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Books & Bytes – Issue 40
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Proposed deletion of Ballerini (Kelsalbum)


The article Ballerini (Kelsalbum) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "malformed title"

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jax 0677 (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * As it was a redirect I don't think that PROD could be used (would have to be RfD ... ah, found it at WP:PROD: " Proposed deletion cannot be used with redirects,..."), but now you've reminded me I've asked for it to be deleted CSD-G7 ("One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page"), and it has now gone, saving time all round. I've also nominated for G7 the other accidental redirect from Ballerini (Kelsea Ballerina album). It was a chapter of accidents. Pam  D  07:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Review and normal edit
Please edit normal in these articles. Because this article is not displayed on Google. Chetan Dudi, Deedwana (Rajasthan Assembly constituency) and R Nait. Add some information to these articles instead of removing it, only then it will be displayed on Google. Bikaneri Wikipedian (talk) 13:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

:#SavingSammy
There are libraries ... and there is the Parkie Library. The Parkie library currently open only 10:00-16:00 Monday and Thursday (make a change from being burnt out ... though that was circa 1990) Is has public use computers 1 to 7, 2 & 3 and 5 & 6 are currently social distancing computers and unusable. With my Hants library card I can book a limited time session, todays was an hour, which I think is the Covid-19 max. From those computers I have access to additional resources I can't access use. (Haven't tried Wikipedia library yet). Yes I was excited ... there was a ooh la la's coming from the backroom and my session was nearly over. I also notice Sammy was once scheduled to be on Children's hour TV in 1954 ... peope not wishing to be filmed were advised not to go! Don;t have a reference thought! Thankyou for whatever you fixed. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like fun. Our village library shows no signs of opening (but we're very lucky to have it: it was closed, then re-opened after the Tories won control with a manifesto pledge to re-open all the libraries Labour had closed... and we were the first as a small recently-decorated one which hadn't yet been stripped out or sold, and which made a photo-opp for leader of County Council. The hours increased from 18.5 hours a week to I think 20, including Saturday mornings: grand progress. Also Weds mornings, useful because that's when the fish van comes so the village centre is a hub of activity with people clutching their reusable tupperware boxes to buy fish responsibly. Some scouts and guides cashed in on the footfall by selling fund-raising cakes the last few weeks, but have now gone back to school; better for the diet.) Near-ish branches opened a while back on an appointment-only basis, and you could book a paper-bag of six books of your chosen genre or collect reservations: I think they've now opened up a bit further, with no booking but possible queue to get in. Then there's the library a couple of miles away over the county boundary... unstaffed, just a collection of books and an issue machine, but gives us access to a second county's stock if we reserve it. But I don;t think that's reopened yet. Strange times all round. Good luck with it all.  Pam  D  18:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Innocent Obiri
Hi there, I see you just put a stub-sort on Innocent Obiri. I don't know if you noticed but that page was a test to see if a Kenyan MP would get through AfC following our discussion at the meetup yesterday. But it turns out it can, in only 7 hours too Pi (Talk to me!)  23:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, didn't notice the AfC: did check the hist to see if it was one of yours, and wondered about suggesting you add Kenya-politician-stub to them yourself while you create them, rather than one other editor adding stub and another stub-sorting but perhaps only with Kenya-bio-stub. Good to know AfC doesn't always cause huge delays, though it seems pretty random. Pam  D  23:21, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, normally I'd put a stub tag on but since it was a draft I didn't add it because I don't think it's the done thing to tag drafts as stubs. Pi (Talk to me!)  23:51, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, no categories on drafts, and stub tags generate cats. No way to create redirects, either - I added one from his full name. If something gets draftified unnecessarily a lot of infrastructure work can be wasted. Pam  D  05:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

October editathons from Women in Red
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Nomcebo Zikode
I tagged this for copyvio, but it might be a mirror... Onel 5969  TT me 14:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I reckon mirror - see talk. Thanks for alerting me. (Why have I got involved in this article? Goodness knows, but I started disentangling it for some reason a while back! Not my specialist subject.) Pam  D  15:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

The Baby-Sitters Club Club
Hate to bug you again, but could you take a look at this one? There are large swaths of the article which are simply copy-pasted, but the editor did put them in quotation marks. My understanding is that this still might be considered copyvio. Thanks again. Onel 5969  TT me 19:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's not a pretty sight ... but I really don't know the rules about such mass quotation. is a real copyright expert and might be able to help.  Pam  D  22:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Excessive use of quotations is not a copyright violation per se, but is a violation of our non-free content policy if excessive. WP:NFCC is the policy page.— Diannaa (talk) 23:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Digital detox
Good luck with your digital detox, Pam. Have 27 cakes to keep the sum of the vices constant! I wanted something Swiss for you, but these are at least (?) German. Bishonen &#124; tålk 09:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC).

November edith-a-thons from Women in Red
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Attribution question
Hi there. There's an editor who has recently created articles about some US politicians. They are simply cutting and pasting either from .gov (Harold W. Geisel), or other cca sites (Lois Benson). They are not copyright violations, therefore, but shouldn't some attribution be given?  Onel 5969  TT me 15:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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Wikibreak break
I've emerged briefly from my Wikibreak: I just had to update Buslingthorpe, Leeds after finding yesterday that it had lost a claim to fame ... which led me to upgrading the whole article on Bricklehampton; today I allowed myself to create Museumand which had been simmering since I saw an online talk by its founder; will now log off and get on with important Real Life stuff but will be back before the end of the month to contribute to WiR's November editathons (I have a couple of ideas already, haven't yet checked whether anyone else has nabbed them). Happy Editing, and Stay Safe, to any of my talk page watchers who notice this. Pam D  11:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Just popped back to create Everina Borst for WiR 181. Pam  D  10:47, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And then Thyra Grafström for WiR 180. Enough, back to my Wikibreak. Pam  D  12:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And couldn't resist Caroline Lennon as she has reprised her part in The Archers after a 13 year gap, and also fits neatly into WiR 181. Pam  D  18:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Note to any tp watchers: that was the ghastly cover for the US market - I've now uploaded the UK (first ed) cover for A Comedy of Terrors, production of which was apparently delayed because they needed to get a better photo of the oscillum from the British Museum, which was shut during lockdown! Why do Americans need covers which look like trashy romances? Pam  D  18:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Enn Nou typo and Frances Peralta
Sorry! I didn't realize that I had added brackets on Enn Nou. Frances Peralta seems a bit stubby to me however. SpacetimeIsCool (talk) 01:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That article has been rated C-class, not stub, on its talk page. Stub means pretty minimal, not just incomplete. And please, if you're adding a stub tag, put it in the correct place at the very end, see WP:ORDER. Pam  D  07:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! SpacetimeIsCool (talk) 18:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Parlington
You redirected this title in 2008 with the reason "redirect until such time as there's an article on the place/parish" but now an article exists.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:12, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation: my watchlist didn't indicate that it had only been a redirect and I'd have wondered what was going on. Pam  D  23:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it was at Parlington, West Yorkshire and then moved over the redirect. Wothersome was another article you created around this time.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 11:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
May Jesus Christ bless you and your loved ones on this day. Merry Christmas! Best regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 03:24, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
Best wishes to all my talk page watchers for a happy time at Christmas, Yule, or whatever you celebrate, despite lockdowns, and a healthy 2021. Pam D  09:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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Deprodding of Hostel Daze
I have removed the tag from Hostel Daze, which you proposed for deletion. The series received well and become popular in India. I will work on it and expand it in some days.. Imfarhad7 (talk) 18:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to Draft, as it is clearly not yet ready for mainspace. Pam  D  19:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

LOL
I realize Teneca Wolfe-Bell is not a race horse, she just rides them. I thought the category was Thoroughbred Horse Racing and didn't proofread - my bad. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 16:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Claims of conflict of interest
I am not in any way related to Andrew Hill and do not know him even remotely except for reading his publicized works. I also do not have any conflict of interest through any type of organization or profit motive. I am a self employed engineer in the Telecommunications industry living in Brazil. My only conflict of interest is my interest in the unnecessary deaths of my fellow human beings due to the suppression of information and biased reporting on viable treatment options for the COVID pandemic. Unfortunately it appears that this interest is in conflict with Wikipedia reporting/moderation.

