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Deleted page of The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India UAE (Dubai) Chapter
Hi,

i did not understand the reason for deletion of the page. Our article is about the association which is based under "The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India". the presentation which you have shared as the reason is actually an infringement of our data. You can also check our official page http://www.icaidubai.org. You can also find our parent Institute page with the similar content (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Chartered_Accountants_of_India). I would request you to please guide me how my page can be reinstated

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrum (talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well if the presentation is infringing your organization's data, then having the same text on Wikipedia would be violating your copyrights as well, so the WP:G12 deletion would be correct regardless. To allow it to stay in draftspace, it would have to not infringe anyone's copyright, including your own. Another option is to give up some of the legal rights you hold by following the steps at Donating copyrighted materials. However, just because the text is not a copyright infringement does not mean that it will be accepted as an article. Chapters of a national organization are rarely notable (see WP:BRANCH) unless covered extensively by independent, third-party reliable sources. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Why are you deleting this page?
Hello there, I have just created the page on the Sungai Selangor Dam and you have tagged it for speedy deletion --> This page appears to be a direct copy from http://archive.gamuda.com.my/dams_plant_station_selangor.html

I am sorry but you are very wrong. Whilst some information on the wikipedia page was referred from the page above (which was part of the Reference), not all information on the page was a direct copy. If only you spent more time comparing both the pages.

Also, even for the portion of the information that was referred from the reference page, I spent time edit and used my own words, hence it was not a direct copy as claimed by you.

I wish to contest your unilateral decision on this matter and would like to ask you to review what you have done and make the necessary correction please. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walkingkamus (talk • contribs) 15:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The amount of copied and/or closely paraphrased text was very high, and removing it would have gutted the article. Just citing a page does not mean that you can liberally plagiarize from that page, unless the page has a suitably free license, which was not the case here. You are always free to recreate it without that text. Or if you own the rights to that page, you can give up some of the legal rights you hold by following the steps at Donating copyrighted materials. However, just because the text is not a copyright infringement does not mean that it will be accepted as an article, since all articles should use reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:43, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017
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i want create my page
my page name yash gawli you are deleted frist created page and just created page need protaction i dont know and no ideals create page on wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by YASH GAWLI85 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see our notability guideline for people and our general notability guideline, neither of which you meet. To get an article on Wikipedia, you have to show that you have the subject of extensive coverage by independent, reliable sources, which you are not. Creating or editing your own autobiography is also strongly discouraged. Please do not recreate your article. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ren Jiantao / Daidueerr
Hello, since you are asking me for link, I am responding here.

I applied G5 tag to the article because Daidueerr is confirmed as a sockpuppet of 123Aristotle on zhwiki, see their user page there: Daidueerr
 * See central auth


 * Ren Jiantao was created by Daidueerr on enwiki
 * 任剑涛 (Ren Jiantao) was created by 123Aristotle (123Aristotle at enwiki) on zhwiki
 * Also on zhwiki, 车建新 (Che Jianxin) was created by Robin1688 (Robin1688 at enwiki), and 车建芳 (Che Jianfang, sister of Che Jianxin) was created by Daidueerr.

Based on these evidence, the user has been confirmed as a sockpuppet in zhwiki. Please let me know if these evidences would justify G5. -★- PlyrStar93. → Message me. ← 19:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll delete and block. In the future, it would be helpful to post his kind of material to the talk page, when it's not readily apparent from the user's page, or an SPI investigation page. Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

United States military occupation
Someone is significantly attempting to change your draft on United States military occupation, and id figure you might want to join in the conversation.Garuda28 (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks commented. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Since the user doesn't appear to be accepting the consensus reached any suggestions on how to proceed?Garuda28 (talk) 04:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * We should at least wait until he responds to all the posts on the talk page before pursuing other options. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Judith Enck article for violation of copyright
As was noted, SUNY Albany did not have permission to copyright the material they posted. They did not even inform us they were posting the material

They have apologized and deleted the material

I’m sorry about this. I just had my assistant put up what you sent me, and didn’t think about any possible problem. It has now been taken down. We will let the dust settle, then add the short bio you sent.

