User talk:Patrick/Feb 2008 - Dec 2009

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E template issue
Your highly appropriate change of this template so that it follows the MOS guideline has been reverted by some dickhead called Knowledge Seeker. Template_talk:E Tony   (talk)  07:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections
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Centralized discussion about dates
Hi Patrick. I noticed you created Category:Dates and there is currently a centralized discussion going on, at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Removal of many individual date articles, about individual date articles (after June 30, 2003 was listed for deletion by someone). Your input on these articles would be appreciated. Thanks. --Pixelface (talk) 18:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Age templates
Sorry about the age templates. I had tested them in all the places that I use them, but didn't think of them being used in equations. I've added nts versions of the templates at age/nts and age in days/nts. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Help:Namespace
Hi Patrick. We stumbled on each others edits a lot lately, seems you are hard working in partly the same areas as I am. :)

I noticed you changed the links in the section "Template programming" that I had added to meta:Help:Namespace (Help:Namespace). Your edit comment and the change doesn't seem to match, or I am missunderstanding what you tried to achieve. So here's what I see:


 * The way you used mlw didn't change anything, as far as I can see. The way I coded it made it look exactly the same. Both ways also make the link to a local blue link on the English Wikipedia.


 * I agree that my edit summary does not apply, I thought on Wikipedia en: would give interwiki link style, like w:. Even so, the problem with en: is that when copying the wikitext to wikibooks etc. the target would be wrong. Also, mlw has additional Linksearch functionality.--Patrick (talk) 07:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You used tiw on the template names. The old way I used already made the links turn local blue on the English Wikipedia. But if you really wanted to add all those tiny "( talk edit history links )" then I see what you were doing. But that adds unnecessary complexity to the text. And I think it is much better that the first-time visitors to that template come directly to Template:Main talk other and see its documentation, rather than clicking one of the "( talk edit history links )".


 * tiw on Wikipedia does not have a history link. I also removed the talk link. tiw and tim are the standard ways of linking to templates from help pages.--Patrick (talk) 07:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

As I see it you made the text dependant of more templates and thus more likely to break when replicated on other language Wikipedias and on other projects, without really adding anything. Or what am I missing?


 * As mentioned, avoiding en: helps in this regard. Yes, each wiki needs these templates, but there are only a few of this kind.--Patrick (talk) 07:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and you can respond here, I'll be watching this talk page.

--David Göthberg (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah now I see, thanks. I have also read up a little meanwhile, so now I understand better what you mean. (I think that was my first edit to such meta help documents.) I didn't know when I coded that that "en:" links cause problems on Wikibooks etc. And I just tested, you are right, "w:" links doesn't turn into local links here at Wikipeida. :(
 * And I hope mlw is available at all the projects as you say. Since I see now that you are right about it doing a better job.
 * So, since I don't like the extra links that tiw causes then I guess I should change all the links to using mlw to get the look I want.
 * This interwiki stuff is tricky.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 09:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

now broken, please revert
Hi Patrik. I saw you stumbled on one of the more subtle details of main talk other. Empty versus not defined template parameters are not the same thing. So I left a message for you at Template talk:Main talk other. I knew I should have documented the details of that code more...

--David Göthberg (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Another admin reverted your edit, so now the template works again. That was a subtle thing so I am not surprised you didn't see it. Its pretty counter intuitive that doesn't produce the default for empty but defined variables.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 14:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I know the difference between empty and undefined, but that an empty "demospace" is supposed to work like an undefined one was only implicitly suggested in the usage example section. I added that to the Basic functionality section.--Patrick (talk) 15:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I took a look, yeah good addition. Thanks for helping with ironing out the kinks in the documentation.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 19:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Help desk
It seems like you have helped a user with something (see ). However that did NOT have to do with Wikipedia, the free encylcopedia. See WP:NOT for more info on this.  Not hing  4  44  14:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Strictly it belongs on, but the answer is as short as a link to there.--Patrick (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * yea but still  Not hing  4  44  19:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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TfD nomination of Template:Ft
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Suppressing printing of placeholder images
Good day! I have a couple of questions.

I noticed that you wrote the Template:Image class and successfully added it to Template:Infobox actor and that placeholder images do not print on articles with Infobox actor. I presumed this was due to the class="metadata dummy" of image class but when I tried adding Image class to Template:Infobox Gridiron football person, it still shows on the print view. Did I do it incorrectly or was there something else done with Infobox actor to prevent placeholders printing?

This is also very pertinent to a discussion going on about placeholder images at Centralized discussion/Image placeholders and I wonder if you could pipe in with your opinion and expertise on this matter particularly in Technical limitations of present system section but, of course, generally as well.

