User talk:Paolo Liberatore~enwiki/Archive1

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Hello #2
I saw your edits on classical logic, and I'm pleased to see that someone is tackling all of these knowledge representation topics. Is there any chance you might be interested in the Frame problem article, which is currently in a very inadequate state?

And welcome to Wikipedia! --- Charles Stewart 20:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I am interested, indeed; I will do something for that article soon. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 11:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Great. I guess we'll be seeing quite a bit of each other here on WP... --- Charles Stewart 13:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Animatec
Paolo, thank you for your helpful comment in the discussion of Articles for deletion/Animatec. You are right. It isn't a good fit under CSD8, but I thought something should be mentioned about the copyright issue and your comment helped clarify the policy regarding copyrighted material. Walter Siegmund 01:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Chindia
Hi, I noticed that the above article was on afd - I've expanded it. Can you have a look and let me know if it is ok? --Gurubrahma 04:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is a good stub now. Can be expanded, but it is no more a dictionary definition. I'm going to change my vote. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 09:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

History of Chatham Islands numismatics
Thank you, Paolo, for changing your vote in favour of keeping my Chatham Islands numismatic article on Wikipedia. I am hoping that the numismatic community takes a look on the Internet.I have left messages at the following Internet numismatic communities;

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& [] (Aidan Work 06:18, 9 November 2005 (UTC))

Nice turn of phrase
"a hidden unplayable character deserves a hidden unreadable article."

Just wanted to give you props for that line. Well done. → Ξxtreme Unction { yak yak yak ł blah blah blah }


 * Thanks! Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 13:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite of ACQ-Kingdom Broadcasting Network
Hi! As per AfD suggestions, I rewrote the ACQ-Kingdom Broadcasting Network article. Since you voted there, I thought you'd like to know. --William Pietri 03:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know! That is an excellent rewrite. However, I am not so much convinced that this TV station is notable enough: more precisely, I think it is at the borderline between notable and non-notable. I mean, I am undecided about this one. Therefore, I have removed my delete vote, but have not replaced it with a keep. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 13:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words. I figured transmitters in 30 cities and global satellite distribution made it notable. Of course, not being Phillipino or religious, perhaps I'm erring on side of caution. What more would you have liked to see? --William Pietri 16:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Good question. I assumed that a notable TV station would have more Internet presence to begin with, and the fact that the local newspaper mentions it so few times is also another point against notability. In Italy, we have some local stations that only broadcast telemarketing programs during the day and advertisement for phone sex numbers during the night. Regardless of the number of stations these channels may have, I will always vote delete if an articles on one of them even appears here. My no vote is due to the fact that I am not from the area, and I have not seen any other editor from the area assessing the notability of the channel. I just do not feel sure about the issue. If the initial AfD was for the current version of the article, I would have not voted at all. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 16:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point. I don't think I ever would have created the article on my own, and I may eventually merge it into an article on Apollo Quiboloy, who seems to be the real notable topic. --William Pietri 19:17, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, if an article on Quiboloy is eventually created, this one can be merged to it. As you correctly pointed out, the TV channel is just one of the many creations of this guy. We can safely assume that the viewers of this channel are all followers (or end up being followers) of Quiboloy. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 12:54, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Paulo Just wanted to say thanks for the reversion on my user page. That kind of childish vandalism is never welcome and I'm grateful you spotted it quickly and dealt with it. Eddie.willers 13:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:User en-0
The talk page is the appropriate place. There should have been at least one Admin keeping an eye in the suggested changes, since the template is protected. Sorry about that, sometimes things don't quite work as it would be ideal. I'm on to it now, though. You did the right thing. In cases like this, the easiest way to get things done is just contact an admin directly. Thanks. Redux 15:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the advice. The Half Gauntlet 23:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion

 * (a message I left on Abstrakt's talk page):
 * Hi. I have seen some of the articles you recently nominated for deletion. I appreciate you efforts in trying to keep some non-encyclopedic stuff out of wikipedia. However, there are some standards that are currently agreed upon (for example, every town deserves an article, apparently). I suggest taking a look at Deletion_policy and especially Articles for deletion/Precedents. Not that I agree with everything that is in these pages, but going counter established precedents proves useless. - Liberatore(T) 20:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah thanks for the advice, but is this all about me nominating that one town? Yes I'm not a newbie and I've been on wikipedia for well over a year now and I'm quite familar with Articles for deletion/Precedents. I know you were alarmed for some reason for by me nominating that one town, if it offended you for whatever reason, then I apologize. As for the advice, yeah I won't nominate towns then in the future....

