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 * Hi Patrick, I'm sure this is going to be easy to fix. As per the "no source" box, it simply says that the source needs to be provided.  This is, if you downloaded this from another website you need to state so in the image description page and provide a link to the site.  If you can also identify who owns the copyright, all the better, but the main thing is showing where it came from so that others can determine whether the use is fair or not.  If you're not sure what to do let me know. Thanks Rossrs 11:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've added the link to the image description page and removed the "no source" tag.  The image is very unusual - I like it.  Rossrs 08:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * no problem. if you could find who owns the copyright and record that also it would be great. very nice image, I must say!  Rossrs 07:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that it will do, but if you ever happen upon further information about the image you could add it. You are obviously a fan, and obviously you look at other material about her so there's a good chance you might one day see something about it, in which case you could update the image description page, but yes, I think it's ok as it is for now. Rossrs 07:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue
I removed the three fields you added because:
 * 1) There are NPOV concerns with those sections, as is noted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines.
 * 2) I originally added the infobox with the "notable songs" and "albums", but they were later removed because as I see now, they are in violation of Wikipedia's neutral point-of-view policy. --  getcrunk   juice  contribs 02:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia neutral point-of-view policy says that The policy requires that, where there are or have been conflicting views, these are fairly presented, but not asserted. All significant points of view are presented, not just the most popular one. It is not asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Her most notable albums and songs can be disputed, thus it's not Wikipedia's place to select some songs/albums over others. Thanks for explaining your position, and I encourage you to argue your point further at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines, where there's a debate on whether those fields should be removed from the infobox. -- getcrunk   juice  contribs 02:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Madonna article
Hi

After reading your comments on her disccusion page, if you feel the article needs improving - which I agree with! - then you can vote for it on the Article Improvement Drive (AID). Click on the link and add your details (it gives info on how to vote at the top of the page). Rimmers 20:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Madonna (entertainer) at www.myspace.com: What's your information that is more of a fanpage then ? In my opinion there both as official as  and all three are probably run by the same people judging from the content and blog entries. www.madonna.com linked to www.myspace.com/madonnamyspace in their news on "8 november 2005" (see their news archive). Bisco 16:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Some more points in response to your answer: 1. /madonnamyspace has an statement on the page that it is "the official madonna@myspace profile" (left side, under the banner pictures). I think official madonna staff would ban this site if it was making false claims. 2. As I said above: madonna.com promoted /madonnamyspace by linking to it. And as far as I know it was the only place to hear "Madonna confessing". I'm assuming these 3 audio files are from official sources (otherwise madonna.com wouldn't have promoted them). Why would these official sources put the files on a fansite instead of one of their official sites madonna.com or /madonna? 3. My ideas on why there are 2 sites: /madonna is part of "myspace music" - see the horizontal "music bar" on top of the page. It's meant for the musical project "Madonna". Whereas /madonnamyspace has been established to be a more "personal profile", therefore the slightly gossipy blogs and why it joined groups. Bisco 03:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * One more: On 25 April 2006 madonna.com announced the new single, the message in their news starting with the line: "Us, at Madonna.com, are happy to confirm...". The next day /madonnamyspace posted almost the same message starting with: "Us, at Madonna.com and Madonna-Myspace, are happy to confirm..." - this suggests to me (as I mentioned above) that both pages are run by the same people (unless /madonnamyspace is making false claims). Bisco 17:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course the easiest way to find out for sure should be to contact madonna.com and ask. Bisco 17:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Reverting
Hey Blondie... Patrick..... don't worry, it had me stumped at first too. Click on "history". Select the version you want by clicking on the date/time link. It will open the page at the version for that time and date. Click "edit this page" and it comes up with the normal edit window with a warning that you are about to save an old version. Save it and it will become the "current" version again. Soon you'll be reverting with the best of them and thwarting vandals at every turn. Happy editing. Cheers Rossrs 08:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Jean Harlow
Hey Patrick. I don't think there is a hard-and-fast rule about how the biographies are set out. I think it's great that you are fixing the Harlow article by the way - nothing but applause from me on that score. The way Marilyn Monroe is set out, isn't bad. It depends on how much you want to say about the marriages. For example I did the Vivien Leigh article so that her two marriages, plus one "living together" relationship were fitted into the overall discussion of her life and the whole thing is basically chronological. That was because in that case, I thought the marriages were a thread that ran through her career, rather than a seperate thing. Harlow is different - her marriages and her career were fairly seperate. With Harlow, there is also quite a bit of detail that can be given about Paul Bern (is that what you're thinking too?), in which case uses the Monroe format would work very well. It would also allow for the William Powell relationship to be discussed. Don't know how you feel about that, but they were engaged weren't they? Rossrs 05:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that sounds like a good plan. I'll help where I can - actually I'd like to see a lot of the articles for the classic stars improved.  I hope one day to make a FA out of the Myrna Loy article, which I think is in need of attention at the moment.  I'm sure you've heard of her - she was in a couple of films with Jean :-)  I hope to get to that one day (but today is not the day, sadly.  Neither is tomorrow...... ) Rossrs 09:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

