User talk:Pastorwilliam

Your bias really shows through....too bad-sad really that as a Christian you have so much hatred in you towards a man of God who was a blessing to many MILLIONS over 25 years and most likely to you also....

Stop hiding, would Jesus want you to hide? How many years was Pastor Oostermann a blessing to you? And millions? Just a little stretching of the truth...perhaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradlevinstein (talk • contribs) 14:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hiding, bias? Look in the mirror Bradlevinstein, Joey Levitate, RLThorpe, TrueDominican? (hmm) What would Jesus do? Great question!... He'd likely say get back to ministry, this ain't it. ) LOL... what a silly distraction this Wikipedia thing is. Hatred? Not at all, disbelief really. It's like a freak show, laughable really (the subject matter isn't laughable... its the soapbox and positioning which is laughable). The defence being touted is insane... that is clear. It's truth, error, and half-stories mixed all together to paint a picture favorable to one person (and that really is dangerous... when you mix truth and error... it spells craftiness... not a great virtue). A normal history writing technique for sure... but the defence is self-condemning... more remedial work needed I guess. Make sure that other pedophile never gets mentioned, that would just introduce even more lunacy to the defence. Mr. Bradlevinstein, no offense being taken. My hope is restored relationships by all affected. Some has happened already. Sadly some on both sides are still stubborn. Your prayers appreciated on that front too. All the best to you... really, and I mean that. I don't really plan on continuing a conversation here... so whatever you come back with will likely just have to sit there unresponded. Again, no hatred... just wish things weren't the way they were. :) It's too bad you can't my face to see how genuine I mean that too. (do i have moments where I slip and get upset?... sure! we all do, we're human.. but they are brief and life goes on... all this crap is a much more distant memory these days). (HIDING)

According to the Sun Articles, that one person Mr. Oosterman, is the only one who has publicly acknowledged responsibility. The rest are too arrogant. Andrew B knew from the start. Of course he still supports the pedophile in the pulpit. The second event, (did not you and your few friends in the FIGHT claim there were three –was that true or a lie) I hear that Deacon Mc Niece new early November, but kept his mouth shut until he needed to get people angry in February. He was taking time off to recover and could not be bothered to inform any one. These sad events proves one simple truth “Strike the Shepherd and the sheep scatter”.

Total effect: Another church closed. Hundreds of saints hurt. Another pastor and family destroyed. To God be the glory! Satan used you and others. Follow God’s Word in dealing with trouble in the church? That is optional. Or rather, who cares, let’s do it our (Satan’s) way. No wonder that more than 50% of pastors quit after a few years in ministry, and 60% of those who remain would like to. Why? Christians who serve Satan more than Jesus, like Peter when he rebuked Jesus.

Reconciliation is good. Keep in mind, any reconciliation that does not involve a clear admission of sin and responsibility, and a restored relationship, is total BS and not Scriptural. BL

Dear Farson Quest, You are hiding behind a false identity. It is time I cleared a few things up. In your case, what I write will only help if you can shed your heavy biases and look at the facts. I appreciate BL’s way of confronting you with inconvenient truths. But he does not know the details I do.

1. The covenant was submitted, as demanded by Jean-Marc, in writing. All of it. A copy was handed to the church Clerk to be included in the minutes. It was a complete detailed covenant. That is what the church approved by a 98% vote. That is what would have prevented any split at all and saved the church, if they (about 10 serious rebels) had not immediately began a campaign to have me tossed out as soon as possible.

2. Contact would be “kept to a minimum”, not to give the church relief from their pastor, as you suggest, but to give the pastor much needed and essential time to deal with the medical treatment and emotional/physical breakdown caused by the Pegatron and by stress.

3. I have the 3 hours of tapes of the meeting. You r memory is biased and thus faulty. I can understand. It was our years ago. The first motion was made properly. It was a wise and workable solution. Jean-Marc and his vicious wife (listen to the tapes – they will be posted online in the near future) immediately tried to have that motion tabled and another one brought forward to dismiss the pastor, Even thought this is totally against Scripture (there never were any Biblical charges brought then or later) and against the Westboro Constitution, the next hour and a half was wasted in discussing the procedural motion to table. Eventually it was rejected (rightly) and finally the original motion was voted on. It was passed by 98% and my wife and I went home to recover. The two people who voted against it later said the should have supported it. It is all on tape. Ann Minion later phoned our house demanding that I return to listen to their tirades. What cruelty, what viciousness. Thank God I did not have the bodily or emotional strength to return and participate in that very sinful “debate”. Two year later I listened to the three hours of tapes. I was amazed, stunned, that people who I thought of as good mature Christians could be so full of hatred and evil. It is really frightening.

