User talk:Patar knight/Archive 22

deletion of Easypolicy Insurance page is uncalled for
I fail to understand why my page was deleted without any information to me.

Please take a look at the following pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankBazaar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policybazaar

I can recite many other pages too.

Please reply with a satisfactory answer as you have undone my 2 hours of work in a callous manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlokEP (talk • contribs) 10:04, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Both of those pages are in much better shape than your draft, since they are neutrally worded, while your draft used obviously promotional language such as "Easypolicy.com is a significant insurance intermediary in India." I would recommend following the advice given to you at Talk:Easypolicy Insurance, declaring any paid conflicts of interest and submitting a draft through Articles for Creation. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Changes reverted
Hi, I recently made a change to the Wikipedia page of Lisgar Collegiate Institute and you reverted it. It turns out that my change was correct (source: I go to that school). Could you please revert it? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.16.228.125 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Saw the name "Ironmonger-Wong" being added and instantly thought it was vandalism. I've re-added you're correct information and fixed the infobox as well. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

RE Tanner Fox
Perhaps the Fox page should be SALTed as the last AFD was the THIRD successful one (see here). Yours, Quis separabit? 05:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It was actually the first one, the previous two deletions were speedies of pages much worse than this one (one of which is unclear if it is even the same person). Since the current version is much better than the one deleted in November 2016, I'm not going to salt this. If this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, there's no reason to salt, since recreation is infrequent. If it does get recreated in its current state, there's WP:G4. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:01, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/N4 (record producers)
Hello. I am puzzled by relisting this AfD discussion. There is a clear consensus, as I understand the policies on determining consensus. Four editors, backed by policy arguments, arguing against one that is blatantly mis-construing policies through quoting out-of-context fragments and engaging in borderline personal attacks and serious bludgeoning of the argument would seem to constitute consensus as it is normally achieved in AfD discussions. I think relisting is just an invitation for the WP:TE editor to continue demanding everyone else satisfy their arbitrary and unsupportable standards for supposed notability. Thank you for your service in this difficult admin area. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:45, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's definitely leaning delete, but I decided to relist because the overall number of voters was not high and nearly half of the keep !voter's argumentation was presented in the AFD after the last delete !vote. So in the interest of allowing people to review the latest arguments and to prevent it from being taken to DRV merely for people not having had an opportunity to consider those points, I decided to relist it. Per WP:RELIST, relisted XFDs don't have to stay open for the full 7-days, and can be closed if there is sufficient consensus, say if the next couple of votes do not stray from the current pattern. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply, but I'm confident that editor will take it to DRV anyway. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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Payrexx Page Deletion
Hello Patar knight,

You have deleted the page Payrexx, Can you please explain the reason so I can improve this and make it live again.

Thanks Aspries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspries (talk • contribs) 17:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see the community discussion at Articles for deletion/Payrexx and click through to the policies and guidelines cited by the participants WP:CORP, WP:CORPDEPTH, and WP:GNG. Also, if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, you must disclose that before any further edits. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Unlinking Tanga.com after AFD closure
Tanga is a DAB page. Should the entry for this deleted article be deleted altogether instead of simply being unlinked? DMacks (talk) 03:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Looking further, I think a bunch of the other links were in See also sections, which likewise should have been removed instead of unlinked. I wonder if these are two known limitations (or bugs) in User:Evad37/XFDcloser? DMacks (talk) 03:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've removed the relevant entries before clicking through to this notification. It's not that hard to do manually, which I tend to do, because in some contexts removal isn't necessary (e.g. cast lists). But yeah, entries in DABs and See Also sections should be removed. Is there a way to do this automatically I know the script does this for links in templates already?  Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick fix (and thanks in general for AFD work)! DMacks (talk) 04:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Voice of doom
Hello Patar knight,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Voice of doom for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