I hope all is well. Best regards. David

David O. Carpenter, MD

Director, Institute for Health and the Environment

A Collaborating Centre of the World Health Organization

University at Albany
 * Hi Dr. Carpenter. Given that there are copyright issues here, would you mind following the instructions at Donating copyrighted materials for text to confirm that you own the copyright and are releasing it under a sufficiently free license for Wikipedia? Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I will add that even if the copyright works out, an article must still meet the general notability guideline through sustained, in-depth coverage in independent, third-party reliable sources. Looking at the sources in the draft, many of the sources are just passing mentions, which indicate that while Ms. Enck certainly does good work she may not meet the notability guideline. A search of Wikipedia for other Regional EPA Administrators only finds people who met the notability requirements through other means (e.g. promotion to higher positions in the EPA, or other political positions). However, the draft can be improved on in Draftspace, and submitted through the Articles for Creation process  Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

If you don't think Judith Enck is noteworthy as probably the most notable environmental activist in NYS and one of the most notable in the US, and certainly one of the most quoted environmental experts in response to the trump administration, I guess dealing with Wikipedia is a lost effort Mark Dunlea

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Aloísio (disambiguation) and Junot (disambiguation) etc.
Redirects with a (disambiguation) qualifier should ONLY point to pages which populate Category:Wikipedia disambiguation or its subcategories. given name and surname pages are NOT disambiguation pages (nor are they WP:SIA pages, to which such links are also wrong), and links like those are just plain wrong. Ask in WP:APO, WP:DAB or WP:DPL to see if anyone disagrees with me.

It's enough of a problem trying to keep the number of bad links to DAB pages down below 30,000 without having to go to WP:RFD on issues like these. Because if you disagree with me, WP:RFD is the next step. Narky Blert (talk) 01:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, been a couple busy days for me.


 * First of all, both given name and surname pages are explicitly referred to at Set_index_articles as a type of SIA. Regardless of what they are, they're functionally identical to a DAB page and do the same thing. There's been several discussions at WT:CSD, RFD, AN recently that have made "X (disambiguation)" redirects to SIAs controversial.


 * Deleting these (disambiguation) redirects punishes readers for not knowing every possible article that Wikipedia has. A reasonable person will know that the overwhelming majority of names will be shared by more than one person with a Wikipedia article. If Wikipedia has several people named X, and one article about a non-person named X, then a reader searching "X (disambiguation)" looking for a listing of Wikipedia articles, whose subjects can be referred to as X, gets where they want to go, since the non-person X article would mean its a DAB page. However, if Wikipedia has several people named Y, but no non-person articles about something named Y, then someone searching "Y (disambiguation)" looking for a listing of Wikipedia articles about subjects named Y, won't get where they want to go, because Y is a SIA and not a DAB. This is an entirely arbitrary distinction that very people, even experienced editors are familiar with.


 * If you feel that these redirects should be deleted, the proper venue is RFD. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:29, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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2DABS pages
Thank you for for scrutinising my PRODs of WP:2DABS pages, an extra pair of eyes is always useful. I don't just randomly PROD these pages, I do research for search terms and only after I am satisfied that there are no other pages worth listing, do I PROD. Very often I will find useful entries and convert a (usually orphan) 2DABS page into a useful, proper disambiguation page, correctly linked from the primary topic.

