User talk:Patrickneil/Georgetown

Kevin Wm. Wildes
I nominated the article you created, Kevin Wm. Wildes for deletion. PIease share your opinions here Eclectek   C   T  16:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Please don't take personal offense. Everybody having their own opinions and going through civil discourse is what makes wikipedia great. I think that the article topic doesn't meet the standards of wikipedia. I have no problem with the article staying on wikipedia if the majority of users agree. I'm just working to make wikipedia great. Eclectek  C   T  20:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Georgetown fight song
I see you had the "fight song moved to separate page". Could you please add a link to that page to the main Georgetown Hoyas page? Thanks, --M @ r ē ino 21:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Georgetown University
We got GA! :) --YbborTalk 02:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Georgetown help
Hey Patrick,

As the person most responsible for getting Duke to FA status, I'll try to give you some advice on the Georgetown article. First, to answer your questions: ''How, at a smaller school, can I get more people involved? Who/where is good to ask for assistance?''


 * Honestly, I pretty much wrote/edited the entire Duke article on my own and didn’t get help from anybody else, so I can't really help you on this one (although a few users definitely kept the article on their watch list and provided some small fixes). I spent way too many hours on it for my own good....Oh well. But I can give you advice on how to learn to write an FA quality article.  Just look at examples and comments made from prior University FA candidates.  You could also try asking the League of Copyeditors to take a look, which didn't exist at the time when I was going through writing the Duke article.  They helped get Ohio Wesleyan University to FA status.  You are already on the right track asking other editors for university FAs.  Also, be careful to avoid academic boosterism and include (at least some) criticism on the university.  I tried to achieve this by putting some negatives in the Greek and social life section.  People during FA candidacy always complain that the article is biased if only the great things are talked about.  And don’t be subjective when complimenting Georgetown’s strengths (e.g. don’t say "Georgetown’s library is known as one of the best in the nation," instead say "Georgetown’s library collection is the 15th largest in the nation" and then provide a source).  On an quick glance, the article seems okay in that regard, actually. FA is honestly kinda a crapshoot - it just depends who happens to logon and look at your article. There's always somebody out there who wants to oppose; it's just a matter of if he or she logs in and take a look (but obviously you can do many things to reduce this likelihood).

What should I avoid doing when posting it as a featured article candidate?
 * Avoid being too defensive on the criticism. And make sure it meets all the standard procedural/format standards.  That will be the majority of the complaints since that's objective.

Now, to give you a short (and incomplete) improvement list, which I will also copy to the Peer Review submission:
 * 1.) Image: Seal original 200.gif, image:Hoya.jpg, Image:Georgetown_University_nameplate_white_200.gif, and Image:Georgetown University nameplate white 200.gif need fair use rationales.
 * 2.) Image:Johncarroll.jpg’s copyright isn’t clear because the link provided is a dead link.
 * 3.) WAY too many external links. 8-10 total is the target.  I’d get rid of student organization links as well as particular school links.  Maybe a link to the student newspaper would be appropriate, though.
 * 4.) Don’t start a sentence with a number and be careful to follow all other standard (formal) writing practices (e.g. 84% in the Admissions section should be "Eighty-one percent").
 * 5.) I personally think the Student Life section contains too many short sub-sections. I’d seek to combine them, but I don’t think this would be a reason to oppose FA since it’s more personal preference so it’s not imperative.
 * 6.) In the Greek life section, it is stated that Georgetown does not allow fraternities and thus none exist except for service fraternities. This is not true according to my understanding and talking to people that go to Georgetown.  While not officially recognized, it should be mentioned that there is an "underground" Greek system.  Obviously, this needs to be sourced, but that shouldn’t be hard to find from the campus’ student newspaper.  This paragraph just seems misleading to me from what I know (unless my friends have been lying to me!). You don't need to mention the fraternities by name, just mention their existence.  I supposed it is possible that they compose such a small segment of the population that they don't merit mentioning.
 * 7.) Definitely get somebody with fresh eyes to do a thorough copyedit of the prose. Haven’t really looked at in detail, but I’m sure there are some errors.
 * 8.) I honestly think the article is a bit short for an article of this magnitude (although it still has the same or more sections). That's an easy problem to fix since I'm sure you have plenty to say about Georgetown.  Looking at other university FAs, I think it's considerably shorter although I could be wrong.  Looking at the sizes isn't representative because the majority of the size comes from citing sources. Specifically, I'd expand the Athletics and Alumni sections....Again, might just be personal preference.

Overall, I’d say the article is in really good shape. It is sourced copiously and correctly, and all the necessary components are there. Good luck! -Bluedog423Talk 01:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Greetings Patrick,
 * I'm trying not to get in your way re: the Georgetown article. I just started editing it because i personally dislike the copious amounts of "suggestions" people make that could be much more quickly and pragmatically implemented than expressed as discussion items. I personally would much rather have conscientious editing help than "suggestions," but, as i don't have the time to personally research this, I feel comfortable in saying that both the Georgetown history section and history article could be much more complete. Other than that, the main article seems fine to me, but if i were to review it for FA, that would be a deal-breaker. Anyway, best of luck and Godspeed in getting this through FAC. Regards, Amerique dialectics 21:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll try to help out as i can addressing various minor criticisms on the FAC page. That might be the best way of approaching it for the time being. Amerique dialectics 22:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't do much more work on the history section, as it is in more serious need of content rather than a copyedit, so I will let it go for now. Best, Amerique dialectics 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Seal original 200.svg
First, congrats on getting Georgetown University up to GA status. That's a tough process to go through, and you did a great job "shepherding" the article through it.

I noticed that you tagged the SVG version that I uploaded of the Georgetown seal. I had originally intended to upload that in place of the GIF image that's in the article now. Unfortunately, I never could figure out what the heck was wrong with it. If you click on the image placeholder on the image page, you can very clearly see the logo. However, on the image page it doesn't show, nor does it show up in the article. Very weird. If you've got any experience with that sort of thing, it'd be great if you could fix it. SVG images are generally preferable to GIF's or PNG's.