If anything I have attempted to publish is false or misleading in any way shape or form, please let me know (with references please). And do not slander me with false claims of conflict of interest implying that I have an ulterior motive or bias when the real biased reporting is from people like Alexbrn that is suppressing information to fit his narrative and promoting unsubstantiated reporting by non-medical media outlets on the Ivermectin page while suppressing actual medical research data and opinions from experts in the field.

Also, it is amazing the lengths to which an association is attempted to be found. My name is clearly given in my username as being Adriaan (quite a common name) and my last name initials is dh for De Haan.

If ever I write anything with regard to fraud prevention in the Telecommunication Industry I will be sure to declare any conflict of interest, but I will probably not bother unless it is a really boring inconsequential topic, since my confidence in the credibility of Wikipedia on anything else has been completely lost due to the outsized power of individuals with clear bias to control narrative on this supposedly Open platform. Adriaandh (talk) 11:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, what a vehement reply to an enquiry as to whether this editor was connected to the person about whom he created a single-source stub as his first (or thereabouts) article creation, and about whom he added to another article in one of his first mainspace edits. I only asked! Pam  D  15:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #1
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Books & Bytes - Issue 42
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time
The time thingy on your user page seems to be something like 8 or 14 hours out. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:22, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Replying to test it ... Pam  D  08:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems ok - time noe 08:50, or 8:50am, here in UK. Pam  D  08:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, its been fixed! A while ago it was telling me it was 10:22 pm where you live. Eddaido (talk) 08:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Please do not delete buddhism in tuva
Because want to add more information about this topic Sangheili spartan (talk) 09:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I will write this topic with my own hand.But please do not delete it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangheili spartan (talk • contribs) 09:26, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The article Buddhism in Tuva as it stands entirely copies other people's work without acknowledgement. What drew my attention was that you added a reference claiming to have consulted it in 2012. The article needs to be removed from the record and started from scratch by an editor who actually understands how to respect Wikipedia's rules and the efforts of other editors. Pam  D  09:11, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Not a CV revdel, but...
Hi. This isn't a copyvio issue, but shouldn't an edit like this be removed from the history? And if so, how would one go about requesting it?  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 17:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess we should ask, the admin who blocked the vandal. Pam  D  18:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , personally I would have left it to get buried in the winds of time, but there's nothing in there that's worth saving. <b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b> &#124; <span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts? 18:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. So I guess the answer to my question is, meh?  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 18:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It looked like Personal Attacks and best wiped out completely - thanks for doing so. for info.  Pam  D  18:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Virtual choir
Dear PamD

Please would you clarify why you have deleted my amendments to the virtual choir page? Thank you.

Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwright1 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, editing on my phone it wasn't easy to add an a explanation at the time. I reverted completely unsourced addition which did not seem to improve the article and appeared to be promotional of a specialised product or software.  Pam  D  07:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi PamD. Apologies, I am not fully coherent with the formatting and coding principles on Wikipedia. Thanks for getting back to me. I am a student at the University of Sheffield, studying music psychology. My research is addressing a growing scholarship about the use and benefits of virtual choirs. There has been a move to differentiate between the common 'virtual choir' term (used to describe choirs participating in any context online) and those using the split-screen technology like Eric Whitacre's projects. My addition to the page is not intended as promotional but to draw attention to alternative nomenclature for this specific type of 'virtual choir'. Does this explanation justify my edit to be included? Many thanks. Paul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwright1 (talk • contribs) 08:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Everything added to an article needs to be supported by reliable independent published sources. Your addition of your specialised scholarly terminology in such a dominant position in the article, completely unsupported by any references, was inappropriate. If you can provide a good reference for your "Mosaic" concept it might be appropriate to include it, but not as an entire main section as it was, dominating the article. Please sign your talk page messages - and I've left a "welcome" message on your talk page with a lot of links to introductory information about editing.  Pam  D  09:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the information posted on my talk page. @Pwrighty1
 * Thank you for clarification; I agree about the prominence of the section. This was more to do with my lack of coding experience; I understand that it was in an unsuitably dominant position on the page. I also accept the need for scholarly sources to support edits; however, there is significant content on Wikipedia that is not. Reliable independent sources are something I will be able to provide in due course as my research and dissertation evolve over the next few months. One aspect that confuses me, is your role here. I ask with the greatest respect, but in what capacity are you making decisions for content on pages? I understand your experience as a former librarian puts you in good standing to manage such a database and resource, but how do you choose what is, and is not, included on a public resource platform? I appreciate my question could be interpreted as antagonistic, it is not meant as such, but from my perspective, I am merely a researcher looking to add relevant content, of which I have particular expertise, to an informational site that is lacking in clarity in a particular area, and I am prevented from doing so by a self-appointed gatekeeper. If you are commissioned to manage the pages then of course I understand, but I hope you can see my perspective?


 * To sign a message please use 4 tildes: . I'm just an editor like many others, but with quite a lot of experience on Wikipedia and knowledge of its policies. The page Virtual choir is on my watch list (along with many others), so I am alerted to any changes to it. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - the fact that there is unsourced material on other pages is no reason to add more of it.  Pam  D  10:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I've Googled and failed to find anything which would usefully support your addition, but it looks as if it might be more appropriate in the History of multitrack recording article as describing a recent development in technology (with sources). The virtual choir article is less about the technology, more about the social phenomenon of such choirs as bringing singers together at a distance, while MOSAIC has wider applications to rock groups etc. Pam  D  11:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks re Archie Brennan
Dear PamD thanks for this - I have to do real life work now. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 09:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC))


 * For the interest of any talk page watchers: Msrasnw and I were listening to the same news item on Today but they started Archie Brennan (weaver) while I was still formatting my references! It now has a lot of refs but not much text but it will grow. Pam  D  09:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Jennifer Yu Cheng
She was actually called Jennifer Yu per her Chinese name (probably her birth name) but her name was changed after she married (in 2009) and follows her husband‘s surname. Her Chinese name became [her husband's surname] (鄭;Cheng) + [her birth name] (余雅穎;Yu Nga-wing). Perhaps sometimes she is still called the older name. It is a Chinese tradition, just like the current Chief Executive of HK Carrie Lam. Yet there aren't many people following this tradition nowadays. Sun8908 &#8239;Talk 04:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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Mika Simmons
Hi Pam

Thank you so much for your help with my page. I had absolutely no idea I wasn't allowed to edit my own page as I haven't ever really used Wikipedia before. Clearly a huge error on my part and it has been very upsetting today to see people write such nasty things about me and deleting half my profile when

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alabama73 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * due to possible copyvio. El_C 18:43, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hallo Mika - most of your message was removed as copyright violation, as explained on your talk page, and I see you edited your own post too (but abandoning it mid-sentence). Wikipedia doesn't edit according to the wishes of its subjects, but according to reliable independent published sources. So if there are factual inaccuracies or omissions from the article, say so on the talk page Talk:Mika Simmons, citing sources to support the facts, and someone will probably edit the article accordingly. I've just spent far too much time trying to find a reliable source about Balcony (it felt like a bit of a challenge): tracked down the Berlin film festival info which verifies that it got an award, but the page there doesn't mention you. Nor does https://tobyfellholden.com/balcony. But I found British Council site (the epitome of "reliable independent published", like BFI), and have linked that. Now I need to spend time on Real Life stuff.   Pam  D  10:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I'd like to echo that thanks for your fantastic contributions to Women in Red's Women in Africa contest. An update, now that we're two months in: over 100 articles have been created in January and February! Please help make the final month of the contest a success too :) Dsp13 (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think Nazli Madkour ticks the boxes for Africa as well as Art+Activism this month! Pam  D  14:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha, nice! Dsp13 (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I might try and find another woman ticking both boxes this month - am struggling to think how to find any images for the "visibility" theme. I usually manage at least one contribution for every editathon. Pam  D  10:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Can't help on images, I'm afraid - I'm rubbish at them myself. That list of contributions to WiR editathons is seriously impressive! Dsp13 (talk) 10:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Cumbrian parishes
Dalton Town with Newton now exists, one of the ones that was already a redirect when you went through the list in Match 2016 so you didn't realize it didn't exist.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * And also drafted Draft:Muncaster, Cumbria that surprisingly doesn't exist like Preston Patrick.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:08, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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Abundance (novel)
Ah yes, thanks I meant to do that when I was finished, got pulled away from my computer, and forgot. Thanks for adding the page to the dab page. I'm adding the hatnote now. Also, thanks for fixing the spelling. McKay (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No, you don't need a hatnote to lead from novel to dab page: no reader is likely to land on the novel page when needing another usage. It's from the basic term to the disambiguated page that a link is needed. Thanks. Pam  D  00:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Factitious Airs
Hi PamD,

Is it ok with you if I revert and integrate the citations?

