User talk:Patrickneil/Virginia

Your GA nomination of Virginia
Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Virginia you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 4 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. &mdash; Rudget contributions 15:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, just wanted to tell you, I'll be reviewing the article tomorrow. So if you want to make any more edits, do so now! :) &mdash; Rudget contributions 17:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You just caught me on time. I was just reading about Virgina being the "Mother of Presidents" :) &mdash; Rudget speak.work 17:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put it on hold. Please see the talk page for eventual comments. &mdash; Rudget speak.work 19:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've now [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|16px]] passed the article. Well done, Patrick and apologies for (in retrospect, IMO) my slightly strange behaviour during the review. And once again, well done. All the best, &mdash; Rudget Contributions 16:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

RE:Virginia
I really don't like how you are saying all how urbanization=liberalism. You fail to mention suburban areas. The majority of suburban areas around the country are Republican. The inner city urban areas are the Democratic areas. Fairfax is an exception to this due to its Northeastern-like culture. It is common knowledge that Northern Virginia is closer culturally to the Northeastern states due to its proximity to the DC area. About your comment about DCs urban sprawl, you pretty said what I was saying. The Washington DC metro area is Northeastern in culture. Its culture is being spread by urban sprawl into Northern Virginia. Culture includes political views.

Look at this page to see the election results by county in Virginia (United States presidential election in Virginia, 2004) and you'll see that Fairfax was not won "overwhelmingly" by John Kerry.

Look at this to better understand the "urban-rural split" (Red states and blue states)

Message me back if you have any questions but please do not revert correct information.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 22:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Err - no: Red&Blue is mostly unsourced; I don't recall seeing any of your edits to that (or the other political-POV topics) having a reliable source. Let's not encourage Patrick to do that. Tedickey (talk) 14:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

First Tedickey, yes the contributions on Red and Blue states are sourced. You should look again; it is all sourced from this website- Second we can simply rephrase the "the majority of the rest of Virginia is still strongly supportive of the Republican Party" part by simply taking out the word "strongly" out. But surely you know that without Northern Virginia, Virginia would be a strongly Republican state. While the margins of victories in each county/district vary, the only places in Virginia (excluding Northern Virginia) that consistently vote Democrat are the 2 college towns in which UVA and VT are located in and the majority black areas in the southeastern region. Virginia was a moderate Bush state instead of a strong Bush state like most of the rest of the states in the South in 2004 because of the largely liberal, and highly/densely populated Fairfax and Arlington counties. Northern Virginia and Southern Virginia are in a conflict politically. In fact Because the majority of the rest of Virginia is in favor of more conservative political views and in turn overwhelms the liberal majority in Fairfax and Arlington, Northern Virginia has proposed a split of the state making a "North Virginia" and a "South Virginia" so that it may pick more liberal candidates, just look it up. That is where I get the word "conflict". The liberal majority in Northern Virginia can be "contrasted" with the conservative majority in Southern Virginia.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 01:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Virginia
No problem, just glad I could help. If you need help or have questions don't hesitate to ask. KnightLago (talk) 19:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Virginia Politics
My mistake! I did not mean to add in that portion.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Virginia
Excellent. I'll give it another good look in the next few days to see if I can spot any issues or do some fine tuning. Otherwise, I do plan to be around to help out as needed.-- Kubigula (talk) 04:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm prepared to help with the FAC, but I have to confess a bit of ignorence as to the process. The first issue is over whether a number of the sources are sufficiently reliable - are our choices to either substantiate the reliability of the source or find a better source?-- Kubigula (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Bummer. I had just printed a hard copy of the article to give the prose a good look over, when I saw the FA had been dinged. I was surprised to see it closed so quickly. Anyway, you did excellent work on the article.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Virginia Politics Section
Oh yeah, it looks fine with me. Go for it.--Lucky Mitch (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Virginia PR
You are very welcome for the peer review. I will try and take a second look at the article and see what else comes to mind, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Towns in Virginia
I thought I would address to you on your talk page (so it wouldn't get lost on the template page) but having a "Towns of Virginia" template would be a great idea. Easy cut and paste of the old section removed and added to all respective pages. Take Care... NeutralHomer •  Talk  • January 14, 2009 @ 03:35
 * Thanks. I went and did up Template:Virginia towns, but I'm not sure I have the patience tonight to add it to every town's page. I'd like to get more thoughts on this anyways, since deleting parts tends to cause a reaction.--Patrick «» 03:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I went ahead and added it to my hometown's "work-in-progress" page, Stephens City, Virginia.  If you like, I can add it to all the other pages.  If not, let me know when you like and I can add it then :)  Take Care... NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • January 14, 2009 @ 03:46