By the way, I changed the banner shell on the talk page. It's totally just a matter of aesthetics for me (I like being able to see the full list of projects and the assessment without having to click show), but if you don't like it feel free to change it back. Esrever 05:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just noticed the banners, looks much better.--Patrick 05:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Publishers
Patrick do you want help on the Work/Publisher thingie? It would be easier/faster to keep it off the FAC and just do it. Let me know if I can help; I'll follow your talk page, so you can answer here. I suspect you're making it harder than it has to be; the publisher in many of those cases can just be Georgetown University. We just generally need to know who's webpage it is (as in, New York Times, BBC, Georgetown University, US News and World Report and so on.) Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I never turn help down. I think they all now have at least a work/publisher field filled in, the concern would be if it is proper. Should I change things that say "Office of Communications" to "Georgetown University" or add "Georgetown University" as a publisher to references that already have a work tag? I'll have to finish anything that comes up tomorrow, but I hope the FAC can still stay up.--Patrick 20:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From looking over the refs, it seems like you've made it harder than it need be. There are a lot of them that really only need to say Georgetown University, and don't need to be linked anywhere.  That might improve readability, as there are a lot of blue links. Also, a lot of the article titles aren't spot on; the goal is to help a reader find the content if that link ever changes or goes dead, so a fully descriptive page title is good.  I'd change a few to show you how I'd do it, but I'd wipe out a lot of the links you currently have listed under Work/Publisher; I'd make it much simpler.  Let me know, I'll help if you want, but I don't want to get in your way or make changes you don't approve of.  Picking an example of your current ref 28, I would list publisher as Georgetown University (with no link) and title as Office of Mission and Ministry:  The Spirit of Georgetown.  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I made some more changes this afternoon. I went ahead and added "publisher= Georgetown University" to references that used the georgetown.edu site but didn't mention Georgetown in the work field. I changed some publishers and titles, but I don't see an advantage to removing links. These are helpful, especially when a url link goes dead. I know the blue makes the whole list harder to read, but few users will read the the references section like an regular section, and its usually used by the in-text link.--Patrick 22:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You've got a typo Univeristy throughout; I fixed some, but there are more. (It's looking good!) Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Woops. Will fix.--Patrick 22:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Georgetown FAC restart
Hey, I've been keeping an eye on the Georgetown U FAC, as I'm sure you expect. I don't quite understand why everything was restarted. can you explain? Thanks in advance? --YbborTalk 04:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pardon my barging in, I still have Patrick's page watchlisted from the work yesterday on GU. Raul restarts FAC pages when the page has become too long, complicated, unclear or messy to sort out where the article stands in terms of Support, Oppose, and unresolved issues.  Some of that lengthy discussion could better occur on talk pages.  If you had a previous support, you just re-enter it; if you had unresolved Opposes or fixes needed, you also re-enter them.  It gives messy FACs a fresh start.  For instance, I didn't re-enter my Oppose because Patrick was actively working to resolve them.  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 12:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think its great. I figured Raul, beloved FA director, would take one look at the page and reject it, being clear that more work needed to be done, despite my profuse use of checkmarks.--Patrick 13:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Raul wouldn't do that...he might delete hours upon hours of our work...but he wouldn't reject an article due to length alone (or at least he shouldn't). — BQZip01 —  talk 15:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for assistance
As someone with whom I have reviewed or worked with on an article or talk page, I humbly request your assistance in reviewing the Aggie Bonfire page for Featured Article status. Any/all constructive input is welcomed and appreciated on the FAC nomination page, but please read the instructions for reviewing before you make a comment. Thanks in advance for your assistance. — BQZip01 — talk 05:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Concerns addressed. Please update with strikeouts or comments and thanks for the help! — BQZip01 —  talk 00:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do, but will not strike out (note will be put at the top for those completed items). Review to come soon (My wife just gave birth to our second son and things have been kinda busy here!). I'll get to it soon! — BQZip01 —  talk 21:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the new FA
Congratulations!!! I never wanted the article to fail in the first place, but I do want it to represent the best Wikipedia has to offer, as I believe you do. — BQZip01 — talk 15:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to add my congratulations, too. Great job getting the Georgetown article to FA status!  And if you're ever looking for a project, we'd love the help on the Vanderbilt University article. Cheers! Esrever 20:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Great job Patrick! You've Earned it! :) --YbborTalk 23:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Problems
I still have issues with the article and I hope they can be addressed. I will post them here (currently all of my original comments are hidden, please do not erase and I will come back and give you the remaining items. — BQZip01 —  talk 15:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

