User talk:Parrot of Doom/Archives/2010/March

Well
Surprised to find that the image map was removed from Gunpowder plot. Even more surprised to find that 6 or seven other articles were damaged by a new image being loaded. I possibly missed where this was discussed. I can find no evidence at "images" or at the relevant template or even at Gunpowder plot (which looks much better). Is this a WP view or your view? I'm not sure all the editors of articles that have image maps agree with you? Did you know that you were stopping a template working when you loaded a new picture in commons? Can this be resolved? regards Victuallers (talk) 13:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The image was replaced with a higher-resolution and much higher-quality version than that which I first encountered, but I was unaware that this replacement had "broken" the template's use in other articles, so apologies for that. However, I don't necessarily see this as a problem.  I removed the template because it's use is counter-intuitive, and it doesn't really add anything to the article; in fact for most people its confusing not to be able to zoom an image simply by clicking upon it.  The names of the conspirators are linked in a few places in the article, and are listed helpfully in both the lead and the infobox.


 * As for the opinions of other editors using this template, I'm afraid since none of them have raised an objection on the article's talk page, they're completely irrelevant. Parrot of Doom 13:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the apology, that's appreciated and obviously its a fair point that some feel that its counter intuitive that clicking on an image map doesn't bring up a larger image. This was debated (unsuccessfully) previously. This can be fixed. I will assume good faith and presume you did not mean to say "I don't necessarily see this as a problem. I removed the template because it's use is counter-intuitive...". I'm guessing you phrased it wrong, as obviously stopping several articles working because one editor doesn't feel its intuitive on one article cannot be justified so easily. (I'd like to presume the apology you offered had more value.) You may feel that the software supplied by wikimedia is not appropriate but surely the idea of whether image maps are good or bad is a bit larger than this debate here.


 * Finding better images is always a problem for image maps. The last load from the National Portrait Gallery created a problem for another image map, but in that case the loader recut the image map to keep it working. Can you offer any assistance with resolving this? Victuallers (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I don't believe I made a mistake in phrasing anything. It can easily be fixed simply by uploading the higher-quality image to a different filename, and reverting the existing file.  I do not, however, believe that an image map is suitable for Gunpowder Plot, as it reeks of frippery. Parrot of Doom 20:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've never understood why you don't just say what's on your mind PoD, instead of all this beating around the bush.;-) --Malleus Fatuorum 20:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * So far this week I've had a mental neighbour leave a note on my car for the heinous crime of parking outside her house (I live in a terrace, and thus neither of us have any rights in this regard). The next time I see her landing on her broomstick she'll be receiving a sharp retort along the lines of "good morning! how are you!" with a big smiley face.  Kill them with kindness.  Secondly I've got Oldham council trying to convince me that they're allowed to contravene The Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General Regulations 2007, Schedule 1, Paras (1)(g) and (1)(h) by incorrectly printing the number of days I have to pay a parking ticket, and demanding £70 from me for the privilege.
 * So you can probably guess, I'm not in a mood right now to waffle :) Parrot of Doom 20:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Curious. I'm about to enter into a dispute with Trafford Council over the timing and phasing of trafic lights in the borough, which I believe does not meet the recommendations of the Department of Transport in its Traffic Advisory Leaflet 1/06 Part 2, thus making the junctions potentially unsafe. Admittedly I'm not doing this altruistically though, as I've just had an interview with the police about allegedly going through a red light. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 21:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Then you should most definitely head over to Pepipoo, which is chock-full of people who can help you out. Parrot of Doom 21:17, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, a good compromise Victuallers (talk) 21:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

