User talk:Paul2520/Archive06

Recent Edits
Hey! Thanks so much for the info regarding my change to Mongodb. It looks like the edit you made to alphabetize also dropped the change I made. Was this intentional? Is there any reason to drop the change I made and/or a way I can improve the change so that you would not consider removing it in the future?

Best, --Info Juice (talk) 14:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * what was removed? Looks like everything is still there to me. = paul2520 (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking back, it seems everything is there! I'm going to have to assume my browser was serving a cached version of the page. Thanks for responding to me here! --Info Juice (talk) 15:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Abel Azcona
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Desktop improvements prototype
, Paul2520!

Thanks for taking the time to participate in the user feedback round for our desktop improvements prototype. This feedback is super valuable to us and is currently being used to determine our next steps. We have published a report gathering the main takeaways from the feedback and highlighting the changes we’ll make based on this feedback. Please take a look and give us your thoughts on the talk page of the report. To learn more about the project overall and the other features we’re planning on building in the future, check out the main project page.

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 22:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Raymond Jerold Bowman
I looked at Ancestry.com that has his Draft Registration Card. I don't often edit stuff on Wikipedia but so I don't know how messaging really works. Is there a way I can email you a picture of the card? Thanks, Hudson — Preceding unsigned comment added by HuLou (talk • contribs) 23:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! Sure, you could email me a photo... but is there a link to the Ancestry page? = paul2520 (talk) 00:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the email, ! See the edit I did here adding the reference to the page.
 * Note the "registration required" template, since it appears to me this link is viewable with simply signing-up for an Ancestry.com account. I did save a full-page screenshot of the page for my own records, too :-) = paul2520 (talk) 14:43, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kindred Spirits (sculpture)
Hi Paul, re Kindred Spirits, the citation is the link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_(United_States_coin) in the readable text of my edit. That's where the weight figure comes from (seventeen times a $10 U.S. Gold coin's content in 1847). During that era, few workers earned an entire $1 in a long day. That is, $170 was roughly the annual poverty threshold for the time. At today's number of dollars per ounce of gold, that same handful of gold sells for about $14,000, which is roughly the annual poverty threshold in today's U.S. economy. The other two approaches to price translation in the article come from series of inflation percentages. It's reasonable that there would be a wide range of estimates after multiplying a hundred seventy annual fractions. Yet for all the modern advances in mining output, and consumption in electronic devices, not to mention competition such as Bitcoin, the physical weight of an amount of gold remains surprisingly consistent as a way to equate the cost of living in one century to that of another. In modern terms, imagine Syrians in refugee camps sending $14,000 to NYC's homeless. The Chahta in 1847 were giving from their own food bowls, to fellow displaced people they would never meet. A most noble choice.
 * Thanks for the message. It is indeed a fascinating story, article, and sculpture.
 * Note that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and that Wikipedia articles should not be used as references within other articles.
 * Please also review Talk page guidelines. I moved your comments from within an unrelated section above. = paul2520 (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #13
Welcome to the thirteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Join the conversation: structured tasks
We are looking for community input on a new project to make it easy for newcomers to make real article edits.

In our previous newsletter, we talked about the productive edits coming from the newcomer tasks feature. Those good results have continued: about 900 newcomers made over 5,000 suggested edits so far. We've learned that newcomers are interested in receiving suggested edits.

Now, we are thinking about how to supply them a feed of easy edits that will help more of them be successful quickly. We have a new idea called "structured tasks". This would aim to break down edits into steps that are easy for newcomers and easy on mobile devices.

In the past, certain kinds of editing tasks have been structured. For instance, adding categories through HotCat. Now, we are thinking about how to structure the editing of articles. The goal is to allow newcomers can make large content additions, especially from their mobile devices.

Please visit the project page and respond to the discussion questions listed on the talk page. You are welcome to show this project to others in your community. You can help by translating the materials to your language so that more voices can join in. We will be having this conversation until June 18.

Expanding to more wikis
We have expanded to six new wikis, and are looking for more interested communities.

In the last two months, we deployed Growth features to six new wikis: Ukrainian, Serbian, Hungarian, Armenian, and Basque Wikipedias, and French Wiktionary. Newcomers from these wikis have already contributed over 600 edits through Growth features.

We want to expand to more wikis in the coming months, and we are looking for interested communities. French Wikipedia already agreed and will be the next one to join the experiment. We will contact several other wikis in the coming weeks to offer them to participate.