<!--:*"strong programs" is awkward and a little POV. Perhaps something else like "critically acclaimed"? Feel free to adjust the phrasing in a different way too.
 * ✅ "national recognized"--Patrick 22:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "distinguished" is really vague. Maybe "notable" or something similar?
 * ✅ Changed to "reputable"--Patrick 21:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "At the center of the main campus is Healy Hall, designated a National Historic Landmark." is really awkward. Try something else like "Healy Hall lies at the center of the main campus and is designated a National Historic Landmark."
 * ✅ Changed to "The main campus is known for Healy Hall, designated a National Historic Landmark."--Patrick 21:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * " have served"
 * ✅--Patrick 22:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Academically, Georgetown". Consider rephrasing. This seems more of an administrative separation than an academic separation. It could easily be more generalized by replacing with "The university..." or "Academic programs at the university..."
 * I have no problem with the lede using citations, since it is an option, but I feel it detracts from the readability (you cram so many references into the beginning that it becomes harder to read than most of the rest of the text). Since Wikipedia recognizes that the entire lead should be expanded upon in the main text, references are not needed in the lede. With the volume of references you have in the lede, I recommend removing them to enhance readability and make a GREAT first impression.
 * ✅ I left the first reference, because there was some dispute over the founding date.--Patrick 15:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and remove this one as well since the dispute is already discussed in greater detail later in the article. Remove this particular phrase altogether or address it in the History section. That it is in another article does not alleviate the fact that it should be elaborated upon in this article. — BQZip01 —  talk 18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * History
 * "The first permanent Jesuit settlement in Maryland was established in 1634, but it was not until after the American Revolution that a lasting Catholic institution could be achieved." Another example of passive voice. Who established the settlement? Why does the history date back to 1634? Was there talk of adding the school then?
 * ✅Passive voice fixed. further details clarified in History article. Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "To further this goal, in January 1789 John Carroll obtained the property on which Georgetown University and Georgetown Visitation are were built in January 1789 ."
 * ✅ Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Instruction there at the institution began on 22 November 1791 with a future Congressman, William Gaston , as the its first student."
 * ✅ Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Because of the lack of state or religious support,..." uh, if it is a Jesuit school, how does it not have religious support?
 * It mentions and links to the supression of the Jesuits in the next sentence. Simply, no money for it came from Rome.--Patrick 18:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown College suffered from financial strain in its early years." How so?
 * ✅ I believe this does not need to be made clearer in keeping with summary style. Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ❌ I believe that a little more detail (such as "lack of incoming funds" "lack of student enrollment" "embezzlement" etc would add much more clarity to this short and vague sentence. — BQZip01 —  talk 18:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * How does this sound: Due to a lack of support from both church and state in its early years, Georgetown College suffered from considerable financial strain. Ameriquedialectics 19:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Close. Due to a lack of monetary and political support from both church and state (specify which church and which state. The federal government? Virginia? The Vatican? The Roman-Catholic Church? The local bishops? Other local churches?) in its early years, Georgetown College suffered from considerable financial strain. — BQZip01 —  talk 21:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, taking your comments into account, this is what I came up with: Due to a lack of support from the Catholic church in its early years, Georgetown College suffered from considerable financial strain. Basically specifying the Catholic church and, as DC was never a state, removing the "state" reference. Getting a federal charter was something of a bonus, but why they were not supported by the church should be obvious from the rest of the paragraph, given the supression against Jesuits at the time. Best Regards, Ameriquedialectics 21:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ I found in the bulletin where it talked about how Georgetown was funded, so I've change the sentence to: "In its early years, Georgetown College suffered from considerable financial strain, relying on private sources of funding and the limited profits from local Jesuit-owned lands."--Patrick 00:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "The school was bolstered in 1805 when the Maryland Society of Jesus was restored, and in 1815 when Georgetown received a university charter." What is the Maryland Society of Jesus? How is it important to this school? Explicitly state that they were not Georgetown University originally and became so later. Something like "The school was originally named..."
 * ✅ Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't believe there was a name change per se, the legal entity of the BoD simply became incorporated as Georgetown's controlling agency, over whatever governance system existed previously. Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The school was the first to receive a charter from the United States Congress, where it was incorporated as The President and Directors of Georgetown College." When? Is this the title of the school or the board of directors. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be italicized.
 * ✅ incorporation was mandated in the charter. Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The college's first two graduates were awarded the degree of bachelor of arts two years later." Again, what year is this in reference to?
 * ✅ Ameriquedialectics 23:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The school was greatly affected during the U.S. Civil War, when many students left to enlist." How exactly was it affected. A lack of enrollment? Grades slipped? It lost its accreditation? What?
 * Huh? Is many students leaving not enough to affect a school? Certainly a military takeover of the campus, as noted in the next sentence, caused a great affect, no?--Patrick 20:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Amerique<font color="DarkRed">dialectics 00:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The Union Army commandeered several university buildings, and by the time of President Abraham Lincoln's May 1861 visit to campus, 1,400 troops were stationed in temporary quarters there."
 * ✅ I don't see an issue here. Amerique<font color="DarkRed">dialectics 00:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Only seven students graduated in 1869, down from over 300 a decade prior." Awkward, short sentence. Possibly put with the first sentence of the paragraph.
 * ✅ Set up a referent. Amerique<font color="DarkRed">dialectics 00:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Subsequently these colors were adopted as the official school colors." Again passive voice. Who adopted the colors? Be more affirmative. "Subsequently, the school adopted these as its school colors..." or something like that.
 * ✅ Amerique<font color="DarkRed">dialectics 00:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "''The school did not recover from the war until the presidency of the Patrick Francis Healy (1874–1881)." What exactly didn't recover? Enrollment? Academic standards? etc?
 * ✅ Amerique<font color="DarkRed">dialectics 00:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In response to the need for alternatives open to Catholic students, a Medical School was founded in 1851, and a Law Department in 1870." Kind jumping around on dates here. Were other alternatives not open to Catholic students? Was there some kind of anti-Catholic sentiment in the country (it seems to imply that)?
 * I agree that this could use some more context. Amerique<font color="DarkRed">dialectics 00:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The undergraduate School of Nursing was founded in 1903. In 1999, it added three other health related majors and appended "Health Studies" to its name to become the School of Nursing and Health Studies." Combine these sentences. The redundant use of Health Studies is awkward; rephrase. Again, it feels like it jumps around a lot.
 * ✅--Patrick 21:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The School of Foreign Service (SFS) was founded in 1919 by Edmund A. Walsh, in response to the need for institutions to train American youth for leadership in foreign commerce and diplomacy." Whose need? Was this a Catholic mandate? A US shortage? etc?
 * ✅ Change "in response..." to: "to prepare students for leadership in foreign commerce and diplomacy"--Patrick 00:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "''The School of Business Administration was created out of the SFS in 1955 . It was and, in 1999, was renamed for Robert E. McDonough in 1999 to become the McDonough School of Business in honor of alumnus Robert E. McDonough.
 * ✅--Patrick 18:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Female students have been admitted to the School of Nursing since its founding, and most of the university was made available on a limited basis by 1952." Another example of awkward passive voice. "Since its founding the school admitted female students into the School of Nursing..."
 * ✅--Patrick 18:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "With the College of Arts and Sciences welcoming its first female students in the 1969-1970 academic year, Georgetown became fully coeducational."
 * Right, should something be changed here?--Patrick 02:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL. Yes. The date should be connected with an endash, not a hyphen. Guess I missed that. Oh well, I guess we're all human. — BQZip01 —  talk 19:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅--Patrick 22:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown ended its bicentennial year of 1989 electing Leo J. O'Donovan as president." Why is the "bicentennial year" of any importance? This sentence could easily be incorporated into the next.
 * ✅ The bicentennial was an important event, and many projects on campus were completed, or in the case of the Third Century Campaign, begun with it in mind, so I note it.--Patrick 22:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In December 2003, Georgetown completed its Third Century Campaign, joining only a handful of universities worldwide to raise at least $1 billion for financial aid, academic chair endowment, and new capital projects." Is this a University campaign to raise money? Do all universities have this campaign? Only those over 200 years old? Please state explicitly what the Campaign is.
 * ✅--Patrick 22:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Since 2001, Georgetown has been led by its first non-Jesuit president, John J. DeGioia, who has sought to internationalize the Georgetown name." Again WAY too much passive voice. Be more direct: "John...currently leads the school and seeks to internationalize..." how does he plan to "internationalize the Georgetown name"? This sounds POV or a little like an advertisement...or maybe even a direct quote.
 * ✅ His biography is fairly mundane, and it may be early to judge his effect on the school. It now uses a direct quote: sought to "expand opportunities for intercultural and interreligious dialogue."--Patrick 22:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Academics
 * I'm not sure you need "full-time and part time". I mean, they are students, right? Unless they somehow count less in the total number of students or there is some other distinguishing reason, I see no need to include that information (especially since you don't seem to say how many there are of each).