and Madonna
Glad to see Madonna is getting a lot of attention too (and some contraversy - how appropriate). Just a comment about the lead para. I don't have a problem with your edits, honestly, but I thought I would point out that the lead para should be a summary of the article that follows. You said in your edit summary that you thought this was more to the point, however I feel it is now too brief. It's not a problem - I expect the thing to change about 150 times before we're all happy with it, and as it is supposed to summarise the article, perhaps we have to get the article right before we can work seriously on the lead para. I don't know. I think the Kylie Minogue and Mariah Carey articles have good lead paragraphs because they give a bit of the history of the artist. ie rather than just saying where those ladies are, it explains briefly how they got there. I think moulding the Madonna section along similar lines would be a good idea. Rossrs 05:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no concept of Madonna! All this time I was thinking that I knew about Madonna....that I had the concept....the concept....the concept..... and I was wrong...... I was so stupid......it's the albums....just the albums......that's all Madonna is.... a great big jukebox.... with breasts.....and a pointy bra.....pumping out albums.... Like a Virgin...... True Blue.........American Life.........Confessions on a Dance Floor..... Oh my god. Now I just like..... totally like get it......Think about it Patrick....Music..... Like a Prayer....The Immaculate Collection... Say the names out loud..... do you see what I mean?  Do you get the concept now Patrick?  ....does it make you want to........ revert?........   Good grief, what a load of crap.  This is so funny.  Thanks for letting me know.  I'd noticed it early in the day but didn't have time to respond.  Rossrs 13:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Madonna!
I am the number 1 Madonna fan Patrick. Im 13 and eat,sleep,talk and walk Madonna. I have most of her cds and wanted to come to her concert but she wasnt comming to Ohio. I looked up info about madonna and she is quiet the star. I wish i was alive in the 80's to live the whole Madonna Era. I even got my own nickname......MarkDonna! I love it anyone else.

Oh ya what are your favorite Madonna songs? Mine are -Deeper and Deeeper -Vouge -Erotic? -True Blue -Borderline -Hung Up,    their are so many more songs to add to the list. Madonna will go down in histroy as the best female singer ever!

P.S I enjoyed your myspace:)

Thanks
......... for letting me know about the DVD releases. I'd especially like to get Wife vs Secretary so I will keep my eyes open for them. DVD's usually get released in Australia around the same time as the U.S. but if not, there's always Amazon ;-) Thanks ! Rossrs 21:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey!
^_^ You know what? You're probably the only person that has been nice enough to actually leave a message like that :) You totally deserver a barnstar for that!!! :):D -- Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński    '  ' ' '' 23:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC) [edit]i think i recognize your username from somewhere...but i don't know where, if you can refresh my memory, it would be greatly appreciated :D

Harlow
Hey there, harlow fan? Good to know you reverted all that crap about allegedly she was involved romantically with this and that guy... what other old time movie stars r u expert on'?>

Talk:Wind It Up (Gwen Stefani song)
Hi! Please answer the questions I left on that talk page. Velten 00:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I responded on the talk page. Velten 22:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

So do you know when the Canadian CD single release date is? Velten 18:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Wind It Up
Yeah, I figured it was probably an accident. As for the vandals, I put in a request for semi-protection.

