User talk:Paper9oll/Archive 1

October 2013
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on 2013 Mnet Asian Music Awards. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Sni56996 (talk) 15:56, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Paper9oll/InfoHead


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December 2013
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:GGYoona.png


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Copyright violations
You cannot use non-free logos on your user pages. They can only be used (with a strong rationale) on article pages. You were using the Running Man logo on that page as well as the Generation Girls' logo. The one that you uploaded was a clear copyright violation. You said "I made this in Photoshop," but it's clearly a copy of the logos that already exist. Even if you did make that by hand, it would be deleted as a derivative work. Please do not upload or use such images on your user pages in the future. only (talk) 12:35, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * K, I CLAP FOR YOU next time please have CONCRETE EVIDENCE yes CONCRETE before saying i copyright Paper9oll Talk:(Paper9oll) 12:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, sure. Here's evidence that the latest GG logo you uploaded and said you created in Photoshop is available in many places.  Here's evidence that the GGYoona.png logo you uploaded is a violation.  And all you need to do is read the page of File:RunningMan.jpg to see that its use on your user pages is not allowed and is a violation of copyright.  This is the concrete evidence behind it.  only (talk) 12:57, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, the SONE i agree but why not runningman one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paper9oll (talk • contribs)
 * You cannot use copyrighted logos in user pages.  They can only be used on article pages with a strong rationale explaining why they are being used.  See UP for an explanation of why they cannot be on user pages.  only (talk) 13:08, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay i understand now

Speedy deletion nomination of Auslogics


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Proposed deletion of Ko Woo-ri


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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/List of Infinite Challenge Episodes concern
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Korail Class 210000 discussion
WP:TALKO says,

"The basic rule is to not edit or delete others' posts without their permission."

You can delete this talk. Sawol (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Sawol, if the user is registered I would have asked him/her but no the user is not registered. Don't believe me you can go back and check, an IP address means the users is unregistered. References to unregistered users information page.

Seoul Metro 3000 series (Chopper Control) moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Seoul Metro 3000 series (Chopper Control), does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Mccapra (talk) 12:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mccapra the mentioned was translated from Korean wikipedia, the Korean article does not have any reliable sources hence that is the reason why the English translated version does not any either. I feel that the page should remain as published so others user can add the sources if they found any reliable ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paper9oll (talk • contribs) 12:40, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Auslogics for deletion
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Sunny
Hi there, just wanted to explain a little further why I reverted your wdit to Sunny (singer) as I didn't think the edit summary was the right place for the link. The editor added an archived link for the source provided, and corrected the information to coinside with what that source actually stated. Lee Soon-gyu was actually what the article stated, until an IP editor changed it on June 9, 2020 without any explanation as to why. With that, I don't see how the edit you reverted can be considered as vandalism. Alex (talk) 18:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

If the source is to be removed altogether for reliablity concerns then I would trust your judgement on that as I don't know how reliable it is, but your removal considering it as vandalism doesn't seem correct. Alex (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * – My apologies as I didn't know (in fact I didn't check further, only between the latest revision and older 2 revision) the IP editor changed it. And yes I reverted it because the source is not reliablity and not verifiable and also because her name already have reliable government source (the one inside infobox) to support claims, the only different is that it's changed to hyphen-style as most Korean name are that style (I think you know what I mean). Hence, if you're okay with it, I would like to revert back again to list it as Soon-kyu rather Soon-gyu unless there's reliable and verify source to support the claim. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 04:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

MOMOLAND
Hello. I am sorry I am not really good at coding or editing here on wikipedia. I just have a favor to ask. Could you please update MOMOLAND's info? I will pinpoint some information that needs to be updated. I tried to edit the information earlier but I kept on messing up.

1st: They were also nominated for a "Bonsang Award" on "Seoul Music Awards" in 2017.

2nd: The Gaon Chart Music Awards should have a separate category as it is one of the biggest award shows in Korea.

3rd: MOMOLAND also won another award "Celebrity Artist Award (Girl Group) on the 26th Korea Entertainment Awards this 2020.

4th: MOMOLAND is now signed with Sony Music Entertainment and US label ICM Partners.

I would really appreciate your help to update MOMOLAND's wikipedia profile. Thank you.