Do you think the Growth Team features would be a good addition to your wiki? Please see this translatable summary of Growth features. You can share with your communities and start a discussion. Then, please contact us to begin the process!

Other updates


Work continues on improving newcomer tasks and the homepage.


 * In March, we deployed an upgrade to the topic matching in newcomer tasks. The current version offers 39 different topics using new ORES models.
 * In April, we completed an A/B test of two homepage configurations. We learned that more newcomers will attempt suggested edits if the module is made more prominent. We are implementing those learnings in our next test.  See the full results here.
 * We are currently working on guidance for newcomer tasks. It will use the help panel to guide newcomers through completing easy edits.
 * Our next step is to create new configurations of the homepage. The goal is to encourage more newcomers to begin doing suggested edits.

As usual, we are still welcoming your feedback and questions about our features. Please contact us on the project talk page!

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New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020
Hello ,

NPP Sorting can be a great way to find pages needing new page patrolling that match your strengths and interests. Using ORES, it divides articles into topics such as Literature or Chemistry and on Geography. Take a look and see if you can find time to patrol a couple pages a day. With over 10,000 pages in the queue, the highest it's been since ACPERM, your help could really make a difference. In late February, Google added 5 new languages to Google Translate: Kinyarwanda, Odia (Oriya), Tatar, Turkmen and Uyghur. This expands our ability to find and evaluate sources in those languages.
 * Your help can make a difference
 * Google Adds New Languages to Google Translate
 * Discussions and Resources
 * A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
 * Also at the Village Pump is a discussion about limiting participation at Articles for Deletion discussion.
 * A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
 * Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 10271 Low – 4991 High – 10271

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Hetty Spiers
Thanks for your kind offer to do the DYK. Please go ahead if you are happy to. Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 06:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter
The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

Between them, contestants managed 14 featured articles, 9 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 152 good articles, 136 DYK entries, 55 ITN entries, 65 featured article candidate reviews and 221 good article reviews. Additionally, 🇩🇰 MPJ-DK added 3 items to featured topics and 44 to good topics. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 710 good article reviews, in comparison to 387 good articles submitted for review and promoted. These large numbers are probably linked to a GAN backlog drive in April and May, and the changed patterns of editing during the COVID-19 pandemic. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Junauda Petrus
Hello! Your submission of Junauda Petrus at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I promoted your hook, but it would be nice to add more information about what a pleasure activist is to the article, because readers are sure to want to know more. Here is an interview that Petrus did which you might want to draw material from. Do you also want to add information about her marriage? Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That's great. I also added a new ref. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm lovin' the real-time collaboration! Almost had an edit conflict there. = paul2520 (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Junauda Petrus
—valereee (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Hetty Spiers
—valereee (talk) 00:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Real Life (novel)
It's a good book; I recommend it. The author was thrilled to be on the front page. I quote: "dkhsalkdhsalkdhalkd sOMG"--I think that is how young people talk? Drmies (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing!! Yeah, the DYK hooked me, and I have added it to my ever-growing reading queue.
 * I've been working on reading more Black authors lately. = paul2520 💬 14:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Same here, actually. I have a huge stack on my nightstand, including Ibram Kendi and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. Homegoing was fantastic. Haha, when my ten-year old daughter read the first chapter and started blushing at the breakfast table I realized there was some (gay) lovemaking in the book. Oh, and I read The Water Dancer last month, which was a good read too--though Coates isn't yet a great novelist. But Brandon, he is just a wonderful human being and I love him, and I am SO proud of him. Take care, and feel free to drop me a line if you have any recommendations. I'm an old guy and the only way I keep in touch with reality is by people telling me things. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Seeking assistance
I don't know what kind of things I should edit because many of them is to difficult. What should I do?Eolhcmak (talk) 01:11, 24 July 2020 (UTC)Eolhcmak
 * Hi ! I recommend checking out The Wikipedia Adventure for a fun way to learn and to get some tips about editing.
 * After that, it's up to you! What topic(s) or subject(s) interest you?
 * There are all kinds of ways to contribute, from fixing small spelling/grammar mistakes to starting new articles about subjects that don't yet have them. = paul2520 💬 01:15, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank youEolhcmak (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2020 (UTC)Eolhcmak
 * You are welcome,, and feel free to ask me more questions at any time.
 * I also recommend checking out WikiProjects. There may be one or more of interest. = paul2520 💬 01:30, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Freestyle Love Supreme
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit glossary
Dear Paul, When editing a dead link, replaced with copy / wayback link, how does one explain such an edit, glossary?CeiyLlanno (talk) 20:14, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I usually write something like "added archive URL for a dead link" as my edit summary. Here are two examples of past edits I've done: and.
 * Does that help? = paul2520 💬 20:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much. very helpful.CeiyLlanno (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! Feel free to reach out if you have other questions :-) = paul2520 💬 20:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

September Women in Red edithons
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WikiCup 2020 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Free Hong Kong flag.svg Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
 * 🇮🇩HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski with 1201 points mainly gained from 2 featured articles and 10 good articles.

Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Suki Seokyeong Kang
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter 14
Welcome to the fourteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Success with guidance
We deployed the "Guidance" feature on June 15.

This feature uses the help panel to explain what to do after selecting a suggested edit. For instance, if a newcomer selects a copyedit task, they are guided on what sorts of errors to look for. They can see examples of how to rewrite the text. You can try this feature on test.wikipedia.org. First enable the homepage and the help panel in your preferences there.

Since we launched "Guidance", the data we collected show good results (see image). Now, we see more users completing suggested edits than before Guidance was deployed.

Structured tasks
Structured tasks is a project that aims to break down editing workflows into a series of steps. We hope newcomers can accomplish these tasks easily.

In the previous newsletter, we asked for feedback from community members on the idea. We had a good discussion in six languages with 35 community members (summary here). We have now posted new design mockups. We hope community members can check the mockups out and react to them (in any language). They are posted along with some of the main questions we are thinking about as we continue to refine our plans.

Other technical updates



 * We are currently working on Variants C and D (adjacent image) of the homepage. The goal is to increase the number of newcomers who start the newcomer tasks workflow. This is the team's main project at the moment.
 * We've made it easier to hide the help panel when not needed.
 * The welcome survey has a new question for people who created their account: language skills. The goal is to find out how many newcomers know multiple languages, so that we can learn whether it is a good idea to integrate Content Translation as a newcomer task. To make room for this question, we removed one that is not being used.

Community outreach

 * We continue to engage with more communities. We recently deployed the Growth features to Persian, Hebrew, and Russian Wikipedias. Learn more about getting the features.
 * If your community is having a remote event, and you are interested in hearing from the Growth team, please contact us! We have already participated to two community events online:
 * The Polish Wikiconference (recording on Google Drive)
 * The Celtic Knot 2020 (video available on Youtube).

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October editathons from Women in Red
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Queenie Ashton article
Hello, thank you for the information regarding Queenie Ashton, by adding note, could you please add note for Lorrae Desmond at top of article i cannot incite details, thank you reagard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.152.99 (talk) 08:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. But note I didn't add any notes, just the notelist. See Category:Pages with missing references list, which is a category I monitor for pages that are missing notes and/or references lists. = paul2520 💬 15:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

November edith-a-thons from Women in Red
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Growth team updates #15
Welcome to the fifteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Variants C and D deployed
Variants C and D are two new arrangements of the newcomer homepage. We hope they will increase the number of users using suggested edits. They both make suggested edits the clear place where newcomers should get started on the page. They have some differences in their workflows, because we want to test which design is better. We deployed these variants on October 19; half of newcomers get each variant. After about 5 weeks, we will analyze the data from the tests. The goal is to determine which variant is helping more newcomers to make more suggested edits. We will identify the better variant and then use it with all newcomers.

Structured tasks: add a link
As we discussed in previous newsletters, the team is working on our first "structured task": the "add a link" task. After community discussion on design ideas, we ran user tests on the mobile designs. We decided on the design concept we want to use moving forward: Concept A. We're now engineering the backend for this feature. Next, we will be running user tests for desktop designs.

Learn more about the findings.

Community news

 * We recently deployed the Growth features to Polish, Portuguese, Swedish and Turkish Wikipedias. 18 wikis now have Growth features. Learn more about getting the features.
 * Have you recently checked if all interface messages are translated for your language?

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WikiCup 2020 November newsletter
The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is, the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by. In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were, , and. The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.


 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
 * wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2021 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Skee, Sweden
I live at skee and I know there is aroun 1000 ppl and stuff Abcbbc12345 (talk) 14:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * : Do you have a reliable source to back that up? Please read this: No original research. = paul2520 💬 14:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

December with Women in Red
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New Page Patrol December Newsletter
Hello ,



It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
 * Year in review

has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.
 * Reviewer of the Year

As a special recognition and thank you has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.
 * NPP Technical Achievement Award

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 2262 Low – 2232 High – 10271

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A New Year With Women in Red!
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