Thanks, Double Blue  (Talk) 01:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I see you fixed my capitalisation error on Infobox Gridiron football person! Much appreciated. Double Blue (Talk) 02:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Contents
I revised Category:Contents to be based on Namespace. Since you have the most contributions to Wikipedia:Namespace (see WP Page stats), would you please look at Category:Contents and approve/modify as needed. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 18:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

New Project
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TfD nomination of Template:Rdt
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 * Apparently should be Templates for deletion.--Patrick (talk) 21:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Elements of Dynamic Symmetry
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Proposed deletion of Clothing laws by country
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 * I removed the chart Diff, going to look to see if I can find a reference for anything in the text. Jeepday (talk) 22:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Found a couple references, and made a few changes per the references. Moving on to other article now. Jeepday (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Funny Games U.S.
Can you please show me where the consensus was to move this to the new title?--CyberGhostface (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

If you feel it should be moved to Funny Games U.S., then please list it at Requested moves. And if you move a page, it's always good to fix any redirects that will be caused as a result. Thanks!  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The discussion is at Talk:Funny_Games_%282008_film%29.--Patrick (talk) 07:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: UEFA Euro 2008
OK, fair enough, but I assume the "abbr" parameter in the table actually does something or it serves no purpose. Could we not find a less invasive way of displaying what the abbreviations stand for than a big ugly template? – PeeJay 10:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I wondered about that "abbr" too, it does not do anything, it seems. Linking the headers to an explanation is another possibility.--Patrick (talk) 10:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. What we really need is a single appendix-style page that any football article can link to. It would negate the need for keys and legends in most articles. Another alternative would be making it so that the expanded term comes up as a tooltip when you roll over the abbreviation. – PeeJay 10:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That is fine, but do not remove a legend before creating a proper replacement!--Patrick (talk) 20:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The Happening
Was the film any good? I'm interested in seeing it, but not sure if it's worth seeing in theaters or waiting for the DVD release. — Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I liked the first part, after that it was more of the same.--Patrick (talk) 23:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding my help desk question
Oh hey, I'd completely forgotten to check on that — but your solution seems to have worked! Thanks much! $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 19:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Minor edits
Patrick --

Just in the future, when you are moving pages or chaning pages to redirects, I think it would be helpful if you did not mark those changes as "minor edits". It makes it difficult to effectively monitor a watchlist. Thanks &#124;► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄&#124; (talk) 16:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? A move cannot be marked as minor. I just marked a change in a redirect to fix a double redirect as minor.--Patrick (talk) 23:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

re. Converting file to HTML so it works for email
Patrick, thanks for addressing my question. Could you please explain how I convert the file on the address bar to HTML so I can copy/paste? Thanks. JohnClarknew (talk) 14:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Things depend on operating system, browser, and email program. I tried to explain in Help_desk how it works for me. As I said, when I copy the rendered link itself (not the URL in the address bar), and use HTML-format in email program Outlook (a setting, not a conversion I have to do myself), the link works.--Patrick (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't have the background to take this all in, but on a hit or miss basis I have made it work, so thanks for taking the time to understand my question. JohnClarknew (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing HMS2Deg
How did you find it? (The sound you hear is Saintrain (talk) 21:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)'s head hitting desk repeatedly.)


 * I noticed the error from the example.--Patrick (talk) 21:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean the template in the 1st place? The VP post?  Saintrain (talk) 22:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_45.--Patrick (talk) 05:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Diminishing and increasing marginal utility
The only thing required for diminishing marginal utility is that
 * $$e_{n+1}\prec e_n$$

where $$e_i$$ is the best possible use of the $$i$$ unit of the good or service. The only thing required for increasing marginal utility is that
 * $$e_{n+1}\succ e_n$$

Neither of these imply any quantification of utility, and certainly none of the examples that you furnished imply quantification of utility. There is no good purpose in adding an assumption of quantification to the section of “Marginal utility” which discusses the “law” of diminishing marginal utility. The article discusses quantified utility in due course.

And please be aware that mainstream economics has made a terrible hash of things when it comes to labelling various conceptions as “ordinal” or as “cardinal”. Not only do most economists confuse various possible sorts of quantifications, but they don't even engage in the same confusions, so that one author will use “cardinal” for any case where only affine transforms are allowed (eg, for EU maximizers), and another will use it to mean cases where interpersonal arithmetic is allowed, and much wanking has been echoing through the literature for literally decades as a result. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 02:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Negative number fix for template:nts
Please take a look at Template_talk:Sort. -- Tcncv (talk) 06:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

mediawiki
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Template:Cite news
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Proposed deletion of RESTORE
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Kinetic energy talk
Patrick, could you please take this to this guy's talk page and keep it there? This really is not appropriate for an article's talk page. Other than that, we both know this will never end, right? Thanks, DVdm (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A short answer can better be put under the question.--Patrick (talk) 21:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not if after two warnings the question shouldn't have been asked there in the first place. And again, other than that, in some cases no answer is far more effective. DVdm (talk) 08:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

