you which I note you avoid addressing the issue about your inaccurate comment stating that I had been "chatting" on the talk section of articles, when I don't think I have ever chatted on any article (apart from, ironically enough, right now with you after you chose to interact with me to tell me not to chat on articles!) Are you honestly not going to respond about that? Even though I have specifically pressed you twice to either justify the comment or retract it. Interesting... — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiverseSynergy (talk • contribs) 12:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Plus what harm does it do to have lengthy discussions on the talk pages in any case? - because Wikipedia is not a forum. Long-winded discussions do not serve the purpose of improving articles. "Be concise" is a good practice to follow. Case in point: I suspect you didn't actually read my comment very thoroughly, given your reply. Being concise would help you avoid that problem. The longer your comment, the less likely someone is to read it fully.  Butler Blog   (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * - yet you have chosen to reply to me on this thread, in addition to PaleoNeonate, exactly as if this were a forum! As for being concise, my whole argument is that more information and more discussion is better.  If people don't have the time to read the full arguments, to consider them at length and to go away and spend time doing adequate counter research, then maybe they shouldn't be commenting on an online Encyclopedia.  They clearly don't have the time or rigour of approach (nor the attention span) to adequately do so.


 * To reiterate, the articles themselves should be concise - I fully agree with you there. But what is the point in having the ironically named "talk" pages which are associated with the main articles, if you're not actually allowed to "talk" about the articles in free discussion on those pages?  Nothing that you have said addresses my key point - being that I think the current policy needs reviewing, because it is suboptimal for all users.  Current policy will merely attract the type of pedantic people who enjoy being "Little Hitlers" enforcing current policy on everyone else, but without ever listening to other people's views to see if improvements could be made to Wikipedia by taking them into account.


 * Repeatedly quoting current policy at me achieves nothing. My very simple question is:  how do I get my voice heard? I am simply suggesting that Wikipedia considers reviewing the current policy, such that the overall Wikipedia project might be improved for all users.  How can Wikipedia possibly engage in the continuous improvement of itself, if there appears to be no mechanism to debate making changes to its policies? Does Wikipedia not want to include users like myself who would to like to be able to discuss and debate articles with like-minded people in the talk pages?  Why would it deliberately seek to exclude certain people from being part of the project, simply because they prefer longer debate and discussion back and forth on a topic?  Exactly like we're doing here in fact, and like you have chosen to do in replying to me.  I didn't ask you to do that, you just wanted to enter the discussion - which I think is great!


 * People who want to be concise, can still be concise. Don't read the lengthy discussions if you don't want to.  Nobody is forcing you to.  But equally don't impose your demands on those users who do want to have more lengthy discussions with each other, with the aim of improving the articles and Wikipedia as a whole.  In fact, I quite frequently read the talk pages just to see what people's views are - in order to gain further understanding into people's thoughts on the topic.  I find it very insightful.


