User talk:Panser Born/Archive 1

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 * Oh alright, I guess that's fair enough. I'll try not to do it again. Panser Born   (talk)  20:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

help
i saw your message but i still keep having "you have a new message" on every page i visit ! 86.69.135.98 12:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Sounds like your browser cache hasn't been updated. Try refreshing the page in question, and if that doesn't work, add &action=purge to the end of the URL in the address bar. Panser Born   (talk)  12:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

barbara walters
what are you talking about? it's not unhelpful?? I'm trying to spruce up the page with a photo. She's BARBARA WALTERS for crying out loud. She needs a picture! And I fixed the info box so it didn't say her ethniticty was Jewish. That's a religion. And in the talk section someone mentioned that we should add something about how 3 people called her a liar, so I added it. Ilovebabawawa 18:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It'd be nice and dandy if you'd answer me! Ilovebabawawa 18:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you honestly have no idea what was wrong with your edits, then I suggest you read the links at the top of your user talk page. Panser Born   (talk)  18:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read the rules and I think you guys are just OCD perfectionists that can't handle some FACTUAL information that wasn't added by you. Barbara Walters deserves a better page, and I was trying to improve it. Ilovebabawawa 18:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * With an edit like this (diff) One could hardly call this notible information.   Planetary Chaos  Talk to me  20:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I was fixing the infobox, trying to get rid of the red look to it. Ilovebabawawa 21:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks to me more like you vandalised the information in the infobox and added uncited fact and opinion. Panser Born   (talk)  23:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed that her ethniticity is JEWISH because that's her RELIGION. Ilovebabawawa 18:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Most secular American Jews think of their Jewishness as a matter of culture or ethnicity." - according to this site. Seeing as that site is run by a Jewish person, I would say that's a fairly credible source. As it seems to be general consensus, it makes sense to leave it there. I'll also take this opportunity to remind you that your change to the ethnicity section was not all you did to that page, as shown at the link provided by Planetary Chaos. Almost everything else was vandalism. Panser Born   (talk)  18:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please tell me how what I did was evidence. I provided a picture of the woman and I added some interesting trivia. If you need a source, I'll add one. It was on "The View." I'm sure a video of it is on YouTube somewhere. Ilovebabawawa 19:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You've stated that you've read all the rules of Wikipedia, and yet you don't understand why your photograph was rejected and why YouTube isn't a credible source? If you're not going to read (and understand) the rules, then this discussion is pointless. Unless you have something else of amazing importance to say to me, I suggest we end this discussion. Panser Born   (talk)  20:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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thanks
thanks for letting me know that..i willl take care in future.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phariharan (talk • contribs) 01:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Deleting content
Apologies for doing something that could be considered vandalism - I wasn't aware that this would be the case. The content I was deleting was simply a redirect, nothing more. The content it was redirecting to is still present and correct, under its original name, and I hoped my actions would free up the name that it was redirecting from so its root could be attributed to a closer match. Apologies again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.235.219 (talk) 14:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah, you're right. It's my fault actually, sorry for reverting your work! I assumed that you had just added information from the article it was redirecting to. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Panser Born   (talk)  16:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Sphallolalia
Hi, I was going through CAT:CSD when I saw this article. It apparantly is real (see g-hits) and thus not speedyable as nonsense. I have added a prod to it because I do not believe that it meets WP:NEO. Please feel free to nominate it at WP:AFD should the prod be removed ... but it does not appear to qualify for speedy deletion. --BigDT 12:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, thanks for letting me know. Panser Born   (talk)  18:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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thankyou for your concern
i will refrain from editing and creating nosense in the future. i was merely interested in testing out how to create a page, and was unaware of the 'sandbox'. all future articles and editions on my behalf shall be genuine and corect.

have a pleasent day, yours sincerely,

Lord phoenix Vulcun. Richarna 02:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Help
Is the help link help, or helpme? On my talk page you said help, but I posted a help days ago and have not heard a peep. I just noticed somewhere else that there is a helpme tag, so i edited my talk page to say that instead. Is there a difference? -YeLLeY511 04:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on user's talk page. Panser Born   (talk)  08:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Spoken article
I've been unable to work on recording gold standard at all for nearly a year, so I've finally and belatedly removed myself from the list. IceKarma&#x0950; 22:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

widespread Panic
Yeah take me off the list sorry about that, I had forgotten.

Thanks M4bwav 15:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Kenny G
My quote from a site that was verified was not vandallism. It showed the most open language and fustration pat metheny has over Kenny G. This was posted in the Critism section. Did you even read the quote or check the source? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.172.2.14 (talk) 03:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC).


