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Oppenheimer (film)
Hello, Paper9oll,

Wow, this is a very confusing User talk page. But I found a way to make a comment here the way I'm used to doing, without being forced into a new section box.

Please check the talk page archives for this article. I don't think you moved them to the correct page title. There are two of them. You can find them on the Move log. And if you could simplify your own talk page without a big box on it, maybe not deleting or archiving messages so quickly, it would help with the disorientation. I think archiving messages after only 24 hours doesn't allow for discussions that might last for days or be interrupted and then continue. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Liz the move revert, thanks for notifying! Happy editing!  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Make Mate One Draft
Hi I have the Draft:Make Mate One back in November, is there a way that you can help me with the article. HongLock (talk) 22:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi HongLock, in case you're unaware, your draft has been incorrectly procedurally WP:CUTPASTE by another user to Make Mate 1. I'm not into reality competitive show so I can't help you with the improvements.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

MM1
Hi! @Paper9oll, so to make sure you don't misunderstand, the reason why I don't move the draft MM1 to the mainspace is because I'm the only author of the draft who created the whole text, so I don't want to affect the live. Have a nice day! Aidillia (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Aidillia Your rationale makes zero sense to me, anyway please refrain from doing so moving forward.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my bad english, i actually practice my english for now, not good at giving a reason and this message suppose to be for another user.. but i mistaken, my bad and that draft, no one is helping me so i decided to create it by my own. Aidillia (talk) 08:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Aidillia Fyi, I'm not saying your English is bad just telling you to refrain from cut-paste from draft to mainspace moving forward.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, clear! Aidillia (talk) 09:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Removal of recent edits
hi we added an award for Lee Dong Wook yesterday but it was removed. Wanted to understand why Pingyyego is "non-notable" as it is a very popular Korean talkshow. On behalf of his SEA fanclub we are requesting for the entry to be reinstated. For your consideration please Miangeldw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * As stated clearly, the awards ceremony is non-notable with no significant coverage from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject in which verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Notability is not inherited just because the YouTube show Pingyyego is a notable entity. In addition, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  01:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * does https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/web-series/news/korean/lee-dong-wook-takes-home-top-honors-at-pinggyego-awards-despite-no-acting-daesang-nomination/articleshow/106061313.cms count as secondary reliable source?
 * By the way there is no wiki page for pinggyego (excuse go) - would you be able to create one? It's really hard to edit using only a hp. Miangeldw (talk) 03:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Miangeldw Your queries was already answered btw, please read again. I have already researched before reverting and also answering you.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  04:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes and i thank you for your answer. I am not challenging that or your right to edit entries. I just wanted to clarify how to determine if something is worth updating that's all. Miangeldw (talk) 04:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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Marie Claire Korea
I wanted to know what your criteria for reliable sources is? Because as far as I know, Marie Claire is one of the biggest women's magazines today and is, as far as I know, one of the most reliable sources to use on Wikipedia. What is this story that you accused my sister of disruptive editing? I'm working in another city and my sister calls me saying that you reversed her edit in the article about Yerin (former member of GFriend) and even accused her of disruptive editing. Was what you did to her a threat? Because if it is, I will report you to the Wikipedia Adms, because it seems that in articles about Korean entertainment, it seems that only you can edit, only you can edit correctly...MafiaBoy123 (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @MafiaBoy123 Kindly go read Template:Infobox person/doc if you haven't done so, in case it wasn't clear enough, as per documentation, only include up to City. In addition, you or your sister (whichever you decided to be) have been reverted not just by me on single occassion but also by other editors on multiple occasion (for example ) that also echoed to include up to City only and also quoted the same linked documentation. WP:IDHT is considered as WP:DISRUPTSIGNS when already mentioned that "Up to City only" via this diff in the same article.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

About Jessica Jung
Hi, thank you for the warning. I'm not trying to vandalize Jessica's page. I'm a fan of Jessica Jung, and she has stated clearly she only has one citizenship - American. As it was cited in the 'Personal Life' section. She said in her concert in Taiwan, she didn't have a Korean name legally. The name on her passport is "Jessica Jung", no middle name. And as it's cited in the 'nationality' note to the page 'South Korean nationality law', South Korea does not allow people with dual nationality (South Korean and a foreign one) exercise the foreign one in South Korea. South Korea starting allowing dual nationality in 2011 via parents. And in 2011, Krystal Jung was 17, she was eligible for South Korean citizenship; in 2011, Jessica was 22, she had become an adult, and she couldn't obtain South Korean citizenship.