 * Finally, I note from your own talk page, ButlerBlog, that you seem to have the knack for annoying other Wikipedia users based on the other comments I find posted there! I always see it as good policy that when you find yourself repeatedly disagreeing with several people for different reasons, perhaps the problem is not with everyone else.
 * DiverseSynergy (talk) 10:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * not completely, since the project has policies including about reflecting reliable sources. It also has noticeboards where we can request input (this includes WP:RSN to evaluate a source's usability in a context).  Processes like RFCs and deletion discussions are also not popular ballots (WP:!VOTE).  Anyone can make an article edit and it may stick (which is what I was suggesting you try).  If a page is protected, a clear edit request will shortly be handled by another editor and applied if it's considered an improvement.  Then there are independent patrollers, who do dedicate time but to general protection like reverting/reporting vandalism, or revert improperly sourced material and WP:WARN.But if you mean that it takes time to get used to that, I agree.  And editors can build a certain reputation over time, patrollers tend to recognize regulars on their watchlist and not suspect it's vandalism.  Personally I don't feel like I currently have enough time for Wikipedia to think about becoming an administrator, my responses would usually be delayed and just looking for/at sources to verify if articles represent them (or to expand them) is time consuming.  I have a list of topics and books I'd like to write new articles about but recently my WP time is very limited, so yes, time is needed.WP is indeed a hot target for propagandists who hope to promote through it.  If you mean that policies and what sources are unreliable were community determined, that's true and a state of things is not necessarily permanent if wrong.  A lot of things have changed since 2005 when many articles weren't even citing sources.I agree that WP has problems.  Its model allowed it to become the most popular online encyclopedia yet at the same time an army of patrollers is necessary to manage the mess.  Sockpuppetry is easy and rampant, so we keep seeing the same people over the years despite their topic or site bans; they keep promoting, wasting the community's time or trying to divide it (or sometimes it's obsessive technical editing that's been found to be disruptive).  What can be done against it is patrolling, applying principles of WP:NOTFORUM, etc.  And WP:WARN, WP:CONSENSUS are not ideal, but a necessary side effect of collaborative editing.  If I have the intention to blog or to write a book, WP is obviously the wrong place for it.  I also find that its policies don't suit ideally to all type of content, so better sites exist for technical directories or instructions.  Another problem is coordinated harassment campaigns, occasionally an article talk page or WP:AFD discussion must be semi-protected. it's better than immediately reporting you as WP:NOTHERE and in my view this would be premature, unjustified.  I was giving general WP-related advice, ignore it if you like, it was a clue that may allow you to become more successful on WP.  And I'm not scolding you, it's valid for me too as an editor, this now reminds me of the nice essay WP:FIXBIAS...  As usual feel free to reply but it might take a little while for me to read it.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 12:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


 * - this (along with the following paragraphs) was a very good response, thanks for taking the time to explain this in detail. This was all very helpful information.


 * - feel free to report me if you feel it necessary, though you seem to rule it out at this stage as being unnecessary. I do take on board your advice, but I still find myself a bit "lost" as to what I am supposed to do to raise this issue through the correct channels.  You still haven't responded to my simple query: how do I get my voice heard? I am simply suggesting that Wikipedia considers reviewing the current policy, such that the overall Wikipedia project might be improved for all users.  Surely it is better to have fully-rounded input to the articles from everybody in society, not just those seeking to maintain the status quo and never seeking to improve the policies?


 * So I am simply asking, how do I do that? Who do I write to?  Could you submit my comments to an administrator to consider, for example?