Abstrakt 18:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * (a message I left on Abstrakt's talk page):
 * You didn't offend me at all! Nor I am alarmed for anything (I do not care much about the existence of an article on Biancavilla in Wikipedia, but it was evident to me that this artice was about to be kept). My apologize if I offended you with my suggestion, but that was just mean to be that - a suggestion. For the record, the articles for deletion that made me think you were not aware of AfD conventions were Articles for deletion/List of Favelas of Brazil (you didn't explain why this list is useless), Articles for deletion/Lovari (musicians are usually nominated by stating that they do not meet WP:MUSIC), and said Articles for deletion/Biancavilla (articles on suburbs may be deleted, but articles on towns are never). - Liberatore(T) 19:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It seemed like such a small list as Articles for deletion/List of Favelas of Brazil was unnecessary as it was a small list with half of the links being red. Such a list could of been included in the main article on favelas. Abstrakt 19:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Fauna of Maine
I took a shot at making the above article into a presentable stub that could be park of a bigger project someday. Take a look and see what you think. Cheers. Youngamerican 18:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Now it's a good stub. I have changed my vote from delete to keep. - Liberatore(T) 18:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Joshua Gardner
Not at all; that's the best place for it. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to give you a friendly word after reading all the biting on Talk:Joshua_Gardner. The "Funny ha ha / funny peculiar" is a very, very common ambiguity, and as soon as you'd disambiguated your meaning, no-one should have attacked you for it. Guess some people will use any weapon to win their arguments, tho. Anyway, happy editing, JackyR 01:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

from jayanthv
thanx,i dont know wat a admin does anyway.but please dont block me.--Jayanthv86 14:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Answer on User talk:Jayanthv86: I have seen you have left that message to many other users. I can probably respond for all: we are merely saying that you are not ready for being an administrator, not that you did something forbidden. - Liberatore(T) 15:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanx a lot,I am sorry once again for wasting your time.

Concerning AfD
I did what I thought was right, with the wrong tools and for all the wrong reasons. As the anon claimed in a copy of the template before Stifle moved it to the bottom of the discussion, I read the cry to make a calm plea to keep the article, along with the several following posts that went "hang on, according to their policies, we don't belong there yet", and interpreted it as attempt to meatpuppet-spam the vote.

Long story short, I think I need a time out. -- Saberwyn 23:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Please accept my embarrassingly belated thank you for supporting my RfA, which much to my surprise passed 102/1/1, earning me minor notoriety. I am grateful for all the supportive comments, and have already started doing the things poeple wanted me to be able to do. And hopefully nothing else... Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 12:01, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

mikecucuk
In regards to the whole "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" policy, I have told the viewers in the article about the future schedule of the musical, and that the production of it is already in progress. This is no way, shape, or form, speculation whatsoever. Nor is it advertising, because I would've listed ticket prices and would have excluded the plot summary and the extras that go along with the information regarding the future musical. What would at least been expected was someone to say "edit it so that it will conform more with the Wikipedia policies", instead of assuming the worst case scenario and short-cutting the process for immediation deletion. By the time you are reading this, I will already be editing the article so that it will conform more with the policies that Wikipedia has set in place. Other points of me to consider are:

- I am in no way prejudiced toward the color of any person in America. - I am in no way making any of the information in the article up. I have talked with the Community Theater about their policies on showcasing new plays/musicals, and we reached the conclusion that it was okay for new plays to be introduced into the program. - I have already sited sources for the verifiability for the other half of the article (Characters, Musical Numbers, etc.) so that it will conform more with the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. - I am in no way, shape, or form, a sockpuppet/reincarnation of a previous banned user.