scope_creep (talk) 21:51, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've restored the page. It was a good redirect (nickname of Canadian broadcaster Lorne Greene) for eight years before it was overwritten. Cases like this is why checking the history of any page you tag/delete for speedy deletion is the best practice. Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Curious why you removed the photo of Lauren Southren with the Deus Vult T shirt. do you deny it is a white supremacist slogan? or do you feel the Economist is a insufficient source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Povertyiswrong (talk • contribs) 21:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Lauren Southern bio
why did you take this part out? it was a big part of boosting her profile. −	Southern posted unverified and incorrect rumours from 4chan that the January 2017 Quebec City mosque shooting had been carried out by Syrian refugees, and later deleted those tweets and apologized.
 * I did not remove it, I was the one who re-worded it and added the Maclean's source. It was Antique Rose who removed it. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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B4 clarification
A clarification to WP:UP/RFC2016 § B4 has been proposed. You participated in that discussion; your input is welcome at User pages/RfC for stale drafts policy restructuring/B4 clarification. Thanks, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 15:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Further to this edit except for a couple obvious and open test cases last year, there has been no moving of userpages to mainspace to facilitate deletion. What does happen is occasionally pages moved to mainspace get deleted at some point. Over 80% of mainspace pages by new users get deleted within 6 months (See NPP talk pages). Similarly at least 80-90%% of AfC submissions get deleted eventially. Over 80% of abandoned page by new users I've moved from userspace continue to exist a year later User:Legacypac/Promotions which proves I've been selecting and promoting the best pages I can find. Creating a special complex rule for handling deleted pages based on origin seems inappropriate. Legacypac (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Given that the community deemed your judgement on what drafts were appropriate to move into mainspace so poor that it indefinitely topic banned you from doing so, I'm not buying this defence. Processes exist for quickly getting rid of the most problematic drafts. Lots of drafts are crap. That doesn't mean you should facilitate the moving of crap into the mainspace. In any case, I wouldn't point to a high survival rate of your moves of drafts to mainspace as any indication that the resulting articles are okay. For such moves, it's likely that the only competent editor who will review or even see the new article is the one moving it to mainspace. Taking a quick look, many of the articles have several problems with them, and might have to be deleted, but I'll wait until the end of the RFC before doing anything. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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User talk:Stephadams07
Hi! I noticed that you deleted User talk:Stephadams07 while clearing up the redirects to Steph Adams. I think the user talk page had a couple of ordinary messages on it, and shouldn't have been deleted. Could you check, please? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:33, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the script caught that. I've restored it. : Would it be possible to not delete user talk pages via G8 if the userpage redirects to the deleted page? Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:56, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of HereandNow from Lisa Batey wiki page
Hi Mr Knight. I would like to let you know that Lisa Batey was on one of the first live stream life webcast called HereandNow I don't know why anyone would delete that from her page as I am witness to what happened in Oberlin Ohio. I am asking you humbly reverse that as it is part of history and she was the one who was a participant to it.

Ulysses Scott Adkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CD:C002:1F3D:6476:32F9:99BA:D172 (talk) 21:38, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see Articles for deletion/Lisa Batey (2nd nomination), which resulted in a consensus to delete the page. Deletions can be challenged at WP:DRV. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of article for Lisa Batey
Hello, I'm writing to enquire why the article relating to Lisa Batey/ here and now.net and livecasting has been deleted. This is internet history, the documentation of a personality intrinsically involved with the transition from still cams to full motion full audio and the progress beyond to mobile casting (Justin.tv etc) and robots. Lisa and the rest of the crew from here and now.net were pioneers in the online live video medium in 1999, when frac t-1's could push a signal that the common 28 and 56 k routers of the day weren't even ready to handle, when broadcasting and posting one's life was seen as crazy. Look at us all now!

I would like to understand why this history and person is considered inconsequential.