Running Man
Hi! I am just curious – you checked my edit of Running Man (TV series) about Taiwan's controversy and with your first edit you tidied it up, made improvements, fixed referencing, etc. But then a couple of minutes later you made a second edit with which you deleted all the contribution you made. I have no complains with what you did, maybe my contribution was indeed irrelevant (although it appeared on major news portals), but I am puzzled why you spent time fixing everything before deleting it completely. Is there a reason for that? Thank you! --LinasD (talk) 08:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Momoland (follow up)
Hi! Thanks for getting back to me and for editing MOMOLAND's wikipedia. If you don't mind, could I please ask for one last favor? Apparently, someone made an edit a few hours ago and the "Best Dance Track (Female)" from Genie Music Awards in 2018 changed from Won to Nominated. They won in that category. Also, regarding the Sony Music Entertainment, there's no news about it but you may check the information on their recent music video or the different Sony Music pages  Thank you so much again! Really appreciate your help!

Please don't revert edits to images if you're unfamiliar with the guidelines
For further reference, despite the fact I've quoted as such to you on my talk page and on the article, see WP:IMAGERES, and more specifically Template:Infobox album. "300px is a common choice for square album covers". WP:IUP also states in as many words that the PNG file format should be used on Wikipedia for constructed digital artworks that are non-photographic or not entirely photographic. The EP cover is a drawing based on a photograph and has text elements at the top, so PNG is the preferred file format for this. Your revert is based on concerns that nobody else has on Wikipedia. Please don't revert again or I will take this further. Thank you.  Ss  112   10:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding a wikitable as a placeholder for future charts
For the record, this is not common practice. You pointed out in your edit summary earlier that Taeyeon's other album articles have this. No, they have Charts sections with actual chart positions in a wikitable because they have long since been released, gone through their promotional cycles and charted where they were going to chart. They didn't have placeholder wikitables on the article before they charted. For example, GirlsSpkOut was released last month in Japan—there was no placeholder wikitable sitting on that article in expectation that Taeyeon would chart. Of course, it's more than likely she will chart with this EP in Korea given her stature there, but putting such charts in a wikitable can be seen as a violation of WP:CRYSTAL because it's expecting something will happen when there's never a 100% guarantee of things like this. It's presumably for other editors' benefit, but it's not benefiting anybody as far as we know. You're also expecting that anybody will or would use the placeholder formatting you have provided. I will add the chart position for this EP next week after it's announced, and I will not use your formatting like this, so it is therefore useless. I don't need a placeholder there for something I'm almost guaranteed to do, so there is no reason to restore it. Thanks.  Ss  112   13:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok noted, please remove WP:CRYSTAL from Taeyeon discography as well because it also violating it. Big thanks I forgot that you're senior and I'm newbie, you're more knowledgable and I'm going around "vandalising" for not knowing the obvious. Only your is work is consider contributing but not other works. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 13:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Btw, "You're also expecting that anybody will or would use the placeholder formatting you have provided" No, I'm not and not sure what you meant by USELESS when it's standard template similar to other Taeyeon's EP/Album articles and I have been doing that for years and months with no issues. Oh ya, I forgot again I'm NEWBIE self-proclaimed by you, only your edits (contributions) is worthy while others contributions is consider unworthy and USELESS. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 13:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop being hyperbolic. I never claimed you were vandalising, and I don't think you were or are. I don't throw that word around lightly. I also never said or implied that only my edits are valid. I did not say all your contributions to Wikipedia are "useless", I said the table you insisted on adding is because in a regular circumstance, there's no guarantee another editor would want to use this formatting layout. I also didn't call you a newbie. I said your regular edits to en.wiki appear to be relatively recent (you only really picked up the pace of contributing to en.wiki in August of this year), so you may not know all the ins and outs. That's all.  Ss  112   13:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * If so, please enlighten me (because I'm very confused) on how my table formatting is useless when I have been using it in all of my recent and older edits without major issues (no admin or other users have pointed out to me it's wrong formatting) and is within WP:DTT and Help:Table guidelines? (I know there's another table formatting which uses double pipe || but both formatting is consider acceptable within the 2 mentioned guidelines). – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 13:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I did not say you formatted the table incorrectly. I'm saying that, for example, in a regular circumstance (i.e. not in this one, where I have said I will add the chart of my own accord, and I don't need a placeholder table to help me out—it's no hassle, as I've added tens of thousands of the things), a user may choose to use the Template:Album chart entry for South Korea instead of a manual citation. We would also have plainrowheaders defined in the type of wikitable it is; as a wikitable, it now requires a caption per Wikipedia's accessibility guidelines; as well as the differences between capitalisation of "South Korean Albums", and we don't use the plural of the column heading "Chart". Even if you were to do all of that, there is still no reason to have the table up as a placeholder or predictor of how users wishing to add chart information should be formatting their entries or that they even need to adapt it around what you have provided. That is all. This discussion has worn out its usefulness, it is increasingly antagonistic in tone, and I will not be replying any further. I also do not wish to have you bring this up with me at any other venue either. There is nothing left to say as far as I'm concerned. Thank you.  Ss  112   14:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Add more awards
You should add more awards because blackpink win more awards like boom boom awards and win award with laday gaga and ytd they won2 awards more — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.37.140.122 (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Your requests
I was reading your and other's comments on Permission page. I am sorry for you that your request was rejected. I am not sure if you are aware of WP:RW or not but I suggest you should try it out. It is even mentioned on the top of the page Rollback. I find RW faster and easier to use than twinkle. saves time. I have even disabled twinkle on diff and contribution page, as RW handles the same even better. --Walrus Ji (talk) 17:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the suggestion. I will read about it. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 07:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , You are welcome. Since I have been using the tool for a few days now. I could answer some Q if you have it. Walrus Ji (talk) 07:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Warning levels
Hi Paper9oll, I noticed that you gave a level 4 warning to this user for their first edit. You should give a level 1 warning and go up from there in your future edits. Thank you  EN  - Jungwon  14:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Warning level (reply to you comment)
I am only telling this to you cause I saw that your Request for Rollback got declined and the chances of you getting it will decrease if you insufficiently warn user. Best of luck on getting Rollback rights. Happy editing. EN - Jungwon  07:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I selected that because level 1-3, the description doesn't match what I wanted. As in, the template are like information tone instead of warning tone. I keep in mind for future warning. Paper9oll