 * ✅--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Are the numbers at the Law School and Medical Center included in the number of graduate students? As a layman, it seems to me that they should be (maybe even they are are already) included in those numbers, but I could be wrong.
 * Wikilink the first instance of Bachelor's.
 * ✅--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the appropriate terminology for these programs are "undergraduate and graduate programs" and "Bachelor's and Master's degrees" I would be hesitant to mix programs with the degrees. This is really more of a quibble with terminology and I'd just like to make sure the terms are used correctly. Please address here if I am wrong (this is a comment and should NOT hold up the nomination in any way!!!)
 * In the profile section, combine the first and second paragraphs and move the mentioning of the Qatar campus to the end of the new paragraph where you talk about international studies. In addition, make all the numbers in the paragraph in numeral form, not spelled out (while it certainly is acceptable to spell them out, mixing the different usages in the paragraph seems sloppy, IMHO).
 * "Georgetown University puts a priority on study abroad programs, and 58.7% of the undergraduate student body does study abroad." Eliminate redundant phrasing. How exactly do they "put a priority" on it? Maybe something like "The university emphasizes a well-rounded education (get a reference) and offers many opportunities to study at different schools worldwide. As of 2007, these study abroad programs are used by 58.7% of the students at Georgetown University..." or something like that.
 * ✅--Patrick 01:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "All majors in the College are open as minors to students in the College, in the School of Nursing and Health Studies, and in the School of Business." Again, redundant use of a word. Can the students in the school of foreign service also get minors? If not, please briefly explain why. If so, then just state all "undergraduate programs"
 * ✅ SFS do their own "certificates," and not departmental "minors."--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Again in the faculty section, I see no need to differentiate between full-time and part-time.
 * I think that's an important distinction. If you're at a college where almost all professors are part-time, then it would be very different from one that had only full time professors.--Patrick 18:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The current faculty includes minds..." I assume the rest of their body is there as well, or is this a metaphysical thing. In all seriousness, it seems a little flowery for an encyclopedia. Perhaps, "Current distinguished faculty include..."
 * I tried to break the faculty into sentences by their other professions, with the 3 thinkers together. I've changed "minds" to "scholars"--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Many former politicians choose to teach at Georgetown, including U.S. Agency for International Development administrator Andrew Natsios, former National Security Advisor Anthony Lake, former U.S. Senator and Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, and former CIA director George Tenet. Internationally, the school attracts numerous former ambassadors and heads of state, such as former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former Ambassador-at-Large Robert Gallucci, former President of the Government of Spain José María Aznar, and former President of Poland Aleksander Kwaśniewski." Eliminate significant redundant use of "former." You already state that they are former XXXs. There is no need to highlight it in such a manner.
 * ✅--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Make sure you quote things exactly: ""student-centered research university". Check your reference, they have it hyphenated correctly.
 * ✅--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Again with the numbers of items in its holdings, please put a date to clarify when this number is accurate (I'm sure this one varies day-by-day).
 * ✅--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Separately, the Law School campus includes the nation's fifth largest law library." Uh, is this separate from the already stated holdings or by itself it is the 5th largest? Ambiguous phrasing here makes this unclear.
 * ✅ Changed to "Additionally"--Patrick 22:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "...the Georgetown Law Journal and Law Weekly..." awkward phrasing in a list. Please separate "Law Weekly" by commas.
 * ✅--Patrick 20:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "most preferred" should be "most-preferred".
 * ✅--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't mix numeral usage within the same paragraph. All of the percentages should be the same, IMHO.
 * I learned to spell out two word numbers, so I left percentages with decimals and larger number as numerals.--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, this is In My Humble Opinion. As long as it complies with WP:MoS, I have no problem with it and it is merely a suggestion to improve the article, not a requirement for FA status.
 * "A majority of those admitted (57%)..." Why use parenthesis now? Integrate the figure into the prose. Possibly something like, "Of those admitted, 57% were..." or eliminate the figure altogether (I don't think it is necessary to prove your point. The reference backs up the claim).
 * "The forty-one percent of applicants admitted..." Really awkward phrasing. redo please. Perhaps, "Of the XXXX applicants, 41% are accepted and their scores range..."
 * ✅ I've made them 2 sentences--Patrick 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Campuses (To be completed in the near future)
 * For starters, rename this section altogether. It is not just the campuses, but also additional facilities of the school.
 * "Campuses" is in line with WikiProject Universities and other university articles. I think its a broad term that encompasses the facilities.  On the other hand, would the heading "facilities" cover the quadrangles and architectural layout?--Patrick 22:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it would cover the quadrangles and architecture as well. I just think "Campuses" is a little vague when we are talking about individual structures and other facilities. It is up to you. I won't oppose on this alone. — BQZip01 —  talk 19:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown University has three campuses in Washington D.C.: the undergraduate campus and the medical school campus, together comprising the main campus, and the Law Center campus. Each is located in Washington, D.C "
 * ✅--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * " Outside North America, Georgetown operates a facility in Doha, Qatar a Qatar campus, located in the city of Doha , and villas in the Alanya, Turkey and Fiesole, Italy Turkish city of Alanya and the Italian city of Fiesole. " I am pretty sure the Education City campus is officially owned by the Emir of Qatar.
 * ✅ Ok.--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In their layout, Georgetown's administrators have consistently used the traditional quadrangle design on their campuses."
 * ✅--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikilink high school for those who don't know what it is (i.e. our Australian and British English-speaking bretheren)
 * ✅--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 100 acres is more akin to square kilometers than square meters.
 * ✅--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "...is the architectural gem of Georgetown's campus, and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places." "architectural gem" is a bit POV. Try to neutralize the terminology a bit.
 * "In late 2003, the school completed the Southwest Quadrangle Project was completed. This project and brought a new 907-bed student dorm, an expansive dining hall, an underground parking facility, and new Jesuit Residence to the campus." Please watch the passive voice (again).
 * ✅--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hyphenate "Seljuq era"
 * ✅--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The school is located in the town of Alanya, Turkey within the Seljuq era Alanya Castle., which is built on a peninsula into the Mediterranean Sea. " I'm sure it is a pretty site and all, but it doesn't really provide any useful information. If there were a picture to be used here, this would be PERFECT for the caption. Why not use the picture on the page of the castle? In the castle article, I would also include a sentence or two about Georgetown since it doesn't appear there at all.
 * ✅ Despite living there, I have few good shots that show the McGhee Center. Is "on the Mediterranean Sea" appropriate?--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In 2002 the Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community Development presented the School of Foreign Service with the resources and space to open a facility campus in the new Education City in within the city limits of Doha, Qatar." I hardly think a single building comprises a campus, though Education City is a campus by itself. On a lighter note, WOW, did you end up with the most difficult guy reviewing your article. There's probably only a handful of people on the English Wikipedia who have actually been there and I am the first to heavily review this article. Talk about bad luck... :-)
 * ✅ I should note that the official website] refers to it as a campus, but, yes, you are particular about this. Since I'm not, I've changed it.--Patrick 23:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In response, I think they simply use the generic term "campus". They are actually in the same single building with 4 other schools. It seems enough for me though. — BQZip01 —  talk 20:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Student life
 * "The Georgetown undergraduate student body is composed of almost entirely out of state students." Hyphenate "out of state"...on second thought, the term seems wrong since the school is in a Federal District, not a state. Please address accordingly.
 * Changed to say they live out of the district
 * "As of XXXX, In terms of the racial diversity of the undergraduate student body was, they are 64.9% white, 9.1% Asian, 6.7% black, and 5.8% Hispanic. ; Additionally, 53.9% of those students are were females."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "imam with around four-hundred Muslims on campus" Were they also the first to have 400 muslims on campus? If not, I suggest rephrasing to "...imam in order to serve the approximately 400 Muslim students, staff, and faculty on campus."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The percentage that are sexually active seems incredibly trivial unless it is far higher/lower than the national/regional averages. If this is so, please state it. Otherwise, just delete it. I would also contend that the survey showed not suggests.
 * I suppose I added this to offset my statement that Georgetown students are "religious and volunteer minded."--Patrick 22:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Almost all undergraduates attend full-time." Really short sentence that could be incorporated into another sentence and it doesn't seem to fit well in a paragraph about the places students live.
 * "A minority live off-campus in the surrounding neighborhoods—Georgetown to the east and Burleith to the north—and a few reside farther away." Kind of awkward. Why not simply say "The remainder live off-campus, mostly in the Georgetown and Burleith neghborhoods."?
 * ✅--Patrick 22:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown University has 172 registered student organizations that cover a variety of interests: student government, club sports, organizations focused on media and publications, performing arts, religion, and volunteer and service."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Students often find their interests at the Student Activities Commission Club Fair, where both official and unofficial organizations set up tables." Seems a little informal. Rephrase.
 * "The Georgetown University Student Association (GUSA) (acronym not used anywhere else) is the student government organization for undergraduates." Is there one for the graduate students?
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "There are also student representatives within the schools, to the Board of Directors, and, since 1996, to the Georgetown Advisory Neighborhood Commission."

