User talk:Panyd/Archive 15

Why did you semi-protect Austria-Hungary?
There are no recent confirmed sockpuppets at this article. This is just a lame pretext, Fakirbakir wants the article semiprotected to be able to impose his version without resistance from anonymous editors. 176.61.232.104 (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You'll note that I didn't say there was sockpuppetry going on. I see no immediate evidence of it, and besides, it's not my area of expertise. What I do see is an ongoing tug-of-war between IP editors and new accounts against other users with confirmed accounts. There doesn't appear to be any productive dialogue about the content on the article's talk page (though there is a complete abandonment of good faith by...everyone). For the next two weeks, the article will be restricted to only being edited by autoconfirmed users, but all IP editors and new editors can request an edit be made to the page in line with consensus. If there is sockpuppetry going on, I hope somebody takes the time to report it and handle the situation. As it stands, editors need to come to an agreement over the content and stop edit warring (I don't care who started it). PanydThe muffin is not subtle 13:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Prep 2
Hi, I put an "in use" template on this prep set as I am almost finished building it. Could you move Logan Beirne to Prep 3? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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File copyright problem with File:Joel Nkaya Bendera.jpg
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 * I thought I'd put the thing under fair use with a rationale... PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There is currently no copyright tag, which is different from a fair use rationale. The file information page contains some of the things required in a fair use rationale, but not everything. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I'll get on that tomorrow, but if it's easy a hand would be very welcome. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:54, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

East London meetups
Hi,I am sitting in an almost empty Waitrose Café, Canary Wharf, on a Wednesday evening. I wandered around looking for a suitable place for a meet up: Unfortunately the Starbucks outside the library shuts at 7:00 pm. I think this place would be fine - almost empty, reasonable price with free coffee if you buy something (i.e. a cake?). After all the talk on WMUK list I thought it would be better to do something. What I would suggest is perhaps an East London meetup on the last Wednesday of the month, starting wed 24 June. What do you think? Leutha (talk) 19:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Your comments at WP:ARC
I saw your comments here. It is astonishing to me that ArbCom is going to pass a motion to sweep this whole damn thing under the rug. Through their inaction, they are giving their official blessing to grossly insulting behavior on this project. There isn't a person alive who doesn't have a temper tantrum once in a while. But this guy went far, far beyond that. He maintained a disgusting level of hatred for at least a week and a half. I've long maintained that our WP:CIVIL policy is void. I think it's a given at this point, and ArbCom has just proved that. Further, I think ArbCom at this point has proven they are incapable of dealing with problems like this. They have just justified the opinions of all those who say admins are a special class of editor. They have ensconced depraved indifference for the civility policy in stone. I am, to say the least, disgusted. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's less administrators and more 'my friends' but yeah :( PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just seen this discussion, but I do share the disappointment in the way most of my colleagues (and many (most?) of those commenting) are treating the civility policy as entirely optional for someone who is provoked. If you (or anyone else reading this) have ideas how to improve things in this regard please share them. Asking strong questions at the next arb election would not be inappropriate as one example. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If I block someone for incivility, their friends will come along with the following (from my experience) -


 * 'It's not offensive in my country, so why are you getting upset about it?
 * He/She has never called anyone 'X' before! Therefor we should let them off the hook.
 * Grow a thicker skin
 * There isn't any real harassment on this site, it's all in your head


 * And my absolute favourite excuse:


 * 'WE ARE HERE TO BUILD AN ENCYCLOPEDIA! NOT BE CIVIL!'


 * To which my equally capslocked response is:


 * 'IF YOU DON'T STOP CALLING OTHER PEOPLE IDIOTS AND 'CUNTS' THEN WHO WILL BUILD THE ENCYCLOPEDIA? YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS AND NOBODY ELSE. YOU CANNOT DO THIS ON YOUR OWN.'


