User talk:Paul730/Archive 10

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When you get back online, could you make this report for me at Administrator intervention against vandalism?"* - IP continues to disrupt the Buffy Summers page, after being asked to stop. IP is adding categories that are redundant to what is already listed on the page, after being asked to stop (and having an explaination provided as to why they are redundant) the IP continued to revert them back in. The IP refuses to engage in discussion, after having one started on their talk page, as well as being asked to start on on the article talk page.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)"For some reason this stupid internet connection on my g/f's laptop is not letting me save the report to the page.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just bought a 37" HDTV, and an HD-DVD player...what did I buy to go along with it: Sarah Conner Chronicles and Buffy season 1 & 2.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I put it on my Best Buy credit card so I have 18 months to pay it all off with no interest. I just got my student loans in, so I have some money now. I was tempted to buy all of the seasons, but I refrained myself. :D. I already have SCC in the 5 disc DVD player (that's right, I can watch most shows without having to even get up to change the disc). I'm going to watch some while I eat a late dinner, so I'll let you know what I think of it. As for Buffy, it's been years since I've seen any Buffy episode, let alone something from the first season. First seasons always seem to be that way. Smallville was the same way. I think that's because there is this fear of being cancelled, so you don't try and work too hard for something that might end soon anyway. Then you get a second season and you're like, "Hell, we need to work hard so we can keep this going".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You have a 360? Cool. Do you have an Xbox Live account? This is true with the cliffhangers, but I'm referring to those "freak of the week" type episodes that seemed to plague a lot of fantasy driven shows (I use past tense because it appears that shows nowaday have gotten it in their head that serialization is better from the start). I literally just started SCC and all I have to say is: "One bag, and the guns. I'll make pancakes." LMAO.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I got through the first two episodes. Not bad. It certainly isn't grabbing my attention and making me wait in anticipation for the next episode...but it's entertaining.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with all the actors right now. I'm not overly impressed with anyone really. I have a theory that Cameron is a cyborg created by the resistance.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Different things. The way she acts; the different "skills" she has; the fact that the one Terminator could not identify her model number as if maybe Skynet had not built her. Subtle things. Who knows though. Hopefully there will be some explaination. Also, if you notice that all the previous Terminators that protected John (or the Claire Danes character) took orders from the younger counterparts (simple programming); yet, Cameron makes the comment that this John isn't the same "John" in the future (I assume personality wise), and thus she does not take orders from him. That seems like a deeper level of programming that a machine would attribute.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I had(have) a theory that she was once human as well. My theory for that went down the path that, given her "connection" to John (they seem to have a bit of chemistry..character-wise), that maybe she was his daughter. Possibly, she got severly injured and they replaced a good portion of her with robotic parts, using some technology they possibly stole from Skynet. It would also lend to the theory of "John not being 'John', yet". Also, I was wondering how John got the EMO hairstyle, when he only just came to 2007? lol. Ahead of his time, maybe?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's only incestual if he knew about it, plus (though I'm only in episode 4 or 5) he doesn't appear to be attracted to her anymore. If she was his daughter, it isn't his fault that she fails to tell him this and the fact that she is pretty creates and attraction for him. I'll give a more in-depth theory when I finish the season.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It was good. A few problems: EMTs are not surgeons. EMTs also do not drive alone. How did Cromartie's endoskeleton make it through the time jump, when every other inorganic material was destroyed? I did like how they pulled a lot of minor characters from the previous films and made them part of this series. What the hell is up with the non-talking Latina girl? When I first saw her, she gave me the "I'm really another Terminator in disguise" vibe, and the more she didn't talk, the more that vibe got stronger. Also, what's up with the girl from school on lockdown with her dad? What kind of troubled teen is she? I don't care for the second Cromartie. His voice is annoying, and his doesn't really have a physically intimidating appearance. I want my villainous Terminators to be bigger, and more menacing - at least have a scary voice. It did make me really wonder what is going on with Cameron. I'm sticking to my guns that she isn't simply another Skynet product. I'm wondering what is up with Derek though. He's hiding a lot more as well, and it makes me curious how connected him and Cameron actually are. He kept calling her a liar, so there was obviously something that happened that they haven't shown us yet. I also don't see a lot of the problems I read about regarding John. He's actually more gong-ho than I expected him to be, but at the same time he's still reserved and not quite the leader he will one day become. I also wonder what Agent Ellison's agenda is. He believes, but I don't know if he is a "believer" (if you know what I mean. i.e. a follower or a traitor). Lastly, I would really like some live-action cyborg stuff. Is it too much to ask for them to have full size replicas of the Terminators for some shots...does it have to all be CG.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't surprised, but I wasn't expecting it. Though, given the age of the kids in the flashback scenes, that would make Kyle like only 24 when he comes back...and that seems a little younger than I remember Michael being in the original. It's the voice of Cromartie that annoys me...that guy just has an annoying voice. I could forgive the look, if the voice wasn't just so stupid. Also, what was up with him not killing Ellison? Terminators kill all in their way - not very menacing when you intentionally let people live. Hopefully they'll explain that in season two (which might fuel the theory that he is a traitor and the Terminator couldn't kill him for fear that he would alter the timeline himself). I liked the scene in the park, and picked up on who the kids were before "Reese" was shown on the older one's shirt. I liked the fact that Derek knew that John was Kyle's son, but didn't say anything. But, that also just leads into more suspicion about Derek, and what all that he really knows (and who he really is). It seems like they use CG for things the shouldn't. I mean, Smallville is on a smaller network, but even they'll drive a car into the water (they did that scene with Cameron driving the truck of the ledge in CG).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't see in the promos where she was evil, but even if she is I bet it'll be like Clark on red K at the beginning of season three (for like 1 or 2 episodes). It certainly looks interesting, I just hope it finds an audience, because they only ordered 13 episodes so far (with option for 9 more), which means they aren't so sure about it.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's my point. Fox likes to put decent/good shows in bad time slots and then leave them out to dry. They got lucky with House.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Kendra
Would it be overly presumptuous in your opinion, to place Kendra in the ?~ZytheTalk to me! 23:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolute star! It could probably go in the minor characters article, and Kennedy should as well.~ZytheTalk to me! 15:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Your thoughts: The Simone sub-plot and the Faith/Giles one might intersect? Seems like that's what's being seeded, the way Joss describes (in some interview I don't have a link to) Faith "playing into [the overall story] later on".~ZytheTalk to me! 00:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I did. I haven't seen the previews yet, but I'll look for them now. I suppose it's ok in the format we're in now - anything but leprechauns, I believe was something the writers promised (through Buffy and Giles' exchange). Charmediness could be a problem, but at least in the context of a comic it's not that bad. Charmed didn't do it all that much until Season Five, after killing off the series' biggest bad and having little else to draw upon until introducing Piper's sons to juice it up. Man, I watched a Charmed documentary on Youtube the other day, and literally laughed out loud when the executive producer said "We have this rule where no matter how silly an idea may seem, we never tell each other 'no' or 'never'." I couldn't help put feel that that explains everything.~ZytheTalk to me! 01:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing's wrong with the tree demons (aren't all monsters 'demons' by default?), they're only a tad wackier then any of the ornate or gothic demons like Skip.~ZytheTalk to me! 01:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the joked-about idea of Harmony becoming a vampire celebrity in Season Eight. What do you think of the Buffy MMOG news?~ZytheTalk to me! 01:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine getting REALLY into it, Buffy's all about the story moreso than the random fights or levelling up for that matter.~ZytheTalk to me! 12:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Something like that. They did go on about how "Chosen" set up the perfect MMOG. You know, play as Slayer Jane Average. Probably rank up from Potential to newb to Slayer Legend or something. Chaos Bleeds wasn't all bad. I couldn't place it anywhere in continuity (post-The Body, pre-Buffy vs Dracula HOW?) but I liked how they tried re-using The First. Until Season Seven did the same. But Ethan! And cool too, Cassandra Rayne.~ZytheTalk to me! 13:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly I've been at work today. Would be out on the town now, but I think it might rain. Hopefully I'll find the energy to venture out tomorrow.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 20:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I braved the rain, but it was worth it. Cordy! Cordycordycordycordy! :D ~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 17:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I hope Gunther doesn't get turned. That would be ... something. I want to know what exactly Buffy does that Willow shows Fray to convince her Buffy needed taking out. Why is Dark Willow so weak - because she pulled Buffy through time? Saga Vasuki's contact must be Willow herself, whom she trusted. Also, do you have to be in the throws of an orgasm to visit Vasuki? Euch. I felt Mooney drew Cordy, Angel and Wes brilliantly but Connor and Gwen less so. Did you interpret that as Shanshu Angelus? I guess if Angel were once again sired, he would lose his soul again, right? Where's a mohra demon when you need one?~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 17:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Spike could get Shanshu too, sorta :P.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 18:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Vampire with a soul + mohra blood = human, right? Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Spike getting Shanshu either, but it's a way to please the inevitably angry Spike fans. For a second, I thought the dragon might BE Cordelia, which I suppose is the whole point of it being revealed just before you turn the page, to get the reader asking 'what the fuck'. But, as I opened the book, it fell open on a Cordy page and I instantly flipped to the beginning. I did grin madly when I saw her: she was written very in character (in Carpenter's 'voice') and the likeness was great. I loved the dig at Wesley's new wardrobe.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 18:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * An embarrassed dodge or a this-is-on-purpose dodge? Well, I think Illyria's going to fight Gwen alongside the dragon, then something's going to happen to bring out Illyria's true form? Hopefully it won't turn out that Fred was a fakeout, and Illyria's actually a big momma evil thing.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 18:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Who are the characters in place of Nina when Illyria is time-skipping?~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 19:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, never got into it. Dexter season 3 on the other hand...~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 21:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