 * The quote was "But when Kenny G decided that it was appropriate for him to defile the music of the man who is probably the greatest jazz musician that has ever lived by spewing his lame-ass, jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing all over one of the great Louis's tracks (even one of his lesser ones), he did something that I would not have imagined possible."-Pat Metheny


 * That was my 'vandalism' and 'unhelpful quote' it got to much more to the point than the other one? please give a valid reason of why it shouldnt be included? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.172.2.14 (talk) 03:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Ah, I see. I hadn't realised that quote had actually come from one of the references used in the article. I'm sure you can understand that anonymous IPs adding information like that could easily be misinterpreted as vandalism, which was why I reverted it. Sorry about that. However, having said that, I don't think the article warrants the inclusion of another quote from that particular source in that section. First of all, we already have two quotes from that source, which I believe is more than enough to get the gist of what Pat Metheny is saying. Secondly, there is a danger at the moment that the musical criticism section will just turn into a large collection of quotes, without any substantial text on the subject, which certainly won't be of much help to the people reading it. Finally, that quote is already available if at the bottom of the page via an external link, so people who want to find out more can do so easily. So I apologise for labelling you a vandal, but I don't think that quote needs to be added. Cheers, Panser Born   (talk)  08:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ill Nino
They are Nu Metal. They have even stated in various interviews that they are!

I will change the genre back to Nu metal again. You obvisouly have very little understanding of metal if you see Ill Nino to be Alternative metal, Speed metal, or Heavy metal.

Heavy metal is considered to be the base of all metal music. Includes guitar solos, no artifical sounds etc. Name one Ill Nino song where there is a guitar solo! Name one Ill Nino song that has a Classic Metal/Heavy Metal sound to it!

Speed metal includes the same, but with a very high beats per. minute. Ill nino does not play high beat songs, except for 'This Is War'.

I doubt that you are even a fan of Ill Nino, considering you think that they are these genres.

Ill Nino have their heavy songs ('Liar', 'Violent Saint', 'If You Still Hate Me' etc.) and also their slower 'rock based' songs, ('Unframed', 'How Can I Live', 'What You Deserve', 'Predisposed' ect.).

That's what Nu Metal is. Basically a hard rock base, with elements of metal (See the 'Alternative Rock' article for verification.).

Don't believe everything you see on the internet. By this I mean the genres you gave ciations for.

(ie.) If you went to a Heavy Metal fan and said, "Ill Nino" are a heavy metal band. You would be laughed at.

Besides, Ill Nino genre has been listed as Nu Metal/Latin Metal on wikipedia for years. I don't see why you must come and change it.

In brief, you are the one vandalizing the article by listing false or irrelevant genres. I will change the genre back to Nu Metal. What you must remember is that anyone can edit on Wikipedia. And what does it say before you edit a page? "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it."

Thankyou,

Paul. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.224.122 (talk) 01:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Thank you for taking the time to write out the explanations of the various types of metal, but it was a bit unnecessary - I'm not adding genres that I believe Ill Niño fit under (as that would be original research), I'm simply adding genres that I have found a reputable source for. All Music Guide is considered to be a reliable source, and therefore the genres warrant inclusion in the article. I have reverted the article back to the version which displays the genres as being nu metal, heavy metal, alternative metal and speed metal. It would be great if you could find a citation for the nu metal genre - perhaps you could find a link to one of the interviews in which they state they are nu metal?


 * I agree that I probably shouldn't have removed the nu metal genre when I added the others in the first place, and I apologise for doing so. However, I had corrected this (by including nu metal alongside the other genres) before your most recent revert of the article, which I feel was uncalled for.


 * I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Cheers, Panser Born   (talk)  22:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Ixnay on the nfo iay
Seriously you give out too much info on your screen. Oh, and um, if you've got any tips for finding the Nirini River on Tales of the Abyss, please tell me!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cptmike2 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Errr...what? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about in both cases. Panser Born   (talk)  09:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Spoken article reviews
I've replied on my talk page to keep the conversation together so it might be of benefit to others. -- Macropode 05:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Test edit
in relation to that change you reverted, i actually reverted it myself about 2 minutes after i made it*. This temporary vandalism was just a bit of banter between me and my mate (a protestant by the way...).


 * Although we must have made the revert at the same time or something, cos i dunno how you managed to do it as well.

Anyway, I assure you it was intended to be temporary and in no way offensive (due to its short lifespan). I might take this opportunity to congratulate you on your eagle eyes and speedy pick up of the edit though. Fair play!

Slán. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.137.0.9 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 14 March 2007
 * Thanks for the compliment, but please try and keep any further test edits in the sandbox. Cheers, Panser Born   (talk)  15:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

me again
i was just checking the prod salng page again to make sure that i did actually revert that edit. I did - edit was made at 15.20 and reverted at 15.21 - this can bee seen on the history of that page.

just in case you thought i was talking shit...

