User talk:Parsecboy/Sandbox

Rape during the liberation of France
It is the preexisting ideological bias I am correcting. Alleged is not a valid acceptable form of proof. It is conjecture and speculation. The purpose of the passage I edited is to strongly suggest there was racial bias or prejudice involved. However, there is not one shred of actual evidence presented in the passage to suggest racial bias.

By the way, I am an actual historian. I would mark down the grade of any student who presented a passage like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcher77 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Somehow I don't believe that. An actual historian would understand that history is simply a set of arguments - you do nothing to advance your cause by trying to pretend the other side does not exist. Parsecboy (talk) 16:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Prinz Eugen
I would love the chance to correspond with you regarding the Prinz Eugen. I grew up on Kwajalein island and have dived on the wreck many times (fantastic dive site). I'm also an eager student of German naval history (and therefore love Gröner's work), I've tried to change the date of the propeller removal to 1978 (as I was a witness to the removal) and had it reverted back. From my interpretation of Gröner, he states that the installation was made in Germany in 1979, which would make sense as it was removed in 1978, stayed on our dock for a few weeks, then was shipped to Germany and installed the following summer. I have stories from our local paper dated from 1978 that I can post to the article (pictures of the removal as well). I just don't want to make the changes just to see another reversion. Would you care to discuss this in more depth? Choppes (talk) 00:48, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm more than a little jealous of you ;) I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to dive a wreck like Prinz Eugen. If you can post the details from the newspaper, along with info for the citation, I'd be happy to help with formatting, or if you just want to post it here, I'll make the change. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Graf Spee
Thank you for your comments: but I do not know how to Ref a fact that I know only from photos:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=graf+spee++arado+aircraft&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3vfXg09vJAhXGWRQKHesZCR8Q_AUIBygB&biw=1632&bih=866#imgrc=NGpBwknz6SLUeM%3A

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=graf+spee++arado+aircraft&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3vfXg09vJAhXGWRQKHesZCR8Q_AUIBygB&biw=1632&bih=866#imgrc=6SFcs2MJ5CkzsM%3A

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=graf+spee++arado+aircraft&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=md5uVtqBK8jca4rxnKgH

It is plain from these that Bidlingmaier, p. 88. is incorrect, as the skeleton of the Arado 196 was still aboard when the ship reached Montevideo.

Another web source (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archive/index.php?t-8932.html) claims there was only one Arado on the 1939 sortie:

Seaplanes 30th May 2007, 10:45 On its sortie to the South Atlantic in the autumn of 1939, the "Admiral Graf Spee" carried only one aircraft which also was the normal equipment for this cruiser. This was Ar 196A-1 W.Nr. 0014 (code not known) of Bordfliegerstaffel 1./196. The aircraft was destroyed during the battle with British naval forces off Montevideo on 13.12.1939. During this action, the pilot, Uffz. Bongards, was killed. The "Admiral Graf Spee" was scuttled in the River Plate estuary on 17.12.1939, and the remaining crew interned. The observer of W.Nr. 0014, Oblt.z.See Detlef Spiering, was interned in Argentina but returned to Germany on 05.06.1940. The unit code of 1./196 was T3+-H. The code L2+X-- was used by the 10.(See)/Lehrgeschwader 2 which was a kind of test unit equipped with a variety of seaplanes.

If this is true. the photos show it was impossible that the seaplane was discarded overboard before the Battle, whatever the reference claims.

Please help me to sort this out!

Rupert N


 * Odd for Bidlingmaier to be wrong - I guess everybody makes errors sometimes. I think we have it sorted out now. Parsecboy (talk) 12:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Mahan-class destroyer
If you have the time, would you mind looking at the recent edits to the Mahan-class destroyer (about fictional ships) to see whether or not, in your view, these additions are appropriate for this article. And at the method used for recording citations to see whether they are consistent with those used in the article. Thank you. Pendright (talk) 00:56, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Pendright - I'll have a look, but I generally take a dim view toward pop culture stuff in articles. Parsecboy (talk) 11:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and cut it - the book isn't all that significant (nor is the upcoming movie - I often wonder if these sorts of additions are part if a viral marketing campaign). There are some cases where fictional depictions make sense (like with Yamato), but the run of the mill "it was in book X" sort of additions don't pass muster. Parsecboy (talk) 11:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you made the correct call- thanks for doing the heavy lifting. Hopefully, all is well in your real life. Best wishes - Pendright (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2020 (UTC)