 * So. ArbCom. Give administrators a precedent to set their blocks for incivility by, and we'll block the heck out of anyone who pulls this. But without precedent I can choose to do nothing or turn my hobby into a circus of abuse. I know which one I'm picking - and I hate it. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 10:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I can and will try, but I can't do alone and was outvoted on this occasion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you did. Thank you. We all appreciate your efforts, we really do. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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A donated policy that paid out centuries ago has no cash value
With reference to the last edit on the Manhattan Life Insurance Company page, your reasoning for the undo being Unless they donated a policy covering coolies to the museum, they donated the profit from the venture is not accurate. The company donated the paperwork (i.e. policy documents) to the museum for historical record. No profit or cash valued contract was ever transferred making that statement and entire paragraph irrelevant. Based on the referenced articles and historical facts, The Manhattan Life Insurance Company was not sued for and was not asked to pay reparations ever that your statement insinuates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.124.222.18 (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed then! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Seriously though, I remember creating this article as a favour to someone (I can't remember why, I think it was being deleted and someone was upset? Pretty sure the company had submitted a bad draft) - it wasn't 100% positive and now you've not only threatened to sue me but we've been at this forever. Thank you for being slightly more cordial at this point but jeez louise. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:38, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! You're not so bad after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.124.222.18 (talk) 13:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

" I'm sure everyone can come to an agreement"
About Homo naledi, I think something should be mentioned about Nature not publishing. Right now I am not opposed to leaving out the word twelve. But I think the fanclub of a notable paleontoligist, or expedition members on wikipedia, or facebook support group of the fanclub or expedition members - might be unwilling to make any concessions. --Here to sway (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * - I'm going to stay uninvolved with regards to the content and discussion thereof - but if you have concerns about canvassing on or off wiki let me have a look at it and I'll put up a template. If the edit war starts up again after the protection has been lifted, I'll be happy to protect it again to keep the article stable and come to a consensus. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Update: So far it seems that the discussion is at an impasse: I have suggested one word that can be left unused, and I have asked if there is any sentence that can be worded that has three elements. The discussion might be characterised as a number of people mouthing off, relatively politely - and some might say that I am no worse or better than the others in the discussion. Here to sway (talk) 19:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for stepping in regarding the edit war yesterday. I hope you or (an)other sysop(s) can continue to monitor the situation. An RfC was started at my suggestion, but it may take additional management to let this proceed in an orderly fashion. Samsara 11:05, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Possibility for a settlement - even without anyone having changed their opinions
Hi Panyd, even though The muffin is not subtle, will you or someone consider asking the other parties in the RfC if a no-fault freeze of the RfC is acceptable? I suggest, that I will not contest - without improved references (which I have yet to see) - that there is significant opposition against saying in the article that some (or twelve) articles were rejected by Nature (or rejected by a journal). In part I now see that there has been edit warring going on in other places of the article; perhaps I would like to see that some of those situations finds some sort of equilibrium first. Another point is that I am convinced that there will be a research article in Nature about the find, within 365 days from now. Even if things might turn out so that Berger and/or expedition members are not the first ones to have research articles about the find accepted by Nature, I suspect that the team's openness about their excavations will be instrumental for others to get research article(s) about the find accepted by Nature. I speculate that the find will turn out to be, at least in part, at least one existing species. I think there is a good chance that the rejection issue might become less significant within months. "Good" peer reviews and/or "bad" peer reviews might contribute to that. Thank you. --Here to sway (talk) 01:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * - You're going to have to let the RfC play out - it's the best way to resolve the issue one way or another. A 'no-fault' freeze would simply prolong the disagreement and isn't something that we do. As for 'edit warring', nobody who isn't an administrator can edit the page - and the only involved administrator,, is not editing it and acting completely appropriately. It will end in due time, and that should be the end of it. Other admins have tweaked it slightly, but otherwise nobody has or will touch the content without consensus. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 13:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, at least I suggested a no-fault freeze - at least until new significant info and references about the rejection shows up, and that might quite possibly be never. (I am not suggesting that the rejection is not notable.) Continuing with the RfC might be the least demanding alternative. However, one might say that "No intellectual pain, no intellectual gain"? Thanks for having replied. Here to sway (talk) 15:34, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Two research article's already published at nature.com
One might consider opening the article, now that the nature.com website has published two research articles that were accepted by Nature Communications (journal), and reported by BBC yesterday. (The articles were accepted in August, according to nature.com.) Here to sway (talk) 18:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
Thank you so much! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 23:29, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Ananda Thuriya of Kanba Myint
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User talk:MenstrualCup
Seriously?? The editor has never made a single edit. It's absurd and the user name is disgusting. Are you sure you're not an Ivy League academician? Quis separabit? 15:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Their username is a separate issue. And...no? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Vandalism?
Hi! I don't know if I'm on the right talk page but since you're the one who put a protection on Lip Sync Battle Philippines, I'll seek your help. Someone with the username User:Oripaypaykim keeps on deleting episodes on some of the pages. S/he deleted the list of episodes from the Lip Sync Battle Philippines page saying that the reason is that it is a Listcruft which I find entirely not related to the page because Lip Sync Battle also have their own list of episodes.