I disagree with the validity of some of your de-PRODs so I have widened the discussion by listing them at WP:AFD. In another particular case, you assert at Washington National Opera (disambiguation) that Washington National Opera is "A metonym for the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, where the Washington National Opera is based". That is not mentioned at the target article, contrary to MOS:DABMENTION, and so if it is the case would you please make an edit to John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:16, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, what I thought were pings seem not have been sent (don't know what I did wrong). Please see: Articles for deletion/Walpole Island (disambiguation), Articles for deletion/WEBT (disambiguation), Articles for deletion/Suez Canal Bridge (disambiguation), Articles for deletion/Sweetman (disambiguation)
 * I guess my philosophy around 2DABs is to generally keep them especially if they are either 1. a topic that someone can quite reasonably think refers to more than two topics or 2. a DAB page that can offer something else in addition to the two entries (e.g. wiktionary box, see also, hatnote, etc.). In the case of the JFC Centre, the article lists the WNO as a tenant, so if someone says that they're going to the "Washington National Opera" or their show is at the WNO, they're really metonymically referring to the building it's in.
 * Thanks for the attempted pings/heads up, I'll get to the AFD pages tomorrow. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:36, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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The Replacement (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)‎
If you're going to de-prod an article based on a claim that sources must exist to establish the notability of the subject, then I hope you'll be willing to provide a source, or understand if I bring it to AfD if no sources are provided within a reasonable amount of time. I would note that the article has already been tagged for over three years, and has nothing to show for it.

As for the argument that every other episode has an article, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I already added an external link to a review which I believe is frequently used as an RS on Wikipedia, and which was easily found using Google. Wikipedia is a work in progress, and the lack of sources in the article does not mean it is not notable, if those sources exist. If after doing a WP:BEFORE check and you genuinely do not think it meets our notability guidelines, then you should take it to AFD, and you might very well be correct.
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF is 1) an essay about arguments to avoid at AFD, which is a very different forum from PROD and 2) about arguments that invoke apples to oranges comparisons where it's not merited. Here we are comparing like vs. like (i.e. Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes) using a consistency argument which OTHERSTUFF explicitly allows (It would be ridiculous to consider deleting an article on Yoda or Mace Windu, for instance. If someone were, as part of their reasoning for keep, to say that every other main character in Star Wars has an article, this may well be a valid point. In this manner, using an "Other Stuff Exists" angle provides for consistency.) I don't see why this particular episode is so less notable than all the others that it must be deleted via PROD, and believe it should not be deleted without an AFD. Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining your perspective. If no sources are provided to establish that this episode is specifically notable, I will open an AfD. As for it being so less notable than all the others, I suspect many of those articles likely also fail to establish that the episodes have any individual notability, which was my point in mentioning WP:OTHERSTUFF. DonIago (talk) 14:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Cheremkhovo
Hi there! I deleted the Cheremkhovo (disambiguation) redirect, because per disambiguation practices such redirects can only point to proper disambiguation pages (which set indices explicitly are not, despite their partial functional equivalency) and exist solely to satisfy the WP:INTDABLINK guideline. I truly don't care if this redirect is in place or not, but a) I thought I should let you know because technically you are wrong :), and b) it's going to eventually be deleted by participants of WikiProject Disambiguation anyway, because I've seen them do that, a lot. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2017 ; 17:51 (UTC) In the meanwhile, I would like to note that in none of those discussions I can see a consensus formed either way (to either delete these redirects, or to keep them, and definitely not to create them on purpose), so each case would have to be considered individually on its own merits.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 6, 2017 ; 14:10 (UTC)