TV
Ok, Terminator season two has had a fantastic start (since 2x01 follows the format of the movies perfectly, of course). Shirley Manson's acting is weaker than hoped, but yay for a Scottish accent in American TV and for her liquidness. The show True Blood is also pretty damn good. Also, should I invest in Spike vs. Dracula? Looks fun, and is by Peter David.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 16:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, she's a T-1000.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 22:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what she is. Well, they haven't said specifically - maybe she's T-1001 or T-999, but I'd venture they'll keep with the standard numbering.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 23:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * She has like, two scenes. So no, it won't spoil much of anything. But yes, season two is a marked improvement: the premiere was fantastic! Plus, new Garbage song in the opening scene! :D ~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 23:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Indeed he is, he's a regular now!~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 23:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Charlie's in it, but I hate him so much as a character! I hope he gets killed off in a man-in-refrigerator character-motivating way. I mean, he sucks as a love interest for Sarah or as a love rival for Derek. So what's the point?~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 00:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They can't, but I think it's been encoded that they probably will. Shower scenes! Sexy shower scenes. Hell, Brian Austin Green is just plain sexy. Shame we won't see any of him in 90210. Which I love.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 00:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it is very present tense and very, very wonderfully Sunnydale High-tastic.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 00:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No I do not. Come on, it's pure 90s cheese! Far better than Gossip Girl or The OC.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 00:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Between the theme tune (a classic, re-modelled) and the returning cast (Shannen Doherty! Jennie Garth!) it throws me right back into the 90s. It always had a great tune, way better than Sweet Valley High's (could there be two different girls who look the same at Sweet Valley, Sweet Valley High?). Haha. I'm so 90s it hurts.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 00:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I just came here to tell you about Harmony. Haha.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 22:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Saw it on my Whedonesque thing on my homepage. Clicked it expecting either her or Oz. Whaddyouknow. She would have nothing to do in Angel (although, she'd be far more useful than Nina). I couldn't help but feel she was underused in Angel season 5; they brought her in as a source of comedy like Cordy, but Spike seemed to replace Cordy's void yet again. She was also somewhat inconsistent in that season: essentially good-meaning at times, genuine grief over Fred, and then tacked-on betrayal at the end.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 22:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Where'd you see it? Alientraveller (talk) 22:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess I'll have to wait for it to air on Virgin 1. I guess the wait will make me savour it more. Alientraveller (talk) 07:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Now, I choose to believe Season Eight is contemporaneous, but After the Fall is 2004/05/demontime. Do you have an opinion of/care when it's set?~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 00:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Read this interview, yet? I love Seth Green, he's such a geek. Also, do you think your Buffy and Faith articles are ready for FA nomination? They look it to me!~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 21:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Spike reviews on Whedonesque were mostly positive too. I'll get it tomorrow. Is TOYL p4 out, too? Hmm, much wantiness. I'm wondering if the Satsu/Kennedy thing won't actually have their characters interact in the dual-narrative Superman/Batman style the other issues are gonna have, but rather show their very-different-people-very-different-reactions to some big thing? Either that, or (and this will disappoint me immensely) Kennedy's gonna dump Willow (but honestly, who can blame her!) and go for Buffy's ex ;). Oh, Harmony, how I've missed ye. I hope we get some acknowledgement of Buffy's opinion on W&H when she turns up.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 22:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Your Buffy/Faith articles are far closer to FA than Jack, I think.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 22:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Fighting Categorycruft in Buffy articles
Thanks for all your help. Having two editors working on this makes it much less frustrating. Jclemens (talk) 22:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Buffy
Ok, I can't remember if you made this criticism or not, but I don't want to hear anything else about Chloe's ability to hack anything on her computer. I'm only into the 4th episode of season one, and Willow has hacked her way into just about every local and state agency there is. lol.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:28, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and the fact that a club is going to let 15 year olds in and let them drink isn't that far fetched (yes, I recognized many mixed drinks in those hands of theirs). I recognized Amy immediately from an episode in the later seasons (when Willow first starts getting into magic). It's alright so far. I spend most of the episodes going, "where's Angel?". lol. I've always liked his character (though, early episodes didn't favor David Boreanez's acting ability too well...really cheesy dialogue). Also, I don't remember Darla being such a ditz of a vampire before. Oh yeah, do they actually call themselves the "Scooby Gang".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You're late, I passed "Angel". I only have like 2 episodes left in the first season. Their sodas look awfully mixed. I don't recall someone putting a drink umbrella, or a mixing straw in a coke. I could tell they retconned Darla's personality, because the one from Buffy doesn't mesh well with the one from Angel. One seems more devoted lacky, while the other takes charge. I'll tell you this, at first I felt bad for Xander (always being shunned by Buffy), but frankly, it didn't take long for me to dislike his incesant jealousy. It gets quite annoying. Yes, we get it, you like Buffy, she doesn't like you. You two have no chemistry, so let it go. I could understand if there was chemistry between the actors, like between Kreuk and Welling, but there isn't. Hell, I wasn't turned off by Chloe's constant devolving whenever the subject of Clark came up (but that could be Allison Mack's acting ability in making the character really sympathetic, of Smallvilles writers not using it as such a tool). I relish the time when Xander starts dating Cordelia (as sad as that is, because she's such a bitch in Buffy). I don't recall such annoyance from him in later seasons, but I haven't watched the show in forever so I could be wrong - he could be annoying then too. (Oh, just to point out...Willow's unrequited love isn't as annoying as his, either...he just takes it to an annoying level apparently).   BIGNOLE '    (Contact me)  04:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Anti-drinking? Didn't Xander down a whole martini in one gulp with his She-mantis? Yeah, I remember when Anya for some reason degenerated into an airhead. That's one thing I hate, when character personalities alter (whether for one episode or the show). There are times when Clark does very Supermanly things, but later reverts back to being a "I don't want a destiny" boy. There was an episode in season seven where he was all like "the war is on with Lex", but then was all afraid to confront him later about something (something along those lines, I can't remember exactly...though, I'll get a refresher on Sept. 9). It annoyed me.


 * I liked Xander in "The Pack" (that's the Hyena episode right?...I don't have Buffy titles down like I do Smallville - I hate the way the Buffy DVD menue is set up, btw). I enjoy his antics, and I don't find him annoying, it's just whenever he goes through his bouts of jealousy. That's what I mean, they have no romantic chemistry (hence the comparison to Kreuk and Welling, and why for the most part, a lot of people can handle the 7 seasons of on-again off-again crap the writers put them through). I feel bad for Xander, until he opens his mouth about said situation. lol. I didn't say I didn't like Cordelia, I just said she's a bitch early on. I don't know if I couldn't stop myself from kicking her ass if I was the slayer and she talked that way to me.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. Blatant continuity error. In the episode with the "Love me" demon (can't remember what it was called), Moloch checked Buffy's school record and it showed her birth year as 1980. A couple episodes later, in "Nightmares", her tombstone says 1981. Tsk Tsk.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * She seemed rather intelligent when you first meet her. Then, when she falls for Xander and becomes a regular in the "Scooby Gang", she seems to become very airheadish in her responses. This probably comes from her ignorance of things, but the way it's acted it's as if she is an airhead (truly being a "new Cordelia").


 * I hate the DVD menu because they don't have a "Play all" feature (I mean seriously?). Plus, I had to look at the back of the box to figure out what order to play the episodes, because it didn't automatically go to the next episode when you finished one. (Add: You're right, I already hate the season 2 menu..lol)


 * I think they realized that they made her 17, and were like, "wait, she's a sophomore...she can't be 17...we should fix this". Another one is in the finale when she rips off the necklace Angel gave her, only when she throws it on the floor the two ends are still perfect. Last time I checked, when you yank a necklace off, it doesn't stay together. I always hate that (that's not just a Buffy problem), you see that in movies and TV shows. Doesn't anyone stop to say, "hey, I'd put on your necklace again, but I have to go buy a new chain"???   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, other thing that annoyed me, Angel not saving Buffy. I'm cool if Xander saves her, just not with the reasoning of "I have no breath". Sorry, dude. If you're talking then you have breath. You may not need air, but it's still passing through your lungs. If they wanted a reason for Xander to save Buffy, they should have done better than that.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I like Anya either way, but that could have more to do with Emma Caulfield (I've seen her in other things, including ABC Family movies, and she's always a delight to watch). I was happy to see Xander with someone, but I felt that the wedding break up (the end result, not the stuff that made it happen) was so forced. I can't see how Xander, who actually sees her as the person he should be with, would truly walk away from that. It didn't seem like he would actually rationalize that crap to himself so much that he'd believe it. I never liked that.

Of course he can't produce oxygen. No one produces "oxygen". We breathe oxygen and produce cardon dioxide. The point of mouth to mouth is to get the lungs pumping so they continue to spread the oxygen that is already in the body to the brain (which goes hand in hand with the heart pumping which does the same thing...ironically, they say nowadays to focus on the heart instead of the breath. If you get the heart working, everything else tends to work afterward).

"Prophecy Girl" - apart from the continuity errors and science issues, was a good episode. Though, I have to disagree with the choice of using the theme music when she, Xander and Angel are walking to the school. It seemed to detach from the episode. It only semi-worked for Smallville because they actually had the band playing it at a dance, but even then it wasn't like that was a dancing song.

I like and hate how they have Xander so fixated on Buffy. He and Willow had that nice moment in the park (such a corny, and obvious pick up line about the delicious nose), which is completely subdiverted by Buffy when she returns to town. I've had the "hotts" for someone before, but when you start feeling the same thing for someone else, the "hotts" for the original tend to subside some. You don't become a zombie to love. They certainly don't disappear, but they tend to become more subliminal. I think they just ruined a potentially good thing (and yes, I'm aware of their brief stint later on..but it's not the same).  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not getting married is one thing, staying broken up is another. It took forever for them two to reconcile (like, end of the series forever), they had good romantic chemistry. Should not have been abandoned like it was. IMO.