List of Best-selling singles edit request
Hi There, Thanks for your answers. Since I am new here (less than 4 days and have no editing experience) and unfamiliar with how it works around here, can I kindly request your support with editing this page List of Best-selling singles. Under Best-selling digital singles, Singer - Xiao Zhan's song "光点 (Spotlight)" current stands at the sales of 33 Million which is an outdated information. Currently, the actual sales stand at 46.3 Million. I also asked for help on the Talk page but not sure how it works or if anyone will even help update. Ref: http://y.saoju.net/szzj/album/367/ Thanks. --Khinny1110 (talk) 10:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Reason please
Hello. I am Mr. Master of Editor. You told that my edits to Mushfiqur Rahim was not constructive. I am sorry but you have to tell me the reason why it is not constructive. I am going to write it again. Sorry but you cannnot delete informations like these without giving accurate reasons. Thank you. Mr. Master of Editor (talk) 06:01, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * What is your problem? I have given accurate sources. And your reasons was not clear at all! This not vandalism. Sorry to say but you are vandalising Wikipedia and you are making it suck! Mr. Master of Editor (talk) 06:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Your edit was not constructive as you included Mr. Dependable into nickname. You can change the birth date if you want to but if you continue to add Mr. Dependable without providing reliable source then your edit would be revert and reported to administrators for further actions to be taken. –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  06:11, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay. Thank you. Next time, I will provide sources for nicknames. But can you tell me how can I provide sources for nicknames?


 * Just search for them, the source you provided have to meet reliable source requirements/guidelines. If no reliable source exists, you should not include them in Wikipedia. –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  07:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

BLACKPINK award updates
Hello, i have prepared a "Word" file with a source links for awards and listicles that were not added yet. I would like to know your Email to provide you this collected information, to be reviewed and if it suits all requirements, to be added to all other awards and listicles. Also if some of them are not suitible to be added i would like to know a detailed explanation on every single subject to avoid it in the future. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITIRIKBP (talk • contribs) 00:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, if you're unsure about whether the award have any notability. You can open discussion on Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Blackpink or/and on WT:KO so that everyone can give their take on the award notability, this would ensure there's consensus which would in turn means if the award is notable then other editors (at least those that have knowledge on the discussion topic) won't remove it else I myself approving is useless as other editors would still remove it because there's no consensus.