New Student Orientation is the sponsored student organization responsible for planning and executing the annual orientation and pre-orientation of freshmen and transfer s students.''"
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown's Army ROTC unit, the Hoya Battalion, is the oldest military unit in the District of Columbia." I think the Marines might have a problem with that definition since they actually predate the United States. That said, I think the Hoya Battalion is certainly worth mentioning. How about something like "...the Hoya Battalion, has its roots in the American Revolution and continues to exude those military traditions and dedication to service."?
 * ✅ They are the oldest native to DC. Marines are from Tun Tavern.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown's student organizations include one of the nation's oldest debating club s, the Philodemic Society, and the oldest running dramatic society in the United States , the Mask & Bauble Society." remove redundant/incorrect terminology
 * The Philodemic (1830) isn't the oldest, the Jefferson Literary and Debating Society at UVA claims 1825. Georgetown comes in 2nd.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Other a capella groups on campus include the co-ed Phantoms, the all-female GraceNotes, the all-female international group Harmony, Superfood, and the service-focused Georgetown Saxatones.[98] The D.C. A cappella Festival has been held on Georgetown's campus since inception in 1990." wikilink a capella and use appropriate capitalization the same way for this term. Is the all-female group named "Harmony, Superfood"? If not, please explain what Superfood is.
 * I added that Superfood is co-ed.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "...and, since 1987, has is published twice semi-weekly."
 * "...known for its weekly cover stor y ies, is a news   magazine which split with from The Hoya to focus more attention on citywide and national issues in addition to news on campus ." I assume the Hoya already does the last part, so it isn't focusing "more" on something it covers less. Again, English does not always lend itself to accuracy...(note I am blaming the English language mostly here, not the authors/editors).
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The Georgetown Independent is a monthly "journal of news, commentary and the arts" published monthly ." Otherwise, you need to cite your quote at the end of the quote. This allows the citation to not be duplicated.
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "WGTB, Georgetown's radio station, is available primarily over the internet." Is it available anywhere else? Please explain "primarily". Didn't they get rid of their actual broadcasting capabilities?
 * ✅ There's a leaky cable system that makes it available in some older dorms.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "...because of WGTB's political orientation." Huh? Please elaborate. This seems a little vague. A Democrat ran it and a Republican didn't like it or something like that?
 * ✅ The radio station was practically anarchist, and did try to burn down the clocktower in 1972. This is noted on their own article. I'm trying to be NPOV.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Take Back the Night is an organization of women and men oriented (as opposed to an organization of chimpanzees?) against gender violence which coordinates a yearly rally and march to protest against rape and other forms of violence against women."
 * ✅ Men and women denotes that its a co-ed group.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown Solidarity Committee is a workers' rights organization whose successes include ending use of sweatshops in producing Georgetown-logoed apparel, and pay raises for both university cleaning staff and police."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown has many additional groups representing national, ethnic, and linguistic interests."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In 2006, MEChA (is this an acronym of some kind? If so please spell it out) de Georgetown, which works to improve Chicano recruitment and involvement (it seems to me the stated accomplishment doesn't fit their mission statement), brought together a broad coalition of groups as "GU Students United Against Racism" to protest a paid speaking event by Chris Simcox, leader of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps." Why did they protest? maybe add "perceived racism"?
 * Added "perceived racism."--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown's student body is particularly active in politics; groups based on local, national, and international issues are popular, and free speech is generally respected." Respected? How so? Didn't the aforementioned group block someone from speaking?
 * "While not supported financially by the school, as their its stated positions on abortion is are in opposition to the school's, the organization is permitted to meet and table '(is "table" actually a verb?" in university spaces.
 * ✅ OED says so.--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Besides the full-day carnival,..."
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Halloween is always celebrated with viewings of alumnus William Peter Blatty's film The Exorcist." I assume there are some people that don't attend.
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Homecoming coincides with a home football game. Festivities such as tailgating and a formal dance are sponsored by the Alumni Association, and draw past graduates back to campus." "Homecoming" doesn't need to be italicized. Combine these two sentences.
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The largest planned sports-related celebration is the first basketball practice of the season. Dubbed Midnight Madness, this event introduces the basketball team..."
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "''These speakers are frequently important scholars, and authors, heads of state, U.S. politicians, and religious leaders.
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Many heads of state visit Georgetown while in the capital." Really awkward sentence that doesn't flow with the rest of the paragraph. I recommend deleting it or incorporating it elsewhere
 * ✅--Patrick 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Jesuits
 * "Georgetown University was founded by Jesuits..." Again, please try and rephrase to avoid passive voice.
 * "...and presents itself as an institution grounded in the tradition of Ignatius of Loyola.''"
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Although president John J. DeGioia is not a Jesuit, five of the <insert how many total members there are here; if it is all of them, state so> members of Georgetown's Board of Directors are Jesuits. "
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Most of these Jesuits live in the Wolfington Hall Jesuit Residence on the main campus, though some serve as chaplains-in-residence s ."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In addition, these Jesuits often are employed..."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The role that its Jesuit and Catholic heritage has played in Georgetown University's polices has been at times controversial at times."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Stores located in Georgetown University-owned buildings are not allowed to sell or distribute birth control methods."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Similarly, Georgetown University Hospital operates under the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Services, which prevents prohibits abortions from being performed on the premises,but  The hospital does however 'does perform research using stem cells from aborted fetuses.
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In 2007, the Georgetown University Law Center sparked protests following the university's decision to cease funding for a student's internship at Planned Parenthood's litigation department, EJF, despite funding it the previous year.''"Did the law center spark protests, or did its decision? Or was it the university's decision? What does EJF stand for?
 * Changed to say that the students protested. EJF, on further reading is the organization that runs the internship, not the litigation department.--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Between 1996 and 1999 crucifixes were hung in many university classrooms, attracting national controversy attention."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "At that point crucifixes were hung in hospital and historic classrooms only." At what point? 1996? 1999? Before? After?
 * ✅ Before 1996.--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Pressure to remove the crucifixes came comes however from within the Catholic community, while but campus leaders of other faiths have defended them the decision."
 * The thing is that pressure still comes, and the issue is openly discussed in editorials. Secondly, this is according to the Imam, who is interviewed in the reference regarding his support, and he says it in the present tense.--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Since you aren't quoting the imam, you can say that it was said in the past. It may still be openly discussed, but your reference is to the past. You could simply add a sentence at the end stating that the controversy is not resolved at this time. — BQZip01 —  talk 19:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Some of these crucifixes are historic works of art, and are noted as such." Wait a minute. What happened? Was the controversy resolved? Please don't mix verb tenses within paragraphs if at all possible.
 * I moved this sentence earlier, does it make more sense now?--Patrick 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Athletics (To be added in the near future)
 * "Georgetown fields twenty-seven varsity sports teams and twenty club sports teams." Sports is redundant here
 * ✅--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown teams participate in the NCAA's Division I." Not the club teams. Please fix
 * ✅--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The school competes in the Big East Conference in virtually every NCAA sport, though the football team competes in the Division I FCS Patriot League, the men's lacrosse team in Eastern College Athletic Conference, and the rowing teams in the Eastern Association of Rowing Colleges." I truly doubt they participate in almost every NCAA sport. Rephrase to "...for almost all of their NCAA-sanctioned teams..." or something like it.
 * ✅--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "With 146 athletes receiving aid, Georgetown University graduates over ninety percent of its student athletes." What does aid have to do with graduation rates. While both are certainly facts, one does not lead to the other.
 * ✅--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown's athletics program has been listed among the twenty best in the nation." Who listed it? Again, get rid of the passive voice. "CNNSI listed Georgetown's athletics program..."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The name was picked up in the local dailies publications, and became official shortly afterwards."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The men's basketball team is of particular note as it won the NCAA championship in 1984 under coach John Thompson and continues to be a perennial favorite in the NCAA tournament'. The current coach, John Thompson III,..." Is his son really the Third? Why not the second?
 * John Thompson is John Thompson Jr., but few publications, Wikipedia included, call him this. His son, however, almost always is name with the suffix, and indeed is known on campus as simply "JTIII".--Patrick 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "The team leads the Big East with seven in conference tournament titles and has made twenty-four NCAA tournament appearances."
 * ✅--Patrick 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Besides basketball, Georgetown is known as a national powerhouse in rowing, sailing, lacrosse, and track and field." known to who? Powerhouse is a bit POV. Try to tone it down a little.
 * I've made it say "nationally successful."--Patrick 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Alumni
 * "With 97,384 living alumni, and 3,046 listed in Marquis Who's Who publications, Georgetown alumni are nationally in the top fifteen among the most notable nation-wide." Quantifying the top 15 seems a bit POV. I mean, some people are notable to some people. Others aren't. Saying they are among the top few leaves some ambiguity to the claim and room for the reader to determine who is notable and who isn't.
 * But that's the idea of Marquis Who's Who, which is an unbiased arbitrator of notability. It's a fact to say that 3 thousand alumni are noted in the book, which is the 14th most of US colleges.--Patrick 20:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, that justification makes sense. I see your point. — BQZip01 —  talk 21:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In Congress, five alumni serve in the Senate, and sixteen in the House of Representatives." Which Congress? the US Congress? This should be explicitly spelled out.
 * ✅--Patrick 21:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Besides numerous members of the senior diplomatic corps, many heads of state are alumni, including former U.S. President Bill Clinton, are alumni ."
 * ✅--Patrick 21:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "In law the legal realm of America (feel free to replace this with something else), alumni include a current Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Antonin Scalia, and a former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Edward Douglass White."
 * ✅--Patrick 21:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Of medium-sized schools, Georgetown produces more Peace Corps volunteers than any other private university." What are medium-sized schools?
 * ✅--Patrick 21:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Georgetown graduates have served at the head of diverse institutions, both in the public and private sector, and have headed military organizations on both the national and international level." Really vague claim with no examples to back it up.
 * We used to have lots of examples, but the GA review complained about this, and it was shortened drastically. I do have a reference to Georgetown's own page where they list some notables, and there is the subpage, List of notable Georgetown University alumni, that goes into extreme detail.--Patrick 21:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just give an example or two. The Texas A&M University page also has an extensive list and we had to pare it down significantly too, so I feel your pain there. — BQZip01 —  talk 19:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)-->
 * I see. I hope I can address them.  Congrats to you too, by the way!--Patrick 15:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Medical Center on the Georgetown Banner
Hi Pat - thanks for your suggestions. If you think that "Campuses" is the right place to put the Medical Center, then I'll abide by that, but I'm not positive it belongs there. The med ctr incorporates the School of Medicine and the Biomedical Graduate program. The other pages on "campus" seem to be mostly buildings. Maybe we can split it into "Campuses" - GUMC, Law Center, Main Campus, McGhee, Villa la Balze, forthcoming Chinese campus - and "Buildings" for places like New South? What do you think? Thank you again for you patience! Elle121 20:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We can do that. There are only four buildings, but hopefully will be more in the future. I imagine at some point making the medical center its own row in the template, linking to the hospital, medstar, maybe the cancer center and others. What's this about a Chinese campus? I'll have to check the Hoya.--Patrick Ѻ 20:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The banner looks great! I don't think the University has published anything official yet about the Chinese campus but if I see a release I'll be sure to let you know. Elle121 16:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Florida Atlantic University
I noticed you were one of the primary contributors to the Georgetown University article. I'm having Florida Atlantic University undergo a peer review before taking it to WP:FAC. Since you are familiar with the process I was wondering if you would mind taking a look at the article? If so, please go here to offer any advice/suggestions.