And 'Beep Beep' is Jessica Jung's fourth EP was released on November 22, 2023. And everything I've written is published online, as you can see on YouTube, Twitter and Instagram. Why did you call it "unsourced", it's just like her 3 previous albums. And I use the same template as those pages, I don't know how to add the source yet, it would be lovely if you can show me how to add citation.

Thank you. Have a good day. Minam.nn (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Minam.nn For Jessica Jung, as stated clearly in the hidden note, changing it would be considered as WP:DISRUPTIVE EDITING in which you totally ignored the hidden note and proceeded ahead, the hidden note is there for this very same reasons that was already discussed previously. For South Korean nationality law, the law allowing "individuals automatically receive South Korean nationality at birth if at least one parent is a South Korean national, whether they are born within the Republic of Korea or overseas" was enacted in 1948 and was amended couple of times since then with the latest in 2018, neither of amendments made so far as any effect as far as the subject is concerned. For Beep Beep, read WP:BURDEN, WP:VERIFY, WP:VNOT, and WP:TRUE, and NO, none of her previous extended plays here is fully unsourced.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, sir. I'm highly aware about "individuals automatically receive South Korean nationality at birth if at least one parent is a South Korean national, whether they are born within the Republic of Korea or overseas".
 * But on September 2, 2014, Girls' Generation had an event in Vietnam, except SooYoung who was busy filming, Jessica Jung and Tiffany Young couldn't go to Vietnam because they are American citizens, which are required to apply for visa to enter Vietnam, whereas South Korean citizens don't need that.
 * Sunny (Lee SoonKyu) was also born in the US, but she's an South Korean citizen, so she could go to Vietnam at that time.
 * So, like Tiffany Young, Jessica Jung doesn't have South Korean citizenship, they were not given a Korean birth certificate when they were born.
 * And with the source cited in 'Personal life' section, Jessica said it herself, "There is something people don't know. My original name is Jessica. So my legal name is also 'Jessica' and I don't have my Korean name anywhere. I just made it. So, my passport also just says Jessica Jung."
 * https://www.allkpop.com/article/2022/04/jessica-says-she-didnt-have-a-korean-name-and-gave-herself-the-korean-name-jung-soo-yeon
 * With all due respect, if I'm not good enough with editing and cite source, please consider this information and edit her name and her nationality.
 * Thank you. Have a good one.
 * ~ Minam.nn (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Minam.nn What you are doing is considered as WP:OR btw. In addition, Allkpop is considered as unreliable source as per WP:KO/RS. Lastly, it seemed like you have this misconception that passport name and/or current legal name is equals to birth name which is incorrect thinking. The information at Jessica Jung doesn't requires any changing as far as I'm aware of, there is any factual errors.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not about allkpop, it's about
 * - Jessica Jung said it herself her full name is "Jessica Jung".
 * - She doesn't have a South Korean citizenship, as the fact that she couldn't go to Vietnam on September 2, 2014 because she didn't have a visa. If you say "individuals automatically receive South Korean nationality at birth if at least one parent is a South Korean national, whether they are born within the Republic of Korea or overseas", Tiffany Young's page should edited too.
 * I just wanna contribute information about Jessica Jung and her EP 'Beep Beep', I'm not an expert in Wikipedia, I don't know well about the "source", you're the doctor! Minam.nn (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Minam.nn Regarding the points you raised, I'd like to clarify a few things. Firstly, it's important to distinguish between legal/passport names and birth names. Legal names can be changed through proper documentation if eligible. Secondly, this "Jessica Jung and Tiffany Young couldn't go to Vietnam because they are American citizens, which are required to apply for visa to enter Vietnam, whereas South Korean citizens don't need that" and this "She doesn't have a South Korean citizenship, as the fact that she couldn't go to Vietnam on September 2, 2014 because she didn't have a visa" is considered as original research in which original research is prohibited on Wikipedia unless you have secondary reliable sources to support this statement, not knowing how to find a reliable source isn't a valid reason for you to bomb whatever you are thinking just because you saw such assumptions (Wikipedia categories such as gossip) online, such actions (i.e. original research bombing) is unconstructive to the discussion. As far as I'm aware of, there isn't any official statement released on their absent. Thirdly, for this "Jessica Jung and Tiffany Young couldn't go to Vietnam because they are American citizens, which are required to apply for visa to enter Vietnam, whereas South Korean citizens don't need that" original research, this is again another misconception you have, it's possible for someone to be a citizen of both countries to only possess one country's passport, citizenship are semi-autoissued but passport requires full (not an automated process) application submission. For example, a person born in the United States (jus soli; right of soil) to South Korean parents (jus sanguinis; right of blood) may be a citizen of both countries but may only have a U.S. passport. Just like the fact that a person don't renew your citizenship but is required to renew their passport every few years, if their passport expired and they don't renew it, this doesn't means that they lost your citizenship. In addition, if they don't have a passport at all in their entire lifetime such as due to financial barriers, this also doesn't means they are not a citizenship of their country. Lastly, I will work on Beep Beep when I have the spare time since you don't know how to find a reliable source even though another editor has posted on your talkpage a Welcome guide which contains links on how to get started including how to find a reliable source and/or adding it as a citation, I also see that you blanked your entire talk page hence I believe that you have no interest on such.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  01:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