Another one is that s/he deleted the notable episodes listed on Magpakailanman without any reason. I don't know if that removal he did is considered vandalism but I hope he stops deleting an entire list made by other editors. I just restored both in their previous versions but I'm a bit worried that I may be reverting too much. MBdemigod (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Just I said before it will entire article WP:LISTCRUFT "In general, a "list of X" stand-alone list article should only be created if X itself is a legitimate encyclopedic topic that already has its own article. The list should originate as a section within that article, and should not be broken out into a separate article until it becomes so long as to be disproportionate to the rest of the article. It is very appropriate for the article on Zoology to include a list of important zoologists within it, and for the article on the fictional series character Rick Brant to include a list of the Rick Brant books." that the list of episodes are been the information I just moving on the article to seperate the list of episodes. I do not vandalism that include the List of Lip Sync Battle Philippines episodes are sequel, for the example List of Lip Sync Battle episodes. Oripaypaykim (talk) 07:20, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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Cuprinol
Hi, you appear to have deleted Cuprinol without any warning. "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" seems strong. Could you restore the article so that I can work on it? I'd be happy to work on it in my sandbox if need be. Thanks. Cloudbound (talk) 18:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, it's now at User:Cloudbound/Cuprinol. My apologies for no heads up given that you were the last editor on the article. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:00, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you. Cloudbound (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Would enwiki benefit from having me as an admin?
Hi Panyd,

After our discussion this week, I'd like your opinion on whether I'd be able to serve the project well if I were to spend a few hours a week admin-gnoming, and whether you think I'd be able to pass an RfA, based on my conduct and contributions.

Thanks --Slashme (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * t/p/s. Hi . Take a look at this. Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll‎. Put your name up. You will get excellent feedback on your chances. From a quick look, you would be a strong candidate. Cheers! Simon. Irondome (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's exactly where I should go. --Slashme (talk) 08:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I concur! I think you'd be excellent and as I said, anyone willing to spend even 3 hours clearing up admin-background bits a week should be welcomed. I know most admins can't make it a full-time second job and it really does help content editors. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you both! As it happens, the feedback that I got there was that my performance at AfD isn't really strong enough, both in terms of stats and quality of comments, that my content creation track record isn't that great, and that my level of activity is not really high enough, so if I'm serious about becoming an admin, I should probably take a year where I demonstrate better skills. --Slashme (talk) 11:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been watching that. I highly disagree with the content argument, but the CSD point was a good one. You don't get the mop to write content. You get the mop to clean up spills. I find this weird fetishisation of content creation when there are numerous tasks on this site that don't involve it but are just as important infuriating. So yes to diving more into CSD, but no to the content argument. (Or that's my opinion looking at the feedback anyway) PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:37, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * - thank you very much for the notice. It is my understanding that the file in question is no longer eligible for copyright. Given that the warning says I have used the copyright license, could you please let me know where an error has occurred? Thank you. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * To determine the copyright status, we would need some information on who the photographer was and when/where the photo was originally published. Kelly  hi! 08:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As you'll see in the linked article, the gentleman died in 1937. Surely this doesn't apply? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:09, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If published after 1923, it could still be under copyright. We need to cite the source of the photo to make that determination. Kelly  hi! 08:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Aha! Thank you. Although I'll be damned if whoever took that picture is alive to write to OTRS. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 10:54, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * We wouldn't need anything like that if we could tell if either 1) it was published without a copyright notice or 2) the copyright was not renewed. Kelly  hi! 11:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

CSD of my Cluebot archives
Thanks for the info Panyd, sorry, I should've made it clear that all the dated archives were moved here before requesting G1- it's as per this conversation. Cheers, Muffled Pocketed  14:10, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh, gotcha. Can do them if you stick it up again w/ links to the new spaces. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I've done em again with links. Muffled Pocketed  14:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - Yeah, I've just checked. This page appears to be missing data from this page (if nothing else the utterly delightful editor telling you to 'Go Stuff Yourself' is gone). Am I being dense? Because I've been known to be dense. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you were dead right- I must've missed out the whole section. I've inserted it where it belongs (it was a week's worth). No density today! Muffled Pocketed  14:31, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - Done! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for that, sorry it took a while to get straight! Muffled Pocketed  14:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)