 * Glad to hear I am not being scolded here, though it certainly felt like that with your original comment about me "chatting" on talk pages - which I clearly hadn't been doing at that point. I guess I am chatting a bit with you now, on your talk page here, but that is (ironically enough) only as a direct response to your comment on my talk page suggesting that I don't "chat" on talk pages!
 * DiverseSynergy (talk) 10:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * First time I'm writing on wikipedia in a while.
 * Diverse, I get the vibe you're trying to fight against the wildly obvious and extreme bias on wikipedia by so called "intellectuals". I used to do the same, but eventually I acknowledged that there's no hope. The most active 'administrators' and editors on wikipedia are all unashamedly biased and there's really nothing I can hope to do about it. Nowadays, I try to avoid wikipedia as much as possible, only rarely referring to it when searching up technical definitions and things that leave no room for bias (although wikipedia seems to always find a way to stick in their agenda). Do they acknowledge they have an agenda? Have a bias? No. They may even genuinely not realize they have an agenda/bias. Its usually subconscious. Either way, my point is, don't waste your time with these people. Just ditch the site, and let everyone you know, know, that wikipedia is an extremely biased and untrusted website. That's probably the biggest effect you can hope to have. I've convinced all my friends of the fact already.
 * It made me laugh to see wikipedia begging for money. Listen, this website is doing more good than bad, but the people behind it have a responsibility to keep their site bias free, if thats what they claim to be.
 * Have fun and stay happy in whatever you decide to do. Peace 67.81.163.55 (talk) 06:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia unashamedly has academic bias and that's fine, since it attempts to be a mainstream encyclopedia. Meeting WP:NPOV is not lacking bias (afterall, this includes a warning against presenting a false balance), but reflecting the bias of reliable sources.  Since our previous interaction was about pseudoscientific creationism it's a good example: advocacy sources like those of the Discovery Institute are not acceptable for Wikipedia, but can be mentioned with the analysis of an independent reliable source discussing it if they exist.  They also would have no place in a main biology article, but may be relevant and WP:DUE in an article about the creationism movement (WP:MNA).  Since there is no legitimate scientific debate among mainstream biologists about the fact that life evolved and diversified that way, Wikipedia is not the place to try to convince readers that there would be...  — Paleo  Neonate  – 03:03, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Temporary break
My cat is dying of fibrosarcoma and I have software to write that I have reduced energy for, thus no time for Wikipedia at current time. I plan to have the cat euthanized this week, perhaps even tomorrow. Hope of recovery is gone, there are multipe fast appearing and growing tumors, he can no longer digest food and is getting thinner and weaker. There's no apparent pain yet but he's weak enough to sometimes fall when walking, it's just time. At 15yo there's no reason to try to extend his life with costly surgery, especially if it would also imply the amputation of a leg and result in a miserable shaven cat with scars (and one tumor is in a vital area of the neck). Prognostic for this type of cancer is poor even after surgery in younger cats. It's been a very special cat and his company was even more appreciated during the pandemic. Oh well... See you all later, — Paleo Neonate  – 19:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I am very sorry to hear this, Paleo. We have our disagreements, but I regard you as a good editor. My friend had a cat and when she died, my friend was very sad. Her cat was one of the closest friends in her life, so I know what you are going through right now. I do hope you are able to recover from this situation and hopefully you can come back on Wikipedia any time you feel ready. Rlink2 (talk) 22:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the euthanasia was on the 7th and it went well, but of course cognitive memory still remains a while: there's no cat trying to enter wardrobes when opening them, no cat to avoid kicking when walking in the alley, no cat requesting his num nums in the morning. He also was trained in some ways and we had our special interaction rituals, he liked to be on shoulders, etc.  For me it's not really like human friendship, but he's definitely being missed and had his own particular personality.  He was particularly communicative compared to previous cats we had.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 03:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Rejuvenate WikiProject Skepticism
Hello - my name is Susan Gerbic (Sgerbic) and I'm writing to you because at some point you joined WikiProject Skepticism. This might have been months ago - or even years ago. With the best of intentions the project was created years ago, and sadly like many WikiProjects has started to go dormant. A group of us are attempting to revitalize the Skepticism project, already we have begun to clean up the main page and I've just redone the participant page. No one is in charge of this project, it is member directed, which might have been the reason it almost went dormant. We are attempting to bring back conversations on the talk page and have two subprojects as well, in the hopes that it might spark involvement and a way of getting to know each other better. One was created several years ago but is very well organized and a lot of progress was made, WikiProject Skepticism/Skeptical organisations in Europe. The other I created a couple weeks ago, it is very simple and has a silly name WikiProject Skepticism/Skepticism Stub Sub-Project Project (SSSPP). This sub-project runs from March 1 to June 1, 2022. We are attempting to rewrite skepticism stubs and add them to this list. As you can see we have already made progress.

The reason I'm writing to you now is because we would love to have you come back to the project and become involved, either by working on one of the sub-projects, proposing your own (and managing it), or just hanging out on the talk page getting to know the other editors and maybe donate some of your wisdom to some of the conversations. As I said, no one is in charge, so if you have something in mind you would like to see done, please suggest it on the talk page and hopefully others will agree. Please add the project to your watchlist, update your personal user page showing you are a proud member of WikiProject Skepticism. And DIVE in, this is what the work list looks like frightening at first glance, but we have already started chipping away at it.

The WikiProject Skepticism/Participants page has gone though a giant change - you may want to update your information. And of course if this project no longer interests you, please remove your name from the participant list, we would hate to see you go, but completely understand.