 * Yes, Carbon Dioxide (CO2) does contain two oxygen atoms, but CO2 is toxic to breathe. That's why people will pass out if they breathe into a paper bag for too long, because you're just re-breathing your carbon dioxide. If you can't give mouth to mouth, how do they kiss? You're passing "breaths" back and forth during a kiss. lol. Sorry to pick apart the silly science of Buffy. It's up there with believing when Clark saves someone from a fire, and the flames wrap around both of them, that the person he saves doesn't get burned somehow.


 * Oh no, I got a little tingle with it, but I'm not sure if that was the power walk, the music, or the power walk with the music. I do know, when I heard it I was immediately thinking, "poor choice of score for this". I think the tingles could have been more the scene than the music.


 * Dawn/Xander??? Isn't he like 10 years her older?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That was a pretty provokative look for Dawn in the image you showed me. lol. I'm at "What's my line?" in season two. I'll probably pick up another season when I pick up Smallville tomorrow.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think of "Onyx". It's one of my favorites from season four, because it really shows you the inner darkness that Lex has been hiding. Plus, Rosenbaum gets some awesome lines in that one while he's playing evil-Lex. If you can get the Smallville DVDs cheap, then get them while you can. I plan to get that Superman for All Seasons, as well as several other graphic novels for Superman, Batman, and Swamp Thing. So, in the comics, is Dawn like Xander's runner up prize? Can't have one Summers, so he gets the other Summers? (so to speak, since she technically isn't Buffy's "real" sister).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What I have on my Amazon list (the list the never seems to stop growing) is, as far as Batman and Superman goes: Batman: A Death in the Family, Batman: Hush (vol. 1 & 2), Superman/Batman vs. Alien/Predator, Superman: Last Son, Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes, Superman: Escape from Bizarro World, Superman: For Tomorrow (vol. 1 & 2), All Star Superman (vol 1 & 2), Batman: The Killing Joke, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Batman: Dark Victory, Batman: Year One, Batman: The Long Halloween, and Superman: Birthright. Oh, when I said, "not real", I mean not be blood. Not that she wasn't family.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You have to remember that Lex is a combination of villain and "wanna be hero". He starts out trying to do the right thing, but in the wrong ways. By the end of his run, he's looking into making himself more powerful. He clouds all of his actions in the rationalization that it is for the good of mankind. His progression to villainy is gradual, but believable. Eventually, he just becomes so consumed with attaining as much power as he can, that he doesn't care how he achieves it any longer (whereas in early seasons, you see the humanity still in him...in season seven, he kills that humanity ... literally and figuratively in one episode). As far as "I am the villain of the story" goes, that's pure evil Lex, not conflicted Lex. They were separate beings. Since Lex is always fighting his demons, that was a look at the type of demons Lex is fighting in himself. I love the part where Clark says, "Lex would never try and kill his friends", and then evil Lex is like, "But he's thought about it!" (it was that tone, it made me laugh).


 * The comic snippet was funny. Was that Andrew that Willow had? It sounded like Andrew from the dialogue. What was up with Dawn being the 50ft woman? Who grabbed Willow?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Break 1
Well, I bought a bunch of movies from Amazon and half of those Smallville books, so I need to hold off righ tnow before I buy anything else (Smallville DVD excluded). It was nice to see Clark and Lana dancing at their prom. The episode itself wasn't that great, but elements of it were. I generally enjoyed everyone's impersonation of Dawn (Martha's was awesome - hence my earlier comment that it seems that adults pretending to be teens seems more entertaining than the other way around). I don't recall a lot of my prom (not because I was drunk). I vaguely remember what my ex looked like in her prom dresses (junior then senior prom), which was pretty good, but I don't dance (i.e. limited to slow dancing, can't really mess that up). I think I spent the majority of the time at the table with my friends. I figured it was Andrew. Well, Xander doesn't really look like Nicholas Brenden either.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I probably will. I mean more of a ban on Amazon buying for a bit. Xander went through many weight stages. early on, he was actually kind of buff (not David Boreanaz size), then he got a little chunkier later on.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think I should do about the "Other media" section of User:Bignole/Lionel Luthor? I really can't find any sources that verify the "appearance" of Lex's father in other media. Short of saying, "Lex said this about his father", there really doesn't seem to be much there.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's just it, I have no idea what issue of those comics he supposedly appeared in. The info was already riddled with OR. They had some shit about Lex's father looking like John Glover in Countdown to Infinite Crisis...I saw the picture, he didn't look like John Glover at all. Something like Superman: Birthright I could do, the live action TV show I can do, and the films I can do. Other than that, the rest are so vague I wouldn't know what issue they occurred in; even that animated series reference is vague as to which one they mention him in.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's probably what I'll do. I just remember when there was backlash when I removed it all from the article outright because it wasn't "Lionel Luthor", it was "Lex's mysterious father figure, who's never really shown". To me, it all was better placed in Lex's article.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to say, "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" is one of my favorite episodes. I vaguely remembered it before, while I was watching it, but I don't think I've laughed so hard watching any other Buffy episode.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My first favorite moment was when I remembered/realized that it wasn't just Buffy that was after him, but ALL of the girls. LMAO. Though I understand Giles' reaction to a point, I still think he came down a little harsh of Xander. When SMG showed up in the rain coat (and nothing else), I was like, "Holy Cow" the whole time. I thought it was funny in "Innocence" that they used Brian Thompson...Again. It's actually taking me awhile to get through these episodes. I find that watching Buffy, the time doesn't nearly go by as fast as watching Smallville. With Smallville, 42 minutes never seems like enough, but when I watch Buffy, I find myself checking the time a lot and pausing to go do other stuff. I still enjoy the episodes, I think they're just a bit slow in parts. I think I get bored watching all the horribly obvious stunt doubles coming in an doing all the fighting.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, if you look at Aaron Ashmore and Shawn Ashmore, for identical twins they certainly have a lot of differences. Smallville has reused people too, I just thought it was funny that they used him so recently. What I've found is typical though is that they'll have an actor in a guest role, but that role is minimal (e.g. usually limited screen time) and then later they'll bring that actor back for a larger role and most people cannot even tell. It's probably more me, but I can usually spot every time they swap SMG (or any of the others) out for her SD. Smallville is better at masking the doubles, though, sometimes it's plain as day on that show; especially the body doubles for the shower scenes. I mean, seriously, if you need a body double for a shower scene then just don't show the scene. Plus, Tom Welling seems to get increasing amounts of do-it-yourself stunts as the series went on. His stunt double has taught him a lot and he basically does everything but the wire work now. I just expected SMG to do more stunts given her background, but she is a girl (not a knock against girls, just noting the fact that they are typically more fragile than men...which isn't to say they aren't as tough...just to clear that up) and the star of the show. If she got seriously hurt that would be that. You're right about the krypto-agony, that gets over used on Smallville. That's why I'm happy when they bring in serious villains for him to fight with (like season six's Titan, played by Kane) because it's a lot more fun to watch drag out fights than kryptonite poisoning.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The werewolf hunter played Bob Rickman in season one of Smallville. Episode "Hug", with the guy that had the power of persuasion. As for Chloe's mind wipe, remember, that guys ability (apart from Clark), only wipes away the last few minutes. So, she wouldn't have remembered Clark saving her, but she would have remembered his secret because she knew that before hand. Unless you're referring to his father, in which case I assume that the first beam that hit her was the guide beam as the actual memory wipe beam hit Clark when he stooped in front of it. Wow, you're almost to "Commencement" (one of the best season finales, and 60 minutes long :D). "Passions" was a good episode, but I'm not caring for "Killed by Death". It's boring. Total "filler" episode.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That might be a Warner Bros. contract thing, since Buffy was originally on the WB. You have to remember, that guy didn't know Chloe knew Clark's secret. What he saw was Clark exposing himself to people he assumed did not know about his abilities (given their reactions), so he did Clark a favor by removing their memory of the event. Chloe was an innocent bystander of that situation, and it made no difference since she knew anyway.


 * It would have been stupid to kill Oz. Angel and Oz had no real interaction with each other. Oz was only beginning to have a relationship with Willow, it would have been overly, underdramatic. Whereas with Jenny, you have someone who was already established as Giles' girlfriend, recently required, someone that was part of that clan that cursed Angel and was about to do it again...there was way more to lose (in this case "gain" for the audience) for the characters by killing Jenny off. I cannot imagine the same dramaticism if he had played a game with Oz's body for Willow. Insignificant. Not like with Giles. I'm not liking "I Only Have Eyes For You" either. I've seen it, and I wasn't impressed with it before. I've seen a lot of these closing season two episodes. Have you ever noticed that Cordelia and Xander, after "Phases", (and I don't know how much longer this will stay true since I haven't finished their romantic run) have yet to kiss again. Their relationship has gotten better, but since the make-out session at the beginning of "Phases", they really haven't kissed. It's funny, because early on that's all you saw them doing. (Quick side note: Check this out)   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe later on, but Oz wasn't introduced enough to really care about him dying. He was an inconsequential character. I like the end with Buffy and Angel in "I Only Have Eyes..", but the rest of it is boring as hell. You're right, I didn't care for "Go Fish". I'm about ready to kill that damn principal myself, too. Such an asshole. If he's so aware of the Hellmouth, and tired of covering things up, why the hell doesn't he know who Buffy is? It amazed me that there were so many filler episodes leading up to the finale two of the season. Usually, you find one here and one there in the closing episodes. Yeah, that was a very fat Brackett...lol. I got season 3 with Smallville, but I don't know if I'm going to buy the rest from Best Buy, or buy online at Amazon. Amazon is 4 dollars cheaper, plus Best Buy was already out of season 5.