About your user script
There's a bug while I'm using your script, mostly on Accolades/Awards and nominations section: here and here. Also can you have an option to not change the format on Cast section of a film or television articles. Thanks for doing a great job. 98 𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  08:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


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Jo Boah
Sorry for my bad english. About JBA's state honors and Ambassadorship. I think its basically the same honors (the national tax ambassador). But just from different news, since its from korean news. Like they got the presidential commendation for being the pr ambassadors for the National Tax Service 2022. Audy.thorne (talk) 11:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Audy.thorne They were appointed the ambassadors and also received the Presidential Commendation award as per citation [49]. I have removed the inline citation that was previously on Ambassadorship section and replaced with citation [49].  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Formatter–Tagger script
There's seems a bug on the script as when I use it to edit the whole article of Queen of Tears it messes up mostly the wikitables and/or template tables there so I just cancelled the edit. Hope it'll be fix asap. Thanks in advance and for your hard work!  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   14:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


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 * Another problem arise as when I use and click the script, a message pop-up stating "Account must be extended confirmed to use this script." but I'm already an EC user so I'm confused. I already uninstall then reinstall and has the same outcome.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   17:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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 * Alright thanks a lot.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   18:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Choi Hye-seon Avatar
hello! you had raised a permission issue on my talk page with a file, i responded but haven't heard back from you so i'm trying here, i hope that's okay! you had asked for a rationale, i found that the rationale that i originally uploaded it with is saved with the file, so i'm reproducing it here:

Purpose of use in article - Depicts the subject of the article, using the same picture she herself uses on her YouTube channel. It confirms immediately to readers that this Choi Hye-seon is that specific Choi Hye-seon, as well as the Choi Hye-seon described in the references, where she is frequently photographed. Not replaceable with free media because - There is by definition no alternative to the illustration that she herself picked, since no one else can make her pick. Minimal use - The file will be used in exactly one article, and it is one of exactly one picture in the entire article. There cannot possibly be less minimal uses of a relevant file than one and one respectively. Respect for commercial opportunities - The image is already freely available on her YouTube page, whose only commercial purpose is in videos and author-fan communication, neither of which are possible on Wikipedia.

you had also suggested i tag it as non-free fair use, the file itself is currently listed as having "non-free use rationale" so i'm not sure how else to tag it. if the article itself must be tagged, i'm also not sure how or where to place that tag