 * Looks good. I'm all for adding it to every town's page, I might wait for more comment, but if you have the time now, go right ahead! I'm really thinking this is the way to go.--Patrick «» 03:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I will add it to the pages that require it right now and necessary we can always revert. Take Care... NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • January 14, 2009 @ 04:03
 * Made easy work of that :) Please let me know if you need anymore help elsewhere in the WP:Virginia project.  Take Care... NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • January 14, 2009 @ 04:24

Virginia Climate Article.
Hello there. I saw that you removed the table I spent time making, but I do not understand why. If it is a wikipedia standard to have both fahrenheit and celcius, then perhaps you could explain to me why every state from from Maine to Florida has the same table in fahrenheit only with the exceptions of; Georgia & New Jersey (contains both F & C), New Hampshire and Massachusetts (have no table listed, but should) ? If wikipedia requires these tables to be in both measurement types, then can you show me the documentation of this requirement? Im not trying to be a pain, but that information should be contained in the main article.

If necessary, I can make a table with both F and C, such as that for NJ, or GA, which is not much bigger at all. I did look at the VA Climate sub article, and that table is not done in the best way to conserve space, thus it is HUGE, and quite unsightly.

Until then I am placing my original table, which is correctly made, formatted, and sourced, back into the article.

Please let me know if you think we should have the table with both measurement types. Thanks.

KJ --DCA Palms (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Good morning,

I looked over the Minnesota page, and found it curious that it did not contain this table of information. A few things jumped out at me. The article on climate is extremely short, with very little information. Washington, D.C. is also a featured article, and has more information on its climate, and also has the average temperature table, in a rather large format. (it does include both F and C however) Personally, I like the Washington, D.C. best. It appears to me that every sate in the southeastern United States has this temperature table on its Wikipedia page. Since VA is part of the southeastern United States, and shares most of its geographical features and climate with the other states in the region, it seems to me to be appropriate for Virginia to also have similar characteristics on its entry page as well. With all due respect to Minnesota, and its entry page, it is not part of, and is far removed from the southeastern U.S.

Let me know if you think that this article should have both measurements, and I will make the table with both. As stated, I like the table on the Washington D.C., and that is also a featured article.

best,

KJ --DCA Palms (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, no it does not make sense. Virginia is so diverse in its climate, that to cite only the lowest average lows and highest average highs is IMHO bad information. VA Beach rarely goes below 32F, while some higher elevations west of the Blue Ridge routinely go well below freezing, and at times well below zero. Simply citing the extremes of the whole state combined do not reflect these geographic difference in climates in any way. Furthermore, if you will notice, the cities selected, are basically along roughly the same latitude, 37N, which also reflects the differences in climate due to geographical location, features, and elevations within the state. The table is not bulky to me at all. Again. Washington D.C.'s table is much much larger.

I would like to know why you feel that Virginia should not display the same table that is displayed by ever other southeastern US state, and most US state on the Atlantic coast. I think it is relevant to the article. I would also like to see where citing ustravelweather.com is NOT considered an "official" source. Can you show me a wiki document citing exactly what an accepted "official" source is? They get their data from the National Weather Service, I am not sure how much more "official" it can get than that. I will pull the data directly from the National Climatic Dada Center website, (which is a division of NOAA) and source it as such, with a link directly to the NCDC data table itself, which is contained in a PDF file that is downloadable to anyone. It can not get any more "official" than the information / data collected and provided by the United States government. This should meet any supposed requirements wikipedia apparently has. Again I cite Washington D.C. entry page, which is a FEATURED ARTICLE, as that entry's data table is sourced to the Weather Channel.

