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re:靈火文化
I cannot really read or write Chinese, but I took a look at the Google translation, which seems to contain an article that needs to be rewritten. Vltava  68  04:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought that such articles were speedily deleted. Vltava   68  04:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Comparison between Roman and Han Empires
Look, I'm going to take a break (and I advise to take one too) before the discussion becomes 'too hot' (it's also past my bedtime).

I think that the whole article should be deleted and I presented the case yesterday at No original research/noticeboard.

I honestly think that the whole article is a honest attempt of Teeninvestor. He doesn't seem to have any book written by a historian comparing these two empires.

To compare two nations/states with different peoples, religions, cultures, forms of government, and economies who then had to face different challenges (different geography, climate, neighbours and enemies) with different results is simply unwise. Such comparisons are by default very difficult and controversial and precisely because of this largely avoided by historians. They are good for a friendly debate between friends (and usually both sides only reveal and learn that they truly don't know all that much about the relevant subjects). Flamarande (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Comparison between Roman and Han Empires
An article that you have been involved in editing, Comparison between Roman and Han Empires, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. Thank you. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Comparison between Roman and Han Empires copyright issues
Patar the copyright thing came up and several paragraphs were removed. I have restored some of them(after consensus by the community.) Therefore, can you assist in rewriting several paragraphs and putting them on the talk page, and submitting them once consensus is reached. That is helpful, thank you. Also, regarding the publishing firm, please do not discredit a source just because it is owned by chinese government. Wikipedia would be crippled if we couldn't use government materials. Teeninvestor (talk) 18:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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B class article Comparison between Han and Roman Empires
I think this article is pretty B class. How does it not meet B class criteria?Teeninvestor (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you give me the B-class criteria page, i forgot where it is. Also, the coverage is pretty broad.Teeninvestor (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

YOu mentioned criteria 2, 3, 4. Where in the article are there grammar errors??? and the coverage is pretty broad. The article also has a structure. Also, discuss on MSN. I plan to work on this article once my summatives are done to bring it up to Good Article status.Teeninvestor (talk) 00:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the restructuring and broadening of coverage is mainly complete; next step is to improve prose. Please help with this.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

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World War I eastern front
Thanks for joining in with the Centenary Drive! The Land (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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FlaggedRevs
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Parviz Haghendish
FYI, Parviz Haghendish has been nominated for deletion. Basically, the key to keeping it is to provide some information (namely sources) demonstrating that Parviz was part of the Iranian National Fencing team. If you can show that, then a case can be made that he meets wp:BIO.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 17:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Impaired
Hi, I was just wondering. There are a million bands on Wikipedia. Impaired is MY band. Is it that I can't write an article about myself? Impaired is not well know, so not that many people know about it. Why can I not have an article about MY band??? How does every other band have an article????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impaired (talk • contribs) 20:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Study skills
I have undone your closure of this AfD because the discussion did not run for the five days required by the deletion policy. Please do not close any more discussions early.  Sandstein  22:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for tip on the hangon tag - I've only been at this for a month or so, and still get a lot of the little things wrong. I'll wait to put the underconstruction tag on since I live in Pittsburgh, and the superbowl will have my attention for most of the rest of the day. I appreciate your help - I honestly think the article can be salvaged from the delete department (or I wouldn't bother trying), but then again, I've always been one of those "salvage lost causes" kind of guy. Just wanted to drop a note of appreciation for your help. You have a great day now. — Ched (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

thank you
Lthank you for closing the debate at WP:AFD for vine hall Smith Jones (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thank you for the trust you placed in me by supporting my RfA (which passed and, apparently, I am now an admin!). I will do my best to continue to act in a way that is consistent with the policies of wikipedia as well with our common desire to build and perfect this repository of human knowledge; and can only hope that you never feel that your trust was misplaced. Thanks again! --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 00:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank You
Just wanted to thank you for updating the deletion tag on the Brevinar. Kyle1278 (talk) 00:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Outline of Knowledge / Geography WikiProject Collaboration: Country outlines
As you probably remember, last spring we started work on the "Geography and places" branch of Wikipedia's Outline of knowledge. (WikiProject Lists of basic topics has been renamed to WikiProject Outline of knowledge). The geography branch is in the form of a set of outline pages including one for every present-day nation or state in the world. That's 247 pages! This has been a huge undertaking, involving dozens of editors using advanced wiki-tools.

These pages have come a long way, and it won't be long before the whole set is complete enough to be moved to article space into the encyclopedia for the benefit of all. But there's still a lot of work left, and we could use all the help we can get!

While some editors prefer to work on one country at a time, most of our team members take on a particular entry and complete it across all the pages. This has come to be our standard type of task. To facilitate this process, we apply tools such as AutoWikiBrowser, Linky, and WikEd, all of which can be used to process a large number of pages in various (direct or indirect) ways.

