User talk:Parrot of Doom/Archives/2010/August

Voices from the Old Bailey
Have you heard this series of programmes on Radio 4? - it seems like the sort of stuff that would interest you. There was a fascinating story this week of a woman who was sentenced to death as a child for stealing another girl's clothes, had the sentence commuted and was transported to Australia and eventually married and became a landowner. There again, maybe you shouldn't listen to it as you seem to have too many articles to write already :) Richerman (talk) 23:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, having listened to that one again the child was called Mary Wade and as someone has already written the article you're safe on that one. Richerman (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * yeah I heard one while in the car, an 18th century burning. I was waiting for Mary toft but they didn't mention her :( Parrot of Doom 09:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Just come across a beaut
I've just come across William Cragh, a man who was hanged in 1290 but was brought back to life by the saintly Thomas de Cantilupe. You couldn't make this stuff up. Malleus Fatuorum 22:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hah, rather you than me. 300 years is ok, 800 years is a bit trickier...  You should check out Death by burning if you fancy a challenge. Parrot of Doom 23:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps this one would be more up your street. Or this one, which I quite like because it involves people in high places being discovered to have acted dishonestly. Malleus Fatuorum 23:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you're intersted in Death by burning how about Stoning? That one's a complete minefield, just look at the talk page - particularly the section headed RFC Richerman (talk) 00:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * What a complete piece of shite that is. Malleus Fatuorum 00:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't touch stoning with a bargepole—there's no point writing something that you know is going to annoy someone whatever you write. While I'm here, can you lot keep half an eye on Alice Ayres—she's suddenly popped up as TFA (I assume Raul pulled whatever was meant to run, as I didn't notice it being scheduled), and I suspect that given the subject this might attract more than its fair share of cranks. – iride  scent  00:47, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got no intention of going anywhere near any Islamic articles, I've had more than enough problems with Irish republican ones. Alice Ayres is on my watchlist. Malleus Fatuorum 00:54, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite right too - but it is funny to watch :) Richerman (talk) 01:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm probably going to continue working on the Gunpowder plotters until the library sources the books I want for Hanged, Drawn and Quartered. I nominated Thomas Bates for GAN yesterday, its very light on facts so I'm not sure it'll get anywhere. Parrot of Doom 08:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Talking of oddities, look what I just found. Parrot of Doom 23:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a very promising one taking shape here. Not sure if it's going to be a series or just a single article yet; I need to see how it pans out. – iride  scent  23:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That looks promising. I'm sure there's a series there. Malleus Fatuorum 00:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I need to see how much space the 19th-century PFW scare takes up. Ideally I'd like to keep the whole thing together—there's such a clear narrative arc in how the story was originally clearly a fairy-tale, but over time its magical elements and moral were dropped until 200 years later otherwise sane people were reporting it as fact. (That lead image is an illustration from Police News, for heaven's sake!) – iride  scent  00:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I came across that Macaroni article after seeing a TV programme explaining the lyrics of Yankee Doodle; there's so much that's been forgotten. Malleus Fatuorum 23:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Last/Final
Last means the same thing as final. I thought final sounded better. "how do you know its the final one?" Hmm... The article says its the last one. DrStrangelove64 (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * "Last" doesn't "mean the same thing as final". "Last one" means there hasn't yet been another; "Final one" means there will never be another. – iride  scent  18:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Parrot of Doom 21:26, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It says the last studio album, there have been and will never be any more. It is the final one.  Dr. Strangelove (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Can I borrow that crystal ball? I could do with winning the lottery. Parrot of Doom 20:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) Citation needed. You're absolutely certain there will be no more? Presumably because you can see into the future. "Last" does the job better than "final". Nev1 (talk) 20:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I apologize for being rude in the last few comments, but Roger Waters left, Richard Wright died, and there is a very limited possibility of future albums.  Sorry. Dr. Strangelove (talk) 14:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * no need to apologise, you've not said anything offensive. Until someone (gilmour et al) says for sure, I don't see how we can say that the division bell is their final album. Remember that amlor was in reality just gilmour. Parrot of Doom 14:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Trafford Park
I've been looking again at Trafford Park, which I think is rather good. I still need to add something about that amazing corrugated-iron church, which might deserve its own article eventually, and there's an important dead link, but what do you think of its chances at FAC apart from that? Malleus Fatuorum 23:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs a bit more work I think, for instance the only mention in the lead of the Ship Canal is when it became insufficient for the park's needs, rather than it being mentioned as instrumental in the park's growth. I'm busy the next three days so won't be able to do much, but I'll be up for it next week. Parrot of Doom 23:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I never said it was the finished article PoD, but I think it's at least in the same post code. Hopefully by next week you'll have Catesby out of the way and Belle Vue's fate will have been decided as well, so shall we go for it? Malleus Fatuorum 23:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not. It'll give me an excuse to go out and replace those rubbish really really good photographs as well :) Parrot of Doom 23:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheeky bugger. If you get a chance, a nice picture of that corrugated-iron church would be good. Malleus Fatuorum 23:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is it? Parrot of Doom 23:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It's in Eleventh Street, pretty much opposite the entrance to Third Avenue. From the street you can only see the back of the church though, which is painted dark green, so it's easy to miss. Looking through my Nicholl's book again, I've come across a photograph of the winner of the 1911 Circuit of Britain race landing in Trafford Park, in his Bleriot XI monoplane. Like Belle Vue, Trafford Park is a massive subject. Malleus Fatuorum 00:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Those corrugated iron churches were once relatively common in rapidly-expanding cities that hadn't had time to build "real" churches yet—I'm aware of surviving examples in Bury St Edmunds, Kilburn and Liverpool as well. We actually have a (not very good) article on the phenomenon at Tin tabernacle. – iride  scent  15:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's interesting. I hadn't realised that they were so common. Malleus Fatuorum 18:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean this.[] I rather like them too, there's a blue one in Cadgwith I've seen a couple of times. Look on Geograph, there are quite a few.--J3Mrs (talk) 19:00, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's the one. I'm sure PoD can come up with a better picture than that though. The Village is a strange place. Malleus Fatuorum 19:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a pretty building. I'll find it on Monday and get some good pics.  It looks quite photogenic. Parrot of Doom 22:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't forgotten about this, the weather looks good for tomorrow so fingers crossed. Parrot of Doom 15:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No rush. The weather's beautiful here now, although it wasn't so clever earlier on. I'll see what I can dig up on St Anthonys and add something to the article in readiness. I'm going to read through the whole thing again as well, but I think it's pretty close now. Malleus Fatuorum 15:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