Regarding placing "energy" information in the climate article: Again, the part about energy is unrelated to climate, and should have its own separate article. I am not sure how to explain that more clearly. Furthermore, if you want the article to be more compact, then there should be NO references to man made pollution, nor energy within it, as neither of those things are actually part of "Climate". Pollution is a byproduct of largely made made causes. Climate has nothing to do with man made particulates in the air, which is an environmental issue, that may eventually over a very long period slightly affect climate, but is not climate itself.

I suppose we are going to be in complete disagreement on these points. The Virginia page is not just one persons page. Also, I have lived in the Washington Metropolitan area my entire 37 years.

KJ

--DCA Palms (talk) 18:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Good catch
Thanks for the edit at Template:Infobox U.S. state. I didn't even notice their were two different lines for that. -Rrius (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Virginia
Thanks for letting me know about changes to section on free blacks. I think some other sources had described the Quakers as missionaries, but yours sounds better. Glad to see others are working on it.--Parkwells (talk) 00:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Virginia
I'd be happy to take a look at Virginia for you. I won't be able to do it until Saturday. If you could send me a reminder message that day, it will help me remember. You might as well put it up for PR, too. Dincher (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I look forward to it. I am very busy IRL, but I have a part time job that gives me hours before the wiki! Dincher (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am beginning the VA PR now. Dincher (talk) 16:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I was glad to do it. Dincher (talk) 10:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

RE:Virginia intro
I just checked all the other state introductions and Virginia is the only one with such an unflattering statement, so even if Virginia were absolutely choking on fat and pollution it would still only need to be covered in the rest of the article.--Old Guard (talk) 20:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Virginia
Thanks, that's a better wording than I had.-- Patrick {oѺ∞} 04:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Your Virginia edit spree is impressive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Future2008 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

So far the article seems alright compared to the only two FA states. I'm not familiar with the Featured Article process, please let me know what I can do to help it become one.--Old Guard (talk) 09:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In "Modern times", while the VA Tech killings fit chronologically, they don't seem to fit with the paragraph, which begins "New economic forces". Tedickey (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In "Demographics", is the "very well" a phrase from the cited source? Tedickey (talk) 00:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * At the end of "Law and government", it seems a "the" may be needed before "second highest" Tedickey (talk) 00:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look at Virginia now. Dincher (talk) 15:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome and best of luck on the FAC. --Dincher (talk) 17:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Demographics
Thank you for your note. I'm not sure what the technical issue is; at Minnesota we moved the table into Demographics of Minnesota without problems. Nice job on the article; I suspect it will be promoted this weekend if the FAC folks are around to do it. Kablammo (talk) 11:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Black-White Achievement Gap Smaller in Va. Than Md. This article says the state has better achievement gap than the US average, and could back up "African Americans still created vibrant communities and made progress" but I'm not sure where it could go.--Old Guard (talk) 22:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Commonwealth vs. state
Hi, Patrick. Concerning the changes that I've made concerning states styled as commonwealths, you bring up a good point. You are correct in saying that, yes, I should have discussed the reasons for the change before making them. Please allow me to apologise.

My reasoning stems from the fact that there is an actual political unit classification of a commonwealth at the federal level in the United Stats. The federal classification of a commonwealth is a type of "organized but unincorporated dependent territory". Virginia (or Kentucy or Pennsylvania etc.) does not fit that classification. Political entities classified as commonwealths are not states; Virginia is. Below is an excerpt from a publication by the Commonwealth of Virginia:


 * You will often hear our state called the Commonwealth of Virginia. This does not mean Virginia has a different form of government than any other state. “Commonwealth” is defined by Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary as a political unit or government (1) “founded on law and united by compact or tacit agreement of the people for the common good,” or (2) “one in which supreme authority is vested in the people.” Using these definitions, it could be said that all 50 states, as well as our national government, are commonwealths. Besides Virginia, three other states - Kentucky, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania - use the term commonwealth as part of their official names.