 * Please see my reply above. SIAs are almost all functionally DABs, even if the MOS for DABs do not apply. Redirects of this type have been kept at RFD, and should not be deleted via G6. Deleting these redirects only punishes readers for not knowing every possible article Wikipedia may have for a given name, which is the determining factor between having a SIA/DAB. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not aware of previous RfDs dealing with these, but I would point out again that logically, it makes no sense to have a "XXX (disambiguation)" redirect to a page that is not actually a disambiguation page. Lists can also be used for navigation, any some are in such poor shape that they, too, are "functionally dabs", yet we do not create/keep around "XXX (disambiguation)" redirects to lists. Or to articles. Or to topics. As for the needs of readers, they do not actually type in "XXX (disambiguation)" in the search bar, and all other means of arriving at the destination they seek are already covered. Even editors directly link to "XXX (disambiguation)" redirects for only one reason&mdash;to satisfy WP:INTDABLINK where applicable. In all, I can imagine there is a handful of weird situations where having a "XXX (disambiguation)" to a set index (or even a list) might make sense, but this one is definitely not one of them.
 * Anyway, while I feel this all needed to be said, I have no problem with this redirect staying where it is. If past experience is of any indication, it will be found and shot a few years from now anyway, so don't blink, or you'll miss it :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2017 ; 18:10 (UTC)
 * Readers don't care or know the difference between a DAB, a SIA, or a barebones list, all they want is a page that will tell them about relevant articles under that name. That could be a DAB, SIA, and some lists. Given that the RM discussion that led to this issue in the first place incorrectly led to the Cheremkhovo being converted to a non-MOS:DAB compliant DAB, it's clear that even the experienced editors and closing admin there are not familiar with the differences between DABs and SIAs. I've repeatedly said that I would support creating "X (disambiguation)" redirect to barebones lists as long as the list functionally serves as a DAB (e.g. my !vote here). A good reason to redirect "X (disambiguation)" to an article is if it has a list that would serve a disambiguation purpose. That's what the nominator at the RM at Talk:Lord_North_(disambiguation) proposed, though the DAB was kept for other reasons. I'm not sure what you mean by "topics".
 * I don't see why readers wouldn't type an "X (disambiguation)" search term into the bar. Wikipedia has been around long enough that many users will either know of DAB pages or at least be familiar with the concept of DAB pages. Presumably, if a reader is searching for X, they have some baseline level of knowledge about X, and maybe they specifically want to find non-primary topic articles about X. For example, anyone with a bit of familiarity with history would know that there have been many Treaties of Paris, and might think that the base title at Treaty of Paris may be occupied by one of the more famous ones (e.g. 1763, 1783). Then if they are specifically looking for a page listing all the treaties of Paris, then it would make sense for them to search "Treaty of Paris (disambiguation)". Fortunately, this is a DAB page because there was a band and a horse named Treaty of Paris. If those didn't exist, then this would technically be a SIA. Would it really be helpful to delete the "Treaty of Paris (disambiguation)" redirect then because the target is not an SIA? Surely having the existence of that redirect turn on the existence of a barely notable horse/band is arbitrary?
 * Many SIAs are like USS_Albatross and shouldn't be linked to anyways, since the links should go to one of the entries instead. Having "X (disambiguation)" redirects could be used to designate intentional links to SIAs in the same way that they do for DABs. The Cheremkhovo case is a bit weird for sure because it's an SIA with only one separate article. I would still say the redirect is justified, because the title is a proper noun and the information present for each entry at the SIA could have been converted into multiple one-line stubs, which would have been notable as inhabited places. If Wikipedia had one article about a notable person whose surname was Cheremkhovo, then there could easily be a DAB page with that person and the stubs at Cheremkhovo (disambiguation). On the other end, there's no reason to have a "X (disambiguation)" redirect point to List of fire stations of historical significance in the United States since that would be unnatural and unhelpful. Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:31, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Having read through the links you previously provided, I see that we'd just have to agree to disagree on this one. As much as it befuddles me why people would consider having a misleadingly named redirect "helpful", I see this is a somewhat common view that needs a wider input, especially since it flies in the face of already established guidelines and practices (the dab folks aren't wrong when they are pointing out that the only purpose of "XXX (disambiguation)" redirects is to satisfy WP:INTDABLINK, and that folks advocating for using such redirects for other purposes are essentially hijacking them).