Best SloppyTots (talk) 08:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Of course - but do remember to cite. Thanks. (Sorry about delay - was off Wiki listening sociably to a favourite radio programme.)  Pam  D  09:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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 * Thank you : it's been fun, most of the time! Pam  D  12:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Your opinion
Hi. I just wanted to invite you to the discussion Articles for deletion/Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland (2nd nomination). Since you had previously participated in similar discussions, I thought you might be able to provide us with some insights regarding this article. Thank you. Keivan.f Talk 16:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Never edit my user page.
Please do not vandalize my user page, as vandalizing is not good, Rafa281213 (talk) 00:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTHERE blocked. For the record, PamD has never edited this troll's user page. BD2412  T 06:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I was considering reporting that editor to ANI as someone who clearly did not understand what user talk pages were for, taking every normal talk page message as an affront but using the page to rant against other editors. Pam  D  06:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! BD2412  T 06:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Wolf Willow, Calgary

 * 1) If I can't call a stub a stub, I see little point in categorizing. Half of the articles in queue need serious attention. This one for example is a puff piece about a subdivision in Calgary. Only makes the cut because somebody is creating a lot of articles about the geography of Calgary, and presumably will it in fact be a neighborhood one day. I defy you to find another category for it besides "Calgary geographical stub".
 * 2) I do not find this prohibition anywhere in the documentation on the community page. If this is in fact a thing, I should be able to find it out without being reverted as my first clue to this effect.
 * 3) Too many people wander around Wikipedia arbitrarily reverting people. I believe I have talked to you in particular about this before, and you became angry and defensive. Congratulations on discouraging other editors some more. I certainly won't be working this queue anytime soon. No reply is required. Elinruby (talk) 19:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I know you don't "require" a reply but I hope you will read this. There is a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia.
 * Wolf Willow, Calgary had the template CalgaryRegion-geo-stub before your edit. This puts it into the category Category:Calgary Region geography stubs. No stub categories should ever be added manually: they are all generated through stub templates, so that when the stub template is removed the stub categorisation goes too. This is made clear at Stub: "Stubs should never be manually added to stub categories — always use a template. "
 * I too used to think that "Uncategorised" could be removed when an item was in a stub category, but I have learned that this is not the case. Stub categories do not "count", so an item can be in one or more stub categories and still be "uncategorised" until it has a non-stub category. Being in a non-stub category doesn't imply that it isn't a stub, it just reflects the subject matter. I can't find chapter and verse for this, but please believe me. So this silly little promotional stub (I have PRODded it) needed a category like Category:Neighbourhoods in Calgary, which I gave it.
 * So you didn't need to "call a stub a stub": it was already categorised as a stub relating to the geography of the Calgary Region. I did find a non-stub category appropriate for it. I'm sorry you were upset by my reverting you and hope you won't stay discouraged. Happy Editing. Pam  D  20:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * And our only two previous interactions which I can find were here and here, neither of which show any anger or defensiveness - in fact you commented on "the civility of [my] question". Perhaps you're thinking of someone else. Pam  D  20:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Ghazi Chaouachi
References have now been added to the Ghazi Chaouachi page.

Lankyant (talk) 15:28, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Any article on a living person which has no references will be proposed for deletion, with no requirement on the proposer to do a WP:BEFORE search. I thought it was likely that references could be found in the week allowed by PROD. It's as well to include a couple of refs right from the start when you create a stub, as you're presumably using sources rather than just getting the content out of your memory. If for some reason you can't add sources right away (e.g. real life or tech problems intervene and you have to stop editing), adding Under construction will make other editors pause for thought before proposing deletion, but with no guarantee especially if it's an unsourced BLP. Pam  D  15:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Nautilus Book Awards for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Nautilus Book Awards is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Nautilus Book Awards until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. gnu 57 13:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks Pam, yes that’s really good advice. I will try and do this in future Hildreth gazzard (talk) 08:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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María Domínguez Castellano
Hi. I just noted that you forgot to add you user name when you added the above to WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/198. All the best. Roundtheworld (talk) 07:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that you added your name to your contributions there, although this is not the norm for WiR projects apart from the competitive challenges like the Europe one - see WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/194 for an example. Pam  D  07:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry. My mistake. So many uploads to the European competition I had forgotten the format.Roundtheworld (talk) 09:19, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK

 * Hi Pam. Still working on the nomination of your four Marie/Mary saints - looks like I won't be canonised if I get the words wrong:-). I thought the nom would be a good advert for the editathon. Do feel free to have a go at editing the nomination. Add an Alt1?? I can fix any newbie? errors and you might enjoy the DYK process. It should happen with no effort from you however but always have happy to have a collaborator. (If a fifth saint Marie turns up then we can add that in). Great work Victuallers (talk) 07:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for some of your recent corrections on my edits. It's my first day and you've helped me learn a lot, especially about layout and what a stub actually is. Semanticz0 (talk) 11:56, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

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Jill Mortimer
Hello PamD, NBeale, DeFacto - why is the article about Jill Mortimer albeit set up badly so difficult to correct? Makes Wiki look silly to keep reverting to incorrect info... Primm1234 (talk) 02:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks Pam

BruceShawcross (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>

Thank you
PamD, thank you for your work and for your attempts to mediate around Palmyra Palm Fruit, I will now attempt to knock it into reasonableness and maintain a watch on it. I must admit, there are some crazy editors out there, the subcontinent is so huge and populous that it is hard to monitor all the articles involving it, and there are not the same proportion of "dedicated" editors that occur in the richer English speaking countries. I also note that you were able to donate blood, thank you for that (I wish I could do the same, but the Australian Red Cross won't accept blood from people in lived in Britain for more than 6 months during "mad-cow times", even if vegetarian!) I often see people who volunteer volunteering on many fronts. Thank you for your work again. Brunswicknic (talk) 09:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes, I clocked up 82 donations before developing a rare disease and moving onto lifetime daily injections which prevent me from donating any more! I do my best to encourage other people to donate, especially young folk who may have many years of donations ahead of them. As for Palmyra palm fruit ... good luck. I tend to stubsort any stubs starting with "P", so came across it that way ... there's been some very odd editing. Thanks for taking it on! Pam  D  09:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I chickened out of substantially modifying Palmyra palm fruit, the refs are poor quality, Google Scholar has lots on the fruit as a source of fibre but not much else quality stuff. I added some qualifiers and asked on talk page for better material, and warned that this page may be deleted if not. I admit it goes against my inclusionism but it really is very light, you were strong to persevere. Brunswicknic (talk) 09:41, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Clarity & Direction for Recent Article Review
Hi Pam,

I'm still in the process of learning how to edit and be a resourceful contributor on Wikipedia. I noticed today that you reviewed the Modern Day Missions article. Would you mind sharing with me some of your thoughts on how I could better improve the article to where it doesn't come across as promotional content?