Given the definitions that a commonwealth is both "founded on law and united by compact or tacit agreement of the people for the common good", or "one in which supreme authority is vested in the people", yes, you could call Virginia a commonwealth. However, we could make the same argument with the terms nation and state. The definition of a nation is a "large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own." Given that definition, each state in the union could be called a nation. The definition of a state is "a politically unified people occupying a definite territory; nation." Given that definition, one could consider the entire United States to be a state. However, both would be incorrect as there exists an exact classification (in the terms of United States political divisions) of states and the nation. A classification of commonwealth exists as well. Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands are commonwealths and the Philippines used to be a commonwealth. In no instance was a commonwealth ever a state. The article Political divisions of the United States explains as such (and I assure you that I was not the editor that made this contribution):


 * Four states (Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Kentucky) officially call themselves "commonwealth", which go back to their original founding charters and constitutions. In the federal context, the term "commonwealth" denotes an intermediate status between "territory" and "state"—both in the sense of "independent state" and "U.S. state"—but such does not apply to the four states that are commonwealths by their own state constitutions. At the Federal level, there is really no distinction, and the term is more of an archaism than one of any true importance.


 * However, Puerto Rico and the Northern Marianas Islands are territories which are commonwealths associated with the United States. They might someday advance to statehood, or they might become independent—as did the Philippines in 1946, after it was a commonwealth of the United States for many years. A territory — whether "organized" and "unorganized" has significantly fewer rights in the grand scheme of things than a commonwealth (let alone a state), but it ranks at least a notch above "possessions" such as Wake Island, which has no permanent population and thus does not require even a simple territorial government.

In the cases of Virginia, Kentucky, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, they are not commonwealths; they are only called commonwealths. The official name of the state of Virginia might be the Commonwealth of Virginia, but it is not a commonwealth. The two terms are not interchangeable.

Because of this, it becomes necessary to distinguish cases in articles where a political entity that is actually classified as a state is referred to as a commonwealth. Under the dictionary definitions of commonwealth, it might be justified to use commonwealth for state, but under their federal classifications, it isn't. While we both might not agree that Virginia should be classified as a commonwealth, we both agree that it is classified as a state. Again, I apologise for not discussing this first; that was mea culpa, and I ask for your forgiveness; you have my sincerest apologies. Please let me know if this is a problem. Otherwise, if I haven't heard back from you after a few days, I'll be resuming my edits and reverting the reverts to my edits. I hope that I have explained the situation adequately.

My talk page is always open (and unprotected) — D. Wo. 06:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

DOE
You are welcome!

Yeah, the rest of the U.S. states needed their DOES started, so I decided to fill in whichever ones are left. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Virginia feedback
I left fairly lengthy feedback on Virginia. It looks pretty good though! I'd be happy to help if you have any questions. Good luck! -Ravedave (talk) 04:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And thanks for fixing the Images, I've gotten rusty it seems. -Ravedave (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing insurmountable for sure. Re:Images - I just didn't get a real feeling of the state from the ones on there currently. Also I am pondering how to fit the climate box onto Minnesota. -Ravedave (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

It will take me a few days, but I will reread the article and weigh in on the FAC. Thanks, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Dabomb87 (talk) 22:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Virginia
Can you please go through my points one by one and say if they are addressed or why you will not be addressing them? That's what I have been waiting for. -Ravedave (talk) 18:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Stephens City, Virginia
I was wondering if you could take a look at History section of the Stephens City page and then take a look at my sandbox.

What I am attempting to do is get the Stephens City page up to Good Article status (one day Featured). Several editors have said that the history section is just too long and warrants it's own page and I should write a "blurb version" of the history, which I did on my sandbox page, and move the longer version to another page. I am just not sure if I encompassed enough information in the "blurb version". My skills are editing radio station articles, so writing something is kinda out of my league. Hence why I am asking for your help.