blackbeard
www.oldgloryprints.com/Expect%20No%20Quarter.htm HERES ONE WEBSITE THAT REFERS TO BLACKBEARDS FINAL BATTLE AS THE BATTLE OF OCRACOKE INLET.--$1LENCE D00600D (talk) 19:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * From that website - "Blackbeard, no kidding, was a real guy. His real name was Edward Teach, a somewhat less than respectable offspring of a respected English family.".  Yeah, like I'm going to pay attention to that. Parrot of Doom 17:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

By no means unique around here
"He's clearly an editor who, when he loses an argument, stores things away ready for the day he can use them as "revenge." I'm afraid he's by no means unusual around here, quite the reverse in fact. This specimen has been after me for more than three years now. If I was ever stupid enough to have another RfA I would absolutely guarantee 100% that he'd be first in the oppose column with his interminable bleating about civility. Malleus Fatuorum 13:41, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Funny how none of them had much to say about a children's entertainer who enjoyed a very brief career as an aerial installer, using the word twat. Parrot of Doom 14:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Where was the "puerile and useless threat" here? Please explain it to me, if you don't mind. --John (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Right on schedule. Like a recurring boil. Parrot of Doom 15:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So you can't, or won't, explain why this was a "puerile and useless threat". Just checking, thanks. --John (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I expect it's more a case of what's the point in explaining anything to someone whose ears are bunged up with wikicrap. Maybe wikipedia isn't for you. Malleus Fatuorum 22:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just checking what? That you're apparently too stupid to realise that people can very easily see through your saccharin version of civility?  Yep, I'd say you successfully checked that. Parrot of Doom 22:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just look at all the important work that John's done today. He's come here to try and wind you up, accused Nev1 of being dishonest, and as a break from his endless quest to seek out new victims for his sickly-sweet version of civility he's moved a few commas around. How would we ever manage without him? Malleus Fatuorum 22:43, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep being you guys, Wikipedia needs you. I wouldn't rather be you and I doubt if you would rather be me. "Ears are bunged up with wiki-crap" was funny, Malleus. I'd guess you toilet-trained late, am I right? --John (talk) 22:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're hardly ever right John. Strange that you haven't yet realised that. Malleus Fatuorum 22:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It really doesn't take long for your veneer of civility to curl up and reveal what lies beneath, does it John? Now then, since admins are apparently allowed to call other editors patronising twats, can I join in? Parrot of Doom 22:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So, since we are having this interesting chat, something I have always wondered. Is your little anti-civility clique for or against civility, both the general human preference for kindness and sensitivity, and the Wikipedia-specific policy WP:CIVIL? You seem to swing both ways on it, sometimes for, sometimes against. If it was an option to get rid of WP:CIVIL, would you? --John (talk) 23:04, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * When you have the first clue what being civil actually means, perhaps then we can have an "interesting chat". Until then, jog on. Parrot of Doom 23:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Golly, now I am really confused. Why did you post the diff to MF's talk page unless you felt there was something wrong with it? And why post that in a conversation with me, then ask me to "jog on" when I asked a clarifying question? So, are you or aren't you in favor of civility? Or are you still thinking about it (which is also ok)? --John (talk) 23:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not interested in your games John, as I've told you repeatedly. You represent all that's wrong with civility on this project.  Clear off. Parrot of Doom 23:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

A long weekend away provides some perspective
Having got back from the Lakes earlier this evening I unwisely decided to check my watchlist. Just the usual whining and whinging about anything and everything, but lots about "incivility", as per normal. One in particular struck me though. Since when was sainthood a prerequisite for becoming a wikipedia policeman administrator? I'm not sure I still have the stomach for it, but I'm tired, so perhaps things will look different tomorrow. Malleus Fatuorum 21:03, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Gah, stick to articles. Articles can be fun to write, and at least you can't be blocked for making personal attacks on notable historical idiots :) Parrot of Doom 21:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