please let me know if this satisfactory! thanks Kinerd518 (talk) 17:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kinerd518 You added those rationale yourself obviously (this is what you think; the template doesn't defaults to such values) hence I tagged it accordingly as I don't find any evidence on the author's YouTube page that they has agreed to release the file under the given license. I also don't see how, it is considered as non-free as you self-proclaimed. Anyway instead of talking to me, please follow the template instruction by sending the relevant proof of permissions given explicitly by the author to the listed email address.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  17:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * oh i'm sorry! to be clear, i was going off your comment "If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as non-free fair use or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:File copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included." so i thought it was clear from the start that this was the rationale i added, i felt like i was responding to a specific request to do so. are you saying that ONLY author approval matters for non-free fair use? thanks! Kinerd518 (talk) 18:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kinerd518 I think you are confused, the message/notification posted on your talk page is from a template generated by Twinkle which you shouldn't even be replying on your talk page or here as it isn't the correct response to do so. As stated above, you are to submit the relevant proof of permissions given explicitly by the author to the listed email address at permissions-en@wikimedia.org, this is the correct response to do so instead. This instructions is also stated clearly in the templated message posted to your talk page which I doubt you even read it or read it correctly in full extend hence this isn't some nonsensical instructions that I crafted myself. Anyway, whether or not, you want to follow the instructions given i.e. sending proof of permissions, is up to you to decide on, you have 4 days remaining to do so. As I have given the help required by responsing to your queries and also directing you to the correct venue, this would be my last reply pertaining to this topic. Happy editing and goodnight!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like our persistent friend is back
See: Draft:Laxmi Narayana Maharana - I reopened the SPI Sockpuppet investigations/Tinkubhoi. They also tried to hijack Pravakar Maharana. Thought you should know. I'll keep my eyes open. Netherzone (talk) 11:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Netherzone, thanks you for notifying. It has been a while but they are sure persistent, will keep a lookout.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  11:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question
Hello. This is to follow up on what I did yesterday on the article, "BTS World".

What would count as a reliable source to prove the game shut down? There was an announcement from Netmarble that stated when the game would shut down and be pulled from app stores and all that, but that was shown on its official forum, and that shut down for what's about to be two months from now. I do have a statement from the game's official Twitter page, although the link the tweet provides leads to an error page since, again, it could be viewed on the forum and it's shut down. What do you think I should do about it? JinsengOG (talk) 17:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi JinsengOG, please provide secondary reliable source that is independent of the subject i.e. often in the form of news sources. Do take note of WP:RSPSS and WP:KO/RS. However, if secondary independent reliable source(s) are not available, you can also provide primary reliable source i.e. often in the form of press releases on the company's official website itself.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list.
 * If you use the user-preference "", then the template-page feature "" will now also work without reloading the page.
 * Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> attribute. This is identical in usage to the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive.
 * The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people.

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VAV
Hi! Just trying to keep VAV (group) page accurate. Ive never done a Wikipedia edit before and don't really know what im doing. Unfortunately, their current page is incorrect. What do I need to do to change the information? Thanks Argamble95 (talk) 06:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Argamble95, as stated, you didn't provide reliable source(s) to support your changes made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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mark lee
he is a songwriter, and not only that but also can dance, so if you will add songwriter and dancer, it will be better. Nathanlong3010 (talk) 07:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Nathanlong3010 Read MOS:ROLEBIO  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Nayeon
Hi, would you mind starting a discussion at Talk:Nayeon and inviting to it? &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 16:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi ToBeFree, on change all images on the article to older images without specifying why, would this be the topic?  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Regardless done, not pinging anyone for neutrality and general participation.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, regarding the image(s). Thank you very much! The article's talk page is the right place for discussing a specific article's images, at least when there's already an edit war. A WikiProject's talk page would probably not be sufficient in this case.
 * I have now invited as the editor you had disagreed with – this is generally fine as they're clearly already interested in the discussion and need to talk instead of reverting.
 * In 90% of such cases, the editor won't respond to your invitation, but you need to try at least once before continuing with other methods such as WP:DISCFAIL or similar. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 16:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @ToBeFree Noted  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

ARTMS <Dall>
Hi ! Artms came out with a new album and I saw that the image was replaced in DALL (album) and when I checked on many streaming services the album uses two different album covers.

The version with text is used in every other streaming service (Including Korean ones) while Apple Music and Amazon Music use the textless version.