"Too cluttered"
Was there discussion which resulted in Dick Turpin's endnotes deviating from the established style used by the vast majority of Wikipedia's articles, or was this simply personal preference? It seems like the latter is the case, in which case this should be reverted. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of Wikipedia's articles are abysmal, and this "deviation" went through FAC without comment. The MOS is a guideline, nothing more. Parrot of Doom 09:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * FAC is as much of a crapshoot as any other WP process, but I'll take it to article talk. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Take it wherever you like, but you're clearly wrong. See here, for instance, which states: " In the rare cases when it is useful to sub-divide these sections (for example, to separate a list of magazine articles from a list of books), most editors prefer to use either definition list headings (Books) or bold-faced text ("Books") instead of level 3 headings (===Books===)." How much clearer can that be said? --Malleus Fatuorum 14:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Added without discussion. I admit that I should have actually bothered to check whether the MoS had moved under my feet before going and hitting people with it, but I'd argue that addition doesn't actually represent best practice. Level 3 headings might not be a good idea, but there's nothing wrong with level 2 headings IMO. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Email
I've sent you an email. If you reply to it I'll send you a couple of articles you might find useful. Richerman (talk) 20:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I did reply to it earlier today but it may have appeared to your server as spam. I'll try again. Parrot of Doom 20:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I've sent the email now, let me know if you can see the attachments ok. Richerman (talk) 21:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it, cheers :) Parrot of Doom 22:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Talking to me
I try to avoid getting into discussion with people on a third party's talk page. You are always welcome to come and ask me anything on my talk page. Chillum (Need help? Ask me) 22:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Music of Minnesota
Greetings, Parrot of Doom. A user kindly copyedited the whole article at Music of Minnesota. I wonder if you have time to revisit your delist vote? The default is keep, I guess. Thank you again for trying to help. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I had a look at a few random sections, and I'm afraid my opinion is unchanged. It still needs a lot of work.  I appreciate this might be disappointing—I know how hard work can sometimes appear unrewarding—but it isn't currently deserving of FA.  Sorry :( Parrot of Doom 21:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for taking another look. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

April Fools
See here. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Commas (Re: Pink Floyd revision)
OK, what's the proper use of commas? I looked at Comma and WP:COMMA, but don't see a real good explanation on the right usage for sentences starting with something like "In 2007". Proper source would be appreciated, especially if there's a difference between US & UK. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarity really. By inserting a comma after the date, what are you trying to clarify?  Look at the sentence as a whole and ask yourself if it needs it.  The US usage of the comma in a date (March 1, 1990) tends to require a comma after the year.  I would argue that a comma is superfluous in UK date usage. Parrot of Doom 00:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * By inserting a comma between the subject and the verb, what are you trying to clarify? Rothorpe (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Do me a favour, don't edit my userpage again, and clear off. Parrot of Doom 17:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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MBB Canal society
I'm just going out so won't be on here for a while, but the Friends of Kersal Moor will be having a celebration day in May - probably on the Bank Holiday. There'll be quite a bit going on and a number of local groups will be having stands, so I was wondering if the canal society would be interested in having one. Also, would you know if thw Manchester Geographical Society do that sort of thing? I seem to remember that you know Paul Hindle. Richerman (talk) 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there a website or anything I could link him to, or contact details? I can email Paul if you give me a couple more details.  Kersal isn't that far from the canal.  What's the celebration about? Parrot of Doom 21:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't reply yesterday as I went to a funeral of a good friend and wasn't really up to much afterwards. The Friends of Kersal Moor are a group I'm involved with who help to manage the moor with the Salford Rangers. We've had a red plaque made to commemorate the Chartist rallies held on the moor in 1838 and it's being unveiled by the mayor on 3rd May. There will be an event along with that to include traditional fairground games, clowns, activities like bat box making, circus skills, craft stalls, and stalls for campaigning groups such as Friends of the Earth, Amnesty, Fairtrade etc. and local groups such as Prestwich Heritage, Friends of Heaton Park etc. We're also hoping to have the Besses Boys Band and the Manchester Choir singing the "Song of the Great Demonstration" which was written for the rallies. I thought the MMB canal society would fit in well and I'd really like to see the MGS there as the moor is an interesting bit of fluvioglacial landscape and Paul has produced that paper on the Irwell valley. We had a small event to publicise the moor and it's history last year, which was quite successful, and we're hoping to have one every year. We don't have a website yet. If you're interested I'll get the contact details for one of the events committee members. Richerman (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've emailed him a link to this thread. Parrot of Doom 08:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! - thanks
 * Its probably juuuust a little bit too far from the canal, and they have some stalls going at other events so I doubt they'll be attending. I might pop around for a visit though, I go riding around Drinkwater Park and Kersal Moor is just up the road.  Let me know the date when you do. Parrot of Doom 18:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for trying - maybe I'll see you there. Richerman (talk) 01:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Nick Griffin
On the contrary. If what present-day students think about his being at Cambridge is irrelevant, then so is what he did there apart from his political activity and study. His regard for certain boxers is totally irrelevant (and if it's not, let's also have his favourite colour, the name of his dog and star sign as well). Emeraude (talk) 13:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Phil Woolas makes mention of his regard for certain sporting teams as a quick example. This seems normal practice, is reported in reliable sources and makes for relevant material in a biography. --Jza84 | Talk  13:09, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Emeraude disagreed with the removal of content from Nick Griffin (discussed and agreed on the talk page), and then seemingly "retaliated" with this edit.