With this, I leave this article to the wisdom of the impartial administrators, not the biased views of frequenting guests. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Welcome message
Kindly see my response to your recent message on my talk page. Thanks. --Bhadani 14:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Lou_montulli2.gif
Thanks for uploading Image:Lou_montulli2.gif. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images on Wikipedia is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this:.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. You can get help on image copyright tagging from Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. -- Carnildo 11:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC) Note: the previous post is by 11:14, 1 February 2006


 * Thank you for your message. I uploaded other images in the past using copyright tags, but used the template this time in the (incorrect) assumption that the sentence in it "An experienced editor should help the uploader determine the status of this work" means that someone would have helped with this particular image, not that I would have received a form message. This photo is probably just not worthy any further investigation: delete it. - Liberatore(T) 11:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Message from Cla68
I understand not using text from other websites for the Royama entry. I'll rewrite it in my own words. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cla68 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Answer on your talk page. - Liberatore(T) 16:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to delete the copyrighted Royama text since it has been "quarantined." If you want to delete it completely I'll start over again on the Royama entry.

Sir Dorabji Tata and Allied Trusts
Yes, it is copied. I will be working on writing my own version using the external site link as a basis sometime in the next week.Pizzadeliveryboy 13:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Cross site cooking
hi!

Should I respond on your talk or mine? I am not so familiar with wiki.

Using Alice and Bob naming standard, Alice being nice client, Bob being nice server, Mallory being mallicious server/client/whatever.

Cookie theft is a big subject and discusses a number of different ways to steal cookies. Steal = find out the value of the cookie. They all have this characteristic:
 * Alice is talking to Bob, and they share a cookie
 * Mallory is trying to steal the cookie (by some means)

Cross site cooking is much more narrow and is completely different:
 * Alice is talking to Bob, and they share a cookie (e.g. Cookie: A=1)
 * Alice is talking to Mallory
 * Mallory is confusing Alice, making her think she shares another cookie with Bob (e.g. Cookie: A=2)

Also similar to Cookie poisoning:
 * Mallory is talking to Bob, and they share a Cookie (e.g. Cookie: A=1)
 * Mallory is lying to Bob, claiming they share another cookie (e.g. Cookie: A=2)

Does this clarify?


 * Hey, the pictures looks great!!


 * Blaufish 19:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Quarl
Hi Paolo, thanks for your support in my RFA, which succeeded. If I can ever improve or help in any way, please let me know! :) —Quarl (talk) 2006-02-16 11:43Z 

My RfA
Hi. On behalf of my right eye, I'd like to thank you for giving me your support on my recent RfA. It ended with a final tally of (73/2/2) and therefore I have been installed as an administrator now, and I'm ready to serve Wikipedians all over the world with my newly acquired mop and bucket. If you have any questions, do not hestitate to forward them to my talkpage. Once again, thanks for your support.  Soothing R  20:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Computer science
Hi! Just wanted to welcome you to WikiProject Computer science. Looking forward to collaborating with you in the future. --Allan McInnes (talk) 02:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for your support of my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA ultimately succeeded with a final consensus of 52/1/0, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any comments regarding my editing, or I can help you at any point in the future, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you! └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource request
I saw you have a wikisource account (from RFA). Please add the Human Rights Watch report on Chad to Chadian-Sudanese conflict and the UFDC rebel communiqué to United Front for Democratic Change. Thanks. KI 21:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for your help on article deletion. Crinoidgirl 15:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
With apologies for the impersonal AWB-ness of the message... Thanks for your support on my recent request for adminship. It passed at 91/1/0, and I hope I can continue to deserve the community's trust. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you, and if I make a mistake be sure to tell me. My talk page is always open. (ESkog)(Talk) 02:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia 20:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations from myself as well. Unanimous promotion on a self-nomination is both rare and impressive. Best of luck to you. — Feb. 28, '06 [21:09] 


 * Congratulations, there is no oppose that's great. Good luck--Ugur Basak 12:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulazioni!! Mushroom (Talk) 12:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, I am glad you made it. I took the liberty of adding the pic you have sent me to my user page. Hope this is ok with you. I will refresh these pic every now and then. Good luck! gidonb 12:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! A perfect score! -- S iva1979 Talk to me  14:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, especially on the unaopposed, and good luck.-- Dakota  ~   °  15:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats. —Ruud 16:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, and congratulations! Jayjg (talk) 18:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations —Quarl (talk) 2006-03-02 02:39Z 

Why were Bisexual RIghts Activists deleted?
So far we notice the following people have definitely been erased: Luigi Ferrer, Wendy Curry, Gary B. North & Margaret Rood. CyntWorkStuff 19:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Answer on your talk page. - Liberatore(T) 19:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Speedy Deletion"? How? Why? where to find? etc. - Thank you CyntWorkStuff
 * I'm writing the answer on your talk page. I want to make everything straight, so it may take some time. - Liberatore(T) 19:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * First, thank you for taking your time to help us on this.