If you could take a look at the two pages I linked above and let me know what you think, or even edit some more on the "blurb version", I would greatly appreciate it. Take Care... NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 12:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just lighting your banner up again to bring this to your attention. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 21:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * On the "would"/"would be known" thing, I can caulk it up to my inexperience in writing a history. I am more used to writing small blurbs about radio stations.  History on things isn't my strong suit, but I am learning.


 * As for the "blurb" history, I will take the current history onto my sandbox page and kinda break it down a bit. I am wanting to keep the longer history for those you want to read it, but needs lots of references, so that will be in sandbox until it is done.


 * Thanks for your help...and if you don't mind, I might ask your opinion once I get the "blurb version" done. Take Care and Have a Good Evening... NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • 21:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Virginia page
My edit was done to create a link to the page about Virginia Indians here on wikipedia and not to link to some outside source. The citation attached was simply to illustrate why the terminology Virginia Indian was used. As I have now noticed there is a link to the page about the Virginia Indian tribes but it is a redirect using the term "first settlers." I would prefer to change that to Virginia Indians, but seeing as how there is a link to that page it will suffice.Sarah1607 (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand what you are saying completely and I agree that switching between terminology can be confusing. I also think that if we changed the term in the Virginia article it would only be done in the sections that talk specifically about the Virginia tribes, but as you noted even that section mentions groups outside the Virginia tribes.  The main reason I wanted the term used, on top of what I said before, is because it is the term that the tribes in Virginia prefer to be used when talking collectively about them.  If there is a way we could incorporate the term without causing flow issues, etc in the article I think we should.  I will see if I can figure something out, and you can as well, and come back and get your thoughts on it.  Sound good to you?Sarah1607 (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I did some editing today, and changed the term used at the end of the Colony section to "Virginia Indians", per your suggestions. We had used "Native American" there if for no other reason than it let us link to the article on Native Americans in the United States.-- Patrick {o Ѻ ∞} 20:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw the edit after I wrote on here yesterday. I think the term is most appropriate there and the only other place I would maybe put in the term "Virginia Indians" would be in place of "first settlers." However, keeping that part as it is does not bother me too much.  Since there are other sections that could link to the Native American page on wikipedia I think things worked out well.  Thanks.Sarah1607 (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Recent edit to Virginia
Thanks for messaging me. What I added was:

These men, women and children were brought from west-central Africa, primarily from Angola and the Bight of Biafra. Because of this the Igbo ethnic group of what is now southern Nigeria remained the single largest African group in Virginia.

The source that I added as well as the one that was already there explains that the ethnic groups were measured by the amount of people that came from a particular reigon, in this instance its is the Bight of Biafra. I wasn't implying that they are still the largest group (that is, consciously) otherwise I would have added a present tense. Thanks. Ukabia (talk) 23:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that a time frame should be added to it. The ethnicity section does not talk only of contemporary issues, it talks about ethnicity including the historical impact certain groups have made in Virginia, e.g the Scoth-Irish immigrants. The article talks about slavery as a historical factor when looking at the ethnicity of Virginia, this is not a contemporary issue. What I added isn't derived solely from two books, but from Virginia itself. The Frontier Culture Museum of Virginia has erected an Igbo village to represent West Africa in the colonial museum, I don't think they want people to think that all African Americans in Virginia are from one ethnic group. If it's good enough for a museum should it not be good enough for Wikipedia? The sentence before addresses slavery and the section is about ethnicity. If there was a very large group of people who are members of one ethnicity it makes sense to note it when talking about ethnicity, especially as there are no ethnic groups mentioned for Africans. The sentence before is even wrong because the majority of Virginia's slaves came from Angola and the Bight of Biafra, which extends far beyond the Igbo areas and takes up more than two large modern day African countries, just that researchers have found most of these people to be Igbo. This is in the sources. I've changed it to:


 * These men, women and children were brought from west-central Africa, primarily from Angola and the Bight of Biafra. The Igbo ethnic group of what is now southern Nigeria were the single largest African group among slaves in Virginia.