 * The discussion on the article's talk page summarises my views on the first matter quite clearly, but to suggest that Griffin's experiences while at university are somehow as irrelevant as a modern poll published by a student newspaper (and designed to do nothing but slur his name), in a WP:BLP of all things, is... well I simply don't have the words. Parrot of Doom 13:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Job done
Now we've got a whole year to think of something even more unlikely. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that, but I have a few candidates :) By the way I'm almost done filling out the story for Elizabeth Canning.  I appreciate its a mammoth read but if you have any thoughts on the overall structure, please let me know.  If I can get this to FA then that's three notorious and once-famous 18th-century English cases brought up to spec. Parrot of Doom 22:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in out of nowhere, but I have admired both you and Parrot of Doom's articles from afar, particulary those on the more unusual subjects. I stumbled upon this a few days ago, and thought it may interest you both. The article is on a rather whimsical murder tale and is in need of some TLC. Regards,  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 23:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I nominate London Monster, although AFAIK Bondeson's is the only book on the subject. – iride  scent  23:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There are so many. Spring Heeled Jack is one.  Devil's Footprints is a favourite tale of mine, having read it as a child.  The 18th and 19th centuries are great sources for some wonderful stories. Parrot of Doom 23:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm slightly dubious about some of Bondeson's stuff; what he's written about the Manchester Mummy, for instance, seems a little over imaginative to me. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I might have a go at the Monster myself in fact, once I'm done with the two bloated monstrosities currently taking shape; I have the book floating about somewhere. – iride  scent  23:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Be careful. I started Mary Toft for a laugh.  Then through that I came across Cock Lane ghost.  Then through that I came across Elizabeth Canning and The Bottle Conjuror.  It never ends... Parrot of Doom 23:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Elizabeth Canning is a great article. FAC now I say. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * A fair bit to go yet, maybe another week or so. There are a lot of loose ends to chop off, and a few little bits (such as Canning's fits) to explain.  Its a very complicated story and I've regretted taking it on on more than one occasion! Parrot of Doom 23:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you ever heard of the Zulu Principle? You're very likely the only person on the planet who has so much information on Elizabeth Canning in their head right now, so what you see as work to be done us mere mortals might see as gilding the lily. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I have a bit of cutting to do, there are instances of people's names mentioned, who don't figure later in the story. I have a good idea about how things happened, I just have to make sure that uninvolved readers don't get confused by all the skullduggery. Parrot of Doom 00:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW Phyrrus I'll stick that page in my bookmarks and have a look at it in a while. Parrot of Doom 23:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I'll take a rain check on that one. It's got the word "Irish" in it. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Parks and Recreation (season 1)
Hey Parrot of Doom. Since the last FAC, Parks and Recreation (season 1) has gone through another PR and another copy edit by myself. I think I've addressed the previous prose issues and I've renominated it for FAC. So far, however, it's gotten very little comments, and I'm worried that it might not pass simply for inactivity. Would you mind taking a look at the nomination again and weighing in? Thanks, much appreciated! —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  04:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You may be worrying unduly; FAC is a bit busy right now, and there seems to be a lack of committed reviewers. I have my own theories on why this is so, but I'd say that you're in with a good chance of the article seeing FA at some point.  A lack of objections on its previous FAC is a good sign, in my opinion.  Articles at FAC often fail because of a long list of minor problems, and since I think you've sorted nearly all of these out you should have an easier time now. Parrot of Doom 23:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Nick Griffin
Hi my edits keep gettin reverted on that Nick griffin article but I am actually right, it quotes a article without quotation marks. i dont want to break the 3 revert rule —Preceding unsigned comment added by No autoaim (talk • contribs) 23:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Your edits are being reverted because they are incorrect. The wording does not quote the article, it paraphrases it.  The wording could be improved, however. Parrot of Doom 23:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)