Is it possible if you can add the textless version as the "alternate cover" (similar to Loona album pages) To the Dall page? When I do I end up ruining the whole page. 😭💀

PS: There's an image named File:Dall (Album) - Artms.jpg which has the text, it is pretty low quality, but it was the only picture I found when looking at the view history of Dall. ~ (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Slimiyo3o, as per Template:Infobox album and in particularly WP:NFCCP, what you mentioned above isn't applicable as "multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information" in which the current image already fulfiled this criteria. And also the current image also fulfiled the Template:Infobox album criteria i.e. "prefer a version without stickers (like Parental Advisory, "As seen on TV", etc.) to display the artwork as intended by the artist".  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Kim Hye-yoon
Is there any issue in regard to my addition of her profile from Namu Wiki under 'External links'? Phoebe (talk) 17:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, read WP:ELNO and WP:KO/RS.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  17:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * @Magmamatt Thanks you! Happy editing!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> " to "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> ".
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Tactics to avoid your redirects being overwritten
Paper9oll, in regards to your just-created Red Velvet redirects, creating redirects then immediately repointing them to a different page looks like a very blatant tactic to try avoid having your redirects be overwritten, since you appear to know redirects can simply be overwritten by page movers if there's only one edit to them. You cannot stop redirects from being overwritten if someone wants to do so, and you should not attempt to camp on topics like this by trying to force interested people to make articles on them. A moderately experienced user can either move redirects you've created out of the way themselves, ask a page mover to do it at WP:RM/TR, or an ask an admin to simply delete your redirects for them. You should know this by now. Unless you rush-create an article yourself, there's no way to stop others from creating what they want to create by making quick subsequent edits to a redirect and every conceivable variation of a title, including making draftspace titles, and both "(EP)" and "(album)", which I know you've personally disapproved of before—you yourself have previously nominated "(album)" redirects for deletion when a release has been an EP, have you not? Nobody on Wikipedia is forced to make an article on someone's redirect if they don't want to. I have seen this behaviour before, so I don't think my assumption that this is what you're doing, for a K-pop girl group whose topics you've made plenty of articles for and are still heavily involved with, is out of line. It looks like you do this for most, if not all redirects you make. Please stop this behaviour.