 * I've never seen all of the episodes, but I have seen all of the ones they put on VHS (I actually own them). They're nice, cheesy Twilight Zone type episodes. If you're a die-hard slasher fan like me, you buy them just because.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"Bad Eggs" slipped my mind because I remembered watching it before. It was probably because that was dumb, but not boring. Well, the season two finale indicated the Synder has some connection to the Mayor...that, or he's just a gullible as those cops he was making fun of when Buffy told him they would figure out that she didn't kill Kendra. If you removed all the lame filler episodes, I would say that season two was really strong and I would have been wondering (had I been watching the show when it originally aired) how they were going to top that. It frankly had a lot of dark, dramatic moments (which makes for good TV). Right now I'm conflicted. I don't know if I want to put in season three of Buffy, take a break and watch Smallville, or skip both and just watch some movies that I bought. I know that if I start season three then I'll want to go buy season four (and so forth and so on), and I want to delay that purchase. Oh, Amazon has Friday the 13th: The Series, but I can only find it for region 1. That Freddy's Nightmare set is all regions.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know, because Clark has never been put in a situation like that. That being said, whenever Clark has ever been faced with having to choose that one evil act in order to save all of humanity (e.g. Buffy killing a now good Angel for the sake of the world would be a similar example; in Clark's case, it would be killing Lex to save the world), Clark always chooses not to do the evil act. He always finds a way around it; unfortunately, every time he does that he has to face the consequences of his actions. So, to answer your question in a roundabout way, no, he wouldn't kill Lana to save the world. Clark would find some other way to save the world, in which case something else bad would occurr and he'd have to face that consequence. I think that has been a running theme with Superman though; he refuses to commit a single act of evil just to save the whole world, he would rather find a way to save the world without the act (but that's comic book crap that always allows such loop holes). Also, and this has been true many times with Clark, he would be more willing to sacrifice himself than another person to save the world.


 * I don't care for "Forever". The final scene is good, with Chloe, Clark and Lana...but the rest of the episode was filler for the season finale (which I think you'll like).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I admit, it was cliched, but you have to admit it was still a cool scene involving Clark saving the boy. What did you think of the final shot, with Clark at the Arctic? I like the cliffhangers, because they usually leave you wanting more (i.e. your satisfying closure). If you have the seasons already, then you don't have to worry about the wait, but when you don't it just creates both agony and excitement over the anticipation for the next season to begin. With them, you get your "Holy shit" feelings that have to wait 3 months before their satisfied.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this his blog, or a blog that he participates in? If it's the former, then it's easy to assertain his identity (kind of like how Zombie updated his personal MySpace page). If it's the latter, then it's harder to prove that he wrote what is being stated (even if so-called links go from that user to Hutchinson's webpages). It becomes even less reliable.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd first search for a better source (third-party if you can find it). If you cannot find one, then I'd try and find something that concretely identified that user as Hutchinson (the same with the other crew members that post there). This way, if there is challenges you can say, "here is proof that the guy posting is the guy that wrote the comics".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I only mentioning finding concrete evidence because, if we ever get it to FAC, that source would certainly come under fire. I think there would just be a lot of wasted energy trying to defend it in an FAC (though, I understand why you would want to use it).

No, I haven't started season 3 yet (though I have been wanting to). I'm trying to delay the inevitable because I know I'll have to buy season 4 after that. Lately, after I finished Smallville season seven, I watched Assassins, Daylight, Rumble in the Bronx (probably my favorite Jackie Chan film), and I'm about to watch Gorgeous.

Thanks. Chloe is going to take a bit longer, because I have to create a Smallville section for her appearances and clean up a lot of that crap that is currently in there. Lana's article still needs the lead expanded, and, well, all of the articles need further expanded in one way or another. Six of the eighteen books (I only ordered the first 10 by Aspect Publishing, none from Little Brown Young Readers), have arrived so when I get the chance I can read them and start providing a bit of literature appearance information to each's article.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The only screenshot is Clark, and that's because all of the promo images don't depict "Clark", they depict Tom Welling. Clark never wears any of that crap that they make Tom Welling wear. Everyone but Chloe, even Clark and his screenshot, are profile level images. Chloe is the only full body shot, and that's only because that seemed to be the best image of her. We could swap it out for this one. Assassins is a good one. If you get a chance check that one out. I don't know if you're into martial arts movies. If so, then Rumble in the Bronx is a good one. It's one of the few Jackie Chan movies where he isn't running from the fights (If you aren't familiar with his movies, he typically never wants to fight but people keep pushing and pushing until he had to defend himself). The fight scenes are pretty awesome.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It just happened to be the one that I found. I only recently noticed that the CW had their own cast pages (though, they removed Michael Rosenbaum and kept Kristin Kreuk...odd. John Glover isn't there either). You should check out some martial arts movies, you might like them. There are different kinds though. If you want poignant (sp) stories with good fight sequences and beautiful cinimetagraphy, then I suggest Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero (especially this one), or House of Flying Daggers (among others). If you're want to try a martial arts action movie, then Rumble in the Bronx. Oh, Kung Fu Hustle is a great one if you want to see a kung-fu movie that is kind of a comedy kung-fu movie (and one that Roger Ebert loved). The Saw movies are pretty good. They have started to dwindle though. I remember someone told me the twist to the original, before I saw it, but they weren't specific so I was genuinely shocked when Tobin Bell got up at the end. I love the Short Circuit movies (both of them). My favorite part of either is the part in Short Circuit 2 where Johnny 5 is rebuilding himself and he learns that Oscar didn't hurt Ben and Fred.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude, you're talking to someone that bought The Monster Squad, Chopping Mall and Killer Klowns from Outer Space. Thought those are "horror" movies, I love cheesy 80s films. Yeah, there is still chit chat going on about them doing a remake. They've been remaking movies that really shouldn't be remade. First, the robot who was "Johnny 5" was pretty good for an 80s movie. What are they going to do, make him CG? Stupid. I prefer the Saw movies to those hideous Hostel movies (though, I've only seen the first one).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You've never heard of Killer Klowns from Outer Space? I can forgive Chopping Mall; not a lot of people have heard of that one. But not know KKfOS is something else. Here is a trailer for KKfOS, let me know if you cannot view it. Here is a trailer for Chopping Mall. There are a lot of horror movies that I don't like, or even respect. Hostel was stupid. It had a good premise (teenagers go to Europe and unwittingly become part of a club where rich sociolites pay to tortue and kill people. Unfortunately, it went no where. It was never really well played out. Some of the gore was just ridiculous looking (there is a blow torch to the face scene and you're like, "what the hell, that wouldn't happen like that"). Eli Roth's Cabin Fever is much better. To me, it wasn't that he was trying to make his own Texas Chainsaw, it was that he was going to show that since he was a "name" in horror by that time (with the success of Cabin Fever), that he could make a successful torture horror film...just like those no-names James Wan & Leigh Whannell. Personally, I think he was jealous that new "no-names" had come in an stolen his spotlight, because Saw was such a huge thing for the horror genre when it came out.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Break 2
Well, if you get a blowtorch to the face, it should melt you face off. You've got flames burning your flesh, and a pressurized mechanism that forces the flames harder on your face (essentially the same effects when you have a pull of water on the table and you blow on it - the water pushes away from the area being blowed on. It's more physics than me actually performing the action).

KKfOS isn't a piece of cinematic history, it's more of a cult film. It's one of those "so bad it's great" films. Recent horror? A lot of those Japanese remakes I don't like. I thought The Ring was a decent movie, but nothing special. I'm not sure of specific ones, as there aren't a lot.

Yeah, I see Roth as being pompous. I think he thinks that he's the world's gift to horror. Oh, and though I liked Cabin Fever, it's certainly not one that I would put in again any time soon.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically, she gets a messed up eye ball. There is no real burning on the face. If you got a blowtorch to the face, you'd probably have some charring and melted away flesh. Nope, she just has some second degree burns and a busted eye ball (literally, later on in the film it pops with puss). I found this interview. Most of the "gore" isn't even as "realistic" (I use that lightly) as Saw. Even then, if you can take Saw then you can definitely handle Hostel.


 * If you see KKfOS on TV, then tune in. You might like what you see. The original Child's Play is good, but it's ruined by the fact that 25 years later we all know what happens. The first sequel isn't bad, but they really all went downhill after the first one. The first is worth at least renting, if not buying. I've never seen Prom Night, so I couldn't tell you. I see it in the stores all the time, but it isn't on my list of things to buy right now.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and Don Mancini was originally going to make the boy the killer. Child's Play 2 and 3 focus more on Chucky, and less on Andy; the first sequel immediately made Chucky less scary and more comical. Bride of Chucky is good in that it is intended to make fun of itself, so I like it and respect it for that. Seed of Chucky was just horrible. I had a My Buddy doll when I was a kid (the doll that Chucky is based on), which my mother threw in the attic when she saw the trailer for Child's Play. I have a Good Guy statuette (the doll Chucky is). Hellraiser is good. Well, the first two are real good. The third is decent. Bloodline starts to slip more, but you get some backstory on the Lament configuration (the box). Inferno is more of a "this is your personal hell story", which I hated when I first saw it but later came to enjoy it for what it was. After that, all of the sequels have departed from what the original Hellraiser established, and started to follow the Inferno example of doing a personal hell story.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, she didn't throw it away, just threw it in the attic. Hell, it even managed to come with us when we moved (I think it's currently in my parents' attic as we type). She threw it up there because the two dolls looked so much alike. You be the judge: My Buddy and Good Guy "Chucky". Hell, my mom used to forbid me from watching anything slasher related, but I still did. She couldn't stop me from watching it at my dad's, or with a friend at the babysitters. She used to say I'd turn out to be a psychopath - which is ironic, in that she enjoys going to state prison executions (yeah, and her money was on ME being a psychopath). Frankly, I think I turned out rather well for someone that was supposed to be a psycho from watching all these movies. The continuity is decent up until Inferno (so the first 4 are decently straight). Part 2 picks up right after Part 1, but the ending of Part 1 is sort of retconned (the literal ending, like the part of Kirsty burning the box and the demon taking it away) so that Part 2 can happen (which is ok, but not perfect). Part 3 picks up shortly after part 2 (undisclosed time and location), and a few cosmetic changes to the object that pops up at the end of part 2 (which I won't say, in case you see the movie and watch it). Bloodline picks up well into the future (space to be exact), but spends most of the time in the past detailing how the box was created and what its purpose was. You even get a quick connection to the third film's ending with one of the "historical times" that are depicting the box. After that, the only "connect" the films have to the series again is in Hellseeker" (part 6). Here, we get see Kirsty again, and she stumbles across the box, again. Only, this time the story isn't about her, she's more of a minor character in the background. It's got a decent twist at the end, but the movie itself is just a rehash of Inferno. The rest are just one-shot, direct-to-DVD sequels. I haven't actually see Deader or Deadworld. Um, I could live without all of them after Hell on Earth (Part 3). Oh, and if you want a lot of Pinhead, Hell on Earth'' is probably the one with the most screen time for the character. He is much more proactive in this movie than in the previous ones (his proactive behavior is based on specific events that occur to him in Part 2).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's for "fun", but more of curiousity (morbid curiosity). Plus, not just anyone can go see. The public can (select few), but it's extremely hard. She works for the government, so she can sit in most of the time. She actually has not been to that many of them, but still.