 * Ukabia (talk) 01:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

recent changes to History of Virginia
Hi. Last year I took a great deal of care to research and explain the WV section. This is my specialty and I know quite a lot about it, and had detailed inline sources and refs. Almost all of that has been trashed by an editor I've encounted once before. That section not only is inaccurate but has a slight ranting quality to it. I do all I can to avoid any edit conflict, and I will just stay away from any Virginia editing. Is there any advice you can offer? It makes me sad to look at that section now.Dubyavee (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Environment of Virginia
Thanks for creating Environment of Virginia. An awesome article! --mboverload @ 22:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Virginia's page - Theatre IV
Hello,

For now, I will not add back the section about Theatre IV on the Virginia article because I don't think it is of that much importance that it is included. However, I feel that it is important that this be cleared up: Theatre IV is absolutely not a part-time resident of Virginia. Theatre IV was founded in Virgnia in 1975 and, since its founding, has presented a full season of children's shows in Richmond, its home city. The building it occupies is the oldest operating theatre in the state. As it is The Children's Theatre of VA, residents from all over the state subscribe to Theatre IV's 4-6 show season, presented each year in Richmond. These productions are all performed, produced, and directed by local residents. All of Theatre IV's administrative offices are located in Richmond, and each full-time staff member (many of whom work up to 80 hours a week) is a Richmond resident.

Theatre IV's Richmond staff ALSO operates the company's touring sector, which sends actors around the country for educational purposes. At each location to which it tours, it is recognized as "Virginia's Theatre IV." Theatre IV has created and produced several touring shows, including one that has served as Virginia's first and principle child sexual abuse prevention program since 1983. It was a play written by Theatre IV's Artistic Director, a Richmond resident, which has been seen by 1.36 million children in every school distract statewide. Since its creation, 14,000 students have disclosed their sexual victimization for the first time after seeing one of the performances. This is just one of Theatre IV's programs that both began and continues to thrive in Virginia, while still touching students across the nation.

However, none of these touring shows in anyway take away from Theatre IV's Broadway for Families season, which served 42,140 audience members this year, right here in Richmond. Excluding the touring shows, this is still greater than the Virginia Opera's annual attendance. Theatre IV also owns its own permanent building, and the Virginia Opera does not have its own space. I'm not in any way trying to pick on the VA Opera, but if they are included in this, Theatre IV should be too.

When Virginia residents want to take their children to the state's premiere children's theatre, they go to Theatre IV, which is located in Richmond, and has always been located in Richmond. To say that this is not a notable state theatre or that it is only a part-time resident in Virginia is simply incorrect.

Thank you for reading this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KikiJones6 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Intercollegiate sports funding
I did a search and found a few articles which skirted the subject and they have led me to believe that the relevant information on state appropriations for intercollegiate athletics might be found in the Department of Education's Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System, which can be accessed via this website. Unfortunately I don't have the time at present to sift through all the data. Arbogastlw (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Virginia Seismic Zone


A tag has been placed on Virginia Seismic Zone requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 15:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC) 15:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This wasn't done without great thought, but after looking at the edits from the page, I had to post it as a copyvio. Since this was made very early in your Wikipedia "career", I am pretty sure it will be excused and I recommend that it is.  I would recommend that you go back to the article and put work to it to make it a non-copyvio and source it with this link. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 16:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Poor man's talkback: see here. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 16:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note to say I have removed the template from the page, this is no longer considered a copyvio. Thank you for your hard work. :) - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:TFA nomination for Virginia
I noticed that you added this article to the pending list a few days back. There is an open spot on the requests page presently, so right now would be a good time to write up a blurb and nominate it. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 17:21, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but the dates which would give the request the most points are in May and June, so I think I need to hold off on requesting the article until the appropriate time before. Or were you suggesting I nominate this for the non-specific date spot? Also, I will need a judgment call from other editors on whether or not the featuring of Erie, Pennsylvania on February 4 will negate our ability to claim that its been 3 months since a similar article. Its a city, not a state, but that was enough for some users to oppose my request last year, when Grand Forks, North Dakota blocked my chances. It will make a difference as to when I can request it, since those 2 points would put it over the 5 required to make a request the full 20 days ahead of time.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 17:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ack! Sorry, I thought you had put March 14-15, not May.  My mistake. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 02:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, no worries then. But I will be requesting it eventually, so I hope we'll get your support then!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 03:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kelly Cherry
Hello! Your submission of Kelly Cherry at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rosiestep (talk) 03:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congrats on Virginia page, a truly important article!