4. The next day I went to the office to collect some papers needed to file income tax and for unemployment as required by the disability insurance. The phone rang and based on 12 years of habit, I picked it up. You would have done the same. It was an involuntary reaction. Do not ever before God or man declare that as breaking the covenant, as the rebels did. I spoke for a couple minutes to the caller and then remembered the situation and said I had to go. A member of the Christian school staff came by to share a word of encouragement. That is not breaking the covenant at all. These two single events were later used against me by wicked people intent on destruction. Did you know that the decision to lock me out was made after the Monday meeting, the night before. The leaders of the rebellion were already at work to have me voted out, and they could not wait 10 months. How stupid of them. My wife and I did pray that God would make the wicked stupid. When they changed the locks, many members became very concerned at the wickedness of these new leaders intent on taking over so Lawrence could be pastor. Lawrence, according to a disability committee member, added himself to the panel the night of the vote and immediately asked that the locks be changed as he “was afraid of” the Pastor. That was before I accidentally answered the phone.

5. Minimum contact would never mean people cannot come over to pray and encourage us. We so very much needed that fellowship. Minimum contact would mean I was not longer WORKING as a pastor. What can I o when Andrea B. shows up at my door the next morning, in tears. Should I have shut the door in her face? I could not do that and face Jesus Christ. So we invited her in and prayed with her. For that I am to be terminated? What ludicrous wickedness.

6. The facts are there. A few people (not majority who loved and respected their pastor) decided to replace him with Roy Lawrence. They could not until wait ten months. Back in January Jean-Marc promised to wait with his meeting attacking the pastor till he got back. He promised Ken Andersen he would wait. Then he and his friends called a meeting for fasting and prayer and lured an unsuspecting congregation into this ambush. He lied and connived. So did his friends. It is why God kicked them all out of Westboro. Sadly, so many saints were damaged by this unholy and uncivil war. The Bloodbath I pleaded for Sunday morning, at the foot of the cross, where there is a fountain filled with blood, was rejected by the angry William haters. They, and they alone, chose the other bloodbath I warned about in that very significant sermon. You, Farson, and so many others suffered. My wife and I will suffer daily until we go to be with Jesus.

7. Did I make mistakes? Of course. For twelve years I led this church in a time of great and blessed growth. I went on medication for Hep-C and put bulletin inserts in to inform people of the severe side effects. I pleaded with the Board for patience. Instead they drove me harder. Gerry in one email regretted the “William bashing” taking place during this time. I started the treatment Nov. 1, 2003. I asked for time off and it was denied. They knew they could not vote me out. Perhaps they could break me and I would quit. They had been trying that during the summer, under pressure from Jean-Marc since January 2003. During a time when the doctors said I had suffered a complete physical and emotional breakdown, I am attacked. And then, for the next years I am vilified for how I reacted. No wonder the world despises Christians. I came very close to turning away from the church and Christ. I understand why so many do.

8. The night I went on the doctor ordered disability, I read out a statement asking for forgiveness and asking for understanding. To date, I am the ONLY ONE to ever admit wrong or ask for forgiveness in that whole mess. After four years, the others still refuse.

9. You actually do the typical dance. In your comments you actually blame the terrible sins of the rebels on my remaining in contact with a few people who loved me and wanted Dorothy and I to be OK. How sad. By the end of that first week, when it was clear they had called a meeting to have me dismissed, I did what so many asked of me. Endangering my own health, against doctors orders, I fought against this evil and God gave us the victory. Not only did they all leave (stealing with lies some good people) they took with them as their Pastor the man about to be revealed as a Predatory Pedophile. God shamed them before all of Ottawa and the world. They in their pride refused to see that and still insist on having this man preach on a regular basis. What fools God has turned them into.

10. These people who loved us saw the evil at work. I had already totally decided to leave at the end of the ten months. I called Jim Clemens the same night the meeting was held granting me disability, and I told him (and a few other friends) I would never go back to Westboro. Andrea came over the next morning in tears, pleading with me to stay. A number of others also came to pray with us and ask us to stay. In the end I submitted, and agreed to stay and fight against the evil doers, the witch-crafters, the rebels, and fight for what is right and true. God knows it took years off my life to stay and fight. I turned down a solid offer to pastor a church of 200 in the USA. The same week I went on disability they asked me to come to them as soon as I was able. I said no due to the sense of duty and love to the 25 people who asked me to stay. I regret some of my responses. I will no even blame the medicine. But God honoured us and the rebels were out with their pedophile pastor.