 * Please be aware that because we are new to this we do try to look up and carefully follow all rules, etc. To this end we note that under Alternative tests that an item is: Google Test -- Does the subject get lots of distinguishable hits on Google or another well known search mechanism?


 * Using the name Luigi Ferrer specifically mentioned by Ciphergoth we find many pages mentioning him in conjunction with his work both as a well-known activist & author for the cause of bisexual rights as well as in the field of AIDS/LGBT Health-related issues especially as it relates to minority (particularly Spanish speaking) communities in the US.


 * Additionally, we seem to be in a bit of a Catch-22 situation here. In the US, Bisexual people are frequently marginalized, even within the larger LGBT community.  And that can be even more so for women & minority peoples.  So when you are working to start to correct this invisibility factor of certain historically under-represented groups, it is confusing and disheartening to be told that you cannot do that because they had not preciously been acknowledged.


 * We also wonder, did this happen because we had just put in the stubbs and hadn't had time to flesh them out yet? Is there a time limit on updates that we were unaware of?  We did notice that the one we had started to put in the additional information on were not removed.  CyntWorkStuff


 * Please excuse the Bio Stubs for Bisexual Activist's for not being more complete at the time they were first put in. We did not know we were not to do that.  The reason is we have a division of labour here.  We have some people who write & fact-check & others (like me) who are more computer literate actually formating & posting the data.


 * Having found that here, as in many other facets of life, that the bisexual community is either dismissed, invisible, written out of the story or our accomplishments incorrectly attributed to others, we have launched a concerted effort to correct the situation.


 * This is just a partial and hastily thrown together CV. Note that Mr. Ferrer is the current President of, on the Board of and the past director of the three largest non-profit bisexual rights organizations in the USA in addition to being a bilingual (English/Spanish) Healthcare specialist.


 * Luigi Ferrer: A nationally recognized AIDS activist and Healthcare Consultant as well as an internationally known leader of the Bisexual Community
 * past president of both the South Florida Bisexual Network and the AIDS Action Council
 * past Executive Director of the Body Positive Resource Center (Miami)
 * served on the boards of Lambda Community Center and the Gay and Lesbian Community Center (Miami)
 * former board member of the National Association of People With AIDS
 * past Director Bisexual Foundation
 * 13th Annual Heritage of Pride - Ft. Lauderdale January 22, 2000 - Thanks to speakers Deb Kolodny, Luigi Ferrer, Kris Roehling and Michael Page, history was made in the city of Ft. Lauderdale. This was the very first time the bisexuals have been premiered in any (previously named) gay/lesbian event. To our credit, all future events will be named GLBT events.
 * Keynote speaker at the 8th International Conference on Bisexuality (Minneapolis 2004)
 * Current President of BiNet USA,
 * Current Board Member of the Bisexual Resource Center (BRC) in Boston.
 * Current Editorial Board Member - The Haworth Press, Inc.
 * Author of the chapter "Counseling Bisexual Latinos: A minority within a minority," to be published in Dr. Beth Firestein's new book, "Becoming Visible: Counseling Bisexuals Throughout Their Lifespan". CyntWorkStuff


 * Thank you. We just wanted to make sure we did this all properly and did not get into some sort of Edit War, etc.  One stumbling block we discovered is that one of the commentators on the matter Ciphergoth, who did properly identify himself as having familiarity with the topic, is actually a resident of the UK and these people/organizations are important in the USA.  In hindsight, an obvious difference.


 * One thing we are still very confused about though is why there was no notification and/or discussion. One quick note to my talk page would have enabled all of this to have been cleared up in a less rushed and confused way.


 * How do we make sure notification of a possible pending deletion gets to us prior to the event next time?