Please restore Matt Flynn (Wisconsin politician)
Hi - you carried out a deletion of the Matt Flynn article about a month back (sorry, I'm not logged into my wikimedia account very often and missed the discussion)

Please restore it. He is notable enough that the State Historical Society has done oral interviews with him for the archives, he led the a major political party for a few years, and he is a potential candidate for Governor of Wisconsin ( http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/could-tony-evers-shake-up-the-governor-s-race/article_963b9867-5a0a-56a5-81df-f5d320fb7558.html ) - so while that's playing out, people who want to find out who he is can at least find a few pointers to him in Wikipedia. Thanks. Erik s paulson (talk) 02:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Interviews are considered primary sources on Wikipedia (see WP:INTERVIEW, and the only element of interviews that can be used to help establish notability is anything added by the party conducting the interview. In this case, that's the biography. The biography covers Mr. Flynn's career, which was already present in the article, as was the State Historical Society source. They were both considered and ultimately rejected by the discussion at Articles for deletion/Matt Flynn (Wisconsin politician) as sufficient to meet either our general notability guideline or our notability guideline for politicians. If Mr. Flynn does decide to run, he could potentially meet the GNG if he becomes the Democratic candidate, but that's not the case yet. There is also no mention of Mr. Flynn at the Wisconsin Democratic Party Wikipedia article, so it would be inappropriate to redirect it there as an alternative. If you wish to contest the deletion further, you can do so by following the steps at WP:DRV. Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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WP:Articles for deletion/Matthias Manasi
Hi Patar knight, per the discussion in that AfD, would you kindly salt the two article pages that the massive COI SPA sockfarm keeps trying to reproduce? Softlavender (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Without either page having been re-recreated after deletion, it's (for now) best to leave them be. They're on my watchlist (and probably yours as well), and if they get recreated, then it can be dealt with then. Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:12, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017
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Talk:Spiral Architect (disambiguation)
P k - I'm not sure if you've seen this (my pings haven't been working): Talk:Spiral Architect (disambiguation). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Teairra Marí
Hi, I just saw that you removed my section of Personal life from Teairra Marí and I'm actually gonna tell you that I was given that information by Teairra herself .... So your invalid VANDALIZING has been reverted and if you wanna VANDALIZE it again than try to make a good fucking reason.... tata!🖕 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonsdebut8 (talk • contribs) 13:18, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * The material was entirely sourced from gossip sites and not reliable sources, and is consequentially a violation of our biography of living persons policy. Please keep in mind that continuing to make personal attacks will result in a block. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:43, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See Sockpuppet_investigations/MrWriter245 Meters (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware of this so only gave a warning. I'll keep the page on my watchlist in the future. Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion page Kristijan Boskovski
As follow the above article on 12th April 2017 had took a place with status of nomination for deletion of the article. The issue occurred as apparently the person was lacking with the notability related to WP:FPL based on whatever reason the previous administrator he has.

bellow I've managed to find some source linked with his club from Macedonia Rabotnicki Skopje involved with CL tournament something among those lines.

http://www.champions-league.nl/Spelers/kristijan-boskovski/

Going back again to WP:FPL I'll remind the fact that Northampton Town is a fully professional team not sure whereabouts they stand at the moment,but surely is one of the league one or league two.England – Premier League, EFL Championship, EFL League One, EFL League Two[37][38][39] are the ones who qualified for WP:FPL. https://www.sport.de/fussball/pe154802/kristijan-boskovski/ http://www.livefutbol.com/equipos/fk-rabotnicki/2005/2/

Concerning to Nike athlete/ambassador following his and Nike UK twitter the fact is clearly proved to be realible twitter.com>k_boskovski

http://www.nonleagueyorkshire.com/2017/10/05/sedge-sign-2-forwards-including-wood/.

So where is coming from the notability of the football clubs,players from the leagues who are Not WP:FPL? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klasyk17 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Mr. Boskovski clearly did not meet WP:NFOOTY. Macedonia's top league is not a fully professional league per WP:FPL, so those won't do. He also did not make an appearance for Northampton Town, so even if it was in an FPL-tier league of the English football system, it wouldn't have mattered. The current team he plays for seems to be tier 9, which is not a FPL. He also doesn't seem to have actually played for the U17 team, despite being rostered, and in any case, that's not tier one international football, which is what NFOOTY requires. If a players fails the requirements at NFOOTY, then they would have to pass the general notability guideline, which was found not to be the case at the AFD. If you want to appeal this further, with information about why he actually did meet NFOOTY or the GNG, take it to eletion review.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:28, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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Demographics of the Cook Islands
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WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge award

 * Sorry, for the late reply, but thank you for this. It's always good to get recognized for your work. :) Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Reidgreg (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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List of The Umbrella Academy characters
Hi,

sorry about any confusion, the text from the "List of The Umbrella Academy characters" was orignally in the main "The Umbrella Academy" page, but the main page was tagged with an "article too long". So I took the character text and moved it into a new page.