Would this be a case where you would cut content or possibly rewrite it entirely (using the existing citations of course)?

Below is the link to the page for you convenience.

I look forward to hearing from you!

- Kstorts11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Day_Missions


 * First, just to say that the simplest way to link to an article is just Modern Day Missions - you don't need to give the full URL as you did above.
 * Then: to sign a talk page post, just type  : that gives a link to your user page, and the time and date.
 * And it's a good idea to put something onto your user page at User:Kstorts11, so you don't appear as a red link - say a bit about yourself and what and why you're editing, or just say "Hallo".
 * But then ... I came across that article after finding a sad waste of time at Michael "Mick" Patrick Mulroy where an editor had created a second article for the person already at Michael Patrick Mulroy with a redirect from Mick Mulroy. This just shows the importance of looking carefully for an existing article before spending time on starting to create an article, and of using a standard Wikipedia article title (we don't use things like "Mick" within the article title unless we're using it as the actual title - one name or the other but not both at once). Having nominated that for speedy deletion A10 I had a look at the editor's other work and found article creations Modern Day Missions and Desert Hope Addiction Treatment Center. It seemed to me to be written too much from the point of view of a Christian believer (it didn't actually specify what kind of "missionary" it supported, presumably on the assumption that "everyone knows that all missionaries are Christian" or something). I trimmed some of the more obvious POV ("God told him..." or something like that) and fixed the grammatical muddle of "Missions ... is...". The whole thing still reads rather too much like an advert, and I don't know how reliable or independent any of the sources are, but I didn't feel interested enough to spend much of my time cleaning it up so moved on to other things. There may or may not be a Conflict of Interest involved. I realise that doesn't really answer your question, sorry. Looking at your contributions list, I can see that this article seems to be squarely within your area of interest, though not mine. Happy editing! Pam  D  14:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

"Lance Weller" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lance Weller. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 20 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Talk 01:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you…
Hi Pam, thank you for the message—I am more than happy not to edit my own page, but how do I draw attention to the need for an update? Ddemchuk (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As it says on your user talk page: "propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles". Add a note to Talk:David Demchuk explaining what needs to be changed, and providing reliable independent published sources, and someone will probably be along soon to fix it. Pam  D  19:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
thx for help!

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Talk:Amanda Oweb
Hello, Pam,

You made a comment on this talk page but there is no article with this title so the talk page was deleted as a CSD G8, "Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page". I'm just letting you know. Your comment was titled "Proposed merge of Ravenseat Farm into Amanda Oweb" in case that means anything to you. Maybe you posted your remark on the wrong talk page? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hadn't worked out that the page had been created, when I made a merge proposal with a typo, or I'd have cleaned it up myself. Pam  D  05:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to my talk page
Hi PamD I have only just checked on my talk page your edits...and your asking me about the edits on Talgarth station page...without sounding like a broken record the reason I copied the railway details was because the editor from 2019 had redirected an old railway page to Talgarth itself thus confusing the Mid-Wales Railway articles station diagram. It would not show the next stations and instead took you the reader to the page of Talgarth a claim was it is not detailed enough for its own article. So I did remove the redirect and do admit I should not have copied over the text without a reason or knowledge explanation. I found that though with Fochriw. I did copy the text to the railway page because it covered the station and line.

It did not seem to be feasible keeping it clogging up the villages transport section. I get it is old and archived and should not be moved. I do not intentionally do this and try to avoid it at all costs. I just want to make sure it does not duplicate something on another article and create a duplicate conflict. In regards to your thing about Wiki might not be the best hobby for me. I have to completely disagree with you there. A lot of editors and admin have always thanked me and welcomed my contributions, discussions and creations. So I would say Wiki is a great place for me to contribute to geographical, railway and borough related works. I thank you for your indepth suggestion on my other four articles and will eventually work on them. I want to focus though for now on working on some Wales articles for villages, hamlets, areas or stations that might not exist just yet on wiki but are credible and reliable to be given an article. But I will stop copying over old text on articles already in them. I agree my edits might look disruptive but if I did get a temporary ban it would likely only be if I stepped out of line on something or was seen as trolling which so far I have not been and many have not said I have either. Cheers anyway and will take your suggestions and advice on board. Regards RailwayJG (talk) 19:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Please make sure that every time you edit a page:
 * You use your own words not other people's
 * When you add a reference you can honestly say "This is the source from which I got the information I am adding to Wikipedia" (not "this is the source someone else said they used 4 years ago to support a statement on a different topic and I haven't bothered to check whether the link is still current")
 * When you finish editing an article it looks ok rather than with a mess of sources and references all over the place as with Talgarth railway station this morning.
 * Unless you can start to follow those rules your editing may be a net negative to the encyclopedia. Pam  D  20:55, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I will take these rules into consideration. Regards RailwayJG (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #2
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Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:


 * Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
 * The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "Discussion Tools" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

00:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Women in Europe contest now with centenarians
Hi there, PamD, and thanks for participating in the contest. You might be interested in covering one or more of the centenarians in 's detailed redlist. We have decided to target them for the remainder of the contest as all but one are from Europe. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 12:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Performance (textiles)
@, Hello! Sir, As per your template on the subject page, I've made it clearer and more understandable.Kindly have a look and help me to remove the same. Thanks and regards RV (talk) 08:10, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Charles Reid (Indian Army officer)
Hi Pam. As I write, we have two more days if we want the above to be nominated (with you as main editor) for DYK. If you are in agreement but you would like to do more work on it, I could nominate it in the next 2 days to bagsy the time-slot, and I could explain on the template that it is not quite finished. In my experience, that is usually acceptable, and reviewers are usually willing to give us time to finish. Would you like me to do that? I can include a placeholder hook which you could replace with a ALT1 later. Storye book (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've never bothered much about DYK, but feel free to tweak it and nominate it if you like. I guess it's now pretty much a joint production, not sure I can take the credit. We need to have Leeds Tiger in mainspace, I suggest, so that the hook could be something as simple as "... shot the celebrated Leeds Tiger", or even "... shot the celebrated, but probably not man-eating, Leeds Tiger", though that might not be supported by the text. Am really trying to go cold turkey on editing ... that's 4 times today I've logged on, after logging off: 2 WiR suggestions to make (I see has brought Kate Dickinson into the light, thanks), one chap to add to my "create sometime" list in my sandbox, and now this. Enough. I have a backlog of YouTube choir rehearsals, a houseful of clutter, a rampant garden, neglected paperwork and a lack of holiday plans. Logging off.  Pam  D  20:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Pam, for your patience. I'll take your advice. Enjoy your well-earned break! Storye book (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 June 2021
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Parishes that don't include their namesake settlement
I found another like Scotforth/Scotforth (parish) where the parish didn't include its namesake settlement namely St Gluvias which the settlement is in Penryn parish however in April the parish was renamed Ponsanooth so that article now deals with the parish and the former with the suburb. If we'd known about this an article about the CP at St Gluvias (parish) would have been appropriate but then we would have merged it with Ponsanooth when it was renamed. Interestingly Paul parish also in Cornwall didn't include the village was abolished and merged with St Buryan to form St Buryan, Lamorna and Paul but yet for some odd reason they decided to keep "Paul" in the name rather than just calling it St Buryan and Lamorna, maybe they wished to keep the fact that's what the new parish was formed from in the name?  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Reid (Indian Army officer)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Having a break
It's a sunny day and I've spent far too much time on-wiki, trying to help someone and then realising they'll bite my head off because we've been round the same loop 3 years ago, wondering why WikiData has killed off someone who appears to be still alive, watching some inept editing by some irritating editors (and lots of admirable editing by lots of lovely editors), getting stressed about it all ... time to take a break. Perhaps I'll try and stay away until the 1st of the month and the next WiR editathons. Probably I won't last out that long. Please don't break the encyclopedia (or wreck my favourite articles) while I'm away. The garden needs some attention. Happy Editing to all and sundry. Pam D  14:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, that didn't last long - couldn't resist WiR's start of the month, and the morning-after-the-byelection-before work on Kim Leadbeater, but I am now logging out again for a few days at least as I have opera choruses to rehearse, a rampant garden, bunting to sew ahead of Monday's "Freedom day" (not my idea but a village project) and other real life stuff to do. See you soon. Pam  D  17:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just popped in to talk again about categorisation around barrel racing (on which topic I'm persona non grata, obviously); got distracted onto APS members; commented on Borough of Blackpool and the move of Elinor Lupton Centre; time to log out again and sew that bunting and sing those choruses. Pam  D  16:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I got the bunting sewn, am way behind on practising the opera choruses and much else, but don't seem to be succeeding in taking much of a Wikibreak. Will keep trying - haven't read this week's book club book yet either. Pam  D  22:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