Later —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.137.0.9 (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Help, adding audio
Hey do you know anyone with permission to add Spoken Wikipedia|En-wiki.ogg|2007-03-14 to the wikipedia page for wiki thanks a lot! SpeakThings:Mellerbeck 18:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. --- RockMFR 20:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Resistant Reading
I realize that I removed content; however, vandalism was not my intent. I simply wanted to see what would happen if an article redirected to a redirect page. I would have used the sandbox, but redirects don't work there. Thanks! 74.104.224.144 23:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see. In future, you could always register an account and create a subpage in your userspace, which would allow you to test redirects. =) Cheers, Panser Born   (talk)  12:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. I suppose I should register an account sometime. 74.104.224.144 00:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Spoken articles
Hey I am still working on urban studies, architecture, etc, problem is that I'm not sure where to upload and edit the article to have the link to the sound file. The spoken home page is kind of confusing, please help :) Davumaya 05:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll try and give you a hand. I'm assuming here that you've finished making a recording, and now just need to upload it. Don't be intimidated by the length of these instructions - it's all really quite simple once you get the hang of it!


 * 1) The first thing you need to do is upload the file to Wikipedia. However, because you'll be releasing the file under the GDFL (this is a license), then it would be better to upload the file to Wikimedia Commons, a sister project of Wikipedia.
 * Create an account on the Commons, then click on the Upload File button. It's located in a box called Participate on the left of the screen. If you can't find it, just click here instead.
 * Browse for the file on your hard drive, and select it.
 * Now in the Destination filename box, call the file En-NAME OF ARTICLE (don't forget to change NAME OF ARTICLE to the actual name of the article!). The En- part at the beginning is just to tell people that the file is spoken in English.
 * In the summary box, paste the following code in:


 * In the title section, add :en:NAME OF ARTICLE (note that the two colons are important)
 * In the time section, add how long the recording lasts for (e.g. 27:18)
 * In the user name section, just type in the username you registered with on the Commons
 * In the date section, add the current date in this format: 2007-03-21
 * In the link to recorded version section, you'll need to add a link that takes the user to the page which you read.
 * Go to the article you've recorded (such as architecture), and click on the history tab at the top of the screen.
 * Now click on the time and date of the version of the article which you recorded. This should bring up an old copy of the page.
 * Copy the URL from the navigation bar in your browser (it should look something like this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Panser_Born&oldid=115606123 )
 * Finally, paste it into the link to recorded version section.
 * In the accent section, add your accent. This is normally just the region of the country in which you live, followed by your country name. For example, mine is South East U.K.
 * If you're not sure about any of the above steps, you can always click here to see how I filled it out for one of my recordings.
 * Leave the licensing drop down menu on none selected.
 * Finally, click on Upload File. This will probably take several minutes, depending on your internet connection speed and the size of the file you recorded.
 * Once it's uploaded, you should be taken to a page called something like Image:En-Architecture

 The next step is to add the correct spoken article template to the article you've recorded. At the top of the external links section of the article in question, paste the following code: Now click on the article's talk page, and add the following to the top of the page: Great, you're almost done! Now just go to this page, and list the article under the correct heading using either this template for a featured article: Article Name Or this for a normal article: Article Name Don't forget to make sure it's in alphebetical order. Nice one, you've finished. Now everyone can listen to your recording of the article! I hope all of that helped, and wasn't too confusing. Let me know how you get on. =) Cheers, -Panser Born-   (talk)  12:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Replace FileName.ogg with the name of your uploaded file (it will be something like En-Architecture.ogg)
 * Replace YYYY-MM-DD with the date, in that format (e.g. 2007-03-21)
 * Save the changes you've made.
 * Replace the filename section with the name of the uploaded file, as you did before.

Edits to Atreyu (band)
I noticed your edits to Atreyu (band) and thought I'd tell you that and are exactly the same, and both the exact same thing. -- Spe bi 05:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC) is XHTML compliant, whereas  isn't.  -Panser Born-   (talk)  12:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They are indeed - however

Hind (computer game) article
oh sorry, i thought it was wikipedia doing strange things

ive pretty much finished now.. so go ahead and replace your edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.24.134.243 (talk) 18:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * For those that are new to this (me being one) - quite obviously this is some kind of spastic bot with a really brutal filter. If you get a cease and decist message, well... either pay heed, or ignore.