 * Bloodline is "straight-faced", sort of. I mean, the Cenobites are a little more comical looking, but it certainly isn't Jason X style, or Leprechaun in Space. Plus, like I said, the majority of the film takes place on Earth centuries prior. It basically starts in space with Lamerchant's ancestor telling the tale of how the box was created. Then you travel through time to see the box created, and follow it as it continually makes its way back to its creator's bloodline in some form or fashion. This takes you back to the "present" (future), where the latest ancestor is trying to devise a way to trap the Cenobites forever.


 * I know, I have 25 Years of Terror, I just haven't sat down to watch it yet...but I did read the comic. It was pretty good. Yeah, I picked up the five Harry Potter movies, so I don't know when I'll be watching Buffy again (obviously not way down the road, just don't know if I'll put it in after Harry Potter or watch some of those other movies first).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if there people that did that. I like Bloodline to a point. I'm not a fan of most "in space" sequels, the typically don't turn out well. Bloodline takes its own liberties with the Cenobites (not including some that should have been present at some point, and not explaining why some were not present originally). It's a decent "wrap" to the continuity, but not perfect.

"Pretty good" is a really good compliment by me. I'm not that enthusastic with things (if you could, I would I tell you to "just ask anyone"). I agree, except for with HII and H20.

I like the Harry Potter films, but I have never read the books. Same with the Lord of the Rings series. I enjoy the films, but have never read the books.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think making Michael "just a guy in a mask" kind of is creepy, because "anyone" can be a guy in a mask.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, there was bad lighting.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think about Smallville: Chloe Chronicles? It seems like I could merge the content into Smallville (TV series) and User:Bignole/Small sand nicely, and redirect the title to either of them.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There was only brief mentioning of it in the books (and that's in the main article right now). What I can find as far as third-party sources go is already in the main article. Are they worth watching? I didn't watch them. I tried, but they're kind of boring. When I start the young adult novels information then it will be under a "literature" section.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a die-hard fan of the show, not silly ad-placement webisodes. Season two, three and five have the websides on them. Season seven has the Kara "cartoon"--it was really like a mobile phone videa they issued. What kind of laptop do you have? What is the operating system? If you're using windows, you should be able to play DVDs in Windows Media Player. In which case, you just pause the video wherever you want and hit the "PrtScn" (print screen) button on the keyboard (that is, if you're keyboard looks anything like mine). That will save the screen, and then you just go into a program like Paint and paste the image there. Then you can crop around the desktop and just include the image itself. But, if you don't have Windows, or Windows Media Player, then you can probably download a VLC player, and it has its own "screen capture" feature on it. I suggest the former first, as it's easier to pause where you want to with WMP than it is with VLC.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Barely. The webisodes are about Chloe finding out what happened to Earl Jenkins back in season one. First things first, does your laptop have DVD reading capabilities? When you put the movie in, does it play automatically? If so, what program is being used? Close that program and go to "My Computer", and you should see the movie listed in the CD-ROM drive. Right-click the movie and hit "Open with" -- there, select WMP and it should (hopefully) start right up. If it doesn't, you may have an older version (try going to Windows and downloading WMP 11). If that isn't the problem, then try downloading hte VLC player. If THAT doesn't work, then you probably cannot view DVDs on your laptop because you lack the DVD drive.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I will all but guarantee that it will cause trouble (the discussion is taking place on Buffyverse Project, and not on a neutral field like WikiProject TV, or the naming conventions page. I finished all the Harry Potters the other day. Order of the Phoenix was really good. I popped in the third season (well, 3 discs) and The Invasion. I started the seasons, but I'll probably stop and watch The Invasion tonight.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd seen the first four before, but it was the first time I saw Phoenix. You know, I didn't even realize who that was playing Barty...I didn't give the actor much thought. Interesting to see him in something else, and in a role that isn't so goofy. I enjoy all the films. To me, Chris Columbus's first two have a certain innocent charm that was necessary because of Harry/Daniel's age. I like the direction they took for the later ones (more darker), and it's something I think Columbus wouldn't have been able to accomplish easily. I haven't read the books, and don't plan on it until at least I've finished the movies because I don't want to taint my opinion while watching the movies.


 * Season five starts off a bit rugged. I really like "Hidden", because it's got a really good scene where (don't know if you've seen it yet, so I'll be vague) something happens to Clark, and he had Lionel share a moment. The music is awesome for that particular scene. "Aqua" is alright, but I just don't care for Alan Ritchson. The best part of season five is the Milton Fine (James Marsters) storyarc. His storyline will pick up with "Splinter" more heavily, but will have a break for a few episodes in the middle of the season, then it comes back for the rest of the season. Speaking of, "Splinter" is a really good episode, so are "Lexmas", "Reckoning", and "Cyborg".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Barty isn't actually. You see Tennant in a dream sequence in the beginning, and then briefly at the World Quiddich (sp) Cup. Then, you seem him in a memory of Dumbledor's, and lastly at the very end of the film when they discover he has been Moody the whole time.


 * I wouldn't say Clark and Lionel are buddies, not even at the end of Lionel's run on the show. There was still a lot of distrust going on; he couldn't completely forgive him for everything he did, even if he had turned over a new leaf. Well, Marsters will make his first full appearance in "Aqua". It'll take some getting used to, but I think you'll like him. His writing is very good, and you get some see him verbally spare (and win) with Michael Rosenbaum on multiple occassions (which is a given because of who his character is).


 * Interesting scene for Torchwood. Was that the real music, or something the uploader added? I saw the kiss coming a mile away, but the rest seemed to be completely ridiculous, even the acting (each one showing off after a move). I don't know if that's part of the relationship, or just something silly the writers came up with. Yeah, I've got the first two episodes finished in Buffy.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, he certainly doesn't have any of those follies in Smallville. Once he shows his true self, it's that way for the long haul. He's gone at the end of season five, but he returns in season seven. As far I know he's done, but given the way they brought him back before they could do it again (and I know Marsters expressed an interest in coming back).


 * From what I'm hearing from the new executive producers, right now they are writing the season as if they will get a ninth. The hope to know if they will early enough so that they can write (or rewrite) the finale accordingly.


 * In case you hadn't noticed, the shittith, has hittith the fannith over at the Buffy Project with that naming thing. The big ol' administrator is batting for the "rename" Team.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

You were just complaining about the follies (by "follies" I mean the way Torchwood handled the character, e.g. making him like Spike). That's for sure about Smallville, they have a great deal of patience. That usually pays off in the end, but no always. For all the hooplah about Lana and Clark, and dragging it all out, I was actually satisfied with the way they ended that relationship, because it really gave Clark a violent shove back on track to fullfilling his destiny. Don't worry about dragging me anywhere, I never go where I don't want to. If it gets too circular, or heated, then I'll just step out of it - just like with those Angel episodes.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by status quo? He was going to continue his training, but he had to look after Kara (Jor-El's orders). Then, Lana came back and he ignored everything again. Now, he seems to be back on track, and season 8 is supposed to be about him developing his dual identity. He just started working at the Planet himself, but it's in the basement. Perry is no where to be seen right now. It would be great if he came back, but they have to find a way to get the Daily Planet out of the hands of LuthorCorp, as I doubt Perry would have willing work for LuthorCorp, given his history in the show. I think the executives have hinted about him donning the glasses this season. If they do that, I hope they do it smartly (i.e. have him faun developing poorer eyesight, instead of having him just walk in one day with glasses). Clark can get from Smallville to Metropolis before you can finish a breath, I think he can run the farm and work in Metropolis. On the hand, for appearances sake, he could always have Ben Hubbard run the farm (given that he's been an off screen character since the early seasons, even spoken off at the beginning of season seven when Clark first decides to go continue he training).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think of the Chloe Sullivan article now?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Paul!. I didn't mess with the cats, they were there when I uploaded the new version. I hadn't actually paid them much mind (matter of fact, I basically ignored this article and Lionel's article while I was working on their new versions, because I knew that whatever happened on them was going to be moot eventually). As for "sidekick", she technically (as does Clark) identifies herself as a "sidekick" in season seven, so I'm sure that's where that one came from. I think right now, her article is the most complete (as far as well roundedness); it's probably the only one at this time that could go through a GAC and pass without a real problem (though, I would like some sources about her DC appearance that are more professional than Newsarama's forums...I just used what they had on the page to get the article out there on the mainspace quickly). Do you think that "DC Comics" character is only for those in the mainstream universe, or for those that exist in comics that are published by DC Comics?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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I like to hope that she survives, because they's certainly developed her character (and her storyline) to the point that she could easily live on after the show is complete. She's also a fan favorite, and I could see them killing her off for the emotional rush it would cause. It would certainly put any final nails in the coffin for Clark and his destiny (if there are any left at the end of the series). I can't remember, if the cat is "DC Comics" then it's the company, but if it's "DC comics" then it the universe (IMO).  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * They could kill her this season, with the Davis Bloome story arc, but I just don't see it happening. I mean, it won't be believed when it occurs, because they've already killed her twice and brought her back. So, you'll end up just pissing people off. As for the cat, it's your choice, I really don't care. As far as changing Clark's article goes, what Smallville spin-off stuff are you referring to? There is Smallville: The Comic, Smallville: Chloe Chronicles, and other various rip-offs of the name, but there is not straight "Smallville" except for the TV series.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * But it seems odd to say just "Television", when all the other characters that don't have a literature (yet) say "Smallville". Of couse "Smallville" is the meat behind the bones, but if you had a list of TV appearances you wouldn't lump them all under "TV"; you'd have "TV" --> "TV Show title" -->"TV Show title". Plus, you didn't mention this with Chloe, and it was on there when I uploaded the new page. :D But, I understand where you're coming from. Similar to how Jason doesn't list all the films under "Friday the 13th".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know if Lionel has ever appeared in the Smallville comic. Chloe has, but I'm not sure about Lionel (as I don't have them, and they're out of print). It certainly wouldn't be the latter with either, because Chloe and Lionel are the creation of Gough and Millar (not DC Comics). The copyright on those characters lies with Warner Bros., and not DC Comics (as DC Comics is a subsidiary of Warner Bros. that does strictly with comic book stuff).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Told ya so. I love the score that is playing while Clark dies, it really embodies that scene. I also like the part, just after Lionel/Jor-El gives Clark's his powers back and you see him racing up to the camera, and then after the missle (before finally jumping onto it). What do you mean by, "See you next Tuesday"? Yes, I am still watching Buffy. I finished the first disc.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, I get it. I take that to mean that you think he acts like a cunt on the show? As far as the comics go, I have no idea. On the show, you have to remember that this isn't Jor-El, but merely his "will". It's a little more cold than what Jor-El actually is. Remember in "Relic", he showed that he is a lot like Clark. As a matter of fact, what you learn in season six and season seven is that Jor-El was very much like Clark (trying to save everyone; willing to sacrifice himself to do so). I think the reason that Jor-El comes off so cold on the show is that it is the mission of his "will" to get Clark to accept his destiny, so that Clark can save humanity from itself. I think that Jor-El probably believes that you cannot coddle the boy to make him do that, but force him to make decisions that will ultimately affect who he is.