In case you are interested in what we've been up to, here's a progress report:

Lately, development has been slow but continuous:

On our recruiting initiative, Penubag has done a fantastic job on the images for the awards we'll be using for our project's collaborations and contests. We now have 3 awards: a medal, a trophy, and a race ribbon. They all look tight. The trophy needs a small adjustment, but other than that, all 3 award images are complete and ready to use to create awards with.

Spartaz has warned us of (threatened to take) G4 (speedy delete) action if we run a competition that resembles the previously deleted Awards Center page. So whatever we do, any contests we run must differ substantially from the methods used there.

One type of competition I've been exploring is "edit racing". I'm in the process of working the bugs out of this concept - the first race didn't work as expected - you see, because we only had an award for first place, so the opponent didn't think it worthwhile to continue once it was clear who the winner would be. And since editors are in different time zones and usually need to start the race at different times, we need to base winning on personal start times - he who completes his assigned edits in the least time (rather than first), wins. And last but not least is quality control. What good is racing if the participants' edits are ripe with errors? So I'll be exploring possibilities such as using a referee (assigned to oversee a particular race), having participants watching each other for errors to knock them back, etc. I'm not sure yet.

Rich Farmbrough has been applying his bot expertise to filling in blanks in the country outlines (the population and area entries). I'm amazed at the number of edits he pumps out each day on a myriad of projects - ours makes up but a small time slice of his activity, and yet he has saved us many hours of manual work. Perhaps we should look into how he gets so much done. :)

Zlerman has chosen to work on specific outlines, and has taken on Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. He also has been keen on noticing and reporting design issues pertaining to the whole set of country outlines. Keep up the good work!

Highfields is in charge of capitals, adding them to all the outlines. He is also our first race winner. Check out the award on his user pages.

In case you didn't know, this project has expanded to include work on any and all sets of pages represented on the country outlines. Once the set of country outlines go live (in article space), traffic will likely increase for all the links included on them. The quality and usefulness of those pages will reflect heavily on the country outlines. The outlines, which are essentially lists of links, are only as good as the links they present, and therefore we've branched out to solve the biggest problems with those as well. So far, we've taken on:
 * The creation of disambiguation pages for country adjectivals ("German", "French", "Taiwanese", etc.) We're about half done with these.
 * Wikifying the CIA World Factbook statistics on the "demographics of" country pages. We've been renaming those sections to provide a key string that AWB can use for targetting (for skipping and filtering).  Once that's done, we'll be able to break the clean-up down into simple AWB search/replace tasks, because we'll be able to target just those pages that include the CIA stuff.
 * We've also been renaming the "Cuisine of" articles to their adjectival forms ("Chinese cuisine", "Italian cuisine", etc.), for consistency and because the adjective-based terms are generally the most commonly-used names for those cuisine types.

Blackadam2 and Thehelpfulone have been helping out with the "demographics of" pages mentioned above.

And we have a couple speed addicts (addicted to wiki-velocity, not drugs)...

Both Robert Skyhawk and Thehelpfulone prefer (and excel at) simple AWB search/replaces. Robert hasn't actually joined our team yet, but he has been helping out quite a bit from the sidelines (via the WP:AWB/Tasks page. Unfortunately, there has recently been a non-AWB chore that has been holding things up on the AWB front - an edit to all the headings which had to be reverted before too many new edits were made, because any new edits would make the reversion more difficult.  The headings have been restored, so now the way is clear for AWB operations, and there are many search/replace tasks in the queue.  AWB assignments have started again!

There's a similar bottleneck on the "Demographics of" pages (the "keying" mentioned above), but that's almost cleared too. :)

With my internet access somewhat crippled as of late, I've been finding it difficult to keep up with you guys. However, I expect to be accessing a Linky-capable workstation on a faster server (I'm on it right now, as you can probably tell from my contributions list for the past couple of days), and so I should really pick up speed. Feels goooooood. :)

Recruiting has been a bit slow (but steady), due in part to my crippled access, and because we've been waiting for the images for the awards to be completed. I expect the team to grow more rapidly as the bottlenecks are removed.

Well that's what's been happenin', and here's what's in the pipeline...

We've got a long list of entries that need to be completed across all the outlines and related page sets. If you would like to dive in with advanced wiki-tools to process this whole set of pages on one or more tasks, drop me a note!

As for me, I'm about to begin work on a set of lists that corresponds to all the standard links on the country outlines, and these will be presented on the Topic outline of countries which will be organized exactly like the country outlines. Aside from being an extremely useful navigation aid, it will allow editors to easily see the state of country coverage on Wikipedia - each list will be one link-set, and each list can be used with our wiki-tools to process the pages listed. I'll provide you with a link once I get up to speed on this.