Thanks, KnightLago 01:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

that seems like such arbitrary reasoning
on the Georgetown article, and the date is not cited in the history of Georgetown University article, contrary to your claim. For a comparison, check out Harvard University and note that important dates are cited with sources external to Wikipedia.

Furthermore, it seems like an outside attempt at trying to claim that Georgetown is the oldest tertiary educational body in the U.S. by dating it to 1634, oddly close to Harvard's 1636. I'd bet that if you inserted that Harvard can trace its roots to 1629 (the founding of Mass. Colony) it'd be taken down within a day. As it is, no one cares about Georgetown's article enough to be that scrupulous.

So, I'm putting the need for a citation back in until you can provide a more adequate source.

As for WP:Lead:

"The lead must conform to verifiability and other policies. The verifiability policy advises that material likely to be challenged and quotations should be cited...The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations"

So, the date is being challenged. Rather than remove the marker advising the need for a citation, please find a legitimate one.

220.213.123.36 04:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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main page FA
I notice that Georgetown made the main page today. Congrats on all your hard work to get it there! Esrever 01:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations once again Patrick!--Ybbor<sup style="color:green;">Talk 02:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulate Me
I got into Georgetown! :)

(To be honest, I think my work on the article helped me get more knowledgeable about the school for my interview). --Ybbor<sup style="color:green;">Talk 01:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I got accepted to the College. (For some reason they put me down as undeclared. The application form was confusing, and I'm pretty sure I had to check the "undeclared" box before I could check the "political science" box.) I don't know whether I'm going yet, that'll depend a lot on Financial aid, which I know Georgetown is supposed to pretty good with, correct? I have to tell you, nothing makes you want to go to a prestigious school like Georgetown quite like being accepted there. I was wondering if you could give me a little insight into DC life. Assuming I'm going into poli sci (what's your major by the way?), what are some advantages/disadvantages of Georgetown compared to GWU? Do you consider Georgetown's reputation and name recognition to be big appeal? How important is where you get your degree to those in the politics? Obviously, one of GWU's assets is how well-integrated it is with the city. But Georgetown is only 1.5 miles away. Obviously I'm sure you don't feel disconnected with the city, but do you really feel as much a part of it as you think you would at GWU? Thanks again, both for your time and your work on the Georgetown article. Hoya Saxa! (I can finally say that!) --Ybbor<sup style="color:green;">Talk 15:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, glad to hear you're going into government. Have a job yet? How was the career center in that regard? You mentioned that Georgetown has much better name recognition; how big a role does this play in terms of getting a job in politics? They say it's all who you know, but does the name on the degree change things that much?--Ybbor<sup style="color:green;">Talk 21:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Your copyedit request
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Invite
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Jack the Bulldog

 * Congrats on the Jack the Bulldog GA! I'm always happy to read something new, particularly about bulldogs, and double particularly about mascots. JKBrooks85 (talk) 10:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. It was a good article to read, I learned something interesting about mascots. If you have any other articles you would like for me to review, don't hesitate to hit me. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hoyas at the VZ Center
Hey. I know VZ center is the team's primary home but I'm not sure if the Hoyas should be mentioned on Washington, D.C because they represent GU, not the city. Best, epicAdam(talk) 22:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

College Fight Songs
There is a thread on the administrators' noticeboard which may concern you. Please see Administrators'_noticeboard. CrazyPaco (talk) 05:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Pi Kappa Alpha, Sigma Nu
These fraternities should be restored to the article. Not only are they the two longest-surviving extent fraternities on campus, but they operate as authentic American fraternities - sans administrative oversight. In contrast, Sigma Phi Epsilon, which is listed, no longer institutes a pledging process or most of its ritual and is, by a literal interpretation of the definition, no longer a secret, Greek-letter, college fraternity (i.e., the usual meaning of "fraternity" at American universities).

Pi Kappa Alpha's founder Robertson Howard was a Georgetown Medical School alumnus before attending the University of Virginia where he founded the fraternity in 1868. Georgetown was finally colonized in 1906 (ref.: The Oak, Pi Kappa Alpha publications). Because traditional American fraternities have not been officially recognized by many Catholic universities, Pi Kappa Alpha remains a colony (one of ten such non-chapter entities), though it is self-governing and fully accredited by the International Headquarters with a current brotherhood of 37 (ref.: Shield and Diamond, Pi Kappa Alpha publications).

Sigma Nu at Georgetown University was originally a local fraternal organization called "The Steward Society" (ref.: Regent's Record, Vol. III, Sigma Nu publications). It was affiliated with Sigma Nu's national headquarters in 1948, but was apparently disbanded by 1969 (ref.: Regent's Record, Vol. IV, Sigma Nu publications). Nonetheless, an active colony is listed with Sigma Nu's headquarters today with a current brotherhood in the lowest range "Less than 25 members" (ref.: The Delta, 2007 annual, Sigma Nu publications).

Please consider the appropriate restorations, Patrizio. Guilfaloo (talk) 06:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Georgetown criticism
Hi Patrick, I just wanted to pose a question. Please, I ask you earnestly not to take these remarks as criticism or argument. I had posted in the lead paragraph of Georgetown University that Georgetown was criticized for its Catholicism but all by Catholics for alleged unorthodoxy. I just wanted to ask, why is it the case that criticism from the outside is "controversy" notable enough to be mentioned, but criticism from Catholics isn't notable? There are surely tens of thousands of conversative Catholics (and even conservative non-Catholics) who have criticized Georgetown, on a fairly wide scale. However, I respect your viewpoint. Thanks --Dpr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.194.50 (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Patrick, Thanks for your note about the criticism sentence. Personally, I don't really like an opening paragraph that introduces controversy, as i think it should be simple and objective, leaving deeper discussion about these kinds of issues to later in the article. My edit reflects the fact, though, that if the sentence is going to be included, it is much too one-sided to say criticism of Georgetown comes from those who oppose its adherence to Catholic doctrine. I'm not sure of the nature or duration of your familiarity with Georgetown, but there have been many controversies within the last 15 years or so that caused considerable controversy inside the Catholic community. Some of these included funding for a pro-abortion group on campus, which prompted the Vatican to reprimand the university, as well as a well-publicized controversy about the removal of crucifixes from certain classrooms and alumni outrage over that incident. More recently, the university received a lot of criticism for allowing the White House to cover over the Jesuit symbol of "IHS" that includes a cross. As it is, we can work to find some references if necessary, but I repeat my objection that it is much too one-sided to say the majority of criticism comes from those who object to the Church's policies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DCHoya (talk • contribs) 03:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Georgetown Hoyas
Not a problem. Just so long as progress moves along, no need to rush it. Wizardman 06:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

GA Review
I have finished a good article review of History of Georgetown University and placed the article on hold. Racepacket (talk) 04:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

GU History
I asked someone familiar with the topic about the history of diversity at GU, and here is his response: "You're right; by the time Bill Clinton graduated from the School of Foreign Service in 1968, Georgetown was just becoming fully coeducational (the College of Arts and Sciences was the last to admit women, that is. And the university's first small attempt to recruit inner-city black students began that year as well, although it built rather slowly through the 1970s. And there were no curricular upheavals. The university offered its first official courses in an African-American Studies minor in 2003. Yet at one point in the late 1980s or early 1990s, which should be checked and which was before "minority" began to diversify and include Latino and Asian students, the university's undergrad black enrollment peaked at near 10%, a level Cornell has never approached.

"I think it's all about basketball.

"The Georgetown men's basketball team, led by the outspoken coach John Thompson, created an image of diversity that apparently was not fully realized on campus. But it was enough to attract black applicants and others who thought the school was more progressive. When Georgetown won the national championship in 1984 it became in a way black America's team. It also helped that President Timothy Healy was a major public figure in higher ed in the 70s and I gather a champion of equal opportunity.