The article you are claiming "unambiguous copyright infringement" is from Oct 2017: http://omegaunderground.com/2017/10/25/exclusive-slew-umbrella-academy-audition-tapes-luther-klaus-deigo-boy/

The text on the wikipedia page dates back to at least Dec 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Umbrella_Academy&oldid=400169813

That blog copied the text for the main Wikipedia page on The Umbrella Academy, not the other way around.

Sorry for any confusion.

How can we resolve this?

Damiantgordon (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * In the future, when you're splitting of an article from another Wikipedia article, you should indicate that in your edit summary. That avoids situations like this and is mandatory for compliance with Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA-3.0 license. Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Brilliant, thanks for this. Damiantgordon (talk) 23:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017 November 13
Could you please take a look at my alt suggestion? Mangoe (talk) 20:41, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Replied at the RFD. Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

 * I'm already an admin, so I have these rights. Thanks for your outreach to try and unclog NPP though! Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Woops, missed that, sorry. Thanks for the encouragement. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  20:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Scottish footballers
Hey, I just saw that you declined (properly) a bunch of CSDs I nominated. Just wanted to let you know that I probably acted hastily, but it was created by a sock army (which specifically disliked me for some reason) so I failed to assume good faith/err on the side of inclusion. Hope there are no hard feelings for the extra work I gave you. Cheers! -- ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ  16:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries, not a lot of work. Socks are annoying and frustrating to deal with. Some of the subjects might be very well non-notable, so you should feel to AFD them if you think so. Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:25, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Doug Steinhardt
Your deletion of Doug Steinhardt makes absolutely no sense. First, it is not promotional in any way. It is an article on a subject who is the appointed head of a major political party in one of the most populous states in the United States. Second, all of the information is well sourced, accurate, from verifiable new sources, and except for a small amount of details, comes from external sources other than those created by the subject. The ones that are created by the subject are basic facts and not intended to be self serving in an way. All of the sources are high quality and come from neutral government pages or news outlets. Again, aside from some very basic biogrphaical information, none of it comes from the subject themselves. This page is consistent with other political leaders' page and to be honest, is more encyclopedic and factual than most out there. Please restore this page ASAP or since I spent so much time creating this page consistent with guidelines, provide some meaningful edits to make it consistent with the guidelinees as you see them. There is no way it is that far off from articles on similar subjects. This was definitely not worthy of a speedy deletion with no opportunity for discussion. It is patently unfair Poledit2017 (talk) 00:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poledit2017 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Phrases like "He was immediately credited for his leadership style", "He bested his opponent", "he successful [sic] by roundly defeating her" are promotional and encyclopedic in nature. Other promotional aspects include the frequent use of "Doug" instead of "Steinhardt" and devoting space on fluff that is implied by actual encyclopedic content (e.g. saying "He still holds this position today." when it's already mentioned that he has always been successful running for that position, including in the recent past). However, the bigger problem is that most of the text was almost directly taken from his profile on his law firm. This is a copyright violation and is not allowed on Wikipedia for legal reasons. If you own the copyright to that text and want to forfeit your legal rights to that text, you can follow the steps at Donating_copyrighted_materials. This combination of copyright violation and text written in a promotional tone meant that there was nothing substantial left, so a speedy deletion under criteria WP:G11 (promotion) and WP:G12 (copyright violation) was justified.
 * Looking at available news sources on Steinhardt and the articles of past holders of his position, he should have an article. However, it would have to be better sourced, less promotional, and free of copyright violations like the last version was. The sourcing would have to be better was well. Using an alumni magazine where alumni news are self-submitted hardly counts as a reliable source. Patar knight - chat/contributions 10:16, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I will re-work what you purport to be "promotional" but one example of where you are wrong is when you use "He was immediately credited for his leadership style," If you look at the source of that statement you will see it came from an objective news source and daily paper, not an editorial, but a reporters assessment of his time as Chairman.  The  statement that ""He still holds this position today" is relevant because most people do not hold both a state and local position at the same time so to avoid someone thinking there is an error it seems worth noting.  As for the word "bested", it is a synonym to the word defeated.  Your assessment of that word as promotional is weird. Anyway, I will change it to deafeated.  Your comment on an alumni magazine is absurd since these appointments to important positions at the law school were made by the administration and not someone just submitting something that said they were promoted.  It goes beyond a self submission.  A comparison to that would be the use of a state legisltors biography on their state sponsopred website.  Even though it may be a .gov page, those bios are also self submitting.  As for copyright, it will be easy to rework the verbatim sentences and I will do that.  As for promotion, respectfully, you are just off base.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poledit2017 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what kind of sensational language used by the source if Wikipedia can say the same thing in a disinterested, neutral tone. For example, "According to [name of paper], he was credited for his leadership style..." would be more appropriate than "He was immediately credited for his leadership style." Using Wikipedia's voice to declare anyone to immediately and definitively be a positive thing should only be done with extensive coverage in reliable sources. "He still holds this position today" is irrelevant when you've already said as much in the text. Repeating it for effect only serves to draw election to his repeated electoral success. And even if it is included, it does not have to be a standalone sentence. The problem with "bested" is that it needlessly promotes a simple electoral victory as some kind of struggle because of the root word. It's an electoral victory, just say "beat" or "defeated". Combined with other problematic phrases, these cases all add up.
 * Self-published sources are okay in limited circumstances (see WP:BLPSELFPUB), but the claims sent to the alumni newsletter would definitely fail the first two points there. I'm not sure what you're talking about with appointments to law school positions, because the alumni newsletter was used to source claims about Steinhardt's involvement with the Boy Scouts. It was clearly submitted by Steinhardt, since the last page of the PDF indicates that self-submissions are how the alumni news section was populated. The entry on Steinhardt is on the same section as other alumni earning Phds, announcing birthdays of kids, grandchildren being born, people retiring, so the section hardly seems like a section that would be subject to much editorial control, if any. It would definitely be preferable not to never use self-submitted bios submitted to a government website, but at last with government websites, there is a higher presumption of reliability, if only because of increased visibility, unlike an alumni newsletter. Anyway, good luck in reworking the article.  Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:51, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Your deletion of Vince-Gordon page the 24 th movember - please restore
Hi I have seen you deleted the above page 01.08.24 november - XFD Closer - I do not know what this means.