 * PS These people are big-shots and get quoted and/or mentioned in passing lots of media pieces.  We only have to include links to the major pieces, correct? CyntWorkStuff

Patty Jo Watson
Paolo, thank you for your collaboration with me on the article, including a "speedy deletion" tag, acceptance of my defense, and helpful suggestion. I plan to continue improving the article. (I am a cave explorer with some familiarity with the substance of Watson's contribution, but not an archaeologist myself, so I will have to research carefully so that what I say is accurate and verifiable.) Alan Canon 21:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Flawed Perfection
Liberatore? What if my band records a cd and sells copies to every1 in my town but not on a label? Can they be recognized? Unknownica 21:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Wm2
Wm2 has been proposed for deletion. Please see the article for details. NickelShoe 05:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You can use Template:PRODWarning or Template:polite-prod. I like PRODWarning better, more helpful to newbies. NickelShoe 13:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Flawed Perfection
Thanks and you will see us on wikipedia and we will have our own website after high school most likely.

Wm2
Thanks for letting me know that you removed the prod. I don't think it needs to go to AfD, considering the books you cited. The article itself does have some issues, it needs to be filled out and balanced, so I left tags accordingly. --Hetar 18:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

USS Greenbrier River (LCM(R)-507)
Instead of deleting an article, you might want to take the time to actually help enlarge it. Wikipedia is a world community project, and while the letter of the rule may have been inviolation (and that is open for discussion), the spirit was not. There are goups of us that work on items in Wikipedia from a category stand point. This category was one we were working on, when you deleted the article the rest of the group missed it. I would suggest in the future you take the trouble to contact other wikipedians listed in the history and ask them if they are done before deleting an article. Thanks --71Demon 18:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a problem with Wikipedian's, it is easier to delete an article that has very little in it, instead of doing the right thing which is to fill out the article. While I understand your reasoning, I do not agree with it. My opinion deleting rudementary articles hurts more than it helps. I would suggest before deleting an article contact the person that started it and ask if they are planning on adding additional information. --71Demon 19:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

X Window System articles
Thanks for your excellent work in this area, and on scoring another feature. And on making the protocols and architecture article not rubbish as it was when I first split it off from X Window System ;-) I occasionally try to fill out X Window System stuff, but there's so much to cover, historically as well ... at the moment I'm trying to find an actual standalone X Terminal, or at least a photo of one, so I can write an article on the rise and fall of the X Terminal ... - David Gerard 13:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Murray Curnow
Please contact me asap regarding the proposed deletion of an article written by myself. My main concern is that because you do not have knowledge of the life and works of Mr Curnow, you think the article is some sort of hoax. I must insist that you are mistaken and I hope you will redirect your concerns to me. If I do not hear from you directly, I will assume the aritcle has been verified as true and will remain on wikipedia. In addition, I would ask you to consider whether or not you can really justify the deletion of any article simply because you do not recognise it as knowledge.


 * In order for the article to stay, it is required to have sources (among other things), according to WP:V and WP:RS (also relevant is WP:BIO). In this case, the article was proposed for deletion because it contained no reference itself and I didn't find any. What you can do is edit the article to include these sources. - Liberatore(T) 17:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious man? I'm the source. I know everything there is to know about this guy. I'm writing his biography! Listen, I don't mean to sound angry, I just can't understand why that article was deleted. Please get back to me.

Are you for real? I confirm that my article meets those criteria. Give the article time and you will get other Murray Curnow enthusiasts adding bits. I think you may be being pedantic about this.


 * Answer on your talk page. - Liberatore(T) 18:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hyphens & Ndashes
JA: It is standard to use ndashes for names of theorems, etc. that refer to two or more people. See discussion on the math project page. Thanks, Jon Awbrey 14:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks!
Hi Paolo! Thank you for supporting my RfA. It passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, please drop me a line. Cheers! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 20:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:Afd top
Hi. While commenting on your proposed changes, I found out that, according to the text at the top of MediaWiki:Monobook.css and MediaWiki:Common.css, changes to these pages should be proposed on the village pump. Should we move the discussion back to the village pump rather than on WT:AFD? - Liberatore(T) 14:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I added a link to the discussion to the previous discussion on the Village Pump. The discussion does not have to be on the Village Pump, it only needs to be announced there. --cesarb 16:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)