Thank you for your time, I hope to edit with you in the future.Sgerbic (talk) 07:23, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. If it's really getting more activity it's probably worth some of my participation at least for support, — Paleo  Neonate  – 05:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that I didn't yet, I'm just so busy recently. No plans to leave WP though.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 03:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-14
<section begin="technews-2022-W14"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * For a few days last week, edits that were suggested to newcomers were not tagged in the feed. This bug has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).

Future changes
 * Starting next week, Tech News' title will be translatable. When the newsletter is distributed, its title may not be  anymore. It may affect some filters that have been set up by some communities.
 * Over the next few months, the "Add a link" Growth feature will become available to more Wikipedias. Each week, a few wikis will get the feature. You can test this tool at a few wikis where "Link recommendation" is already available.

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21:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-15
<section begin="technews-2022-W15"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new public status page at www.wikimediastatus.net . This site shows five automated high-level metrics where you can see the overall health and performance of our wikis' technical environment. It also contains manually-written updates for widespread incidents, which are written as quickly as the engineers are able to do so while also fixing the actual problem. The site is separated from our production infrastructure and hosted by an external service, so that it can be accessed even if the wikis are briefly unavailable. You can read more about this project.
 * On Wiktionary wikis, the software to play videos and audio files on pages has now changed. The old player has been removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

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19:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-16
<section begin="technews-2022-W16"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-sync.svg Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on  at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
 * Administrators will now have the option to delete/undelete the associated "Talk" page when they are deleting a given page. An API endpoint with this option is also available. This concludes the 11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.
 * On selected wikis, 50% of logged-in users will see the new table of contents. When scrolling up and down the page, the table of contents will stay in the same place on the screen. This is part of the Desktop Improvements project.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Message boxes produced by MediaWiki code will no longer have these CSS classes:,  ,  . The styles for those classes and   will be removed from MediaWiki core. This only affects wikis that use these classes in wikitext, or change their appearance within site-wide CSS. Please review any local usage and definitions for these classes you may have. This was previously announced in the 28 February issue of Tech News.

Future changes
 * Kartographer will become compatible with FlaggedRevisions page stabilization. Kartographer maps will also work on pages with pending changes. The Kartographer documentation has been thoroughly updated.

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23:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-17
<section begin="technews-2022-W17"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * On many wikis (group 1), the software to play videos and audio files on pages has now changed. The old player has been removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-sync.svg Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
 * Some very old browsers and operating systems are no longer supported. Some things on the wikis might look weird or not work in very old browsers like Internet Explorer 9 or 10, Android 4, or Firefox 38 or older.

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22:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-18
<section begin="technews-2022-W18"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * On all remaining wikis (group 2), the software to play videos and audio files on pages has now changed. The old player has been removed. Some audio players will become wider after this change. The new player has been a beta feature for over four years.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * The developers are working on talk pages in the Wikipedia app for iOS. You can give feedback. You can take the survey in English, German, Hebrew or Chinese.
 * Most wikis will receive an improved template dialog in VisualEditor and New Wikitext mode.
 * If you use syntax highlighting while editing wikitext, you can soon activate a colorblind-friendly color scheme.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Several CSS IDs related to MediaWiki interface messages will be removed. Technical editors should please review the list of IDs and links to their existing uses. These include,   and 3 others.

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19:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-19
<section begin="technews-2022-W19"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now see categories in the Wikipedia app for Android.

Problems
 * Last week, there was a problem with Wikidata's search autocomplete. This has now been fixed.
 * Last week, all wikis had slow access or no access for 20 minutes, for logged-in users and non-cached pages. This was caused by a problem with a database change.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
 * Incompatibility issues with Kartographer and the FlaggedRevs extension will be fixed: Deployment is planned for May 10 on all wikis. Kartographer will then be enabled on the five wikis which have not yet enabled the extension on May 24.
 * The Vector (2022) skin will be set as the default on several more wikis, including Arabic and Catalan Wikipedias. Logged-in users will be able to switch back to the old Vector (2010). See the latest update about Vector (2022).

Future meetings
 * The next open meeting with the Web team about Vector (2022) will take place on 17 May. The following meetings are currently planned for: 7 June, 21 June, 5 July, 19 July.