I do know that we have been working with the articles - and we have a dialog with the community and did prove that some of the issues the community raised eg about google was wrong as the artist never used his given name and primary his bands name the Jime - and the notable work someone helped to put in the boxes. And I also wrote that his sisters and I hold all rights - whatever asked for and can prove it.

SO why did you delete it ? And what can I do to get on line? I have taken this screen dump on Vince Gordon and the notable work in relation to Scotty Moore - please inform we what to do to get it on again- and I do also I do not understand the process of working with the articles according to what other administrators ask for, and then in the process it is deleted without notice.

Do´not misunderstand - I think you all are doing a good job in the common interest. best

Rosdahl-2017 (talk) 10:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Community consensus at Articles_for_deletion/Vince-Gordon was that the page did not meet our general notability criteria or the criteria for musicians because of insufficient sourcing, so I deleted it. The copyright issue can be solved if you follow the instructions here, but giving up your rights does not guarantee inclusion, especially after the result of the AFD. One of the sources in your image, the news4us site, is not a reliable source because it is a press release submitted by someone close to Vince-Gordon, and because it was already in the article, it has already been considered and rejected. While the other source was not in the article at the time of the AFD, it was published by Vince-Gordon and reused by the website, which does not seem reliable. In any case, Vince-Gordon's involvement with Rockabilly music was widely noted in the article at the time of the AFD. The article can be restored if there is significant coverage by independent, third-party, reliable sources (e.g. newspaper profiles and articles, sections in books, academic articles, subject of documentaries, etc.) which does not seem to be the case here. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, you're always free to provide evidence of reliable sources, or take it to deletion review, but without those reliable sources, a review is highly unlikely to go your way. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