Question
I am curious as to why the Powers That Be do not lock a page selected for FA several days before publication. The Powers can unlock and change if absolutely required.

I only ask because we caught what we thought was a horrible error about Augustus on the day it hit the front page many years ago. His ascension dates were AD, rather than BC. We were mortified and never did find out how they got there. In my defense, I was only a minor contributor, and did NOT contribute to the dates! :) Probably nobody noticed, which is almost as bad! :(

Locking would help a lot. Gatekeepers could ignore most requests for changes. Who cares about contractions or commas at that point! Student7 (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, its funny that Wikipedia doesn't lock the TFAs. In their defense, I would say that there are a greater number of editors looking out for vandalism to them, and that for many, their first edits to Wikipedia come on a TFA, and locking the page might stop would be editors right there. Thinking about it, I should have been less prompt with Kgenereux‎'s edits to Virginia, and could have supported the new user more. Its tough though when its something you've been over before.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 17:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * A generous thought. My thought would be "Why don't you muck with some other article, or, better yet, some other encyclopedia?" Clearly, I need a new attitude!  :)   Student7 (talk) 21:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hah, yes, that does come to mind too! ;) -- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 14:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Having said that, I have inadvertently thrown in "stuff" at the last minute in some article having no clue that the article was up for GA/FA. And causing my fellow editors no end of short term grief! My face is red when this happens. I will try to "keep up", a bit hard for articles that I am newly monitoring though. Student7 (talk) 19:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Virginia
Hey Patrick,

I've been having this "commonwealth" debate with OhNoitsJamie all day. Here is his final stance:

"No one is saying that Virginia is not a state (same as Kentucky, Pennsylvania, etc). The fact is that it's officially known as "The Commonwealth of Virginia." Period. Commonwealth has different meanings; that's why we have a separate article for "Commonwealth" in the context of US states, which makes it clear that there is very little if any functional difference between a US State and a US Commonwealth. Further posts on my talk page on this topic will be removed." OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I gave OhNoitsJamie legitimate links to the US constitution and the Virginia.gov website, but he did not acknowledge them.

The reality is, no one outside of Virginia calls it "The Commonwealth of Virginia," and it is NOT officially known by that name outside of the circle of Virginia. I can call myself a professional athlete, but that is not the reality, and no one outside of me is going to officially recognize me as a professional athlete.

The edits I made were only replacing the word "commonwealth" with the word "state." I concede that Virginia is known as The Commonwealth of Virginia as a nickname, but to continually use "commonwealth" as a crutch is misleading, misinforming, and simply difficult read; it sounds very presumptuous. 208.94.24.26 (talk) 21:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Virginia Seismic Zone
As you created and have contributed to the article Talk:Virginia Seismic Zone. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 23:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Excess index links on U.S. states
Buaidh, do we really need that many links to outlines at the bottom of each state's article. I'm looking at these 5 level indents you've added to every U.S territory. It looks a lot like something we should avoid to me. The outlines for each state links to those indexes anyways. Do we really need links to Outline of history or Outline of geography? Wouldn't just one link, to the state's index, be plenty? Was there some decision about this on the outlines project?-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 03:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The outline links in the See also section of the U.S. states are not all required, but they do show the hierarchy of information. They also help to optically balance the Wikipedia portal and book linkboxes on the right-hand side.  I'm certainly open to other suggestions.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the dual inclusion of Danville and Lynchburg as capitals. I agree.
I noticed that you restored text about Danville being the Confederate Capital in early April 1865. I had replaced Danville with Lynchburg, because I assumed on a page about Virginia, that "capital" without context would mean the capital of Virginia. But I am a foreigner (from the UK), so I am happy to defer to you "locals" keeping a clarified Danville, along with my note that Lynchburg was the State capital. I am especially a foreigner in some parts of Virginia, but last week, I was on my annual holidays, and lucky enough to visit both Danville and Lynchburg. It was in the Lynchburg Museum that I learned of Lynchburg's role. Those two city roles were not quite simultaneous, by the way. In Danville's case, there was the new residence of Jefferson Davis, and Confederate Government to consider. I believe that even the Virgina Governor showed up in Danville and not Lynchburg.

