User talk:PatriciaBishop

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Thank you!PatriciaBishop (talk) 23:56, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about International Relations Lecture Series
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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Whether this article should be included in Wikipedia or not depends on Wikipedia's notability policy which you can see here. Basically, if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article. In this instance, is this lecture series widely known? Are the lectures reported or discussed in national or local media sources? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Deb Lavender, from its old location at User:PatriciaBishop/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. -Liancetalk/contribs 04:14, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Deb Lavender (September 16)
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Bkissin (talk) 13:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

International Relations Lectures Series - Move to Draft Space?
Hi. Should I move this article into a draft space until I can finish the research to complete it?PatriciaBishop (talk) 14:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you should leave it where it is while it is being considered at AfD, which is normally one week. What you really need is to demonstrate that the lecture series is notable. Is the series discussed nationally, in the press, in magazines or on television? Has the series been discussed in books? Do the lectures later appear in print, or are the recipients just a few hundred people sitting in a lecture theatre? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate your help and direction. It doesn't look as though two other St. Louis articles were held to the high standard you describe. See the Oldani's and Hellmuth, Obata and Kasselbaum architects pages as two examples. There is also a page for Imo's pizza, which is popular but not notable. A speaker series, produced by women, that has been in existence for 90 years is far more notable than the subjects of those articles which have already been accepted for publication.PatriciaBishop (talk) 20:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am afraid "other stuff exists" is not a good argument, but we'll see what happens at AfD. Would people in Springfield or Kansas City know about these lectures? By the way, you should not include external links in the main body of the text, see External links. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, my argument is not "other stuff exists," it's that the subject matter of this article is being unreasonably held to a higher standard than many other articles, I believe, because the subject isn't in the popular culture. Why does a St. Louis bit of history have to be discussed nationally, be on TV, and discussed in books? The bar keeps getting raised for this article. I did not put the category "event" or "St. Louis events" on the article, and those categories should be removed.PatriciaBishop (talk) 13:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * If you can find and add any references to show the notability of the lecture series, that will help. Meanwhile, we will see how things go. My advice to you would be to find a more notable person or subject to work on. Have you come across the Women in Red Project? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:59, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi PatriciaBishop I hope you’re ok and making progress on your draft. Let me know if our like me to look at anything. All the best Mccapra (talk) 21:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Mccapra It will take a while to sort this. I found more records but they are in a terrible state. Currently working on the best, brief article I can write with extant material from this week's visit to Missouri State Archives. I hope it will be comprehensive enough to meet standards. The full article is a long-term project, I fear. Thank you for your offer of help. Have a wonderful weekend.--PatriciaBishop (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok good luck with it. Mccapra (talk) 22:57, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Deb Lavender concern
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Your draft article, Draft:International Relations Lecture Series


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:07, 8 April 2020 (UTC)