User talk:Patricia StandTal Clarke

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 * Would you please review the changes and advise if it can by published. Patricia StandTal Clarke (talk) 22:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023
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 * Reta Rainwater wrote an article about me. I believe it was written for an American Indian organization. She sent it to me for verification of the facts. I don’t know much about Wiki and accidentally erased it. I tried to recreate it and send it back to her. I’m sorry for the confusion. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 02:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * I have reverted this users blanking of their talk page to hide this history and am looking over this after being contacted by another editor. I think there are multiple issues here - autobio as well as socking. There's the clear link to the Rainwater account, which overlaps editing with this one, the two IPs and also another which has duplicated the editing (including same errors) as both.
 * Looks like WP:DUCK. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 17:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The usual SPI tools aren't helpful due to the overlaps being on drafts, sandboxes, and deleted contribs / moved pages. But looking at them, er, manually? the overlaps are there. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 17:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This is Patricia Clarke. I don't understand any of what you said above. But this I know. Robert Weston is a Native American scholar who teaches in NY. He came to Arizona to teach a course and, if I understand correctly, learned about my work at the university. There are very few persons (let alone women) who do what I do. He wanted others to know about me for their encouragement and mentoring, to know there are Native women who have been successful in medicine and theology. I have yet to meet him. Reta Rainwater is a colleague of mine who works in medicine. She too is a Native woman. I consult on occasion at a medical clinic in which she consults. Robert Weston sent Reta a copy of a report he had made about me and wanted to know if it was accurate. She sent it to me. I was asked to type what was accurate into Wiki and send it to her. I used the document she sent me from him. Once I was told I shouldn't do that, I deleted my page. I thought that was what Wiki wanted me to do. I am sorry this has turned into a mess! I was trying to be helpful in verifying facts for Mr. Weston. I think he was trying to do good for all the Native women who dream of becoming a Native physician and/or theologian. I know of Reta. I think she too was trying to do good for the young Native women who need women mentors... especially in medicine and theology. My hunch is she is like me, and knows nothing about how Wiki works or how you want facts to be verified. What can any of us do to make this right? 98.191.177.237 (talk) 19:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Patricia, I'm sorry but Reta is a business associate of yours with Red Road Medicine, listed as agent and affiliate. https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_az/10653306 This would be a conflict of interest. Are you sure that Robert Weston is a Native scholar? Because from what I can see he's the coordinator of Gender and Sexuality Studies at Bard (which is cool). The sources that were provided were all original research, much of the information was unsourced and there was a lot of nonsense and puffery.
 * It's a shame that you haven't met any Native women in the medical field as well as ethnobotany (which we call *ethnobotany*, no need for twee wording, this is an encyclopedia). The number of Native women in medicine grows every year and a good number of reservations and reserves have traditional birthing centers with Native midwives. I don't really know about theology, I tend to spend my time around traditional peeps :) Indigenous girl (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I said Reta and I consult at the same medical clinic. She stated to me she did not write the report about me. She was contacted by Mr. Weston hoping she could verify its accuracy. She wasn't sure and asked me to do so. We did not know that was against the rules. The article is Mr. Weston's doing. I do not know him. I can not verify what is does. I was told he is a Native scholar, perhaps that was inaccurate. I do know many Native women in medicine. There are less then 0.5% Native doctors. I know of <450 who are listed with the Association of American Indian Physicians, most are men. What is unique about me is that I was trained in the 1960's early 1970's as an Eastern Band Cherokee Traditional Native medicine healer and then went to seminary to study white man's theology and then went to medical school to study white man's medicine. As you may know, our Eastern Band medicine is both theology and medicine. I have become very successful in blending Traditional North American Native medicine with Western medicine and theology. I believe Mr. Weston felt that an important message to convey to young urban and reservation Native women. You would have to ask him why he is so eager to have his article in Wiki. Is there anything we can do to make this right? 98.191.177.237 (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Who trained you at Qualla? The folks that were/are doctoring were/are well known to the community (it's not my community). Maybe I can gain access to something like the One Feather, where the person who taught you doctoring spoke in the One Feather or something. You do know that there are Cherokee doctors right at the Cherokee Indian clinic, right? There's also men and women with MSWs at the Mother Town Healing Program. I actually know somebody with two degrees in the medical field from Qualla who is sitting right here with me. I find the term 'white man's theology' interesting. As a pastor in the UCC I would think you would acknowledge the majority of biblical folk as brown. I was under the impression that assimilated Cherokee/those that adopted Christianity are primarily Baptist because of the association of going to water? At least that is what is being conveyed to me by somebody who grew up there. Western medicine and traditional medicine seem to be the more accepted terms both in the academy and in community. With regard to Reta, it would appear that the two of you are more than consultants with Red Road Medicine, that is, unless you haven't updated your 501C3 data to current. Indigenous girl (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, both Reta and I have had leadership positions with RedRoad Medicine. I have been in a Directorship for decades. She is rather new to leadership at RedRoad. In medicine, my expereince has