 * John Glover is amazing. He was the best actor on the show, and it's always great when he has scenes with Michael Rosenbaum (whom I believe to be a great actor himself). I love how John Glover mimics Brando (in mannerisms and even in a bit in voice - though, I think he was also trying to mimic Terrence Stamp) when he performs that scene in the Fortress. You're probably going to start hating Lex (in a potentially good way) because of what he does with Lana this season, in regards to her relationship with Clark. That continues on until season six as well.


 * I didn't care for the episode, but I didn't have a problem with their reactions. Everyone was hurt, and when Buffy returned, even though they were glad to see her, they still went into defense mode because of their pain. Then, because NO ONE talked to anyone, it just because one big shit on Buffy match - which is realistic, because that kind of stuff happens in real life.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It just wasn't that exciting. I'll keep an eye our for "Choices". I've already had my first taste of the Xander/Willow kiss. Didn't care for it. I don't particularly appreciate it when they taken generally strong willed characters and make them do things that I personally feel are not part of who they are (in this case, cheat on their respective others). This is true with Willow more than Xander, because they really established Oz as a true love for Willow, and it seems like their just throwing that out the window. It just doesn't make sense that just because Willow is in a prom dress that Xander all of a sudden "notices" her. It also speaks less of both of their characters that they would give in so easily to that urge when it popped up. I can speak from personal experience, if you recognize that it is morally wrong to cheat on the person you're with (or cheaet with a person that is with someone else, as it was in my case), then a strong willed person can control themselves and not do it. I felt like they established that kind of character with Willow and Xander, but it got lost in this episode.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have one more episode before "Lover's Walk". I think it's funny that the immature Giles has a thicker British accent than the adult, mature version. A lot of the slang comes out more, and he's less articulate.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's funny, because other than the choice of British words, I don't hear a big English accent with Spike. To me, it's not like watching Hugh Laurie do an American accent, and then do an interview in his regular accent (which is creepy), the same with Hugh Jackman.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Like I said, Alan Ritchson sucks. I think that was really more his acting than it was the writing of his dialogue, because I've seen plenty of instances where the other actors pulled off cheesy dialogue with convincing acting. He seemed to fill more of a "hot body" role on the show, than an actual actor. I prefer Justin Hartley's portrayal of Aquaman on the failed pilot (though, seeing him as Green Arrow makes me glad--to some degree--that it failed). "Thirst" was deemed by the crew to be "the worst" episode of the seasons, and that was why they did the commentary for it. They talk about how the studio demanded a holiday episode, and they had a limited budget and it just went down hill from there. It's an interesting episode, because Chloe goes to the Daily Planet to get a job, but, other than that, nothing really good happens.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just the fifth season. LOL, yeah you won't see Pauline Kahn (Carrie Fisher) again though. The episode wasn't horrible, by any means, but it wasn't anything special.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

HEY! You seemingly failed to mentioned that Anya is introduced this season.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I vaguely remember seeing that episode before. Buffy staking Xander? Hell, everyone dies. Oz kills Willow. The Master kills Buffy. Angel dies. Cordelia dies. It's just one big death match.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I just got done with "Amends". Good episode, up until the end. It's like, story-story....drop off. They built up this ending, and then it just ends with "miracle" snow (which I'd be ok with, if there was a bit more resolution) and that's it. No more discussion about the First. It just seemed, anti-climatic for me.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Miracle snow = ok. Unresolved ending (with no "to be continueed" type) = boo. I'll let you know about Gingerbread and the rest.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * On thing, "Someday, you're going to wake up in a coma." LMAO. That was a good episode. It gave a little taste of racism and discrimination in Sunnydale. Poor Amy. Every time she shows up in the show, it's always something going wrong with the magic world. Doesn't that girl get screen time in a general "Hi, nice to see and talk to you guys" kind of way?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * But I could swear, she does come back when they're in college and starts wrecking havoc with Willow. Did she end up getting turned back into a rat at the end of that episode?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew I remembered seeing her again. I just got through the episode where Giles is fired. I remembered that one from before. Still, it's sad to see him get fired.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no, I'm not suggesting that they should have played that out exactly as they did. Definitely tone down the crazy. On the plus side, it has some good lines and individual moments, but heart of the episode was in its examination of mob mentality and whathaveyou, which was lost when the mind-control element came into it. Admittedly, I'm not sure exactly how it could have been written in a way that kept it beating and remained Buffy. Anyway, now you know one of my pet Buffy peeves, I'll let you two get back to it. Sorry for the intrusion. :) Steve  T • C 21:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean the running around (going upstairs)? LOL, yeah, I had flashes of Scream 2. ;) Yeah, Quentin was certainly an asshole, but I get the idea that all of the Council are that way. I love how everyone's coming in and telling Giles that he sucks at his job, yet he's probably the most capable watching out of the lot.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm far from season five, so I have time to forget him and the rest of the Council. I'm on "Consequences" right now.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I never cared for his Buffy stint, and even in Angel he was annoying until he finally grew a pair. One thing that bothered me in an earlier episode, which was brought back to my attention because I'm about to watch "Dopplegangland", is how Anya didn't remember that her amulet was smashed when she went to grant Cordelia's wish. Not just that, why, if smashing the amulet causes ALL wishes to revert back, did Anya end up at the last wish she granted? Shouldn't she have ended up at the first wish she ever granted? Always seemed odd to me. As for "Exposed", nothing really good about it. There is a funny scene with Clark and Lois at a Gentlemen's Club, and a cool (minor) nod to the originally Superman film when Clark saves Lois on the roof. "Splinter" is a good episode, because it let's Tom stretch his acting muscles, and you're never really sure what the character is actually seeing while he is on silver kryptonite (e.g. pay attention to some of those hallucinations, some aren't as clearly noticed).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, she seemed to remember in "Doppelgangland" what happened to her amulet, yet in "The Wish" she had no idea at the end of the episode. I'm also seeing the differences in character between this Anya and the one we see later. It's kind of odd to see her so hate-filled and calculated as a human, and then later she's almost ditzy. She shouldn't have to remeber the wishverse to remember that smashing her amulet will take back the wish, as in the wishverse she realized what Giles was doing right before he smashed it. Plus, what demon isn't aware of their own weakness? I loved "Doppelgangland", it was so funny. I love the end when the jock writes two papers, prints a bibliography and then gives Willow an apple. LMAO.


 * I doubt the helicopter thing was intentional, because when they do something intentionally you generally see it clear as day. I think Tom and Erica have the best chemistry on the show, bar none. I mean, him and Kreuk have good romantic chemistry, but it's not comparable to the all around chemistry that he has with Erica. To me, you can really see how these two could eventually grow to fall in love with each other. I have heard of pink kryptonite, but I doubt Smallville would use it. There are already a lot of homosexual subtexts in the show, and I doubt Smallville would even go full homo. Unfortunately, the American society is a lot more accepting of lesbians than homosexual men (speaking of, I like how they forshadow Willow's lesbianism in "Doppelgangland"). Usually, to have homosexual men in a show the show has to have a target audience that would watch it and not run away screaming. Smallvilles target audience is teenage boys and girls, with the girls looking at Tom and boys looking for any female T&A they can get.   BIGNOLE '    (Contact me)  00:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I loved the part when Vamp Willow gets back to her world and immediately gets staked, her reaction is priceless. Rosenbaum and Welling do the same thing, as the writers are aware of the homosexual themes that some people have pointed out, and everyone jokes about it on the set. If you watch the outtakes on the DVDs, you'll see Welling and Rosenbaum just loose control around each other. According to Allison, during the commentary for "Truth", Welling has a hard time keeping a straight face around Rosenbaum because the latter is always making jokes and doing stupid stuff while they're filming. I'd say that striptease wasn't for furthuring the story, but the lapdance is hilarious. I love the final scene with Clark and Lois, where she threatens to reveal his night light if he tells about the lapdance, and he's like, "Aye, Aye....sailor". I think it was that comment coupled with her facial response after he left that just shows that he's growing on her (and vice versa). There is a great scene in season six where Clark pretends to be Green Arrow (to help Oliver) and you get some "Green Arrow"/Lois action that has a funny twist at the end of the episode.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, she is hot (though, I've never been one for fake boobs, but she has a good body and she's gorgeous...when she doesn't have those hideous bangs). You mean the part where they joke about being friends in "Lucy"? I think each of the female leads serves a different purpose with Clark. His relationship with Lana shouldn't be anything similar to what it is with Lois, because he isn't supposed to end up with Lana. I think it's that burning lust, that first love desire that makes their relationship seem more difficult to watch than with him and Lois. Once Lois came into the show, and you saw that chemistry it was like "Ok, we need more Lois" from the fans (including myself). Their relationship development is always a joy to watch, especially in scenes where they console each other (like Clark did with Lois in "Aqua"). Have you finished "Splinter" yet?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I figured you'd have something to say about Marsters. Well, Durance is supposedly going to get more than her usual 13 episodes this current season, but that's more to develop that relationship with Clark. Plus, it appears that she is the focal point of a lot of the episodes (not that they focus on her, but that she is in deep in what's happening in the storylines). Lana has stuff to do in season five. Her relationship with Lex is something to watch though.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What episode are you at now? I hope you like "Reckoning" (IMO, it's the best episode of the entire series), but I fear that the power of the episode is sightly lost because you already know what is going to happen.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Then you only have one more disc till it happens. "Lexmas" is good. It gives you a look at what Lex's life could be like if he gave up the power and corruption that goes with being a true "Luthor". "Fanatic" is, eh. "Lockdown" develops more of the Lex/Lana relationship, to the point that you really start to hate Lana (at least, I did). Then, you get the coveted "Reckoning". The thing about "Reckoning" is that it's go so much going on, that you feel like it was a 60 minute episode (like "Commencement"), but it isn't. I'm the same with Smallville, I know most of what is going on in the show before I watch it. Though, occassionally they still surprise me.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I have two and a half episodes left till I finish season three. Should I buy season four, or buy season one of Angel? Should I just wait till I finish Buffy to start Angel? The b-story with Santa was just a way, IMO, to have more of Clark and the rest of the stars, since this was a Lex-centric episode. The quote from the Lex article is from "Lockdown", the next episode (which reminds me, I need to make that clear on that page).  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't didn't like her drawing closer to Lex. If anyone is naive, it's Lana who is naive about Lex. With Clark, I think it's less naivety and more denial. I think he lied to himself for many years regard that, because he was in total fear that telling her the truth would either change the way she felt about him or it would put her in danger and he didn't want that. I don't think he treats her like a "possession", because he never once states that she is "his". He even gives her up with the hope that she will find someone that will make her happy; it's only when Lex superspeeds (pardon the pun) in that Clark steps back in the picture. There is an episode in season seven where Clark sees a world where he did not exist, and in it Lana is married and living happily ever after with some Frenchman; Clark was genuinely happy for her. Plus, look at his track record. When he "tells" someone his secret, it never ends well for that person. He revealed his secret to Pete, and Pete couldn't handle it. He revealed his secret to Alicia and she went psycho. Chloe discovers the truth on her own (well, with Alicia's help), and she can handle it. There's a different sensation when someone dumps all of this on you, than when you find out for yourself. Plus, Pete knew the secret and people tortured him for it. You already know what happens to Lana in "Reckoning" after he tells her the truth. It just seems to him that whenever he tells someone his secret it just puts them in more danger.


 * I finished season three. I didn't care for the fact in "Prom" that Xander covers for Cordelia and then buys her the dress she wanted, they share a moment, and then by the next episode their characters are right back where they were before. It annoyed me that the writers would tease a renewed relationship between them, but change their minds immediately after. I also have a theory about Anya, that stems from her last appearance. If you watch her, she does show glimpses of that "ignorant" personality quark. I think that the longer she stays a human the more "human" she truly becomes, personality wise. Whereas, when it first happened she was still like her original character, calculated and basically evil. Then, the longer she stayed there the more she started developing human emotions and losing that demonic identity. It could be said that she's picking up the neurotic traits of her fellow human females. I don't know, just a thought. Oh, given that Cordelia didn't announce that she was leaving Sunnydale at the end of season three, am I to assume that her character mysteriously leaves during the summer? If so, that's so shitty. Anyway, I enjoyed the episodes (minus the horrible stunt double fighting between Buffy and Faith). I think the Mayor is one of my favorite villains.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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How easy do you think it would be to leave the one (at this time) true love of your life? How scared do you think you would be to tell her the truth, knowing that some people cannot handle the truth (especially when you feel responsible for the death of her parents), and that her knowing the truth puts her in life threatening danger (as was clearly demonstrated in "Reckoning"). Trust me, he leaves her alone after "Hypnotic". "Hypnotic" is the "official" break up.

Anya seemed to relish the fact that she caused a lot of destruction (and not just to one specific person); that's kind of evil. Plus, she seemed to enjoy the fact that she had turned Sunnydale into a vampire haven with Cordelia's wish. lol.

I never cared about his motives, he was just fun to watch. I loved how serious he could get, and then the instant revert back to this socially acceptable person ("Germs, ew"). So, you didn't answer my question about which to buy.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just like Buffy, there are episodes where it seems that some writers haven't been paying attention to the show and do something almost out of character (or just exagerate certain things that make it appear worse than normal). I think, for the most part, Clark doesn't try and "hold onto" Lana, in a "I own you" kind of way. I think he was stupid for not telling her sooner, and it showed his ignorance for thinking that she couldn't handle the situation, but when you're young and in love you do stupid things.


 * I totally missed that whole section of comment. I liked the Faith storyline, but I think she was a useless character when it didn't involve here. I think they should have introduced her later, so as to keep her episodes closer together. Otherwise, you're sitting there going "Where's Faith"? It's kind of that way with Kara in Smallville season seven. There are episodes where you're like, "where the hell is she?" Obviously they don't have time to write for every character, but if Xander, the epitome of "has nothing to do in this scene" for Buffy, can appear in most scenes then so could Faith. Like I said, I really enjoyed the Mayor. To me, he doesn't need a motive to want to become a demon. What motive does Spike have for killing, other than he just enjoys it (same for Angelus for that matter). Does Anya come back in season four, or does she not come back to like season five or six? Is season four the episode where Buffy has the one-night stand and gets dumped afterward, because I never liked that episode. I always felt like it was out of character for her to "give it up" so fast to someone she just met, when she had been so deeply in love with Angel before that (though, if it's not season four, then my interpretation could be misjudged).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I picked up on that but it still doesn't mean she wasn't a useless character for much of season three given how early she pops up. There are a lot of times you see Buffy patrolling by herself, and then sometimes with Faith. It was just inconsistent for me.


 * Yeah, Anya is on of my favorite characters, but that is largely because of Emma Caulfield. I think I had a crush on her when I was younger and caught those few Buffy episodes. I always enjoyed her character. Next to her would be Oz, because he reminds me of myself.


 * One thing I didn't like about both series is the fact that the whole "good vampire" thing because just a cliche for the show. First there was Angel, which was cool because he was the first. Then you had Spike earn his soul back to please Buffy. Though I amend his actions, and have an appreciation for the character for it, it makes no sense for him to do it. An electrical chip in his head can shape his behaviors so that he doesn't kill people, but it isn't going to make him love Buffy. Given that he has no soul, I find it odd that he would love the slayer as there seems to be some genetic code written into them that they should hate all who aren't demons. Forgiving that, then you have Harmony. One thing I never understood is why she all of a sudden wanted to go "green" (so to speak) with her feeding. Was that a Wolfram and Hart thing, did they tell her not to kill anymore (i.e. did they say that was the reason in the episode), because I really think it devillainizes the idea of being a true "vampire" if they all just give it up on a whim like that. (P.S. I bought season four of both Buffy and House).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Look at these crazy people challenging the season 1 featured topic.


 * That crazy continuity of Buffy. Gunn killed Angel? In a permanent capacity? I just always found it disturbing that these demonic beings would flip flop so easily. I'll probably wait again to start season 4, so that I don't finish it too soon and have to buy season 5 right away. Then again, I'm going to get Iron Man on Tuesday, so I may just pick up season 5 for the hell of it then.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well that's kind of shitty, with Gunn killing Angel and them going into the afterlife. I guess it would be worse if they do some cliched thing and bring him back as a vampire. I mean, maybe they'll bring him back but in a way that him and Buffy could have a real relationship. I believe that six is out for region 4, but seven has yet to be released for you guys.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I meant the situation, I haven't read the story so I couldn't pass judgement on that. It's been awhile since I saw the Buffy finale, but I don't recall there being a point where it was hinted that they could be together. Was it the part where Angel was going to wear that amulet thing that only the "Champion" could wear?

Yeah, but you get see why Clark becomes even more hestitant to tell her the second time, and I think even Chloe gets on him for not telling her (again), after he knows that she'd accept that fact. I was afraid of how Martha was going to react, but you have to remember that Clark was her miracle child, and she knew the circumstances surrounding Jonathan's death (not Lionel, but the deal with Jor-El). I love that part where she asks Clark if he had the chance did he really think he could have chosen between the two. Lana's car crash was great, in a "OMG" kind of way. People have accidents all the time in ''Smallville', but this was the first one where you really get to see someone bloodied and killed during it (not including Dante's death in "Velocity"). If you notice, not only was someone Clark loved going to die regardless in this episode, but in both instances a Luthor had a had (no matter how indirectly) in their demise. I though John Schneider had one of the best send-offs I've seen in television with his death, and then the funeral. Everytime I watch it, the Peter Gabriel's "I Grieve", and the snow...it's still sad to watch.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oooh. One could hope that in their fictional universe they can make something work.