ITN picture
I've already swapped in a new picture, and you just removed it from the bot protection list. There was prior discussion at Errors that the portrait was terrible and shouldn't be posted. Stephen 03:01, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I made the edit a minute before you swapped the pic, so I wasn't aware. I looked at ITN/C and Errors, but the discussion at errors had already been removed yesterday. I didn't see anything about people not liking the picture or any discussion on using the picture for the Rohingya news item. So I made the swap and removed the Rohingya picture, since we should minimize the number of pictures being protected. I didn't think the Mnangagwa picture was that bad, but so be it. My bad. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:21, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Datari Turner
Hey Patar, hope you're well. Full disclosure (as I'm sure you already know), Datari Turner is a client of my paid editing service, Mister Wiki. I see you deleted Datari Turner's page. The main issue (from what it seemed) in the deletion discussion was that the article was written in 'marketing speak', not so much notability, so I was proposing a new draft to be reviewed which can be found here that is written to sound less promotional and has better sources (several, at that). I feel as though I made a good case and was backing everything up, but it seemed to be getting ignored. I'm just curious to know the main reason why you chose to delete it and what would be required for it to be restored? Thank you. JacobMW (talk) 02:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I would disagree with your assessment of the discussion at Articles for deletion/Datari Turner (2nd nomination). Every single delete !vote either explicitly mentions how the article fails our notability standards (WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR), or the inadequacy of coverage for Mr. Turner in independent, reliable sources, which is how notability is determined. It would have been sufficient for that alone, the concerns that the !voters had with other issues such as WP:NOT, WP:PROMO, and WP:COI are simply extra reasons to delete on top of a clear and shut case. Looking at your draft, while it is better in that it is focused more on his actual work, right now that would still be eligible for WP:G4 deletion as substantially similar. Almost all the sources in the draft were in the deleted article at the time of the AFD, and the only new additions are either just name drops in reviews/articles that indicate that he is producing or involved in a work, interviews which are usually not helpful in assessing notability, or articles that duplicate coverage of things covered by sources that were already present. Based on the AFD discussion and my own Google Search, I don't believe there is sufficient coverage for an article at this point in time. If you disagree, feel free to take it to deletion review. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:39, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I will have some time to review this tomorrow so I can check this out then. Much appreciated, thank you for your patience as I learn all the policies and guidelines here. JacobMW (talk) 02:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , thank you again for your feedback. I have reviewed this along with the guidelines you linked to. I see now how it is eligible for WP:G4 deletion. If you think it is a good idea, Turner has a few more notable articles planned for himself that could contribute a lot to the notability of his article. Taking all this into consideration, I will likely resubmit it through AfC when the time is right. Let me know your thoughts. JacobMW (talk) 15:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If significant, in-depth articles are written about him in the future, he might meet the notability standards then. However, he currently does not. But it's up to AfC to decide that when you do submit. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Please restore page - Peer Viqar Ul Aslam
Please kindly restore the page, as it has more than 25 references while pages with just 4 references are approved, that too non-reputed sources. Please consider this request by looking into the in-depth contributions of the individual. Thank You! Gamesofwikithrones (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Besides yourself, everyone else at Articles for deletion/Peer Viqar Ul Aslam (2nd nomination) agreed that the article did not meet WP:NJOURNALIST or WP:ANYBIO and should therefore not have an article. The number of references does not matter, what matters is depth of coverage, which was lacking here. As for other articles, please see WP:OTHER. Each AFD stands on its own merits. Just because there are worse articles out there (and some pages with four references will have amazingly in-depth coverage from those sources), does not mean that a article that is better than some others, but still fails our notability guidelines should be kept. Feel free to take it to deletion review. Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of List of The Official Podcast episodes
Your deletion confuses me. The page it is important to the main Wikipedia article as it de-clusters the article and lets anyone find a specific episode. Would there be a way to make it so it is not speedily deleted? If so please tell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamSunglasses (talk • contribs) 14:15, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no main Wikipedia article here, since The Official Podcast does not exist. If you can find coverage of the individual episodes or the episode list in reliable sources like newspapers, magazines, books, etc. then it would likely be kept. Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:35, 1 December 2017 (UTC)