been unless you are a staff physician, it is common to speak of oneself as a consultant. I also work at other clinics (including IHS) as does Reta. Not sure what that has to do with the fact that neither Reta nor I wrote Mr. Weston's article. He wrote it, sent it via email to Reta, who sent it via email to me for the purpose of verification of the facts. I was asked to type it into Wiki making sure it was accurate. I then sent the wiki document to Reta via a wiki link. Once wiki said that was against the rules, I deleted the page. She told me she did the same. She tells me she sent a copy via email to Mr. Weston and told him we were not going to be involved with his article anymore because it was against the rules. If Mr. Weston wants to write an article about me, I think he ought to be able to. I am saddened he can't check the facts with me, but if that is the rule, so be it. 98.191.177.237 (talk) 23:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, both Reta and I have had leadership positions with RedRoad Medicine. I have been in a Directorship for decades. She is rather new to leadership at RedRoad. In medicine, my expereince has been unless you are a staff physician, it is common to speak of oneself as a consultant. I also work at other clinics (including IHS) as does Reta. Not sure what that has to do with the fact that neither Reta nor I wrote Mr. Weston's article. He wrote it, sent it via email to Reta, who sent it via email to me for the purpose of verification of the facts. I was asked to type it into Wiki making sure it was accurate. I then sent the wiki document to Reta via a wiki link. Once wiki said that was against the rules, I deleted the page. She told me she did the same. She tells me she sent a copy via email to Mr. Weston and told him we were not going to be involved with his article anymore because it was against the rules. If Mr. Weston wants to write an article about me, I think he ought to be able to. I am saddened he can't check the facts with me, but if that is the rule, so be it. 98.191.177.237 (talk) 23:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Patricia, you are writing a lot of confusing things about the other two accounts, but you are the one who created the article about yourself: diff. Reta, if it is her, has made zero edits. What the Robert account pasted in was an exact copy of what you did (admins can see the deleted versions). Even if everything you relate about the other accounts is accurate, it is off-wiki collaboration to write an autobiography which is against protocol. A look at deleted contribs (which all admins can see) also shows the massive number of page moves you've engaged in while working on your autobio. You need to stop editing it, and stop telling others what to post on Wikipedia for you, if that's what has been happening. If you have used multiple accounts, stop that as well. Also, anyone can see that your email on your personal website, which you use as a source on your autobio, is RedRoadMedicine, which redirects to your personal page. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 22:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * No CorbieVreccan, I did NOT write the article. Mr Weston did. He sent it via email to Reta Rainwater, a colleague of mine who knew how to get it to me via email. I was asked to type his article into wiki as a way to verify the accuracy. I thought he was being a good scholar by making sure his facts were accurate. I was then to send it to Reta via wiki who was suppose to send it to Mr. Weston via wiki. However, we didn't get that far. Just after I sent it to her I was told it was against the rules. Once I was told this was not allowed, I deleted the page. I told Reta to do the same and to tell Mr. Weston I was not going to be involved. I don't understand what you are saying about RedRoad Medicine. 98.191.177.237 (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I should add... when Mr Weston first sent his article about me to Reta who then sent it to me, I started the task and then got busy with treating the dying Navajo folks on the reservation. That became the focus of my world for years. I completely forgot about it until years later (maybe a month ago) she told me he had contacted her again and wanted to finish it. Who knew there was so much politics in wiki. Makes one stop and think about the accuracy of it. 98.191.177.237 (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Re-read what I said above. When you delete things on here, everyone can still see your edit history. Additionally, I, and all admins, can also see all the deleted pages that regular users cannot see. You've already admitted to violating the WP:COI and WP:MEAT policies, so it really is a waste of everyone's time trying to confuse the issue. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 18:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No confusion. Just the truth as I see it. You have made some accusations that I do not believe to be true. I deleted my pages to indicate I was trying to comply with admin requests. If I knew how to delete my user account I would. I have no intention of editing any articles or interacting with Mr. Weston. I did not willingly violate any policies. This has not been a friendly experience. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 19:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Patricia. I don't think anyone is trying to be intentionally unfriendly. There are actions that seem questionable and editors have explained why. That's all. You're making accusations of policy being political, which is not really a friendly form of engagement (I'm not even sure what you are referring to that is political as opposed to policy). I'm trying to help recreate the article with valid sourcing and I've asked you questions to help me do that so that they line up with policy and you keep ignoring me. I cannot put certain information back if I have no way to back it up. I cannot use your website or cv material, nor can I use your thesis. I am trying to help you. Indigenous girl (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Indigenous girl, out of respect for our relations I will attempt to respond to you. But the last words of CorbieVreccan sure feels unfriendly. I thought the whole point was there is a policy that I am not suppose to be involved in the creation of an article about me. If as an admin you are allowed to ask me questions and ask for any sources about which I might know, I am willing to do my best. What do you want to know? 68.2.179.146 (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has policies, it is not political. Accuracy is important here which is why we rely on secondary sources rather than primary. An individual can say whatever they'd like, that doesn't necessarily make it true (I mean this in general, not you specifically).
