User talk:Patriciojorgemorales

Homewreckers & Heartbreakers
Hi Patricio,

I see that you created Homewreckers & Heartbreakers. There was a consensus at Articles for deletion/Homewreckers & Heartbreakers to redirect to the band's page, so before you recreate the article, please find multiple, reliable, independent sources that discuss the topic in detail. --Slashme (talk) 10:21, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Slashmetal

i created the article because i have found enough sources:
 * the reissue of the record in quireboys' web page: https://quireboys.com/album/homewreckers-heartbreakers/
 * the 2008' record in amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001A540SW?pf_rd_p=c2945051-950f-485c-b4df-15aac5223b10&pf_rd_r=XJGNP936NCZWJH3ZZ7W0
 * in discogs: https://www.discogs.com/es/The-Quireboys-Homewreckers-Heartbreakers/release/4275582
 * news of 2008: http://sleazeroxx.com/quireboys-to-release-homewreckers-and-heartbreakers-on-june-23rd/
 * an old review: http://capitainpoon.blogspot.com/2008/10/quireboys-homewreckers-heartbreakers.html
 * and, in the wikipedia article is this paragraph dedicated to that album: ''On 12 May 2008, The Quireboys released their next album Homewreckers & Heartbreakers on the Jerkin Crocus label. Talking about the inspiration for the new album, Paul Guerin said "It's a funny story. We were in Malmö, Sweden in the dressing room. It was just before the show and we'd had a few frothy quenchers. We were trying to come up with album titles, and everyone was laughing at the suggestions. A certain member of the band was regaling a story about something he'd done, and another member of the band said "you're just a home wrecker," and someone else said "yeah, and a heartbreaker". We were just having a laugh, and bang, there it was. It was as simple as that."

so, i can't understand why you are ignoring this album...


 * Hi Patricio,


 * To have its own article on Wikipedia, a topic needs to be notable. The general notability guideline says that a topic is notable if it's been discussed in detail in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources. Looking at your sources that you list above:
 * The quireboys home page isn't independent: it's self-published.
 * An Amazon listing is advertising, not a reliable source and not independent.
 * Discogs is just a database listing, and doesn't discuss the topic in detail.
 * The Sleazeroxx site is a very short announcement of an upcoming album, not a review.
 * The review you gave is a blog post, and they're not generally considered to be reliable sources.
 * The Wikipedia article isn't an independent source: we can't cite one Wikipedia article by referring to another.


 * Hasn't the album been discussed in detail in any media with editorial oversight? --Slashme (talk) 08:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Slashme you got to excuse me, but i still can't understand the point. its clear 'Homewreckers & Heartbreakers' is a quireboys album, and they are reissuing now with are lot of new reviews where they say '2008 reissue'. but, if you need news from 2008, i've found a few i don't know if youtube is used like source, but there it is, the video of their sinlge 'mona lisa smiled' published in 2009 don't know what else you may need.
 * http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-quireboys-homewreckers-heartbreakers-in-store-release-date-announced/
 * https://muertoalos27.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/los-mejores-discos-de-la-decada/ (best album of the decade, nº59)
 * http://www.rocktimes.de/gesamt/opq/quireboys/homewreckers_and_heartbreakers.html
 * http://www.musicwaves.fr/frmReview.aspx?ID=5741&REF=THE-QUIREBOYS_Homewreckers--Heartbreakers (2010 review)
 * https://www.mudkiss.com/quireboysmrkyps.htm (a live review)
 * https://hardrockhideout.com/2008/12/27/hard-rock-hideouts-top-15-of-2008i/ (a best records list from 2008)
 * http://www.funwithmusic.de/oldiemarkt/Flashback/pdf-files/OM-12-2008.pdf (i can't belive i've found a 2008 magazine on pdf!!! there it's, on page 27, next to spike's album)
 * http://www.coveralia.com/caratulas/The-Quireboys-Homewreckers-y-Heartbreakers-Trasera.php (that's the original back cover of 2008)
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK0PnmdS7Ns
 * http://www.auxportesdumetal.com/reviews/TheQuireboys/thequireboys-homewreckersandheartbreakers.html (a last minute adition!)


 * Hi Patricio,


 * You've found some much better sources now, so you're now in a good position to rescue the article.


 * You say "I still can't understand the point", so let me try to make it clearer: it's not so much about finding many sources, it's about finding:
 * high quality sources (i.e. where our readers can trust that what is in the source is true - is there editorial control? Do they have a good reputation?)
 * independent sources (Is it just disguised advertising or is it really a review by a music journalist?)
 * sources that discuss the topic in detail (not just a brief announcement or mention)


 * I'm not saying that only sources that fulfil these criteria can be used in an article, but before a topic can be considered notable, you need more than one source that hits all of these points.
 * Of the sources that you listed now, blabbermouth, rocktimes, auxportesdumetal, musicwaves and Oldiemarkt all look good; muertoalos seems to be just a blog, but I suppose you could link to it to support minor facts.


 * I wouldn't link to youtube in this case. Although videos can be used as sources, I can't see the value of linking to a video of a single.


 * I'm sure that if you recreate the article using these sources, nobody will have a problem with it. I'm also very willing to help with the formatting etc. --Slashme (talk) 09:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

hi, slashme i've created again the page, and you deleted it? now i'm very confused. i thought we could change it... what did i do wrong?


 * You did nothing wrong: another user noticed that it had been recreated again, but didn't see our discussion here. I've put back your version with a bit of cleanup of the sources.
 * It's of course possible that Onel5969 will still not be convinced that the album is notable, but then (s)he can start a new deletion discussion where you'll have a chance to make your position clear. --Slashme (talk) 19:19, 10 January 2019 (UTC)