Today is Tonight
Thanks. I try to fill in the blanks when I find I have novels that don't have articles, and Harlow's book is a rather cool addition to my library. I found it at a rummage sale of all places. 23skidoo 21:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * At least the book - ghostwritten or not - at least was put together with Harlow's approval, unlike Hedy Lamarr's "autobiography" Ecstasy and Me which she denied having anything to do with. I have a paperback copy of that one, too. I also managed to stumble across a copy of Errol Flynn's novel Showdown a few years ago; that's my copy that's illustrated. 23skidoo 02:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, do you have a source for the information that the book was ghostwritten? This should be noted in the article. 23skidoo 02:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Madonna pic
Hi Patrick, sorry for the slow reply - I've been distracted by real life the last couple of days. I agree the Madonna pic is not the best, but as a free image it will have to do until a better free one comes along. I see that someone has replaced it and I think that was inevitable. Jean Harlow is a different situation. No free images have been found for her yet, so the fair use ones are allowable under Wikipedia's policies. Rossrs 08:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Blackout (Britney Spears album)
Why did you delete the History section? And please leave an edit summary after editing, at all times. It makes life easier for everyone — *H  ippi ippi   23:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because the page "looks bad" is not a basis to remove information. You can clean things up, but just removing the whole lot doesn't improve the article. —  *H  ippi ippi   23:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See this? You simply deleted the information again! Like I said, Wikipedia is NOT about making pages look pretty. You simply deleted facts that were referenced.  I agree, it needs cleaning up, but deleting is not the way to go. —  *H  ippi ippi   23:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry if I sounded rude and blunt or whatever, but you know, communication through the internet = no tone, emotion, can be taken the wrong way etc. The article seems alright now. But it needs some more references.  But I still think the contributers should be mentioned in some way. —  *H  ippi ippi   23:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and This is a better example of an album article - it's a features article. And this is an official guide — *H  ippi ippi   23:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose, but it needs references. —  *H  ippi ippi   23:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Patrick, this is a small thing for having its own article. Consider on the future placing these sort of stuff on Madonna_(entertainer), and using a reliable source for the tour, like an official website from the tour organizer --Enric Naval (talk) 23:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's because this tour hasn't still even started, so there are no notable sources covering it, and I think that you didn't even add any source that verifies the tour. You should make a draft on your userpace, like User talk:PatrickJ83/Sticky & Sweet Tour /just click on the link and start typing) and work on it, and ask other editors on the Madonna page to help you improve it. You can start the article and then ask people on Talk:Madonna_(entertainer) to help you write the draft. You need at least one reliable website that has information on the tour so you can start writing the article up. --Enric Naval (talk) 03:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Madonna
Take my advise, don't chop the lead of a GA article in half, without discussion, ever again. Take whatever issues you have with leads to the article talk page. I warn you now, don't make arguments about "length", it won't get you far. — Realist  2  20:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * just a general note:
 * WP:LEAD states: "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies that may exist. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources. While consideration should be given to creating interest in reading more of the article, the lead nonetheless should not "tease" the reader by hinting at—but not explaining—important facts that will appear later in the article. The lead should contain no more than four paragraphs, should be carefully sourced as appropriate, and should be written in a clear, accessible style to invite a reading of the full article." The LEAD can be four paragraphs, but it does not have to be. However LEAD states: "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs." Considering the length of the Madonna article, the LEAD actually should be four paragraphs. As for the LEAD's content, while I agree its far from perfect, there is a difference between fancruft and giving equal representation to BLP. The LEAD and article are far from FA, but it's not exactly a fan page either. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  02:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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