At this point you also haven't added any mention of what "Cosmic" is at Red Velvet discography, and you should do that when you create redirects.  Ss  112   16:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * Octicons-tools.svg The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It was changed last week in some skins (Vector legacy and Minerva). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in Vector-2022. The developers are still considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.
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Re: FT script
Hi there, just want to let you know that I can't use your script again.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   09:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @98Tigerius Can I have the error(s) labeled in red color or ❌ in the Developer tools ( F12 or Ctrl+Shift+I ) > Console after you click to trigger the script? And also would be helpful to explain more on what the exact issues encountered.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's the same as last time where you must be an EC user to use the script.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   09:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In the Developer tools > Console, can you type in  and hit enter . Do you see "confirmed" in the output, just a yes or no, will do.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  10:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm only using a phone and not a desktop/laptop.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   11:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Install this testing version into your Common.js. Remember to comment out the production version before saving to avoid any issues. Will update the production version once it's confirmed to be working on your end, will CSD U1 the testing version thereafter.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @98Tigerius I assumed that the testing version is working for you since you made an edit using the script. I will proceed to CSD U1 the testing version by 12 June 2024 midnight UTC timing. Do let me know otherwise.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes I installed the testing version and uninstall the other. Thanks for the update. You're doing great and happy editing.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   15:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @98Tigerius Noted, you may proceed to uninstall the testing version and install back the production version. The fixes has been deployed to the production version.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Assemble (EP) edit
Regarding your rollback edit here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assemble_(EP)&action=history, I used the style guide as reference. The stylized form of the album appears to be used in infoboxes for most albums, and I added a citation for the addition of "(stylized in all caps)" in the lede. Assuming your rollback wasn't automated, can you please explain your rationale for reversion? Thanks. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 01:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Please provide an explanation while citing relevant Wikipedia policies to demonstrate your understanding then.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So why is this article any different than all of these? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?go=Go&search=stylized+in+all+caps&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1 AVNOJ1989 (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Go read Special:PermanentLink/1088443179.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * From the talk page you linked to as justification for your reversion; We commonly include a "*stylized as ...)" note in leads just to be sure the reader knows they are at the right page, but we're not going to around writing SONY or macy★s in running text otherwise. The prohibition is against using it against the entire article, but having this mentioned at the beginning of the article is standard for the site and has been for years. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 02:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please provide your explanation to demostrate your understanding then on what is the exact purpose on adding and/or using "stylized as"? I does look to me that you're just cherry picking your preferred pointers and WP:WHATABOUTX here and there.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That is the established convention as per what you yourself linked to earlier; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1088443179#MOS:TMSTYLE --AVNOJ1989 (talk) 02:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your replies just confirmed my assumption of showing no understanding, why was the reason why I asked you to provide an explanation while citing relevant policies to demostrate your understanding twice in which you couldn't even reply me on, and yes this is a test intentionally. I don't think I need to explained myself further since I had already linked the relevant policies and discussion here and also at Talk:Assemble24 (strikeoff note: irrelevant to this topic i.e. on "stylized as") and you're just cherry picking whichever pointers you see fit yourself while ignoring the rest.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "yes this is a test intentionally" is not how Wikipedia works. Users are meant to collaborate with each other in a productive manner to meet site policies. 'Testing' other users on policies is essentially weaponizing your interpretation of the rules to make articles the way you want and lock other users out of the process. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you do know that you stated "I used the style guide as reference" hence I replied "Please provide an explanation while citing relevant Wikipedia policies to demonstrate your understanding then". Secondly, instead of answering my question, you gave me a literally WP:WHATABOUTX in the form of a search results. Thirdly, I replied to your WHATABOUTX with a discussion on "stylized as" usage which stated clearly the purpose. Lastly, instead of reading the discussion entirely, you instead provide me a cherry picked version of your preferred pointer. The reason for testing you is because you can't even answer my initial question and also failure to understand the linked discussion and/or didn't read it completely, it's supposed to be constructive however you instead chosen to gave me irrelevant replies instead so that is that. In case, you still couldn't understand what exactly the conclusion of the linked straightforward discussion i.e. "stylized as" is to prevent any form of confusion to the readers otherwise it should be omitted however one shouldn't waste their time to go around each article to purge it, hence you're just wasting my time and no I'm not a teacher and it isn't my responsibility to educate you when you're simply refusing to listen even when the relevant discussion are already presented to you.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  03:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have been on Wikipedia most the day. Checking my history to figure out which page I was using as reference is easier said than done and failing to be able to immediately produce it is not evidence I didn't use the guide. You are deliberately withholding your knowledge to have an upper hand in any edit discussions and asking you to be collaborative is not putting an unreasonable burden upon you. You're being incredibly rude and disruptive. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think I read minds and I had provided straightforward answer to the relevant replies. The intention is to have straightforward productive discussion provided the other party understood exactly what is going on instead of wasting everyone precious time. Regardless, in regards to "incredibly rude", a big thank you for the PA.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  03:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Get over yourself. Do you have a proposed solution to avoid this lapsing into edit warring? We're both reading the same policy and coming away with radically different interpretations. I lifted a direct quote from the policy – which, as a reminder, you linked to in the first place – as justification. You've only been accusing me of trolling, wasting your time, etc... can you explain why you reverted the edit or are you okay to let my current edit stand? AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't even reverted your latest revision even though I saw it on my WP:WATCHLIST (i.e. currently at 8000+ pages count) hence I'm not sure how this is going into edit warring or 3RR territory, and also I have no intention in doing so either. This however doesn't means that I agreed nor is this a "agree to disagree" with your interpretation and/or implementation just not interested in edit warring as I have better things to do instead. For the record, I'm not the only editor doing so i.e. removing and/or reverted "stylized as", see 3 examples (1, 2, 3) from another editor quoting the same discussion. And also, please fix your WP:BAREURL citation that you included in this edit to Assemble, I'm not going touch this disputed area i.e. the starting sentence in the lead as precaution for the timebeing.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  04:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip on fixing that citation. If we ever interact in the future I'd encourage you to remember WP:AGF with me instead of immediately jumping to going on the offensive. I think you got confused and | completely missed my point regarding the title of <ASSEMBLE24> because you didn't even read what I was saying or attempt to seek clarification. However large your watchlist is or however many edits you've done is simply irrelevant and no excuse to attempt to lock out or intimidate other editors. --AVNOJ1989 (talk) 04:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the citation. No comments on the other.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  04:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

How to completely clear away my user page
Hello, Paper9oll, I am sorry for troubling you with a seemingly trivial request. It's because someone just filled up and created my user page without my permission, and I always wanted to keep it as a red link as I am not inclined to share anything about myself, at least in this point of time.