 * Just post the award you would like to add in the discussion in the either list format or in table format with reliable source(s) provided. If you're ensure on how to create list or table, see Help:List or Help:Table respectively. –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  04:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

BLACKPINK Updates of Awards, Listicles.
Hello again, I have opened discussion on Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Blackpink, I have posted my lists out there. But there was one Chinese (Mid importance) award I was not able to add because the article came from Weibo, as this chinese site is in the blacklist of wikipedia for some reason, so because of that I still would like to provide information about that award on some other platform of you choosing,cso that we could see what is possible to do about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITIRIKBP (talk • contribs) 14:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

BLACKPINK award updates
Asian Pop Music Awards (Importance "Mid") Best Album (Overseas) „The Album“ Best Group (Overseas) „BLACKPINK“

http://www.takungpao.com/life/238148/2020/1208/529613.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITIRIKBP (talk • contribs) 14:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Not notable enough, major search engine returns only 1 source. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 15:29, 28 December 2020 (UTC) Yep. D🎅ggy54321 (ho-ho-ho) 15:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

There are many sources not one, but they are on weibo and for my understanding weibo is the biggest chinese site, but it is via blacklist so i cant enter the links from that site — Preceding unsigned comment added by ITIRIKBP (talk • contribs) 17:07, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * That is still consider 1 source, Weibo is blocked by Wikipeda hence you can't include them even though the source exists. Nevertheless, the award ceremony is also not notable enough, I'm pretty such I'm not the only one disagreeing on this. Oh btw, I noticed that you always forgot to sign off, next time just type 4 of this "~" without quotations. Cheers! –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  04:40, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't understand how you can consider one of the biggest award ceremony in Asia to be not notible enought, "it is a joke", Awards like Apan, Melon, Gennie... are not even close to the importance of the Asian Pop Music Awards "MID"(Subject is well recognised within its field or its country of origin) unlike many others considered as "Low" (Subject is notable in its field, but not highly regarded. These may be little known to most people.). "~"


 * Nope it isn't one of the biggest award ceremony in Asia (btw, I'm from Singapore), since there is only 1 article writing about it when you search on 3 major search engines (Google/Bing/Duckduckgo). If it's biggest like you said then major news outlets would be writing about it, and there wouldn't be just a 1 article when searching on major search engines. Furthermore, the 1 article is not reliable source hence can't be used. I'm pretty sure, I'm not the only one disagreeing on it since 3 other Wikipedians also agree that the award is not notable enough as per the discussion you opened on Blackpink awards and nominations talk page.


 * Btw, in case you're not aware Korean-related articles in English Wikipedia prefer Korean-language sources instead of English-language sources. English-language sources are preferred if the source is from major news outlets or major music-related publishers like Billboard. Also, sources like Soompi, Koreaboo, Allkpop is not consider reliable source as per consensus on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources in case you would like to include them in the future. –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  14:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The first source I gave you was from china as those awards are originated in China, The moment i gave this award information, it was hours after it was announced and it was the only article i found that was not on weibo, as from what I saw the show has there official account there and most articles are in there. Yet you gave me a very good idea, I only looked on 1 search engine, so now I looked on 3 and found more, and they are not from any of those your listed sites (sompi, koreabo,allkpop), there you go:


 * https://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/296489/20201228/blackpink-red-velvet-exo-and-more-win-at-asian-pop-music-awards-2020.htm
 * https://mediapakuan.pikiran-rakyat.com/bentang/pr-631176731/daftar-lengkap-pemenang-korea-asian-pop-music-awards-2020-ada-blackpink-hingga-exo
 * https://kpophit.com/blackpink-red-velvet-exo-and-more-win-at-asian-pop-music-awards-2020-kpophit/
 * https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2134425418885/blackpink-red-velvet-exo-and-more-win-at-asian-pop-music-awards-2020
 * https://zero-lite.com/2020/12/28/song-mino-winner-raih-best-producer-dan-most-outstanding-singer-di-asian-pop-music-awards-2020/
 * http://www.takungpao.com/life/238148/2020/1208/529613.html