"To be defensive, I would say that most American universities did not necessarily experience the 60s the way Cornell did, but Georgetown certainly did not. Lots of student demonstrators ended up bivouacing here during legendary marches on the Pentagon and such, even though Georgetown students themselves did not have a strong reputation for "starting trouble."" Perhaps you may want to expand the article to reflect this insight. Racepacket (talk) 11:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

New South Hall
I redirected the article to the appropriate page because the article did not make any claims to notability. Simply existing is not notable. Do you see multiple, independent sources? Is it on the National Register of Historic Places? The only sources are from the school newspaper and a casual mention in another source.--TM 23:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * "If appropriate sources cannot be found after a good-faith search for them, consider merging the article's content into a broader article providing context." There are not multiple, independent sources. I did not blank the page, I redirected it to a broader article providing context.--TM 23:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I judged that the article was merge-worthy and redirected it. If you feel that it is notable, it is up to you to prove it. I will take it to AfD if need be.--TM 23:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I am going to tag it with Db-a7.--TM 23:44, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Db-a7 does not apply to buildings. Racepacket (talk) 23:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of New South Hall
An article that you have been involved in editing, New South Hall, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. TM 04:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work on the New South Hall article. Have you finished your work on History of Georgetown U so that I can review the GA? Racepacket (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

More dorm AfDs

 * Articles for deletion/Maclean Hall
 * Articles for deletion/Broadview Hall
 * Articles for deletion/Burton–Judson Courts Racepacket (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Max Palevsky Residential Commons
 * I passed your article. Please take another look at Cornell.  I hope I met your concerns or explained why they did not apply. Racepacket (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you please go back and !vote in Darnall Hall AfD. Your message is currently treated as just a comment. Thanks. Racepacket (talk) 13:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * AfD is not a vote.--TM 18:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I knew what he meant.-- Patrick {o Ѻ ∞} 18:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

University Housing pages
Following up on a conversation at WP:Universities, you had mentioned that the following schools were targeted by Namiba for having their dorm pages deleted: "Schools targeted in this drive include the University of Kansas, Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, Michigan, Michigan State, Mississippi State, Virginia Commonwealth, UC Berkeley, Georgetown University, Yale, Brigham Young, and the Rochester Institute of Technology.-- Patrick {oѺ∞} 22:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)" I've created, or already existed, merged housing pages for Georgetown, Berkeley, University of Chicago, and now Virginia Commonwealth. The latter one, Housing at Virginia Commonwealth University, I've been working on lately. Which VCU halls were nominated, and are there any that were redirected? Johnson Hall was redirected, but not nominated. I've merged it.

I'm trying to merge in the rest of them, including other schools too, so if you have a list of what all was nominated or available, let me know and I will try to integrate them as I can.

I also can look through Namiba's AfD contributions around that time, but were there any other editors nominating that I should look through too? Shadowjams (talk) 19:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Georgetown Athletics/Student Activities update - Georgetown University Running Club
Hi Mr. Neil,

My name is Tim Dougherty and I am the Communications Director for Club Running. Would there be a way to mention Club Running on the Student Activities or the Athletics section of the Georgetown Wikipedia web-page? Our goals is to link our website, www.georgetown.clubrunning.org, underneath the aforementioned sections on Georgetown's page. Feel free to check out our website or ask me any questions. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely, 98.110.19.208 (talk) 18:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)Tim tpd28@georgetown.edu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.19.208 (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Take at look at my proposed changes to Georgetown University
I've proposed a rewriting of the introduction to the article on Georgetown University. Please take a look at the article's discussion page and let me know what you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feis-Kontrol (talk • contribs) 23:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Washington, D.C. SVG Map
Hey Patrick. It was great finally getting to meet you. :-) I noticed the SVG graphic you put up on the Washington, D.C. page. I like being able to use SVGs, but even though the image is small, I do like the PNG better for the following reasons:
 * The PNG has complete borders around MD and VA and the states are labeled, which I think is essential
 * The lines between the counties are darker on the SVG making the map look too busy (in my opinion), especially in comparison to the already-small District; the same is true for the border lines between the states on the US inset map
 * The original map is "zoomed in" further, which I think is preferable
 * The border on the PNG helps to distinguish the gray map from the rest of the gray background of the infobox.

Is it possible/worth it to alter the SVG to address the above comments? I know it's nice to have a larger version of the map when people click on it, but perhaps there's a way to get a larger PNG or a more-precise SVG to address that issue? Thanks! -epicAdam(talk) 20:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * All these things are pretty easy to change on the SVG, and I'll try to get a version more similar to the PNG up soon. However, this is an opportunity to change anything you didn't like about the PNG. For example, I'm not sure red is a great color for the border. Also the dimensions and the zoom of the map can be quickly changed. How wide do you want it? Some/all/none of Delaware? More of VA? So while I can just replicate the PNG, perhaps we can improve. And good job with the tour! Stay in touch.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 20:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. I agree, the red is not great. I do like the level on zoom on the PNG map, however, as it shows the general metro area. No more of VA is necessary, it's just good to show people how DC is situated between Maryland and Virginia like that. I think showing the slivers of DE, PA and the WV panhandle are fine for context. Thanks for your work on this. Glad you could come with us down on the Mall! Best, epicAdam(talk) 21:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I gave it a shot. It's not perfect, so we could go back to the PNG. Thoughts? The border doesn't seem right, but it might be better if the infobox photos above went back to having a black border too.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 02:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I think it looks pretty good. Much better with the borders around the states and the box. The only other issue I noticed is that the lines seem to be tilted somewhat. It's easy to tell with the District and Baltimore, since they're both supposed to have right angles... As for the borders, I don't really think having the map looks odd. The infobox photos don't really need it, but I'm not opposed to restoring the black border there as well. Thanks again for your hard work on this! I really wish I had some experience with scaled vector graphics but alas, it's not exactly my cup of tea. :-) Best, epicAdam(talk) 02:34, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice Work on SFS-Q Page
Hey, Patrick. Just started here at SFS-Q on a temp assignment. People still talk fondly of you in your old building. Was exploring WP info on Doha, hoping to work on it myself once I get situated. Was wondering who did such a thorough job on the SFS-Q page. Lo and behold, your username sounded very familiar. Best of luck, wherever you are now. Alharaka (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Georgetown University
Thank you for your welcome message. Please note, however, that I am not experimenting with the Georgetown University page. In fact, I have edited wikipedia in the past and I just cannot recall any of the account details as it was long ago.--Misc11 (talk) 22:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

permission to use georgetown photo
Hi, I am a college student putting together a video for a history class and was wondering if I may use your georgetown photo? It is for educational purposes only.

Thanks,

Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.225.120 (talk) 23:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Thomas, the answer is yes, provided I get credit, preferably on screen at the same time as the photo, but a credit at the end would be fine to as long as its understood what I'd be credited to. Also, I assume you're talking about File:Healy Pink.jpg? Why don't you send me an email? I'd love to know more about the video.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 02:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Georgetown and the Royalty
Thank you for the explanation, Patrick. I'm not gonna add these honorific treatments anymore. But royal titles such as Prince of Asturias are not honorific, so they must be added. --Princelyddd (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, but it might just be redundant to say "Prince of Asturias (Crown Prince of Spain)". I think we can get away with just calling him one or the other. Also, you should watch out for overlinking common terms. There's plenty more guidelines on that at MOS:LINK.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 03:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk: Georgetown University Alumni & Student Federal Credit Union
As you wish. Hey, I got nothing against Georgetown: nice school, nice place (if one can afford it). 207.157.121.92 (talk) 19:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Philodemic Society