United Kingdom
To answer your question, no, most of the world has no idea that there even is a so-called 'United Kingdom'. Most people think of England as the sovereign nation, and will tell you in dead earnestness, for example, that Wales is "in England". This is an encyclopædia; it's meant to be educational. There is no need to exclude United Kingdom, United States, Netherlands, etc from the infobox. You revert quite a lot at Pink Floyd, BTW.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  23:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Bollocks, frankly, and yes I revert a lot at Pink Floyd because a lot of people add a lot of utter shite. I make no apology for it.  England is the country, the UK is the state. Parrot of Doom 23:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

It is completely relevant!
How is it not Relevant? I mean, the section was about their contract with EMI. I understand why it needs to be moved. But not removed. All I ask is that you not revert every addition I make to the articles. Good Day. -- The Doomsday Machine!   (Blastoff!)  22:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you thought it was earth-shattering news, but I'm of the opinion that not every snippet of information is relevant in an encyclopaedic article. There are plenty of places for trivia, I don't think that this should be one of them. Parrot of Doom 23:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my tone, I really do, but I believe that it is not trivia. It is actually quite important.  This is the end of a ten-year contract, and it has taken not one, but four of Pink Floyd's albums off the digital "shelves".  It is important to note this because people like me wonder what happened to the albums.  When they get a new contract, I will include the complete story, but until then, I do believe that is important to include.   And could you leave a talkback notice or something on my page, please?   The Doomsday Machine!    (Blastoff!)  00:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Then if they're wondering that, they have a very useful facility at their disposal called Google. Since when did Wikipedia become a place where one got one's news? Parrot of Doom 08:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I will have you know that when I searched it on Google, I did not find it until August Thirteenth, about a month and a half afterwords. Second of all, I agree that this is not a newspaper, but the fact is still important.  It has a pretty large amount of effect on Pink Floyd. The Doomsday Machine!    (Blastoff!)  14:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Given that a search on Google News finds only about ten reports of this, almost none of which are from high-quality sources, the media would seem to disagree with your view that its important. The only way I can see this being added to the article in a way that it makes sense is by appending it to the band's arguments with EMI, over royalties, but as the story hasn't yet run its course I don't see any need to jump to action. Parrot of Doom 14:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, you win.  The Doomsday Machine!   (Blastoff!)  18:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not the kind of person who gets offended by a good argument, and no apology is needed. I've no objection to the material being readded at some point but only (IMO) once the full story is known - ie, they're resigned.  That said, thanks for the olive branch, its a nice gesture.  I'm from the North of England so it'll take a hell of a lot to offend me :) Parrot of Doom 20:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I extend a hand in peace
 I am sorry for the argument.  The Doomsday Machine!   (Blastoff!)  has extended an olive branch of peace.

Talk:Gropecunt Lane
There are now two archives for the talk page, one from 2005 to 2009 at talk:Gropecunt Lane/archive1 and the new one at talk:Gropecunt Lane/Archive1. Cluebot III didn't recognise the first archive so created a new "first" one. I tried to move them (Archive1 -> Archive2 and archive1 -> Archive1) but the box with archive links on the talk page didn't show them both even after I purged the cache (also it broke the links on the new index), so I've moved them back. Nev1 (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I merged the old one into the new one. That should do it? Parrot of Doom 23:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, really should have been able to think of that one myself. Nev1 (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You've got your admin head on, think hammer rather than laser cutter :) Parrot of Doom 23:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Usual problem
I've got my usual problem, and yours as well I think, in deciding whether to rest William Calcraft at GAN or to press on for FAC. As we're hopefully going for FAC on Trafford Park imminently though I'm going to do what you've done with with Hanged, drawn and quartered. Tell you what, you pass mine and I'll pass yours. Malleus Fatuorum 23:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've a few articles at GAN but it all seems quite slow. Mind you Ambrose Rookwood doesn't seem to have provoked much of a stir at FAC.
 * "Calcraft also carried out the first private execution in Britain under the new law" - that might need clarifying, I know what it's saying but some might wonder about earlier private executions in the Tower of London. Parrot of Doom 23:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that's an interesting point. Malleus Fatuorum 23:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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You know this is what O'Driscoll said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.54.110 (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Do me a favour, fuckoff. Parrot of Doom 09:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Bates
Hi Parrot. I attempted a GA review here but really could find sod all to complain about. Sorry if you were hoping for more... hamiltonstone (talk) 04:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, there isn't much to write about Bates which is why I did it :) Parrot of Doom 08:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Everard Digby
Hi, I've reviewed this article, and it's now on hold. Thanks,  Aiken   &#9835;   15:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

What are you doing on Wikipedia when you could be out giddily binning cats? Nitpicking power freak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.54.110 (talk) 19:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said, fuckoff. There's a good chap. Parrot of Doom 19:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems like you've found yourself a fan. Malleus Fatuorum 20:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)