 * As far as I can tell, you were the one who initiated the article on wikipedia, I don't see any action prior to your content. It doesn't matter if Mr Weston started it off wiki, which I think you are saying happened?
 * Who did you apprentice under at Qualla so I can look for sources? Thanks in advance :) Oh and how did you come to be Wolf clan since the Cherokee are matrilinial? It's my understanding that you are enrolled via your dad. Were you adopted into the clan? I'd like to be able to show this as well as it needs to be backed up with sources. Indigenous girl (talk) 18:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Indigenous girl, are policies not political? Accuracy is important. I support your efforts in that regard. I thought I was contributing to that endeavor. I was trying to respond to someone who seemed to want to get the story straight. I am honestly sorry for any part I had in misunderstanding the policies. I shall stay clear of this domain about which I know so little. I am inspired by your expertise, however. I will leave it to you, other admins, and Mr Weston to work out the details of his article and sources. I feel my integrity has been assaulted. Honesty and integrity are core values to me. I shall say this, my paternal grandmother is/was Wolf Clan. She started my journey as a healer when she introduced me to the Plant People. The flute, as pipe, grounds me amongst my tree relatives. My father was devasted by his Residential School experience. He died at an early age due to his alcoholism. He was Baptist, but he lost his way toward the water. When I went to seminary, many denominations did not accept women. The UCC was very supportive and progressive. I trained with seven elders at a time when it was against the USA law to do our medicine. I saw elders go to jail and never be seen again. Sources? Perhaps they are with the ancestors.
 * At the age of 70 winters, it does my heart good to hear of younger (assumption?) Native folk walking the Traditional way. Thank you for the good way you walk. And oh... I think of the Biblical characters as black, now that you mention it. I suppose all humans ultimately came from the horn of Africa. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 20:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Patricia. The policies here are to keep things from being political :) At least they're supposed to. I'm having a really hard time trying to corroborate things. Like with your dad. Residential school records are public information from the time he would have attended but I can't find him having attended any. I can only find him living in Tennessee along with his parents and their parents. I have relatives that attended residential school in Canada and I can track them easily and it's generally easy to track kids here in the US too. I don't remember ever running into an issue. I guess there's a first time for everything! Can you tell me which school he went to so I can grab a link to the records? Also, do you know what other names Juda Huddleston and William Henry Clarke and their parents would have gone by since they are not on the Baker roll? It didn't even occur to me about the Baptist Church (and variations there of) didn't allow women as clergy! I forget about these things because they're so different now. I'm going to keep plugging away looking for information to try and rebuild the article. Have a great weekend! Indigenous girl (talk) 23:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Indigenous girl, I thank you for all your hard work. My father was a very stoic individual. He did not talk much about his history other than to teach me our basic values in Creator, land, and relatives (winged, four legged, etc). He was the first to teach me of ceremony. But he was always insistant I not talk about it with others. I remember the fear in his eyes. I have the understanding he was taken at an early age. We were told his sibblings had gone off to war. I remember a picture of him barefoot wandering around town no older than 5 in appearance. That is the only picture I ever saw of him before the Air Force. He just told us he was taken against his will off to residential school and he lost himself. He told us when he graduated from HS he went to a state college. That the Air Force came to him and convinced him to join them to become a pilot. That he wanted to be a doctor but the classes he took as premed worked toward becoming a pilot. That he felt he had lost his tribe until the Air Force took him in and made him feel wanted. He was a very proud officer and veteran. When he was alive I didn't consider getting details. As a family, we understood those were hard times for him and we didn't ask about it. I have no idea what school he went to or even what college. He was an officer so I know he graduated. Frankly, I didn't think much about it until the children were found burried in the Canadian school rather recently. Oh ya, I remember when he died I saw his birth certificate or at least it was with his military papers. It had one of his brother's name typed on it which was crossed off with his name "Howard" handwritten on it. Who his real parent were was always a bit of a guess. Gandma Eva (when I moved from Georgia to UC Berkeley I stopped off to spend time with her and have a picture I took) was the person I came to know/knew to be his mother, but her name was not the one on the birth certificate. I thought that was very odd after my having been the OB for nearly 3000 babies. But back then and that part of Tennessee, not sure. He was not close to his family. He was the one that made certain I knew I was Eastern Band Cherokee. He talked about the importance of the old way and to never let anyone take that away from me. At the same time, he always struck me as afraid to be seen as Indian. The names of his peeps... hmm. I know there were name changes, but I don't know details. I know folks would go to prison and there were secrets. These were things we just did not talk about. Makes me sad to think about his likely history. Seems odd telling a stranger these things. I feel I have generational grief of what I do not know. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 00:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Patricia. I need to get off of the computer but I wanted to let you know that I found your father's high school graduation picture (: If you would like a copy of it you can email me from my talk page and I can send it to you! Oh and in your thesis it states Reta is your wife so that is another conflict of interest so it's good that she will not be editing anymore <3 I haven't found name changes or anything but I am still looking for stuff for the article so hopefully I will come across it so I can back up the stuff that was removed. Have a great night! Indigenous girl (talk) 02:09, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I would love a copy. I think you have my email, but if not, how do I send it to you via your talk page? 68.2.179.146 (talk) 02:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I came back to tell you that Edith and Juda are the same person. Juda Edith Huddleston Clarke :) And I found more pictures of your dad!! If you go to my talk page, on the left hand side there is a menu. Scroll down to Tools. The email button is your 5th choice. Indigenous girl (talk) 02:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I can’t figure it out. Went to user talk:Indigenous girl. To the left is …welcome, a present for you… but if you go to Shedoc.com… at the bottom of the page you will see my email. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 03:54, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, Edith was the name on the birth certificate which had another man’s name crossed out and “Howard” written in. She is not the woman my father said to be my Grandmother Eva. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 03:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Patricia/IP, the reason why articles and drafts are vetted is precisely to insure accuracy and maintain the integrity of the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Patricia/IP, I'm confused, first you said that Reta Rainwater (your partner/colleague) wrote the article, but then you said that Robert Weston wrote it. Could you please clarify so that it can be better understood? Netherzone (talk) 19:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh my, more questions? Reta sent to me via email a document which later I learned was originated from Mr Weston, whom I do not know. Over the decades I have had many people ask for accuracy about a bio written about me by staff or others for purposes of publications, keynote speaking engagements, credentialing, and the like. Reta asked me to review the document for accuracy and post it to a wiki account and then send it to her via a wiki account. I had no previous experience with wiki and had no idea this was against policy. Once I learned it was, I deleted the contents of the page and then the page itself. I thought this is what the wiki admin folks wanted. To my mind, that was the end of it. It seems to have initiated a host of interest with lots of accusations and questions. As I have said, I am sorry I ignorantly stumbled upon wiki policies. I shall not edit any articles about myself or others for I clearly do not undertand the process. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Patricia StandTal Clarke/IP, the reason for the questions is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not some random website. Contributions are vetted by other editors and reviewers to check for the accuracy of claims and "facts" especially in biographies of living persons WP:BLP. Claims that cannot be verified WP:V to reliable sources WP:RS must be removed, which is what Indigenous girl is doing. Our guidelines and policies have been created over the past 20 years by the WP community based on the process of consensus. These policies and guidelines are why the accuracy of claims and "facts" must be vetted in articles - again, this is how the integrity of the encyclopedia is maintained. If a person has their own personal website they can say anything they want about themselves whether or not it is true. However because we are an encyclopedia that millions of readers around the globe count on for accuracy, we must insure that the information contained wherein is true according to fully independent reliable sources. If sources exist for the claims Indigenous girl is trying to verify please add them here. No one is being unfriendly or attacking you, but we need to insure that: 1) you are not using the encyclopedia for advocacy/promotion, esp. given the conflict of interest WP:COI, 2) you are not using multiple accounts, and 3) the claims made by you, Rita or Robert are verifiable and accurate and that those claims are backed up by independent reliable sources. Hope that helps. Netherzone (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Netherzone, I have only used one wiki account. As of the time I deleted the content of my user page, I have not used any wiki account. Nor do I intent in the future to use a wiki account. I obviously do not know (or perhaps even understand) the policies. I do understand the importance of vetting. I do not intend for any article about me in wiki to be an advocacy/promotion. If that was my intent, I would have allowed the university IT department to create such an entry as they have many of my colleagues. That is not my way. I see the value of young Native women learning about a person who walks the RedRoad of Native Tradition and has studied theology and medicine and has succeeded in academia and practice to merge the two. I spend a great deal of my energy fostering such women for entrance into seminary and/or medical school. For that reason and out of respect for Indigenous girl I continue to exert time and energy in responding to wiki admin email. With some guidance, I will do my best to answer her questions and direct her to any sources that might be useful. Thank you for your clarification. 68.2.179.146 (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm really done with this unless it's to press the block button but, again, when you say you didn't write the article, all anyone has to do is look at your contributions to see that you are not telling the truth. (Per WP:MEAT and WP:LOUTSOCK, edits count per user, not per named account or IP, if the pattern shows it's the same user. But even if we left the other accounts out of it, the evidence shows it is an autobio.)