August Editathons with Women in Red
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DYK for Leeds Tiger
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Participation in a signpost interview
Hi PamD, hope that you're well and enjoyed your wikibreak. I was wondering if you'd be able to participate in a Signpost interview in your capacity as a member of WikiProject Redirect? I am enthusiastic about these interviews because they help remind other Wikipedians about the passionate and diverse group of volunteers that edit Wikipedia, and into the many discussions and editors that inhabit our space, nooks and crannies. If you had time to even answer a few questions here (User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/WikiProject redirects interview draft) I'd be very grateful :). Tom (LT) (talk) 08:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * While I could write a little opinion piece about the importance of creating redirects, and the satisfaction from seeing long-standing redlinks go blue by creating them, I don't really interact with the Redirects WikiProject much at all so don't think I can contribute much to your piece. I'm more a redirect-gnome than a project participant. But I do create a l-o-t of them - have a look at my contributions list, reduce it to "new creations in article space", and ignore the few actual articles or disambiguation pages, and you get left with the redirects. I wrote about a group of particularly complicated, and satisfying, cases here. Good luck with your Signpost piece, I hope you can find some project enthusiasts to help. Pam  D  15:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * - OK, I've had a go, see User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/WikiProject redirects interview draft/PamD, but I'm not really very involved in the WikiProject as such. There are people out there who are very involved in the categorisation of redirects (and presumably some people who use those categories for some purpose or other...) but I just create redirects, mostly. Pam  D  17:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks PamD, much appreciated! Tom (LT) (talk) 21:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 July 2021
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Helena Błażusiakówna
Hello Pam D, I think you will enjoy reading a new source of information about Helena Błażusiakówna.
 * GOSC, 8-13-2020, (August 13 2020), Lamentation of hard Helena (Google translation) (GOSC Gość Niedzielny (lit. Sunday Guest) is a Polish weekly Catholic News magazine. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 21:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 45
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hi.. thanks for the heads up concerning women in red.. it is late and i am sleepy but just wanted to thank you.. i went over there and tried to join but my name didnt show up.. ah well.. HOWever i am very VERY excited about the whole project and had no idea it was going on ! , fluffykerfuffle

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Sadia Sadia
Hate to impose but if at all possible would be ever so grateful for your eyes on this until at least it closes []. Am finding it very difficult to AGF and now getting very tired. Apologies for the interruption. Thanks, GreenForestRanger (talk) 13:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Sadia Sadia 2
I can't apologise enough for having to reach out again. The AfD could not have come at a worse time for me. I have at long last made it through to the second and final stage of two important shortlists, one of which is in front of a committee right now. It represents a lifetime's worth of work and the support of influential colleagues who I may not be able to call on again. My Wikipedia entry is now filled with 'unreliable source?' and 'failed verification'. While it might not influence a committee at best it doesn't help and at worst, well...

I have been working through my clippings and references today to produce a page of edits that I hope are coherent and in the correct format [].

Do you think I can safely - at the very least - input the correct URLs to remove the 'unreliable source?' and 'failed verification' notices? I do not want to set a foot wrong here. With yet again a thousand apologies, would be most grateful for your advice. Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenForestRanger (talk • contribs) 13:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

The Noon Gun premiered at 53rd Melbourne International Film Festival (MIFF). This the best I can find from the MIFF archive [ ].

The ref. [21] reference for the Sorbonne conference 'Les Devenirs Artistiques de L’Information' is here [ p.45]

Fully understand if not acceptable, I'm not a great organiser of information.

Thank you, after this last week I'm afraid you have me in tears. GreenForestRanger (talk) 14:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hallo, I was in the process of typing a reply ...


 * I'd already found a few reliable sources to replace the imdb links, so have now added them. I've found one or two more, but can't track down a source for that final statement about "Les Devenirs...": the full programme here doesn't seem to mention you or Ghosts of Noise.

... ah, following your link above I've now tracked down the mention of you and Ghosts and added. I think I've done enough. While I sympathise with your committee deadline etc, I've got real life stuff to get on with,
 * A gentle suggestion: Wikipedia editors tend to recoil from "walls of text". A few key points, clearly expressed, will have more impact. WP:TLDR is a thing. I can't face reading everything you've written. You may have noticed my posting in the deletion discussion where I gave what seemed to be two killer sources, briefly. That posting may have helped significantly (says she, modestly!).
 * If there are one or two key points which need to be corrected or added, say so, preferably on the article talk page rather than here, but briefly.
 * Good luck with the committee stuff. Pam  D  14:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that posting helped just a bit :) Point taken. Will do. Have updated Talk Page []. Thank you again, I've just been working very hard and I'm a bit tired.GreenForestRanger (talk) 15:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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Fictional counties
I had no involvement in the article or discussion but I saw your request to Sandstein. Here is a more complete off-wiki copy of the article https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/422464 I tried copying it to Wayback but it won't go. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Interesting. Pam  D  18:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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I need your help
Hello PamD: I am writing this message to ask for your help. I am a user who mainly edits existing articles on Wikipedia in English with the intention of improving them. But now I have a problem: I am interested in creating an article on Wikipedia in English with the biography of a German sociologist and sexologist named Monika Krause-Fuchs. Actually, I created that article, but after a few hours of creating it, another user converted it into a Draft, explaining that it was of poor quality. Actually I created that article as a translation of an original German Wikipedia article called "Monika Krause-Fuchs" (the same name I gave to the equivalent article that I created in English Wikipedia). Since that happened I have been improving the content of the Draft and adding references to it, but the problem now is that I do not know how to request that it be converted back into an article. I have been editing Wikipedia for some time now, but this is the first article that I have created, and I did not expect all this complication to arise. That is why I ask you, please, for your help. I would like to ask you to review the Draft "Monika Krause-Fuchs" that I have created and values ​​if it is ready to be converted into an article and (if possible) if you could request its conversion into an article. Here is the URL of the Draft that I created:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Monika_Krause-Fuchs?markasread=227864618&markasreadwiki=enwiki#/editor/0

Thank you Aziyade Gil (talk) 15:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Missing artist
Since you recently created Andy Edwards (sculptor), maybe you might want to the same for Marc Mellon, which has a equal number of potential redlinks. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 16:50, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea but I think I'll leave it to an American editor - I don't think I've heard of any of the people he's portrayed, unlike the Beatles, Cilla, Brian Clough etc. But I've left a note elsewhere. Pam  D  17:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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Amendment to Land's End John o'Goat's page regarding Brompton LEJOG record
Hi Pam, I've been in touch with Brompton regarding this. Is it possible for me to share the correspondence with you privately ? 86.171.240.160 (talk) 16:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really want to get that involved: stick with "if it's published in a reliable independent source it goes into the article, if not, then not. How about your local paper? Local cycling club website? A to B magazine? (That last delights in all things folding.) Pam  D  16:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pam. The basic outcome of my correspondence with Brompton is that they accept that Andrew Lock's report is misleading. They are going to amend their web-page and will later do an update, possibly with my details in it. This being the case, could you reverse the edit and leave the sentence as it was a week ago: The fastest reported completion of LEJOG on 16-inch wheel Brompton bicycles is currently that of Si Trickett and Stephen Brindle, between 22-29 April 2011. ref: https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?t=50504 86.171.240.160 (talk) 20:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, have reverted to the version before all the recent changes. If Brompton (or anyone else) publishes your record, please don't add this yourself - read WP:COI about "conflict of interest" - but add a note to the talk page giving the reference and the information which needs to be updated and I or someone else who has that article and its talk page on their watchlist will do the editing. Well done, and Happy Pedalling as well as Happy Editing! Pam  D  20:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Pam. Understood. 86.171.240.160 (talk) 21:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Barrel racing