As far as the second crisis, like the first there were no Biblical charges. Like the first, those angry people shouted their way through a Sunday afternoon meeting of the saints, totally destroying the body of Christ and breaking thousands of clear Biblical commands. I preached on 1 Cor. 13 that morning, on Christian love. Tim and Angie smirked and joked the whole time. They damned themselves if God is true. Pastor Evans said “That was the best sermon on love I have ever heard”. An hour later we faced the most ungodly display of hatred possible.

Women took over. Andrea, Kathy, Angie, they actually had called the police to our church meeting, without telling the Pastor or Board. Talk about unholy! The meeting itself was not properly called and I should have shut it down immediately.

That week I received a number of abusive calls from Tim and Paul. As an employee I had grounds for a very Labour Board serious and legitimate complaint of harassment. As a flower of Christ, I said no way. I was threatened. I was told by Paul, literally screaming at me (ask his kids) “You resign and we will give you $10,000. If you do not resign we will fire you anyway and you will get nothing”. What ungodly people! My son Joel checked the government web site, which proved the minimum required was some $23,000.

I could have stayed. They had 8 votes, I had 16. They needed 18 votes. There was not way I was going to fight another such battle so I resigned. My wife to this day feels that was a huge mistake. If we had stayed the church would now have 100 or more people, based on past growth under my ministry.

Tim, Angie, Andrea, Kathy, they got what they wanted. And they destroyed the church for good. As God said “Strike the Shepherd, and the sheep will scatter”. Will Christians never learn? I suppose as long as there is a church, there will be wolves in sheep’s clothing and attacks on the Pastors will be inevitable.

Farson Quest, you, along with hundreds, have been hurt. That is obvious from what your write. Perhaps in time you will be able to be more objective. The first split and the second rebellion (no split, I did as demanded by Tim, Angie, Andrea, Kathy, Paul and resigned. I hope some day you will be able to look back and remember the 3 years of blessing, the hundreds who were saved and joined, the thousands of edifying sermons preached, the many thousands of hours of spiritual private counsel given, and thank God for those years and that ministry. It was unique, even as I am not a typical pastor (and that is what really made Jean-Marc angry) and never fit the mould. God knows why, but my ministry as a pastor in Canada was terminated by the viciousness of so-called saints. I had offers of other churches. I said no can do.

I remember my wife and I and kids hauling hundreds of heavy boxes of paper, tracts, books out of the church basement, up the back stairs and down to the van and trailer. And moving my library. Juan Luegas non-santos, Tim Mceice, Aaron Geyer, Paul Beachamp, all REFUSED to lift a finger to help. It took to visits and over ten hours of heavy lugging. MY wife was not supposed to pick up heavy objects and I mentioned that and asked for help. Aaron would have but was ordered not to by vicious Tim. These men stand condemned before God and man for cruelty beyond measure. Jesus said "If you enemy asks you to carry a load one mile, go two". Your ENEMY!!!!!!!! Here the pastor who has nurtured your soul, his wife who as shown so much love over the years, be damned if they would life a finger to help. Such cruelty is only found in Christian circles. In the world, they are nto that cruel and vicious. NO wonder God damned their efforts to keep the church open after abusing their pastor and his wife in such a damnable manner. They will answer to God for their cruel abuse of God's servant.

Our ministry in the Dominican Republic has been a refreshing change. I have more opportunities to preach than I know what to do with. I have been asked to start Theology courses for the many local pastors who have no training. We are learning Spanish and I hope to be preaching in Spanish within two years.

Last night my wife and I and Ruth went for a walk on the beach. The full moon was awesome. We live here, blessed and refreshed by God’s grace and by the hundreds of people who used to sit under my ministry in the various churches I pastored and who stay in touch. We had a couple from Sault Ste. Marie, members of the church I pastored there, stay for a week. What a blessing.

Farson, forgive me if in any way I failed you as your pastor. Perhaps someday when I am visiting we can come together to heal.

Accepted by Christ and In Christ

Pastor William Oosterman cabaretewilliam@hotail.com Pastorwilliam (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)