Thank you 81.171.110.74 (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see Articles for deletion/Lisa Batey (2nd nomination), which resulted in a consensus to delete the page. Deletions can be challenged at WP:DRV. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War
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New move request for New York
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Church cantata
You moved Church cantata (Bach) to Bach church cantatas. If that stays it effects several navboxes that needed to be changed. However, I created Bach cantata and defended the term (see the talk page), but I never heard "Bach church cantata". Any source for that use? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Just curiosity, after it was moved back. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Naturally, any church cantata composed by Bach would be a "Bach church cantata" just like how a symphony written by Beethoven would be referred to as a "Beethoven symphony". Searching for the term for example, yields many hits in Google Books.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * It is not "naturally". The terms "Beethoven symphony" and "Verdi Requiem" are considered colloquial by project classical music, and should not be used. Most entries of what I see on the Google search say "Bach's church cantatas". That might be acceptable, but please discuss instead of edit-warring. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Colloquial terms are natural. I will defer to whatever the WikiProject prefers to use in this case, since I have no desire to get mired down on this issue. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Extended confirmed protection of Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Geneva Agreements
Hi Patar knight, just saw your ECP protection of this page and I wanted to point out a couple things. The first is that extended confirmed protection can only be used where semi protection will be ineffective (in this instance it's an IP so semi would work). The second is that since this is a single IP editor it might be more effective just to warn and block them than to protect the title. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I feel like that requirement is meant in the context of protecting articles and other pages, which has a natural progression of protection levels, and not in the context of page creation. Otherwise, there's a perverse incentive to fully protect all salted pages even when it is unnecessary. In many cases, semi-protection would be effective, but admins still use full protection, which is less restrictive in how it can be applied, just in case. If we applied the policy strictly, admins would be forced to choose between semi-protection, which increases the risk that it will be re-created, and an overly burdensome full-protection. There's no reason why ECP page protection shouldn't be allowed in these cases so pages can be recreated if created by experienced editors.
 * In this case, it's a project-space page that should never be created, and if it would, it would be by someone who meets ECP requirements, so I think it's okay. I decided to protect the page instead of blocking the IP because the IP wasn't responsive on their talk page or elsewhere, and the editnotice on their page indicates that it might be used by multiple people. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:03, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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Please reconsider this.

Did you read this? It says "To develop the brand and launch strategy for a recently-approved active clearance technology catheter. In addition, our challenge was to build awareness of Retained Blood Syndrome (RBS) – a newly-coined condition that results from blocked drainage catheters in cardiothoracic surgery patients." It was "newly-coined" by the inventors of the device.

That is what that piece of "article" is - "raising awareness of a newly coined condition". Medical marketing.

Really. If somebody wants to create an actual article on it, they can. But not this -- the volunteer commmunity should not have our time wasted cleaning up this kind of really ugly abuse. We all have much better things to do. Please just speedy it. Jytdog (talk) 04:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I did see the link, and my first thought was to delete, but some quick Google searches indicates that the condition described is real and seems well-documented, it's just the name that is new. The article itself cites several reliable sources, and while the purpose of creating the text may be promotional, the text itself is not irredeemably promotional, so WP:G11 doesn't apply. I would've linked the AFD here, but I linked your name there, and I can see you've already replied there, so let's keep our replies there. Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:17, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * There is nothing useable in that industrial waste. Not one MEDRS source. It would need to be completely rewritten. Jytdog (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You don't seem to be familiar with medical marketing - what drug and device companies say and send to doctors?   As I said in my G11 nomination, that is what this page is. Somebody who does medical marketing wrote it.  Medical marketing is nothing like the kind of writing we do here.  The sources are different and what we say is different.  Jytdog (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Assessing whether an article's sourcing meets MEDRS is outside G11, which like all CSD criteria is only for the most obvious and unequivocal cases, which this was not. If the term had usage in reliable secondary sources, it might very well have been salvageable, and the AFD would have reflected that. In this case it wasn't and the snow delete was the correct outcome. I do know what medical marketing is, and I would disagree that it is nothing like writing on Wikipedia. It often contains citations to studies/papers which could hypothetically also be used alongside secondary sources in a properly written Wikipedia article if the subject matter could be shown to be notable. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)