In the meantime, keep in touch!

Cheers,

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   01:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Redwater Health Centre
The user Ttonyb1 keeps on saying and putting a speedy deletion tag on the article and it dose not fall under CSD G11 and he has threatened to block me please can you solve this as quickly as possible. Kyle1278 (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Update No longer need help thank you Kyle1278 (talk) 19:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the keep nomination. Kyle1278 (talk) 21:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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Mortal Kombat 8 (Tentative Title)
Mortal Kombat 8 is Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe. Regardless of it being non-canon, it's MK8. Which is why the upcoming Mortal Kombat is already being addressed as "MK9". So, I've switched around the re-directs to Mortal Kombat 9 page...Trini bwoi (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for Info
Thanks for the comment and helping me in my confusion on how to create a subpage. I thought I had and then people started recommending me for deletion - it was very confusing and I had no idea. I appreciate your patience and kindness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelrage2003 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 23 February 2009

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Flag Running
Regarding the flagging my Page for speedy deletion - could you please give me help in editing it to make it look more respectable and give it the necessary requirements to avoid deletion in the future? I would be most grateful, as I plan to create a series of pages for GvG (Guild versus Guild) in online games. WikiWarning (talk) 16:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Country outlines project update - 2009/03/08
Things have been slowing down again, so it's time for a big push...

We've gone live
This project needed a shot in the arm. Also, its draft pages have been littering Wikipedia's categories for months. The time seemed right to move all the country outline drafts to article space.

WHAT???

Well, the drafts had been sitting in Wikipedia space for a year.

WHAT???

Development has been moving at a snail's pace and we could use the help of the Wikipedia community at large (who are more likely to find these if they are in article space).

WHAT???

Yes, we've gone live. :)

This puts pressure on us to get the blatantly incomplete elements of these outlines done. The only glaring problem is the government branches sections. These need to be corrected ASAP.

I've mentioned THE GOVERNMENT BRANCHES SECTIONS many times to many people over the past year, but the problem just doesn't seem to have been taken seriously. So let me put it another way:

HELP!!! I need your help on this now. Almost all the countries have a government with an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. The links for these branches need to be completed for each country outline:


 * Here's a convenient list you can use WP:LINKY on to access and edit these quickly. Please copy the list's link to the top of your talk page so that you can access it easily.

If you spot any standardization in links, and ways we can automate parts of this process, or for groups of countries that have links in common, please let me know!

Administrative support for outlines
There has been growing pressure on me to write up the administrative pages for outlines - their instructions, guidelines, etc. Therefore, I'm now in the process of composing these. Fortunately, it is mostly a matter of gathering material from messages I've written to you guys over the past year. Still, this is taking up most of my time, and I will be buried in these for the foreseeable future.

Traffic control
The next big task after the government branches sections are cleaned up is link support for the outlines.

There's quite a list of links and notices that need to be put in place around Wikipedia, providing access to them to readers, and alerting editors to the need to develop and maintain these pages. This will keep our bot people very busy (and happy).

But the most important thing right now is to get the government branches sections completed. So please, put your bots aside, roll up your shirt sleeves, and start typing.

Thank you.

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   02:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Geography WikiProject update - 03/15/2009
The award images are complete!

After months of toil and attention to detail, Penubag has completed the set of images for this WikiProject's awards!

There are five race ribbons:



There's an engraved medallion:



And by far the hardest to create, a golden trophy:



If you have any ideas about awards these images can be placed upon, and how to award them (to show appreciation and to attract participants), please let me know.

And be sure to pop by Penubag's talk page to let him know what you think of his graphics artistry.

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3O on ArbCom
Can you go to the ArbCom case, check it out, and provide your uninvolved opinion? thanks. The link is on my talk page. Teeninvestor (talk) 19:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Ciera keyes
Hi, you just tagged Ciera keyes for deletion as vandalism, I'm not sure about this. Don't you think A7 or G4 (as it has previously been created), would be more suitable? Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice that she had any indication of importance? Doesn't really bother me, just checking you hadn't made a mistake :). I'm not really savvy about G4 as I never use it myself :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I deleted this as A7 but it was a close call, and if Patar knew that some of that stuff was vandalism I could understand the tag...  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  13:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Jersey No. 10
Hi Patar, after a lot of salvage I've declined your speedy for Jersey No. 10. But please don't take that as criticism, it took a lot of salvage :-)  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  13:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, no worries on that one. Good job finding sources for it. :p --Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Patar!
Thanks! And I hope you also learned some stuff by going over the article. Chinese history is a vast subject.Teeninvestor (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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