BFJA Awards
could you please add BFJA Awards in incert list in Template:Infobox Actor.--Jayanta Nath (talk) 11:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Seven of Daran
Hee, ik was net van plan om dat artikel aan te maken, tot mijn grote verbasing bestond het al :) Dit is wel een goed interview met Rolf Visser, de initiatiefnemer van de film: http://pauwenwitteman.vara.nl/Archief-detail.113.0.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1132&tx_ttnews[backPid]=111&cHash=eeddc67fc5 . Groet, JACO  PLANE  &bull; 2008-09-25 21:25

AfD nomination of Hatnote
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Template
This Template:Infobox NS-station has a problem. It does not show correctly in articles. Can you fix that? --VanBurenen (talk) 11:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It is fixed. --VanBurenen (talk) 13:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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Kirsten Sheridan
Would you mind semi-protecting the BLP Kirsten Sheridan? An IP editor keeps adding negative gossip with a filmmaker online forum as the ref, despite being pointed to WP:RS. Thanks, Melty girl 21:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Summary field
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RfD nomination of Horizontal dividing line
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Image:Panoramix.png
This image was deleted a long time ago for lack of FUR. Could you undelete it, I will add a FUR, please ? Thanks. --Pah777 (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Done.--Patrick (talk) 23:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello Patrick. Thanks for restauring the file, but I had forgotten to add your talk page to my watchlist, so that I did not see the restoration (and forgot the image). Can you restore it again, please, I will add a fur immediately.
 * I have another question: what is the template you use to welcome the new participants to the wikiprojects ? I wanted to use it for User:Tylerdmace but did not find it. --Pah777 (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

request for third opinion
Hi, I and my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of removing/toning down a section on 'allegation of cruelty' as subsection under 'criticism' section in Operation Blue Star article, concerns include WP:NPOV, the summary of dispute can be found at, please let us know your views/opinion at the talk page of the article so that 'alleged' bias may be looked into and a consensual solution may be found. Thanks LegalEagle (talk) 07:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Template help
Can you help me with the template Template:National Public Radio. I want to add a second parameter for year, so it would be "National Public Radio|21546|2004" and it would read out say "Joe Smith on National Public Radio in 2004". I need it for people who have been interviewed more than once. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Young People Fucking
Hi Patrick, just thought I'd give you a quick tip: Here you wrote "fucking"; generally, we try to avoid adverbs on Wikipedia, additionally, the word conflicts with our neutral tone policy. Just thought I'd bring this to your attention! Thanks! Scarian Call me Pat!  21:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I meant it as a neutral term. If you prefer a different wording, note that your "consents to anal sex" is ambiguous (who penetrates who?).--Patrick (talk) 22:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Uh... even if you had the best intentions with "fucking", it's really not encyclopaedic. Also, "fucking" means sexual intercourse without passion or love; they're a married couple. I shall change it again to make it less ambiguous. Thank you. Scarian Call me Pat!  23:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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Expectation
This edit is unfortunate and I'm surprised that it persisted so long. Just go to expectation and click on "what links here" and you see that a very large number of the links should point to expected value, the mathematical concept. Furthermore, with a very small bit of common sense, one would EXPECT that. Accordingly I've moved the page to expectation (epistemic) and changed expectation to a disambiguation page. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Template substitution
How do I create a conditional new line in wikitext when substituting a template? I'm trying to add a newline when e.g. parameter "align" is present.

1. Sample template : "Template:testnewline" ABC DEF

2. When called empty, it should just create ABC DEF

3. When called as, it should create ABC align = left DEF

but it generates : ABCalign = left DEF

The newline keeps getting stripped as per Meta:Help:Newlines and spaces. I couldn't figure out the workarounds described there, e.g. with Template:For loop. I was wondering if you would help me with this. It would help me improve a template like -- User:Docu


 * Put ABC (or some last part of it) inside the ifeq .--Patrick (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that works. As I like to add several conditional lines, I suppose I just need to put one inside the other. -- User:Docu


 * That does not work if the conditions are independent. In that case another method is needed, like that of Template:Conditional template call with newline (applying it or doing it in a similar way).--Patrick (talk) 23:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I tried to work it out by calling ! with, but still ended up with. BTW I added the optional fields to the documentation at 1 while looking at 2. -- User:Docu


 * I added substctc=subst:, it seems fixed now. I clarified the purpose of p1n and p1v.--Patrick (talk) 08:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It works. I added it as a sample to the documentation. -- User:Docu

Infoboxes
Hi there, I notice you've contributed to quite a few technically bits of Wikipedia, so I was hoping you could help me. I'm currently practicing making an infobox on my userpage. I looked on the page Template:Infobox and found some examples to work on and have also been looking at other infobox templates as a guide too. The problem I am having is how to use optional headers. So, here's my scenario:

I have an infobox about a professional dancer, outlining their personal details, training school and what company they dance with. As dancers are promoted within the company, this influences the roles they play, so I would like to include the date when the dancer was promoted at each rank. However, if no information is provided about when the dancer was promoted, I don't want that section of the infobox to be seen.

