User talk:Papillonbleu

Hello, I have picked up on the Mark Bellinghaus page and have found more links in regards of the Travilla exhibition in the world press. http://www.travillacollection.com/index.html this link is for the project website I believe. I just realized that they asked the public for £10 per person. (you might want to add this to your posting), this link is for another popular British newspaper. http://www.theargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1721201.mostcommented.bosses_blow_the_chance_to_host_marilyn_monroe_dress_collection.php Even the BBC bought the story as real: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/sussex/7021885.stm

Weareallone (talk) 04:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I will see how I can include this. --Papillonbleu (talk) 04:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Lee Strasberg
I reverted your addition of Marilyn Monroe related material to Lee Strasberg, because it seemed to stray from the article's topic. please read WP:COATRACK and WP:WEIGHT. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Others had previously submitted about Monroe if you review article history. Supported with newssources about the controversy with the handling of her will. Important subject in Strasberg's History and his Post-Mortem history because of his place in Monroe's life.--Papillonbleu (talk) 17:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You seem to be replying here and at my talk page. Please choose one or the other.
 * You say "Lee Strasberg had an important place in Monroe History," which may be true, but the article isn't about Monroe, it's about Strasberg. By all means, add your material to the Monroe article if it isn't already in there. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I have noted this on the Monroe article but also made a notation on the Strasberg article, relating to Monroe's requests to Strasberg in her will. Monroe was described as an "illustrious pupil" of Strasberg's and a theater was named after her by Strasberg after her death. Her place in Strasberg history is as strong as his place in Monroe History.

--Papillonbleu (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bellinghaus Afd
Please make your arguments here, not on my talk page, so that all editors discussing the article will be able to see them. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bellinghaus AfDs for this article: Articles for deletion/Mark Bellinghaus 	Articles for deletion/Mark Bellinghaus (2nd nomination) 	Articles for deletion/Mark Bellinghaus (second nomination)

Mark Bellinghaus (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

I believe the claim for notability is related to collection of Marilyn Monroe memorabilia, but it's hard to tell with all the other cruft here. Many ghits for "Mark Bellinghaus" but most are his own blogs or PR pieces. One minor role in major film. Fails WP:BIO (lacks significant awards, recognition, or press coverage). Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

* By reading this article, one can see that there are numerous sources which reference back to the subject's contributions in uncovering Marilyn Monroe Memorabilia Fraud. Such notables as Michael Shermer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shermer) included articles about Bellinghaus' research in his online magazine and website. This topic and subject was covered by major news agencies. Two out of 29 sources referenced in this article are Bellinghaus', that is not considered "most".

Is there way to request that an article deletion request be reverted? If so I'd like to do so. --Papillonbleu (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The nearest thing you can get to this is 'speedy close as keep', but that is unlikely to happen here, so no, not really. — BillC talk 17:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

* Weak delete. It's difficult to plough through this article, filled throughout with lavish praise, to get to the subject matter. There doesn't seem to be too strong a claim of genuine notability, but I am willing to be convinced otherwise. — BillC talk 17:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

* Comment Sorry for using jargon - "ghits' is short for "Google hits". I wasn't referring to the refs in the article itself, although spotchecking those, I see that several of them don't mention Bellinghaus at all. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)   * Comment Note that this is actually the third nomination, not the second (I used Twinkle to submit). Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

* Please see source articles on subject's involvement in anti-Fraud with Monroe, which are comprised of 29 valid sources including the BBC, AP, etc. Subject has received global press coverage with his achievements and discoveries as indicated by the resource links. As mentioned, notable Michael Shermer has written about him. Subject is also linked on Marilyn Monroe Wikipedia Article. And has been for extensive time:

Extracted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe See also

* Death of Marilyn Monroe * Marilyn Monroe in popular culture * Berniece Baker Miracle, her half-sister * Look alike contest Monroe's popularity as a costume * Mark Bellinghaus Monroe memorabilia collector and activist

Subject was linked on Marilyn Monroe's Wikipedia Article for the importance of the work done in her memory, which he is known for. This is another indicator of notability.

--Papillonbleu (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

* Nominations for deletions on this article appear to be vandals as indicated by this talk page below. Deletion nominations for this article have been flagged by editors, such as below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hilljayne Mark Bellinghaus

Can you please provide a url from which this is a copyright infringement, I have removed your speedy tag until this is done, as I am unsure as to the validity of your speedy tag. Regards, SGGH speak! 14:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Your post[1] is a violation of WP:BLP. Do not leave such derogatory comments. Additionally, the article is not a copyright infringement. It has been edited thoroughly and been through an AfD. Tyrenius (talk) 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Delicious carbuncle appears to not be using these labels with care, as based on other examples on user's Wiki Talk Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Delicious_carbuncle --Papillonbleu (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

* Comment I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to on my talk page, but this isn't the forum to discuss my actions. I am not User:Hilljayne, nor is that user the nominator of either of the first two AfDs, so I really can't see the relevance, or the justification for accusing anyone of being a vandal. Note that notability is not portable -- Michael Shermer is not the topic of this article -- and that links from other articles do not connote notability. Please review AfD discussion guidelines. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I did not accuse you of being a vandal but noted that there were questions on your Talk Page about other cases you were involved with and that the Bellinghaus article was submitted for deletion by another user and was flagged per the attached

our post[1] is a violation of WP:BLP. Do not leave such derogatory comments. Additionally, the article is not a copyright infringement. It has been edited thoroughly and been through an AfD. Tyrenius (talk) 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

On the topic of Shermer, he is a notable subject on Wiki who has written about the Bellinghaus findings. Bellinghaus is also referenced on the Marilyn Monroe Wiki article. Plus written about by major news agencies many times. This should show subject's notability.

--Papillonbleu (talk) 19:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Weareallone for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 05:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)