Your edit history, and the edit history and timelines of all the accounts show that you started and wrote the article piecemeal, changing wording, adding and removing things, as people do with a work in progress. You started with 10 edits with your named account, then an IP edit, then 9 more edits writing about yourself with your named account; then three more as Patricia, then two more with your IP, ten more with your named account, then one as "Reta Rainwater" that blanks the page (which you stress that you did) with the edit summary "mistake", which you said "you" realized. Then 7 more edits with this account before again blanking the page.

Whether the third account that then copied and pasted the draft is run by another person, or is you yet again, doesn't matter. This history clearly shows it's this account - you - that wrote the autobio. Whether the other two people collaborated, or even know that you're using their names, is on you. But stop abusing the Wikipedia community with this farce. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 20:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Robert.Weston.NY, I saw your messages on the Draft:Patricia StandTal Clarke talk page, and am pinging you here at the user talk page of Patricia StandTal Clarke, as this is where most of the discussion is located. Ms. Clarke shared with us that you are the Native American scholar who met her and then wrote the draft which you sent to her wife and business colleague, Reta, who then emailed it to her to upload.
 * Some of our editors have asked questions of Ms. Clarke about her biographic background in the hopes that that might be useful in improving the draft, however no fully independent, published reliable sources (references) have been found to verify the information. It seems Ms. Clarke was unable to answer the questions that could help to verify the claims in the article. Please read the discussion above for the history of the conversation.
 * Perhaps you have something to share here? Thank you, Netherzone (talk) 03:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks to me Dr. Clarke stated she was not going to edit the article because your editors told her it was not appropriate. Would you please tell me what in my article needs further sources. I have review several articles about women doctors and surgeons who have similar sources. Robert.Weston.NY (talk) 03:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Robert.Weston.NY, All claims in the article need to be backed up by fully independent, verifiable, published reliable sources. For example, I noticed that you changed the short description on the draft to: Native American Physician, Theologian, Academic, Diplomat. If these are the claims expanded on in the draft, each of them need to be referenced as inline citations. In other words please add independent published sources to back up the claims of her Native heritage (Eastern Band Cherokee, ᎠᏂᏩᏯ, "Aniwahya" Wolf Clan) and Sámi, and published sources that back up the claims that she is a notable physician, academic and theologian - please see WP notability criteria here: Notability (academics)), and as a notable diplomat see WP:NPOL, and as notable clergy/religious persons see: WP:CLERGY. Our general notability guideline is here: WP:GNG. Each claim in the article needs referencing, and for a draft to be approved she must meet notability standards. Netherzone (talk) 03:41, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you see the reference the National Institute of Medicine wrote about her? Robert.Weston.NY (talk) 03:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that, which alone is not enough to meet any of our notability criteria. Please check the links above for more information on how notability works on WP; it is very different than how academic publishing works. We need fully independent, secondary sources, not sources that are directly connected to the article subject. Netherzone (talk) 18:36, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages
Hello, Patricia StandTal Clarke,

Please stop randomly moving pages around multiple times. Each time you do so, you create a redirect and often an admin like me has to come along and clean up after you. You have no reason to move a page into project/Wikipedia space and I'm not sure why you moved your sandbox into the sandbox of another editor. If you are using more than one account, you have to identify it as yours on both your User page and the User page of the other account.

But please, please, count to 10 before you move a page so you know you are making a good decision. Doing multiple page moves (over and over again) shows that you are an inexperienced editor and may not know what you are doing.

If you have questions on article creation and Wikipedia policies, please bring them to the Teahouse. They have more patience than I do. Liz Read! Talk! 00:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I stopped moving stuff around and just deleted everything as it sounds you didn't like what I was doing. No malace intended. 98.191.177.237 (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)