This is what I have at the moment:


 * header1 = Dates Promoted


 * label2 = Principal


 * data2  =


 * label3 = Senior Soloist


 * data3  = {{{{Promoted_Snr_Soloist}}}


 * label4 = Soloist


 * data4  =


 * label5 = Senior Corps


 * data5  =

Now I just need to know how to hide all of that if no data is given for any of those fields (Principal - Senior Corps).

I hope I'm making sense, I'm trying to learn this by the bucket science method of "I don't know what I'm doing, but if I keep trying it different ways, I'm sure to get the result I'm after". Thank You!!! Crazy-dancing (talk) 15:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See Template:Infobox.--Patrick (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I would love to know how you d those collapsible bits as well. So for example if you look at the version my userpage, I have included a list of previous companies.  How would I make that into a collapsible list? Crazy-dancing (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See Help:Collapsing.--Patrick (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I will go and read these immediately, your help is much appreciated. Crazy-dancing (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

New Pages
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AfD nomination of J. C. Penney (disambiguation)
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Soest
Can you change that to Soest instead of Soest in all applicable templates? A disambiguation page is not very usefull. Peter Horn 00:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the triplicate, something, I don't know what, went haywire. Peter Horn 00:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Links are specified in Template:Link Dutch municipality (done).--Patrick (talk) 08:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Then why do the following still appear in Pages that link to "Soest" ?

I'm puzzled. Peter Horn 15:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Table row Dutch municipality (simple)
 * 2) Template:Table row Dutch municipality (simple)/doc
 * 3) Table of municipalities of the Netherlands


 * Those can be removed with a null edit (done).--Patrick (talk) 16:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I still have to learn a trick or two. Peter Horn 14:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Kamiel Maase & Talk:Kamiel Maase The cross country race was in which Soest, Soest, Netherlands or Soest, Germany? I'm inclined to think it is the first of the two. Peter Horn 15:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

NNDB
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Sorting help
Thanks for your help at list of coal mines in the United States - couldn't figure it out and it was driving me crazy! Bantman (talk) 22:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I need help
Hello Patrick, I left you a message here about a problem I have in that wiki, I hope you can help me with that. - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ...<font color="#A7FC00">_ Ξ_       .  --  09:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Definition of 'Kowloon peninsula'
I am seeking to change our definition of 'Kowloon peninsula'. See that talk page. Earthlyreason (talk) 06:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Template
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Template:Infobox actor
Hi. I was wondering if you could explain this change and how that works. Is it an automatic suppression or something we must do? Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see Template:Image class names.--Patrick (talk) 07:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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October 2009
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table optimization
Dear Patrick; I made a long wikibreak. Hope that you are fine. I need your help in table optimization at the pages listed at special:PrefixIndex/user:Gangleri/tests/sandbox/squares/rakonto. These pages are part of a new game developed together at commons:category:Collaborative work. Please take a look at the related talk page. You might be interested on some card tricks. Just look at Medias (examples). My friend and me made the videos in a rush. Please enjoy. Best regards

‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 12:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved the page to commons:Commons:Story (game) - collaborative work. Best regards
 * ‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 02:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Seating
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Cycling in the Netherlands
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Voyager 1
Hi! Are there sources for the interesting statements about Voyager 1 you added recently? Thanks! -- Cycl o  pia  talk  13:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed now 15 to 19 m/s per year, found by comparing velocities on two dates from http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-reports/index.htm; 1000 km/s is from Escape_velocity; 4 km/s is from the escape velocity formula; specific energy and terminal velocity are from the formula of kinetic energy.--Patrick (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ehm, this is brilliant, but unfortunately I'd say this violates WP:OR. -- Cycl o  pia  talk  22:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say simple arithmetic is not OR, it just provides some clarification.--Patrick (talk) 22:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Biezelinge
Greetings! I restored this article that you started in 2005 and expanded it with information from the Dutch Wikipedia. If you have any other knowledge on the subject that you'd like to impart, please have at it. Cheers! bd2412 T 22:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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Unreferenced BLPs
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 * 1) Melody Klaver -