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DYK nomination of Sugar Rodgers
Hello! Your submission of Sugar Rodgers at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mgrē@sŏn 20:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
Thanks for the Tireless Contributor Barnstar award you gave me on 25 January for the Georgetown men's basketball articles. It is a labor of love (I've been a fan of the team since 1977), but it's good to know someone else enjoys it; I appreciate your show of support and I am sorry to have taken so long to respond. With all the seasons created, I have gone back to add season recaps to each of them. So far, I've completed the recaps from 1906-07 up through the 1987-88 season, and I'll keep plugging away until I finish them. The late 1970s and early 1980s were particularly fun to do – they brought back a lot of memories – and now I'm arriving at the Mourning-Mutombo era. Looks like the NIT in 2014, but Hoya Saxa anyway! Mdnavman (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)mdnavman
 * Absolutely! You're welcome! Keep up the good work, and let me know where I can help. And yes, I telling myself next year will be better.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 18:35, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:V in sources
Please advise Re: this I don't see anything at WP:V or WP:SOURCES about this. Can you substantiate your claim in the edit summary? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:25, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I started a discussion on the talk page of the script about this. I see this has been discussed at the MOS, without resolution. Perhaps you can help me get consensus on this, one way or the other?-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 17:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Reverted edits inquiry
Hello, I'm just inquiring as to why you reverted a number of my edits on the articles of several schools of Georgetown University. The edits were consistent with the infobox field format used in the Georgetown University article itself as well as with many other university infoboxes. The version that you reverted back to was put in place by myself, as was the recent version. I modified my own edits to in an effort to achieve consistency. Thanks.  Ergo Sum  18:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I may have been too hasty here. It does seem like Seal (emblem) is linked more often than not, though that may just mean this is a larger debate. Carry on the good work then!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 20:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that linking Seal (emblem) seems unnecessary. I was simply bringing those articles in line with the format on the other aforementioned ones. If you would like to unlink seal, I should think it quite appropriate. Just wanted to bring it to your attention. Happy editing.  Ergo Sum  20:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK Nomination
Hello! Your submission of Dahlgren Chapel of the Sacred Heart at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!

Hello Patrickneil, I reviewed the nomination. It looks like everything is in order except for the requirement that the image appear in the article. The image that you selected does not appear in the Dahlgren Chapel of the Sacred Heart article. Thanks for your attention.  Ergo Sum  20:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the barnstar! It's much appreciated. Related to that, you may wish to weigh in at List of Georgetown University alumni Featured List nomination regarding any steps you think should be taken or your opinion on the matter.  Ergo Sum  19:26, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You're most welcome, you deserve it. I'll be sure to weigh in on the FLC soon. I am concerned with the dead links though, featured status in my experience is largely a judgement on sourcing. It may be that some of these names need to come out if we can't find updated sources.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 02:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Lede
Thanks for your feedback regarding the Georgetown introduction. Feel free to drop by with any suggestions on what further changes can be made to avoid flowery/pretentious language.--Satt 2 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Big East Timeline changes
That timeline was a lot of work. the big east retains the basketball records of past teams since 1979 therefore it is relevant to show which teams were big east members at the time of the 2013 realignment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.132.105.51 (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I understand you put work into those edits, but the section is titled "Membership timeline", not "Timeline of programs included in records the current conference claims." Do understand there's nothing personal in my edits. These timelines are something that are fairly standardized across other conferences, and I don't think there's precedent for including Syracuse, Notre Dame, USF, Louisville, and Rutgers here. Feel free to compare and discuss it further at Talk:Big East Conference. Thanks-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 22:37, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Commons CfD: College athletics programs
(posting here per the editnotice on your Commons talk page)

Hi, I have started a discussion to rename a large collection of categories, one or more of which you may have created or edited. Please see the discussion thread at commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/04/College athletics programs for details. Thanks, Iago Qnsi  (User talk:IagoQnsi) 04:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Quick question
Hi Patrick, I am wondering whether you happen to remember where you found this image of Leonard Neale. I'm hoping to fill out its source information so that no issues arise by using it in the article.  Ergo Sum  02:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I actually wasn't the originally uploader unfortunately, according to the log that was this user, on 2006-12-10. I probably reuploaded it to adjust the color way back in 2007, and then it looks like it was copied to the commons in 2013. The source it was listed with is the Archdiocese of Baltimore, which does still have a cropped version on an article about him on their site. I imagined the painting was somewhere in Healy Hall, perhaps outside Georgetown's president's office, but can't say I ever bothered to find it. Look's like you've been doing yeoman's work on Neale's article, it's looking great!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 18:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I've beefed up the source for the image, just to remove any doubt that it's properly licensed. I do admit that I find Commons image licensing the most tedious part of improving an article.  Ergo Sum 

Georgetown question
Hi Patrickneil! I posted a question relating to something I noticed at the Georgetown University page at Village pump (technical). Since you appear to be the primary contributor to that page, if it was you who got the map outline to work, please let me know how you did it!

Also, while I'm here, I noticed you helped rescue Georgetown University Student Association from deletion a while back. If you have any tips/thoughts on student government sourcing/notability, please let me know as I'm encountering something similar. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 20:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Ooo, that one is complicated. As I understand it, it's baked into Wikidata. You'll see those little maps on pages with Template:Maplink. I know how to use it on geography articles where just works like magic, because the template knows the city or state, like Pennsylvania. Try asking on the talk page there, but the coords I think have to be built into Wikidata, which is this other site. As for GUSA, I fear that'll always be borderline notability unless some crazy scandal makes the national news. I'd say that building up the history strengthens its notability, and for that I'd recommend Robert Emmett Curran's three part A History of Georgetown University.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 21:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I thought I had built out the Wikidata profile for the page I'm working on, but I maybe missed something. And has Curran been accepted as a reliable source on Georgetown, despite his ties to the university? The issue I'm encountering is the main historical account of the school I'm working on was written by a diplomatic historian who had served as its president, and although it got critical praise for its objectivity, there's some lingering question as to its independence. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 23:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Interested in a project?
Hi Patrick, hope you're enjoying the holidays. I'm nearing completion on a long-term project I've been working on: getting all of the presidents of Georgetown up to at least GA status. I was thinking after I'm done, I'd try my hand at taking the History of Georgetown University article up to FA. That will probably be a hefty task, and since you're the main author of the article, I thought you might like to tackle it together. Is this something that interests you?  Ergo Sum  07:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out, happy holidays to you too! Yes, FA would be good goal, it's one I haven't tried for in some years. I even marked it on my user page that I think the process is too rigid, and I recall pleasing the users who patrol FA's gated garden as an ugly sycophantic game. We'd probably run into an issue with using The Hoya or other campus newspapers as refs, as well as using the Georgetown site itself. You'd also likely need to loose that "Fictional depictions" section, I'm not sure it would even survive GAR. I think if I have more time for Georgetown, which I admit I haven't in recent years, I'd like to spend more time updating figures on the main article. All that being said, yes, I'd love to help! You've done amazing work on all the presidents and it makes sense to bring the History article up too. Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 04:59, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * In my experience with the presidents, Hoya articles haven't presented much of a problem; then again, I haven't relied on them so much for supporting significant propositions. I have two more articles I'd like to polish up before taking a look at the History article. I'll drop by then and see if that's a good time for you as well. Cheers.  Ergo Sum  06:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That took a bit longer than I expected. Ready when you are to start on this.  Ergo Sum  20:42, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, ready. Just for you, I found room today in my suitcase for Curran's 3 volume set of Georgetown history books.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 01:13, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Look at you! A true historian. I'll have the same handy, though there might be moments where I can't get to it just then. In the next day or two, I plan on going through the article making any copyedits and also checking the formatting/quality of sources. From there, would you want to perhaps break it up into its sections and see whether there are any omissions and then perhaps do a final read through of the article?  Ergo Sum  01:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Patrick, apologies for not having gotten around to this. I'm determined to do it; just need to find time, which has been in short supply these days. I thought you might be interested that I've nominated Patrick Francis Healy for FAC. He really had a fascinating life. Since my last FAC failed for lack of input, I'm a tad nervous that this one will too. If you have a free moment and any interest in doing a FAC review, you'd certainly have my thanks.  Ergo Sum  20:47, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Featured article review for Georgetown University
I have nominated Georgetown University for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)