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 * For any interested talk page watchers ... I created that category while trying to help sort out a muddled set of categories (Category:Barrel racers was a subcategory of Category:American barrel racers, that sort of thing): a bruising experience, and WikiProject Rodeos is now on my list of projects to steer well clear of. (Very short list: only one other entry that I can think of!) The categories have now been rearranged differently and this one, created by an "outsider", has been emptied so is naturally up for deletion. I really don't care one way or another. Pam  D  18:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Did You Know nomination
Hope we can better luck with this Pam and see some newbies with an article on the main page Victuallers (talk) 21:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm not sure that the wording "Opoku Ware was unique in that his wife, Victoria, ruled almost as an Ashanti First Lady until her death in 1995" in the source justifies the statement in the article/hook. Do you really think it does? Pam  D  22:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Feel happy to tweak it Pam. My thought was that you cannot be a little bit of a ruler, but I have added an extra clause. Do just change it. Victuallers (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have so few dealings with DYK that I couldn't work out what bits it was OK to tweak, to what extent it had already been reviewed, etc, hence commenting to you here!  Pam  D  18:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Caroline Spelman
Hi there, thanks for letting me know regarding WP:SDDATES - I was not aware of that. I have imported the short description, with year, as I believe Wikidata descriptions may not show up on mobile anymore (as per Short_description). - Simeon (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's interesting about the mobile display question. All a bit of a shambles really. There's a lot of vagueness around short descriptions: whether they should begin with a capital letter seems in doubt (but fortunately most biographies start with a nationality, indisputably capitalised)! Pam  D  14:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Lists merged
I have merged the lists to create Listed buildings in Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg. Please check to ensure that I have not created any errors in so doing - minor or major. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The list looks good as far as I can see.
 * Is there a reason you don't use the "region:GB" in the coords? It means that anyone clicking on the coord gets offered links to GB-specific maps such as OS, rather than just general world maps. I've tweaked the new page by adding them, but then wondered whether there was some subtle reason you'd chosen not to use the parameter! If so, please revert, of course. or discuss. I find it very helpful when I click on coords to be able to go directly to OS maps, if appropriate.
 * I've also moved the unadorned "EH" source to the top of the list for visibility - hope that's OK. And moved Skelsmergh Hall into the A-Z sequence. Apolgies if I've misunderstood something. Pam  D  16:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And indeed have now realised that they aren't in A-Z order, just coincidence that 7 of the 8 appear to be so when listed chronologically. Have self-reverted. Sorry about that. Pam  D  16:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No reason for not using "region:GB" other than my ignorance of it. Will add in future. Thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's always more to learn about editing, even for we long-established editors! Glad to be of service. Pam  D  17:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Parishes
I have started a list of (current) parishes at User:Crouch, Swale/Missing parishes. I'd note that back in January 2020 you pointed out around 93% have articles but it appears today (partly because I have identified some actually exist under a different name) that almost 96% exist, see User:Crouch, Swale/Missing parishes. I have also removed the buildings with parishes of the same name but the main page still links to User:Crouch, Swale/Civil parishes/Splits and suggests looking at them. As a side note what do you make of those listed at the bottom of User:Crouch, Swale/Civil parishes/Splits namely the likes of Goosnargh? where large parts of the settlement fall outside of the parish? My recommendation is to recommend not to split partly due to the fact that unlike the cases like Scotforth where the settlement was artificially removed from the parish it seems like (at least with Goosnargh and Catterall, I can't tell with Allington) the historical centre was and still is in the parish and it opens the door for many towns such as Rugeley to be split. I think the similar (last) point at WikiProject UK subdivisions/English districts that the boundaries may be historical. I have also started Orton, Carlisle.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, interesting stuff and I might have a look at Cumbria, but my head is already spinning when I look at Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg! I thought I'd finished the Cumbria parishes except for the "Lands common to Holme Abbey, Holme Low and Holme St Cuthbert" (not really a parish?) but I see there are a couple of red links there now.
 * On villages which share the name of parishes, I'm increasingly worried that we don't always make it clear what the population figure refers to: the latest one I've tried to clarify being Brayton, North Yorkshire. Pam  D  18:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You'd resolved all the red links in Cumbria at the time (2016) apart from the common land parish however there were several (like Muncaster) that were redirects and several like Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg were formed from merges. As you can see from my entry for Cumbria there are several redirect only cases, I have it in my preferences to show redirects as green links.
 * Regarding the LC parish, the Ordnance Survey definitely thinks its a CP as does VOB and we now do have Bridestowe and Sourton Common but perhaps its literally common land that belongs to Holme Abbey, Holme Low and Holme St. Cuthbert parishes rather than a parish in its own right, I'm not sure?
 * With populations if the article is for a village/parish and the data is for the parish (like Tyberton) then I'd state "parish" in running text but that's probably not needed when the place only exists as a parish (like Greenstead Green and Halstead Rural) though for some reason I've still used "parish" in stating this, probably because I've cut and pasted from other articles when creating. The data in the infobox probably should be specified its for the parish (namely in the population ref saying "(parish, 2011 census)") even though I haven't done so. When data is available for both I've used "built up area" and "parish" in text, see Fulford, Staffordshire and used the BUA population for the infobox but not specified when the place is only a BUA such as Woodbury Salterton. As a side note per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography we may need a RFC about if NOMIS and City Population are reliable sources at least for smaller BUAs.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What evidence is there that Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg is a parish? The two parishes share a parish council, but in 2011 they were separate parishes - this and that. The grouping doc of 2007 clearly refers to the two parishes continuing to exist. Has there been something more recent? Pam  D  14:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I can see OS thinks it's a parish, but would like to see some documentary evidence too. Pam  D  14:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, and NHLE knows about the new name too... Pam  D  14:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The parish council says "Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg parishes were combined in 2006", but I think they mean the councils were - or nobody told the ONS . Aaargh. Pam  D  14:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I got Scalthwaite confused with somewhere else. But would still be good to see a statement somewhere that they had combined, not just having to infer it from maps etc, when that grouping doc very clearly continues the existence of two parishes. Pam  D  14:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * While the grouping order back in 2007 was only for grouping them under a common council, from the council's agenda meeting on page 4 it says from 1 April 2015 they were formerly joined as a single parish, page 2 (7.1.3) of the council tax 2015-16 mentions the South Lakeland District Council (Re-Organisation of Community Governance) Order No. 2-2014 says but says "new parish councils" which is odd though UKBMD does also confirm the merge as a CP.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Now I have formerly launched the parish project with 431 articles.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Crimson (novel)
Could you please delete or apply for speedy deletion of this unnecessary redirect which you invented and later reverted (or rather: later redirected to the disambiguation page)? It would help reducing unnecessary clutter in the search field for other WP users looking up the term. Thanks --Robert Kerber (talk) 15:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No, because it is a likely title for an article on any of the three novels which are listed on the disambiguation page, so it is helpful to direct the reader to that page. Pam  D  15:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No? It was invented by you by mistake before seeing that there were other novels of this title. --Robert Kerber (talk) 15:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite, that's why I backtracked and pointed it to the place where readers would find the other two. Pam  D  15:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Your input on a user with greater Manchester articles
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Following up
Hello again! I want to apologize again for any watchlist interference that the tagging caused on my end. What I learn from this is that as long as the redirect is classified, whether or not it has a shell, is all that is needed from a human editor standpoint. Shell vs. no shell is irrelevant in that regard is what I gather. I know that if a tag is missing, it is an acceptable edit because that puts it in a category.