Now I am wondering whether to embark on a promised crusade. In Virginia, a "Courthouse" (one word) is always a "house" (building) used as a "court", but "Court House" (two words) is always a settlement (such as a village, town or city). I learned this from an "Old Park Ranger" at "Old Appomattox Court House" (again just last week), and I promised to further his mission on the matter. Some Wikipedia articles are incorrect or inconsistent about this distinction. For example, the article Amelia Courthouse (sic) is about the PLACE, which is actually called "Amelia Court House", but Wikipedia mixes the usage. The local Amelia County government web site, and Federal usage (Census Designated Place) both agree with my Park Ranger.

Please remove this when you're done. Many thanks for your Wiki-ness, ChrisJBenson (talk) 06:51, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I actually didn't know about Lynchburg being where Virigina legislators fled to, and I assumed they went with the Confederates, but if you're cool with it I think we have room to note both. Certainly the changing capital (from Jamestown to Williamsburg to Richmond) is noted in each of the previous History subsections.  About the Court Houses, I would say go for it, with the caveat that you should try to nail down a more reliable source, preferably in print, than an old park ranger. Happy editing!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 14:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Peer review request
At Virginia Conventions, Mojohand and TheVirginiaHistorian are trying to advance the article to GA status. Any peer review, overall critique or contribution would be welcome. Thanks in advance. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Federal charts
Pls see this conversation.--Moxy (talk) 01:02, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Map of West Virginia
Hi Patrickneil. I made a map of West Virginia too. You may be interested. Thanks--Ikonact (talk) 21:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Very cool! Let me find a place for that! The other state I've been working on is New York (state), where I think we'd love to replace the old File:New York Relief 1-EDIT.jpg file with a proper SVG map.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 14:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I put the map in Environment of West Virginia. I will try to make a map of New York in the following days. --Ikonact (talk) 16:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I made a first attempt to create a map of New York. If OK I will clean up a bit and put river names and other names.--Ikonact (talk) 22:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * This still impresses me, yes, that looks really good. I think the "Bu" in Buffalo is getting shaded gray for being just outside the state, maybe it can be fixed or repositioned right to be inside the shading. Same with Yonkers and some of the cities around NYC. I guess this happened on other maps, I just notice Buffalo because its bigger.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 01:22, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Corrected. River and lakes names added. For me the map is ready. --Ikonact (talk) 20:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Already added to the state's article, keep up the great work!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 02:28, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Map of NY
Hi Patrickneil, I proposed the map of NY as candidate for featured picture on Commons. You may be interested by the discussion there. It is useful for improving the map. Regards --Ikonact (talk) 09:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Strong support!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 14:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

All seriousness aside
Thank you. (ce) 8 r'
 * Is that a joke? I don't get it. Edit summaries are a fundamental part of Wikipedia. Why don't you use them?-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 19:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I [seriously] appreciate your advice; however, we needn't stop and justify every keystroke. (Or explain jokes. Daniel-sahn must find balance.) Meanwhile, watch this. --Brogo13 (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Redskins Park
Regarding this change, just dropping by to say thanks for cleaning that up. It didn't really need to be mentioned. I left it there because as an editor's strategy, I am not wholesale removing the Redskins Park name from every page. I think editors may remove it where they see fit, but it will help if the old name is still there to fix, when the new name is revealed and it makes sense to mention it. If that makes sense. --DB1729 (talk) 18:39, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Agreed, its a gray area, but if the name isn't "Redskins Park" right now, then it seems wrong to call it that. "Their headquarters" is good for now!-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 19:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)