User talk:Passion UAV

November 2020

 * Care to explain? I'm not seeing an obvious connection to any other user. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 14:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Passion UAV - are you aware of our paid editing policy? Were you paid for any of your edits? — O Still Small Voice of Clam 22:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes I know the Paid policy of Wikipédia, I never get paid for what i'm doing. I'm a engineer in UAV design (and a drone pilot, and aircraft pilot) and I just want to contribute to articles related to UAV (such as "Distrubed propulsion" & "eVTOL" because it's a field i know pretty much as a drone engineer). Maybe doesn't understand the article "Draft: Neva Athena Series" since it quotes a company that manufactures drones, but all my information comes from articles, and I discovered this turbine in the air and space museum in Angers.


 * Note to reviewing admins: Bilby has emailed me information that may point to this being an undisclosed paid editor, and possibly a sock of other blocked paid editors. I admit this is outside my area of expertise, so I will leave this request open for other admins to review. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 16:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok...I really don't understand whats going on with my account. Thank you for trying to help me. Bilby seems to have some doubts about the legitimacy of my account, but once again I certify that I only have this account on wikipedia and always publish according to verified sources. I would be interested in communicating with to change this situation. Passion UAV 17:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Passion UAV, you have made edits to three articles: Distributed propulsion, EVTOL and Neva Athena Series. All three invovled adding text, references and links to Neva Aerospace . This included photos of Neva Aerospace products and a link to a Neva Aerospace patent. It looks very much like you are connected to Neva Aerospace. - Bilby (talk) 00:55, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

And I better understand what you block me... As a professional UAV pilot, I have already flown a mission for ESP (France) using Neva UAVs (UK). So it turned out that I had access to documentation and was able to take pictures of the drones I flew. But I've never been under contract with Neva, I don't know him. On the other hand, it seemed interesting to me to bring to the wikipedia pages information about the drones I could fly and the technology used because I got to know it well and it was not yet mentioned on the eVTOL and Distributed Propulsion pages. Now you've removed my contribution on the Distributed Propulsion page, but it only quoted Neva once for the patent, the rest of the contribution being very detailed and filling a gap. Today the article only refers to a thesis that has not given rise to any norm/legislation, why not strick this article, because it spreads a point of view that is not used in the uav field and is a very singular and erroneous vision of distributed propulsion. The same goes for eVTOL, my reorganization of the article was I think an interesting contribution. All this to say, that I maintain that I am not paid by Neva Aerospace, that yes I was already in contact with their machine via the company ESP, that I know well the distributed propulsion because I am a uav engineer, and that I thought I was doing an interesting job and respecting the rules of Wikipedia. Now I remain at your disposal to deepen the subject. Sincerely Passion UAV 11:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry - I don't want to stretch this out needlessly, so I'll try to be clear. It is obvious that you were paid to insert Nevo Aerospace into multiple pages, so at best this is undisclosed paid editing, and a block is warranted on those grounds. In addition, the people hired to edit on behalf of Nevo Aerospace were both long-term paid editors who are currently banned, so there's that. - Bilby (talk) 22:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

So you start from the fact that I'm paid, you say "obvious" so I guess you have irrefutable proof, I'll be curious to get it...because no matter how hard I try to convince you and defend myself from the fact that I'm doing this just out of passion, obviously you don't seem ready to change your mind.... You can say what you want about the quotes I've done on Neva, the work I've done around it, about 90% of it, whether it's the layout, the search for information in the NASA and EASA reports doesn't even seem to interest you. It seems that you didn't even take the time to check what I had written in the articles, you did like a blocking on the word "Neva", so I wonder about the impartiality of your judgment...but considering your rank in the hierarchy I feel like I'm fighting for nothing. It's very sad to reach this point...I didn't know that Wikipedia practiced obstruction of information, which is quite unfortunate given the times we live in. Sincerely Passion UAV 11:15, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not seeing any sort of connection to any other editor (this is the reason specified for the block). Nor am I seeing a technical similarity to any blocked editor that's edited the same pages. Are you able to clarify? SQL Query me!  23:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , it is mostly based on off-wiki evidence. In June this year Neva Aerospace hired two long-term undisclosed paid editors through Upwork. Both people have had multiple sock accounts indefinitly blocked, but continue to do UPE jobs on Wikipedia using new socks. The jobs were specifically to add Neva Aerospace to the articles Distributed propulsion, eVTOL and Urban air mobility, and to create a new article about Neva Aerospace. After those jobs were accepted, Passion UAV added Neva Aerospace to Distributed propulsion and eVTOL, and created an article about a Neva Aerospace product. The additions included a photo of a Neva test product ; a link and reference to a patent owned by Neva ; and a link to an article based on a Neva press release . They did also add other content, but Passion UAV's edits have been exclusively to articles specified in the job ads, and I can find no other editors who have added Neva to those articles. Recently, one of the jobs on Upwork was closed as successful. - Bilby (talk) 08:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Bilby, thank you for these elements that allow me to better understand the situation. I really think that I am a victim of collateral damage (in the wrong place at the wrong time), and that I am suffering the consequences of a dispute with Neva.I really don't want to lose all my contribution on the Distributed Propulsion and eVTOl articles, that's why, considering the situation, I propose to continue my contribution on the UAV related pages without ever quoting Neva again (you can check, but so far I've been good from the "block", so you can try to trust me). My previous contributions being based a lot on information from NASA and EASA, I would just have to remove the few references to Neva (and the 2/3 related information, especially the photos I may have taken) to republish my research work. If you have the opportunity to call a wikipedia aeronautics expert, I think he will tell you that my summary was correct and corrected bad information (especially on the distributed propulsion page which relates non-viable information). Again I confirm that I am a passionate and expert in the field of UAVs, it would be really interesting if we could find some common ground. Now that I have understood your doubts and the problems you may have with Neva, I will make sure to adapt to the situation in my next contributions. Sincerely. Passion UAV 9:10, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * : Some update on my case ? No response from bilby for 13 days now...I'm still looking for getting unblocked...[User:Passion UAV|Passion UAV]] 11:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Passion UAV, the problem is not that you edited to add material on Neva, so removing that material would not solve the issue. The problem is that a banned editor was hired to do work which you completed, indicating that either you are working on behalf of Neva or the banned editor. - Bilby (talk) 12:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)