If I can assist with any cleanup, just let me know. Thanks for being such a vital member of the editing community. Best wishes. Red Director (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks - no problem, just one day's crazy watchlist and thank you for responding. There are so many things about editing which have unexpected complexities or implications. I don't really see the point of the banner shell, I must say. I hope you can find a new project with which to enjoy contributing to this amazing encyclopedia. Pam  D  22:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lesley Akyaa Opoku Ware
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Aurat
Hi, I noticed all the warnings posted on talk:SilentSys, and then noticed all the back-and-forth edits at Aurat. It's good that you've started a discussion there but you want to be wary of wp:ew. It'll get sorted out eventually. -  wolf  15:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for the reminder/warning: I think I'll have to take them to ANI next time. It's just a straightforward matter of how a dab page is formatted and what it contains. Pam  D  15:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of World order (disambiguation)


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 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
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 * Hello, PamD,
 * I've removed the CSD tag as it does redirect to a list-like article. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it seems to have had a fairly complicated history since I created it as a redirect to a dab page 12 years ago, but it's probably still useful! Pam  D  20:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Harriet Elizabeth Savill
Hi Pam, please be aware that (in my opinion) my original edit was fine per MOS:PMC. It's OK to fix quotes. The 'sic' is fine also. Neils51 (talk) 12:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Rose Lee Maphis
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Nomination for deletion of Template:National Cycle Network Route 700
Template:National Cycle Network Route 700 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Now at User:PamD/National Cycle Network Route 700, until I feel strong enough to battle with route-diagram template syntax and develope it. Pam D  12:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

"William Taylor(Nights: Journey of Dreams)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Peele
(Gillian Peele - link for talk page watchers. Pam  D  19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC))

Sorry if I ended up sort of gazumping an article you aleady had in progress, thanks for the sources and thanks for doing the necessary cleanup. I currently should have known not to use currently. etc etc. Feel free to improve it, I somehow don't think I really captured her work at LMR particularly well. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * She was in my list of possible future articles - I tend to google around and note down useful websites, then add to the list until the moment is right. Glad to be able to help. I've actually added a note at Talk:University of Oxford to comment on the fact that her department hasn't got an article, nor even a mention in a list anywhere, while a lot of seemingly similar depts have articles.  Pam  D  13:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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Davide Giri
He was a graduate student, but he did some publications, he would have been a great professor, Columbia University held a ceremony, there is an investigation and a trial. Let me finish the article. It can be relevant and for Italy it is very important. You can also participate with corrections and clarifications I hope you will let me finish the work of writing the article. Thanks Italy does not forget. --Peter39c (talk) 18:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please work on an article in userspace or draft until it has enough content to show why the person might be considered notable, or at least use the under construction or in use template if you are still developing it. Pam  D  01:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:21st-century Ghanaian engineers


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Taking a break
I need to get on with a lot of neglected things in real life so will try to have a Wikibreak for a few days, and leave the rest of you to look after Major Parish Churches, Winter Walks, discussions about minutiae of dab pages, corrections to carelessness (check your edits, fix any categories which appear in red, use care when copying and pasting because Redcar isn't in the West Midlands, check your edits again), and all the rest. Just please don't break any of my favourite articles while I'm away. Messages on this talk page will reach me via email if something is urgent. Happy Christmas to all if I'm not back by then. Pam D  08:46, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Can't stay away: is there a record for how many errors can be included in one stub, I wonder? A category which includes both the wrong location and the wrong listing grade is pretty good going, along with two red, non-existent, categories (they both existed, just with slightly different names), the wrong listing grade in infobox (consistent, anyway), and the wrong diocese (wrong name, wrong denomination), and a link to a nonexistent Commons category (again, existed under a different name). At least the coordinates are right (I felt I had to check), and use the "region:GB", although too precise. Logging off again now. Pam  D  17:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Have a good Christmas anyway
Generally I see your edits in my watchlist and just assume that they will be fine without even looking. So I am somewhat distressed to discover that I re-edited one of your edits. Maybe two... — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, probably one of the short descriptions where I thought just "Yorkshire" was enough. I think the first I changed was a "town and civil parish in xxxx Yorkshire, England", where I thought "and civil parish" was more useful than South/West, and I then removed the South/West thereafter for consistency. As long as we drop "minster town", all is well. Happy Christmas. Pam  D  23:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Season's greetings and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday season. Cheers! RV (talk) 03:09, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Greetings
Wishing all my talk page watchers a Happy Christmas and a healthy and peaceful 2022. (Just back from an evening of mulled wine and raucous carol-singing in marquee outside local pub.) Pam  D  23:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The raucous ones are the best. Merry Christmas Pam, and all the best for the new year! the wub "?!"  19:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi PamD, sorry for the late reply to this statement of yours. I don't understand your argumentation as Category:Taekwondo_practitioners_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics obviously is a sub-category of Category:Competitors at the 2020 Summer Olympics. This implies that Naomie Katoka has indeed competed in Tokyo which is wrong. Therefore I would be very much in favor of removing the misleading category information from the article itself. Regards --RonaldH (talk) 23:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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2011 census in hamlets
Thankyou for expanding Haltcliff Bridge but is it really a good idea to put the 2011 census for "Mungrisdale" parish in the hamlet article? If they want that information then they'll surely click on the parish article. I think its OK to include parish population if there's no data for the village and the parish includes a settlement and little other population centres or the parish was recently renamed though but not for hamlets in a larger parish.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it's worthwhile: it gives an upper bound for the population, and an indication that it's probably a thinly-populated area. I added it to the other hamlets in the parish, redirected Murrah, etc - see my recent contribs list. Pam  D  19:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But does is really belong in the hamlet articles? It seems like unnecessary content forking to put a population of a much larger place in a smaller one, just like putting the population of Cumbria in the Cockermouth article or the population of England in the Manchester article.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:59, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that when it's the only known population figure it's useful to include it. Pam  D  20:27, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

TheoTown
I'm still editing it and you marked it for deletion... Anpang01 (talk) 08:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Once you create an article in mainspace, it is part of the encyclopedia and needs to meet standards. If you are still working on it, use under construction and/or in use. Better still, make sure that in your very first edit of the article you include at least one Reliable independent published source which indicates the topic's notability. ALternatively, start work on the article as a draft or in your userspace, and move it into mainspace when it is ready. Pam  D  08:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to put the template but you came edit and I saw it was going to edit conflict or something Anpang01 (talk) 08:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

ARCA
Back in 2020 you made the point that 7% of parishes were missing now its less that 4%. I haven't made any new discussions other than User:Crouch, Swale/Missing parishes since Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England/Parishes RfC in November 2020 because several people there to have a permanent moratorium on these England Parish RFCs so I didn't want to annoy anyone else. It is now being asked at my current one what consensus there is for creating the (now 405) missing parishes.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, in digging around about parish articles I'd created I found Preston Patrick where in an edit in 2018 you'd added a separate paragraph about the Hall which was already mentioned in the following paragraph: careless editing, not boding well for a  happy future. But I'll chip in at WP:ARCA in support of parishes.  Pam  D  18:38, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the information about the hall was moved from Endmoor where it clearly didn't belong, I didn't move the information about the church because that already had a separate article but I missed the fact the hall was already mentioned. I generally use "show preview" but still sometimes make careless mistakes but I generally end up noting them (or someone else does) and then they are corrected.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Churches in Ringsaker Deanery


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Hello
how are you User:PamD can you help me review this article Draft:Smmcpan and move it to mainspace please, thank you ---US Wikipedian (talk) 13:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I rejected your draft. Wikipedia is not a platform for you to advertise, especially if you have a conflict of interest and have already been blocked from editing. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 15:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Parishes project
I've added a 2nd progress bar at User:Crouch, Swale/Missing parishes for the total number of parishes rather than just those that were missing when the project was launched in October last year. We're now down to 397. I will try ping project for the wikiprojects with missing parishes which should hopefully get a few more.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk )
 * Haven't done, the template doesn't appear to allow it to work for any project.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:32, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I can ping them manually, I'll do it gradually so that I'm not flooded with comments/new articles at once. If I don't manage to get most of them created perhaps as I suggested you or PamD could start a RFC on this since I don't think I should try again given last time's problems. WTT I can tell you that we are now down to 396, 11 less than 1 January when I filed my appeal so even without my ability to create them it looks like its a lot less than 33 years!  Crouch, Swale  ( talk )  17:54, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Citation styles
Well call me a philistine but each of the three articles I have helped get to GA uses sfn for multiple citations of the same book and ref|cite|/ref for single instance citations. [See, for example, Calendar (New Style) Act 1750 ]. This was primarily because it made a difficult task manageable, some of the citations are quite messy. But also I consider it unfriendly to readers (especially on mobile) to have to step through an intermediate phase to get to a cited web page. I really can't see what is so terrible about mixing techniques according to the context but that apparently is a hanging offence.