I managed to clear away the content but it's still there. I wish to completely delete and reset it back to red link while keeping my talk page. Will this affect my account right? How do I do it? I read through the guidelines and I not sure if I found the correct way to do it. Hope you might give me an answer as soon as you can to as to clarify my doubts. Thank you so much. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi NelsonLee20042020, add  to your userpage to request for deletion.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  10:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion, @Paper9oll. Your friend Btspurplegalaxy, I also thank him as well. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 11:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @NelsonLee20042020 No problem, happy editing!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy editing too. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Script
I was wondering how I would use your script? I can't seem to figure it out, as I'm not that great with using scripts. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 14:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Btspurplegalaxy, you can add  to your common.js. Afterwards, you should see 3 links (Formatter/Tagger, Tagger, Settings) in the right sidebar if you're editing using 2010 wikitext editor (the 2017 wikitext editor isn't supported like any other userscripts due to technical limitations), Formatter/Tagger performs both formatting and if applicable also tagging of selected unreliable sources (currently covers the entire WP:KO/RS list and selected WP:RSPSS list), Tagger simply does tagging of selected unreliable sources, and Settings allows you to turn on/off selected formatting that the scripts performs.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have the script installed, but I'm struggling to see what you're telling me to do. I need a visual of it somehow. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy I see that you're using the 2017 wikitext editor based on your contributions hence why you're not seeing as described above. If you're desktop, then on your browser's bookmark bar, create a new bookmark, in the URL field add  into it, you can name the bookmark as "2010 editor", then save it. After which, you go an article that you want to test it, then click the bookmark, this should redirect you to edit mode, and you should be able to see it now. The bookmark is a shortcut to change the editor from 2017 wikitext editor to 2010 wikitext editor quickly however there is also a manual way i.e. by appending   to the end of the URL if you're in read mode.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Does it say ProveIt on it? <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 15:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy No. Simply just 3 bluelinks named Formatter/Tagger, Tagger, Settings together in the right sidebar named Tools. If you have Tools unpin from the right sidebar, then it should be on the right side of "Read", "Edit", "View History", and the "Star" button.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you have an email, I can contact you on and show you by screenshots what my screen looks like? So you can see what I see. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 15:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Sorry, I don't have any public email. Do you happened to have a similar screen when visiting this article?  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It shows up on that article: <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 15:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Based on your screen, it is in the left sidebar named "Paper9ollScripts". Does clicking any of the 3 links, does anything? If it doesn't, try changing the URL from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trithemis_annulata&veaction=submit (based on screenshot) to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trithemis_annulata?action=submit or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trithemis_annulata&action=submit What we are trying to do here is to get the 2010 wikitext editor, based on your screenshot, I believe that it is still using the 2017 wikitext editor, the expected editor should be of this design.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is what I have for one thing: Your script only shows on the article you linked me. Do I need to change anything in my settings? This is what I have pulled up in my settings:  <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 16:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Just the URL portion requires changes as stated above, basically instead of ending with  or , it should be ending with  . Once your URL is changed then clicking on any of the 3 links would trigger an action. No changes is required in the Settings. Earlier, it didn't work due to unsupported editor (2017 wikitext editor in your 1st screenshot) vs the supported editor (2010 wikitext editor in your 2nd screenshot).  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Do I have to type it manually every time? Let's say I go to Girls' Generation article it won't automatically have it, so I have to add it to make it work properly. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 16:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Unfortunately, yes. Otherwise, you can use the bookmark method. This is my personal workflow if I want to use the script, go an article (e.g. Girls' Generation), click the bookmark, wait for the page to reload into edit mode, scroll down till I find "Formatter/Tagger" link, click it, wait for it to complete where the display will automatically change to "Show Changes", review the changes and click "Publish" button.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I understand now, so basically you use the bookmark method to use the script than you have the option of doing it manually. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 16:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Ya, to me it is more convenience and also because of muscle memory.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So let's say I installed another script, would the same method be used? <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 16:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Yes, if the script involves touching the editor; for example, the script's functionality involves in changing the article coding (wikitext) like fixing the date formatting.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that. I've always thought when you install a script, it would atomically appear under the tools. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 16:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy Use to be the case in the past before the rollout of 2017 wikitext editor.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  17:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me out. <b style="color:black; font-family:Garamond">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:blue">💬</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖊️</b> 16:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy No problem, happy editing!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Zombie (Everglow song)
Hello! I understand that you must be busy, but I would appreciate getting a response to my feedback after my reverted edit at Zombie (Everglow song). As I said on my talk page, the song key indicated on the page's Composition section is incorrect, and I can provide proofs if needed. However, since there's no available source that indicates the actual key of the song, I think the best option is to remove that sentence from the page. Again, I find your rollback and warning quite arbitrary. Looking forward to your reply! HoneyKpop (talk) 02:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @HoneyKpop You didn't "provide proofs" on both locations in which "[you] couldn't find any other reliable source that proves [your] point" is conclusively telling me that your rationale is original research. And no, it isn't "quite arbitrary" when you didn't even "provide proofs" in this original research edit as per WP:BURDEN.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Producer or arranger?
Hello! I am sorry to bother you again, but I've seen that you removed The Stereotypes, 9am and Bangkok from the producer(s) section on the Zombie (single album) article's infobox since "arranging ≠ producing". However, the three of them are credited as track producers (not arrangers) on all sources provided by Everglow (e.g. track list poster, highlight medley video, album liner notes). I'm aware that arrangement and production credits are similar, but I would like to know why you labeled these three as arrangers in the article when none of them are officially credited as such. Thanks in advance! HoneyKpop (talk) 17:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @HoneyKpop They are officially credited for their arrangement credits in the streaming services. I have re-added both teams as "producers" in the credits after missing out in the translation previously and also double checked the photobook again for any missed translation, and I expect no further changes to this section.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  18:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice
Hi @Paper9oll. There's a dispute about "Release history" table where suggest to change "Label" to "Distributor", and take a look at Jolin Tsai album articles. If you have time, your comments would be appreciated. 121.122.123.234 (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi 121.122.123.234, thanks for the invite to comment. However, I have some reservations and won't be participating in the discussion.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Change to Jeon Yeo Been name
Hi, we would like to change Jeon Bo Young to Jeon Yeo Been as she had mentioned that her mom helped her changed since she was in high school. And she's widely known as Yeo Been. Can you let us edit it? We are Yeobeen fans. Thanks