 * What you dont do is reply, 'cos its not a real person :)


 * The above message being a good example... the page I was trying to edit has NOTHING to do with music let alone lyrics. any human would know that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.24.134.243 (talk) 18:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hehe, I can assure you that I am 100% flesh and bone, and definitely not a bot. You'll find that if you look at the edit history of this page, another user made a comment about a different page (involving lyrics). Your comments were made at roughly the same time, and I can see why you would get confused. -Panser Born-   (talk)  18:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * sorry. as i said im still figuring this wikipedia stuff all out...


 * Can we sort out what we both changed into something meaningful together?
 * (not quite sure how to talk to you on a more convenient basis to do so :/) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.24.134.243 (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Original poster notes that suddenly, a new message about tom petty appears. Oops — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.24.134.243 (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Using talk pages is pretty much the only way to communicate on Wikipedia, so we'll have to make do with them. In regards to the Hind article, there's nothing else that needs to be resolved between us - I've re-added the maintenance templates, and the issues should get addressed by someone at some point in the future. I'll give you a bit of help though - give me a couple of minutes, and I'll stick some information on your talk page that'll help you get acquianted with Wikipedia. There's quite a bit of information to learn, but there's no need to do it all at once. Oh, and in future, when you're using a talk page, don't forget to sign your comments by typing ~ after your text - this helps people know who said which comment. Cheers, -Panser Born-   (talk)  19:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok 1st of all, I just updated that page because it was so badly formatted and misleading that it was literally discusting to me - as an ex-hardcore player of the game. I am not interested in becoming a permanent contributor.


 * next, the gameplay section is about all i changed (apart from sentences moved to more contextual places and a few paragraph breaks).... why the *whole* article keeps getting crazy 'this needs work' etc. markers is... uhm... unbelievable?


 * also someone seems to keep adding 'this is a fan site' to the list of units in the game. These were in the original article, ive not changed a single character, and also, i am absolutely astounded as to how something informative like a list of units in the game is classified as a 'fan site'.


 * admittedly, the original article sucked, but im rather dissapointed that all my hard work got, was a bunch of reader-repelling gigantic boxes saying, in essence: 'this sucks'.


 * If you dont like it, clean it up. Isn't that the whole point of wikipedia.org?


 * 203.24.134.243 19:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Let me explain why I have added each maintenance template, and what the purpose of adding them is.
 * The first template says this article does not adequately cite its references or sources. All articles on Wikipedia need to reference outside sources (such as other websites, books, newspapers etc.), so that readers can check the information they are reading is true and verifiable. An example of an article with sources is Alpine Marmot - they are listed at the bottom in the references section. There is a whole page about citing sources right here. I added this template because the Hind article doesn't cite any sources.
 * The second template says this article (or section) may need to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Wikifying involves adding wikilinks (basically the blue links that appear on all articles). I added this template because the Hind article has very few wikilinks.
 * The third template says this article or section may need a complete rewrite, which is somewhat more self-explanatory than the other two. The reason I added this is because the article as a whole is poorly written, and needs reorganising and restructuring to remove fancruft. (Fancruft is information that would only be of interest to fans of the game, and is meaningless to a normal audience.)
 * The fourth template (slightly further down the article) says this article or section reads like a review and may need cleanup. This means that the section it is placed in hasn't been written in the formal tone expected on an encyclopedia, and sounds more like a review of the game, which is unacceptable by Wikipedia quality standards.
 * The fifth tempate says this article or section resembles a fan site, which is also quite self-explanatory. The section it is placed in consists only of endless vehicle models, which is meaningless and unreadable by readers.


 * The reason for these templates is that when maintenance templates are added to an article, they place the article into a category. There are many Wikipedians who go through these categories, and fix the problems with articles. By adding these five templates to the article, eventually another Wikipedian will find the article by browsing through the said category, and fix the problems.


 * You state that if I don't like it, I should "clean it up". Unfortunetely, I'm not being paid to edit and contribute to Wikipedia, and therefore am not under any obligation to clean anything up. Because I didn't feel inclined to fix all the problems with the article, I instead added the templates, so that eventually someone who does wish to edit the article will come along and do so.


 * I hope I've now helped you understand the reasoning behind the addition of the templates. -Panser Born-   (talk)  20:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Breakdown (Tom Petty song) article
Hi, sorry about changing the lyrics, but they were already on the page when I clicked there. So, I just changed them so they were correct. I didn't realize that they were not allowed on Wikipedia. Glad you caught them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.68.58 (talk) 18:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry - your IP was similar to the one that added the lyrics in the first place, and when I glanced at them, they looked the same. -Panser Born-   (talk)  18:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
for the cheers, (and the barnstar)! -- Macropode 06:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Pop-screen
User:Hassocks5489 has a suggestion for an alternative pop-screen material here. -- Macropode 07:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha, that's quite interesting, thanks for bringing it to my attention. -Panser Born-   (talk)  09:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)