I gather that there was trench warfare over citation styles before my time so this is at your talk page rather than breaking a lance at the article talk page. I've already had my knuckles rapped for daring to raise the concept of appropriate technology. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 00:18, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Set articles
Hello, what is set articles? When i search Wikipedia for Set articles, i cannot see that. Is there some way to search Wikipedia only for those instructions and not articles etc... --Nox Lumen (talk) 10:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See Set index articles. If you search, then look at the search box display and click on "Add Namespaces" you can choose "Wikipedia" from the options, to search all the internal pages. There are a lot of short cuts like WP:SETINDEX, so it can be worth guessing a likely abbreviation (eg WP:STUBS). There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an intersting journey. Happy Editing! Pam  D  18:44, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it looks like i have to learn quickly :) Nice day! -- Nox Lumen (talk | contribs) 12:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , if it is of any consolation, I've been an editor for more than ten years and this is the first time I've heard of SIAs. And then only by happy coincidence of having a one week watch on PamD's page. It's a gold-field out there! (it's a mine-field too, but time for a happy Monday). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * John Maynard Friedman@undefined This arose from Antibody fragment. SIAs seem a bit strange, dab-page-lookalike but following different rules. Pam  D  14:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Pam. I'm afraid the distinction from wp:disambiguation escapes me.
 * So how does it differ from "broad category"? I ask because there is a minor kafuffle over the name of Canon (basic principle). Is it a disambig? (no, we have Canon (disambiguation)). The name should be a clue to what it is about, but Catch 22. (I'm not suggesting you get stuck in and fix it, I'm just wondering if there is another of these gems hidden away that would provide A Cunning Plan to solve it.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Precise heights and topology addition to Callow Hill
Precise heights and topology addition to Callow Hill... Very dismayed to find my additions removed, all the height data is from the Database of British Hills which has the most accurate data available, much more accurate than OS map data. The topological data Re Callow Hill is all from 150metre contour lines below the Marilyn summit plus hundred metres contour line data below the two major subsidiary summits that are part of the overall hill massif. Vegibagger (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Anne Rice Award
Wow! I'd never heard of this award but am honoured to be a recipient! May I ask for Frances Brody (aka Frances McNeil) to be taken into account too, as another wonderful pseudonymous woman writer? Thank you. Pam D  21:14, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. It's a newly-created award for WP:WPWW, mostly sourced from here, but elsewhere, too. Feel free to give the award to others (and then add them here for historical tracking purposes. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Hope you can comment on a merge discussion
Hello I see you are interested in the subject so I hope you might have time to write a sentence or 2 at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cost_of_electricity_by_source#Merger_proposal

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Batlhaping High School
Hey, Pam,

I hope you are well. Just a reminder, when you move a page from main space to Draft space, please remember to tag the original page for speedy deletion, CSD R2. Tagging the page makes it show up in CSD categories where a patrolling admin can see it and take care of it. Many thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:55, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that - I think I had a vague idea that a bot would come along and recognise it as a cross-namespace redirect needing deletion, but another time I'll try to remember to speedy it myself. Thanks. Pam  D  08:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

More units!
Hello Pam! I hope you are well - I do not have much time (or patience, actually) for WP these days, but a couple of things I hope you can help with.


 * The unit picul has an OED link which returns 403 (Forbidden)... this doesn't seem right.
 * The unit Rod (unit) has a poor reference for the dialectal name "lug". I checked the SOED (which I have in paper), and it's there. So must surely be in the OED. I was going to ask if you can quickly and easily add the appropriate reference; there really ought to be a template such as, since that is all that is needed.

I believe the OED is (normally) behind a paywall, and I can't access it. Any idea what is going on with the picul link?? Imaginatorium (talk) 09:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh the joys of online access to OED through the UK public library system! (Is it not available as part of the Wikipedia Library?) And there's Cite OED too. I've tweaked both the articles. Pam  D  10:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I see it doesn't seem to be included in Wikipedia Library: what a sad loss for those who don't have library access. Pam  D  10:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sorting that out, Pam. You know (?) I live in Japan, so don't immediately have access to the OED; I think I could possibly get access through my Cambridge college, but it's all more hassle... And even with the template, it seems a bit dodgy to refer to a different dictionary than the one I am looking at, so I may ask for help again. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd spotted that you're in foreign parts. When I retired from a job with access to lots of online stuff, OED was the one I was most relieved to discover I could still get at through the public library service. If your college can give you access, go for it (ODNB is another resource useful for a lot of Wikipedia editing ... but only if you're working on UK biogs I suppose).  Pam  D  09:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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Editing comment
Hi, Pam. I hate to edit my comment after someone has already replied, but I felt the need to do so. I don't think it changes anything you wrote, but let me know if you would prefer I add an indication that my comment was amended after your reply. Graham (talk) 07:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Chitral District Languages of Chitral tag remove request
Hi, Please remove Languages of Chitral tag from Chitral District because i created it separately there is no need in Chitral District section so please remove this tag as soon as possible.103.255.7.41 (talk) 10:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)


 * If you disagree with the suggested merge, please discuss it at the appropriate talk page. Do not just remove the merge template. Pam  D  10:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't merge it in future i will expand in full page Chitral District is not about languages.103.255.7.41 (talk) 10:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * See my comment above. Pam  D  12:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Justine Roberts
Hi PamD! The problem with Justine Roberts is that the subject has challenged this, saying that they are separated, but as per normal they're being made to jump through hoops to prove it, while also being told that it is trivial information. It seemed like the best solution was just to leave it out until this can be settled. - Bilby (talk) 05:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There was no indication in article or talk page. Clearly they have been married, in umpteen RS. I was just reinstating sourced content, seem to have been wasting my time. Pam  D  05:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No question that they were married - they just describe themselves as separated. I'm wondering if we can word this in a way that doesn't create a problem for the subject? I'll see if I can find a year, at least, so we can state it as an event rather than necessarily an ongoing arrangement. - Bilby (talk) 06:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Difficult, as any reasonable form of words either implies still married or implies not still married, which is only likely to be sourceable to non-RS gossip. Yes, a date would make it doable. Pam  D  06:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can dig up. It get's a tad frustrating when people try to get something that matters to them fixed, and are then told both they they need to get it published in a reliable source and that it is a trivial issue, but we won't fix it without the RS. :( I'm sure a year must have been mentioned somewhere. - Bilby (talk) 06:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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Question about sandbox
Hello PamD, I couldn't really understand that what is Sandbox and what is Main Space. Can you help me? User:Navas Puthanazhi (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "Mainspace" is the public encyclopedia, the articles. Everything there must come up to standard - sources, notability, and written well enough to be understood. WP:Sandbox is an area where you can experiment, though even there you must not break copyright law or be offensive etc. You an also have your personal Sandbox at  User:Navas Puthanazhi/sandbox. See WP:About the sandbox. Then there are Drafts, which are possible new articles not yet ready for mainspace. I hope that answers your question. Happy Editing!  Pam  D  23:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, PamD Navas Puthanazhi (talk) 12:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)