CarlyBeen (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @CarlyBeen Kindly read MOS:NAME. And also "Can you let us edit it? We are Yeobeen fans" isn't allowed per WP:SOCK.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * so is this like a standard which we cannot change although we knew she wanted to be known as Jeon Yeo Been! CarlyBeen (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @CarlyBeen I would assumed that you have read MOS:NAME hence yes.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * https://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%A0%84%EC%97%AC%EB%B9%88
 * If you refer to Korea wiki, its correct. CarlyBeen (talk) 09:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @CarlyBeen Please note that MOS:NAME is a English Wikipedia policies and guidelines and therefore, what applies to other editions of Wikipedia does not apply to the English Wikipedia. I believe that I had already answered to queries made and also directed you on the relevant policies and guidelines. Consequently, I will not be replying further to avoid a circular discussion.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ok thanks for explaining. BTW I only have one account. The other account is not me. Thanks again. CarlyBeen (talk) 10:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Changing producers order
Hi, we'd like to change the order of the producers' names listed in the following korean tv serieses.

- The Red Sleeve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Sleeve) - Forecasting Love and Weather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forecasting_Love_and_Weather) - King the Land (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_the_Land) - A Time Called You (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_Called_You)

According to korean drama credits system, the position called '제작', which normally refers to the CEO of production company or studio, corresponds with 'executive producer' position in typical english credits system. Therefore, it's more accurate to put the CEOs at the top of the 'executive producers' section and put other producers in 'producers' section.

Giving 'The Red Sleeve' for instance, Lee Hyun-wook(CEO of production company 'WeMad') and Pyo Jong-rok(CEO of production company 'Npio Entertainment') should be listed at the top of the 'Executive producers' section. But now they are listed at the bottom.

We've editted it before, but you've reverted it saying that the information is incorrect. Could you let us edit it? :)

As you can see in the official credits below, the 'executive producers(제작)' are on the second row, right below the 'created/developed by(기획)' position.

https://program.imbc.com/Concept/redsleeve

Thanks. 14.52.10.68 (talk) 07:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @14.52.10.68 Based on your wording above, you have a possible conflict of interest hence please use the edit request wizard and provide reliable sources in your request(s).  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I left my requests with sources. thanks. 14.52.10.68 (talk) 10:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Noted, now read Edit requests and wait patiently for your request(s) to be responsed to by other editor(s).  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  10:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)