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15:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-20
<section begin="technews-2022-W20"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Some wikis can soon use the add a link feature. This will start on Wednesday. The wikis are . This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally.
 * The Wikimedia Hackathon 2022 will take place online on May 20–22. It will be in English. There are also local hackathon meetups in Germany, Ghana, Greece, India, Nigeria and the United States. Technically interested Wikimedians can work on software projects and learn new skills. You can also host a session or post a project you want to work on.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * You can soon edit translatable pages in the visual editor. Translatable pages exist on for examples Meta and Commons.

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18:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.

To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here. Sent 05:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-21
<section begin="technews-2022-W21"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages.
 * The www.wiktionary.org portal page now uses an automated update system. Other project portals will be updated over the next few months.

Problems
 * The Growth team maintains a mentorship program for newcomers. Previously, newcomers weren't able to opt out from the program. Starting May 19, 2022, newcomers are able to fully opt out from Growth mentorship, in case they do not wish to have any mentor at all.
 * Some editors cannot access the content translation tool if they load it by clicking from the contributions menu. This problem is being worked on. It should still work properly if accessed directly via Special:ContentTranslation.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Gadget and user scripts developers are invited to give feedback on a proposed technical policy aiming to improve support from MediaWiki developers.

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00:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-22
<section begin="technews-2022-W22"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg In the AbuseFilter extension, an   function has been introduced to check if an IP is in any of the ranges. Wikis are advised to combine multiple   expressions joined by   into a single expression for better performance. You can use the search function on Special:AbuseFilter to locate its usage.
 * The IP Info feature which helps abuse fighters access information about IPs, has been deployed to all wikis as a beta feature. This comes after weeks of beta testing on test.wikipedia.org.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-sync.svg Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
 * The New Topic Tool will be deployed for all editors at most wikis soon. You will be able to opt out from within the tool and in Preferences.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The list=usercontribs API will support fetching contributions from an IP range soon. API users can set the   parameter to get contributions from any IP range within the limit.
 * A new parser function will be introduced: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> . It will replace existing templates named "=". It will insert an equal sign. This can be used to escape the equal sign in the parameter values of templates.

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20:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-23
<section begin="technews-2022-W23"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg A new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> function can be used in abuse filters to replace parts of text using a regular expression.

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02:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-24
<section begin="technews-2022-W24"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * All wikis can now use Kartographer maps. Kartographer maps now also work on pages with pending changes.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-sync.svg Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on at 06:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
 * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" . This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally.
 * The New Topic Tool will be deployed for all editors at Commons, Wikidata, and some other wikis soon. You will be able to opt out from within the tool and in Preferences.

Future meetings
 * The next open meeting with the Web team about Vector (2022) will take place today (13 June). The following meetings will take place on: 28 June, 12 July, 26 July.

Future changes
 * By the end of July, the Vector 2022 skin should be ready to become the default across all wikis. Discussions on how to adjust it to the communities' needs will begin in the next weeks. It will always be possible to revert to the previous version on an individual basis. Learn more.

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16:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-25
<section begin="technews-2022-W25"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The Wikipedia App for Android now has an option for editing the whole page at once, located in the overflow menu (three-dots menu Ic more vert 36px.svg).
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some recent database changes may affect queries using the Quarry tool. Queries for <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> at English Wikipedia, Commons, and Wikidata will need to be updated. Read more.
 * Octicons-tools.svg A new <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> variable can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Users of non-responsive skins (e.g. MonoBook or Vector) on mobile devices may notice a slight change in the default zoom level. This is intended to optimize zooming and ensure all interface elements are present on the page (for example the table of contents on Vector 2022). In the unlikely event this causes any problems with how you use the site, we'd love to understand better, please ping Jon (WMF) to any on-wiki conversations.

Future changes
 * The Beta Feature for DiscussionTools will be updated throughout July. Discussions will look different.  You can see some of the proposed changes.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Parsoid's HTML output will soon stop annotating file links with different <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> attribute values, and instead use <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> for all types. Tool authors should adjust any code that expects: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">, <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> , or <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">.

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20:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)