 * Unfortunately, none of them are consider reliable source. All of the links you providedc are simply blogs or website similar to soompi/koreaboo/allkpop, in which their content is not original and are simply copy paste from kpopstarz (the 1st unreliable source that wrote about it) as evidence from the credits they provided at the bottom of their article. As far as I'm concern, I don't think this discussion is going anywhere. I would prefer you debate it on Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Blackpink as like I said previously, I myself agreeing on the notability of the awards and the reliablity of the sources is not enough as other Wikipedian would still need to agree on it. Adding it onto the table would be pointless as other Wikipedian would still revert it, I would recommended you not to force your way but adding it again after it was removed as that behavior would be consider disruptive editing and after receiving 4 warning, you would be reported to administrators for further action which often is ban for 72 hours or ban permanently. –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  05:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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Add award
Please can you add some awards and these awards are really huge 1 is asian pop music award and this is huge award in Hong Kong and bp won best album,best group 2 is hallyu loop awards and bp won best collaboration selpink 3 is just Jared award and bp won best kpop act so please add these awards and thank you and also these all are huge and big awards Rosieunnie (talk) 17:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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Please make barvo otto pending
Because winner are not announced yet Mochichipmunkkookie (talk) 05:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Go read the source provided, it mentioned they have won the award. I have also added a welcome section in your talk page just recently only, please go and read every single article. Thanks –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  05:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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But if they won that then add that to barvo otto main table and please add PAK awards because it was added before with reference but someone exclude that and you can see it in editing page if don't believe and actually I have also more awards that are legit but you didn't add that Mochichipmunkkookie (talk) 05:49, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * PAK is non-notable. Please open discussion on Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Blackpink to reach consensus if you want to add non-notable award to the main table with strong evidence to show it's notable award. In addition, please don't bother me again to tell me to add award onto the main table unless the award is existing award that is already on the table else open discussion to reach consensus. –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  07:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Center align styling
Is there a particular reason you center aligned the entire BTS awards table? I noticed you've been doing that recently on multiple awards+noms articles and now other editors are starting to think this is the standard for similar articles (someone changed the Mamamoo page while I was cleaning it up and I had to undo that). We styled the table after other featured list articles (musicians and actors) and none of these center align the entire table either. It looks very strange and is quite unnecessary so I'm undoing it on the BTS table. Giving you a courtesy heads up instead of just reverting wo a word. I won't interfere w any other pages that you've updated this way as I had no hand in those. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * As stated in summary notes, I edited it because there's double  declaration. The main is the one currently (before edit/after reverted) with   and directly below there's another  . I simply merged the   into the main declaration as   is not needed and doesn't have any affect. If it's intended to align the table headers and caption, it's doesn't have any affect either. I have tested it on Firefox, Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge, Internet Explorer, macOS Safari, macOS Firefox, macOS Chrome, iOS Safari, iOS Firefox, iOS Chrome, iOS Brave, iOS Microsoft Edge, Wikipedia iOS app & Wikipedia mobile site. Hence, if it's not needed, please remove the unnecessary coding else please enlighten me on its usage so I'm aware on it.


 * As for why, I simply center align is because it's cleaner and makes it easier to see/read. I am aware other featured list articles have left align, however most of them have separated table(s) instead of consolidated ones and most doesn't use rowspan to consolidate as well. Of course, that's just the editor (my) perference, unless I'm not aware of there isn't any explicitly defined MOS guidelines to forced all Wikipedian to follow on (I did quick search through MOS but found nothing). –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  05:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * it could have been myself who did it, or one of the other editors who worked with me on the page revamp, but iirc the table styling was orig just copied from another FL article when we were working on the converted draft (possibly Kylie Minogue or Taylor Swift at the time but that was back in 2019 so I can't recall which exactly). If it was purposely done for a specific reason I honestly can't say what that was now. I was not aware it was an error of any kind, nor was it mentioned as an issue during the detailed FLC review so I was under the impression all this time that it was fine as is (I just checked, it's still there in the Kylie Minogue awards article actually). Since I now understand that it apparently serves no particular purpose that can be determined at present, you can remove it again but I'd appreciate if the alignment of the table remained as is. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 06:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * No problem. Thanks –  Paper9oll (📣 • 📝)  06:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC)