User talk:Patrick Nemchik

January 2023
Hello, I'm Archer1234. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Catholic Church, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Archer1234 (t·c) 18:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Archer,
 * I want you to be aware of some pretty wild stuff from apparently one of the people in charge of deciding what goes on Wikipedia. He goes by the name: Pbritti.  Below is our email exchange regarding the Wikipedia article on the Catholic Church and my attempt to edit (correct) something in it.
 * Regards,
 * Patrick
 * Email exchange between me and Pbritti:
 * Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Catholic Church. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Your editing behavior across multiple articles demonstrates a need to review several Wikipedia policies and guidelines, including WP:SOAPBOX and single-purpose editing. Please reply if you need any more information. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[ reply]
 * What's your point? Where am I wrong? Are you contesting the viewpoint of the President of Bulgaria and that of many historians (including the Bulgarian/Israeli historian, Nir Baruch) that Bulgaria DID save its Jews!
 * I am not adding commentary nor espousing my own point of view. I'm trying to provide an proper representation of the truth. The version of the article on the Catholic Church, before my apparently failed attempt to edit it, is at best misleading, if not even wrong. It clearly leads the reader to believe that Bulgaria did hand over at least some of its Jews to the Nazis for extermination, something which is false!
 * Very frustrating! I didn't realize how some Wikipedia contributors were so sensitive about their own opinions, even if it means covering up historical truth.
 * I'm only interested in uncovering the truth as far as possible. If I am wrong on something, please point it out to me with documentation, as I have done with Archer. Do not resort to false accusations which are impossible to back up with historically acceptable documentation. Patrick Nemchik (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[ reply]
 * There are two primary issues with your edits, which I'll detail for your understanding:
 * 1. On Wikipedia, among the chief goals of an editor is to provide reliable information through accurate summarization. The article on the Catholic Church–arguably the largest organization in the world with a massive amount of theology, history, and cultural importance–must sometimes only provide very basic information on a topic that can be covered more extensively elsewhere (this is covered in WP:SUMMARY and WP:UNDUE). Here you are adding information on a specific aspect of a subject–that Bulgaria did not deport native Bulgarian Jews during the Holocaust, but rather only from occupied territories. This information is unrelated to the Catholic Church's opposition to the deportations. If multiple reliable sources on the Catholic Church during the Holocaust made this point, it might be relevant, but the sources provided don't provide that.
 * 2. Wikipedia is a neutral, tertiary source. When material is not included in a reliable (usually secondary) source but extrapolated from it, that is original research and is not allowed (see WP:NOR for a better explanation). By connecting topics not otherwise related, you are performing original research. The purpose with which you have added that information also appears to be related to a goal of changing perspectives on Bulgaria during the Holocaust. While the proper usage of reliable sources in the relevant articles may accomplish this, you have inserted the information in the wrong places using non-neutral verbiage (see WP:WIKIVOICE for more details). You also seem very focused on this particular objective, which could be interpreted as prohibited "righting great wrong" behavior.
 * If you require more explanation as to any part of this, please let me know! More information is easily accessible via WP:FIVEPILLARS and other editors can provide insight and expertise at WP:TEAHOUSE. Despite the current dispute, I welcome you as an active contributor to Wikipedia and encourage you to remain involved in the project! ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[ reply]
 * Hello Pbritti,
 * Maybe you'll find this interesting: https://www.bu.edu/articles/2012/how-bulgaria-saved-its-jews/
 * Regarding your offer about me editing regularly for Wikipedia, I don't want to make any firm commitment at this time, since I'm still working as a mathematics professor at a university, and am usually very busy.
 * I have been for years editing math and physics Wikipedia sites and never before encountered such a barrage of protests to my edits. In fact, I have never encountered any objections before this to my edits.
 * Regards,
 * Patrick
 * P.S. Regardless of your attempt to defend the content of Wikipedia article on the Catholic church, the fact still remains that it asserts Bulgaria did send its Jews to Nazi extermination camps. Apparently even you agree that such an assertion is wrong. IF WIKIPEDIA IS TO HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY, SUCH EGREGIOUS ERRORS CANNOT GO UNCORRECTED! So what do you propose to do about it, assuming you have any power over the issue? Patrick Nemchik (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[ reply]
 * You point is really irrelevant to the article: there were deportations from Bulgaria (doesn't even say who did them!) and the Church protested said deportations. I am afraid you are the only one misreading this sentence. Also, all-caps sentences tend to lead people to ignore a statement; try using italics selectively for emphasis. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Patrick Nemchik (talk) 19:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Catholic Church. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. ''Your editing behavior across multiple articles demonstrates a need to review several Wikipedia policies and guidelines, including WP:SOAPBOX and single-purpose editing. Please reply if you need any more information. ~'' Pbritti (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * What's your point? Where am I wrong? Are you contesting the viewpoint of the President of Bulgaria and that of many historians (including the Bulgarian/Israeli historian, Nir Baruch) that Bulgaria DID save its Jews!
 * I am not adding commentary nor espousing my own point of view. I'm trying to provide an proper representation of the truth.  The version of the article on the Catholic Church, before my apparently failed attempt to edit it, is at best misleading, if not even wrong.  It clearly leads the reader to believe that Bulgaria did hand over at least some of its Jews to the Nazis for extermination, something which is false!
 * Very frustrating! I didn't realize how some Wikipedia contributors were so sensitive about their own opinions, even if it means covering up historical truth.
 * I'm only interested in uncovering the truth as far as possible. If I am wrong on something, please point it out to me with documentation, as I have done with Archer.  Do not resort to false accusations which are impossible to back up with historically acceptable documentation. Patrick Nemchik (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are two primary issues with your edits, which I'll detail for your understanding:
 * 1. On Wikipedia, among the chief goals of an editor is to provide reliable information through accurate summarization. The article on the Catholic Church–arguably the largest organization in the world with a massive amount of theology, history, and cultural importance–must sometimes only provide very basic information on a topic that can be covered more extensively elsewhere (this is covered in WP:SUMMARY and WP:UNDUE). Here you are adding information on a specific aspect of a subject–that Bulgaria did not deport native Bulgarian Jews during the Holocaust, but rather only from occupied territories. This information is unrelated to the Catholic Church's opposition to the deportations. If multiple reliable sources on the Catholic Church during the Holocaust made this point, it might be relevant, but the sources provided don't provide that.
 * 2. Wikipedia is a neutral, tertiary source. When material is not included in a reliable (usually secondary) source but extrapolated from it, that is original research and is not allowed (see WP:NOR for a better explanation). By connecting topics not otherwise related, you are performing original research. The purpose with which you have added that information also appears to be related to a goal of changing perspectives on Bulgaria during the Holocaust. While the proper usage of reliable sources in the relevant articles may accomplish this, you have inserted the information in the wrong places using non-neutral verbiage (see WP:WIKIVOICE for more details). You also seem very focused on this particular objective, which could be interpreted as prohibited "righting great wrong" behavior.
 * If you require more explanation as to any part of this, please let me know! More information is easily accessible via WP:FIVEPILLARS and other editors can provide insight and expertise at WP:TEAHOUSE. Despite the current dispute, I welcome you as an active contributor to Wikipedia and encourage you to remain involved in the project! ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Pbritti,
 * Maybe you'll find this interesting: https://www.bu.edu/articles/2012/how-bulgaria-saved-its-jews/
 * Regarding your offer about me editing regularly for Wikipedia, I don't want to make any firm commitment at this time, since I'm still working as a mathematics professor at a university, and am usually very busy.
 * I have been for years editing math and physics Wikipedia sites and never before encountered such a barrage of protests to my edits. In fact, I have never encountered any objections before this to my edits.
 * Regards,
 * Patrick
 * P.S. Regardless of your attempt to defend the content of Wikipedia article on the Catholic church, the fact still remains that it asserts Bulgaria did send its Jews to Nazi extermination camps.  Apparently even you agree that such an assertion is wrong. IF WIKIPEDIA IS TO HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY, SUCH EGREGIOUS ERRORS CANNOT GO UNCORRECTED! So what do you propose to do about it, assuming you have any power over the issue? Patrick Nemchik (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You point is really irrelevant to the article: there were deportations from Bulgaria (doesn't even say who did them!) and the Church protested said deportations. I am afraid you are the only one misreading this sentence. Also, all-caps sentences tend to lead people to ignore a statement; try using italics selectively for emphasis. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Because you seem confused: this isn't an email exchange. These messages are publicly visible on your talk page. To notify someone you wish to speak to, there are templates you may use, such as Template:Reply and Template:Ping. You have made an uncivil comment about me, so consider this a warning on that front. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)