 * Yeah, I know when I first saw it I was scream, "Just tell her, you can protect her this time around". It was annoying. Lana does eventually learn the truth, just not for awhile. I understand what you mean about Pete. In season seven, Pete returns and you learn that Clark attempted (off-screen) to keep in touch with him, but Pete basically blew him off in an effort to make sure no one could use him to find out Clark's secret ever again. That was the 100th episode. Those episodes have to be monumental, because they are for the history of the show.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You were supposed to feel like you were in Gotham City, as Mark Snow stole that Batman theme (Elfman's theme) when they showed the Angel of Vengeance. It isn't a great episode, but it gives some continuity. It let's you see that Jonathan's death is still affecting everyone. Lionel and Martha never have a "romantic" relationship. They develop a stronger friendship, and there is that hesitant kiss later on, but nothing ever occurs with it and you'll see why by the end of the season. That's good that you don't trust Lionel. I don't think anyone truly trusts him, given his shady history, even when he's helping he's always doing it from his POV and not from others. His methods are dispicable, even if he gets the job done. But, you'll get a bigger revelation about Lionel in season six; he's got a connection to John Jones.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Break 5
Lionel did redeem himself, and he constantly tries to continue, but he still has shady actions. He's trying to live his life like he normally does, so as not to draw suspicion from Lex, but at the same time that type of behavior makes him look like he's still got something up his sleeve. Lionel surrounds himself in mystery, and it's hard to get a read on him in the show, even into season seven. He does something pretty horrible in season seven, and it causes everyone to lose whatever trust they had in him, which just sends him down the deep end mentally.

Oh, Lionel totally has the hots for Martha. His comment that she reminded him of his wife Lilly was a clear indication of what he really thought of Martha. You're fear of him backstabbing Martha will be answered in the upcoming episode "Mercy". You'll get a better look at what Lionel is willing to do, and what he isn't willing to do.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah. Lionel is probably my favorite non-lead of the show. It would be him, and then Chloe in at a close second. I can't tell if that's the writing or John Glover, or both. I think the best thing that ever happened to Smallville was landing John Glover. He brings a completely different aspect of acting to the show, and usually steals every scene he's in. "Tomb" is ok. The one major thing that it really did was give you more insight in Chloe, and her troubled family life. You'll learn more about, and finally get to see (I don't count seeing someone's back) Chloe's mom in season six. I'm on a break from Buffy and I'm enjoying my other favorite TV character, who my friends say reminds them of me, and that would be the season four of House. I'm almost done with that though, because it only get 16 episodes in b/c of the Writers' strike.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know why they kept her hidden, but for the longest time you don't know that she suffered from a mental illness and that is why she was out of Chloe's life. I think that was something they discussed in season two to give Chloe a bit more depth, as you kind of see why she became the way she was (attached to people, especially in times of need...like with Lionel). As for House, well, I like Hughe Laurie's character because he reminds me of me, and reminds people of me (so they tell me), because he's sarcastic and blunt and just doesn't care...though, I'm not quite as misanthropic as he is. I like the show because it's hilarious at the same time that it is dramatic. It's not like Grey's Anatomy or something, because the real drama lies just about solely with House, though there are times when it affects others. You get to his this Vicadin addicted, brilliant doctor diagnose patients in a totally "I don't care if you like me" kind of way. I'd say, watch any episode (though, preferably the first couple as the pilot didn't have the same feeling as the rest of the show, but you learn a bit about House in it).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a narcassistic statement, but it doesn't make me a narcassis. I don't watch it on TV either. I buy the DVDs. Speaking of, I just finished the fourth season...the finale (a two parter) was awesome, especially the finale finale. It was really sad. I'll probably watch Forbidden Kingdom tonight and maybe start Buffy sometime this week.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I love Kung-Fu movies. Yeah, I need to pick up that movie too (but I enjoy it).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know why. The dialogue is typical Joss. Paul Ruben as Lefty is hilarious. Rutgar Hauer is always great as a vampire (I think he's done it like 3 or 4 times now). Donald Sutherland is a timeless actor (though, I recently read on the character page a quote from Whedon that gave me the impression that he didn't care for the actor). He's funny even when the movie sucks. Kristy Swanson...well, she's hot. lol. It isn't perfect, but neither is the television show. As for the "Merrick" cameo, I would have preferred Sutherland cameo, or at least someone that looked like him. Not the fat guy who got hit by a truck pulling out of his driveway, right after a failed suicide attempt, in Office Space.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

It was probably pretty accurate for L.A. back in the 90s. No, it's the name that Pike constantly refers to him as after he takes his arm off just before he crashes the van. I don't think Reubens was a pedo, but I know he was arrested for basically jerkin' off in a public place. I think there was a pedo allegation because of the images he collected from various times in photography history, but no formal charges were ever made. No respect for a brief appearance by Merrick in the show. He's only canon because Joss hated Sutherland, and like all writers, got his panties in a twist when the finished film version didn't come out the way he wanted. Typical. Whenever something turns to shit, most writers quickly do the "they changed my script, this isn't what I wanted". Then, when they direct and it turns out to be shit, you get the "This isn't my film, the producers changed everything". Face it, it's a team effort - it takes a team to make a movie, thus it takes a team to make a movie turn out shitty. I hear the same thing from David Goyer and Frank Miller for a lot of their stuff. There's always someone else to blame. It just annoys me when writers and directors think their so hot shit that whenever someone doesn't go well it isn't because they screwed up, it's because someone else screwed them over.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean he came to Buffy in season 8? Or did they do a comic book version of season seven as well? I'm not doubting that people take liberties with the script, and sometimes that goes sour, but it's a little much when you complain that the entire movie was ruined by either an actor or the director. Being talented does not make one unfallable. Plus, just because something reads well does not necessarily make it film well. Lots of things can look good on paper and look terrible on film, no matter how well they are executed. I've never heard of Extras, but I know who that actor is because he has a new movie coming out.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A lot of writers are sitting right there so that they can make changes when necessary. I have no idea where Joss was, and at that point in time he wasn't that well known to begin with. Nope, haven't seen the British or American version of The Office. I don't watch TV, remember. Few shows make their way into my sights, and that's usually threw DVDs and only select ones. It's rare for me to buy a comedy show (even comedy movies) because they tend to lose their luster. Not like a good action flick that was stupid originally, but the explosions are always fun. :D The only comedies I own are Everybody Loves Raymond and Seinfeld. But "comedies" I'm referring to sit-coms. Not something like Monk or House that has comedic elements. Well, Monk would be a close one, but definitely not House. Even then, I can't watch Raymond or Seinfeld over and over again; Monk either. Now that you mention it, I think I do know what Extras is. I think I ran across it awhile ago; I vaguely remember it on the TV when I was getting my hair cut one day. That's about where it ended for me, because I wasn't intrigued enough to go find it when I got home. The clip was funny though.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll put it on my list...with all the others. :D   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's the ironic thing. He sets them straight, but what you see in season six is that they've all embraced their destiny to help the world and Clark is still fumbling around wondering what to do. In season six, it becomes Ollie's mission to convince Clark that there is a bigger world out there than just Smallville, and that he cannot wait for people to come to his doorstep. But these DC characters are really just fodder at the moment. The real storyline for season five is General Zod. You should see a familiar face returning with your next episode, "Hypnotic".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've read it before. It's mostly an editor who is part of that Smallville ruined Superman for me crowd. I never give much though to it. At some point you have to stop and go, "hey, this isn't 'Superman', it's Smallville...if you don't like it, stop watching it."   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I get bored with most shows, hence why I buy them on DVD. All shows are better watched on DVD and in one sitting. I found the witch storyline interesting. It wasn't a high point of the series, but for all those people that complain that Lana never does stuff it certainly gave her something to do. Plus, it was an interesting tie to Clark's heritage. My g/f actually liked the storyline more than the Brainiac storyline. The witch arc allowed Kreuk to have a sexy storyline and be able to stretch her acting chops, which had been regulated to wallowing in self pity for almost 4 seasons. I just get tired of fans that think there is some "perfect" formula for putting Superman on the small screen (or big screen for that matter), and that we can please everyone. Personally, I've been satisfied thoroughly with the show's overall performance and direction. There's always up and down episodes and seasons, but no show can be perfect.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly. I avoided it because I thought it would damage the Superman mythology to me. I caught "Asylum" and loved it, and at that point I realized that if it's a good show then it's a good show and I can ignore the fact that they are taking their own route to the Superman legend (which I came to respect afterward). I think Superman fans have to realize that this isn't supposed to match some comic book storyline (which would be extremely difficult anyway given how many variations there are). I mean, hell, Metropolis has gone from being a half a day trip to being like an hour away (probably because they didn't realize how important the city was going to become when they first mentioned it). Who really cares. It's fictional. It isn't like watching House, where it's fiction but grounded in realistic stuf.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Precisely. I love the X-Men movies, though the last one lacked the human element that made the first two so good and I felt like some of the characters were doing things that were out of character, but the action was good in that one. God, the Bat-nipples. If that couldn't sink a ship, then Smallville couldn't possibly dream of doing that to Superman. Plus, Smallville is probably the best adapted and executed television (at least live-action) version of the Superman legend, regardless of whether you agree with their interpretations of the characters and storylines.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean about Batman and Robin. I remember when it first came out. I was really excited about Bane being in the movie, and then let down when the character was nothing more than a goon. He's supposed to be super intelligent in addition to this strength, that's what made him such a formidable foe (maybe they'll use him in a third Batman movie). Other than that (and an awesome cameo by John Glover..lol), I thought the movie was alright. It certainly wasn't as bad as Batman: The Movie. Then again, that film knew what it was and didn't try to play to any other tune. I think the only reason I would turn it on nowadays would be because of some memory from my childhood wanting me to relive the past -- kind of like how I enjoy films like The Monster Squad and Killer Klowns From Outer Space.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * LMAO. I think, when someone who is gay can step back and go "that shit was gay", somewhere down the production line for that film something went wrong. lol. Shumacher is openly gay, so the fact that he showed a lot of Batman's ass when he was putting on the Batsuit, and created those awful bat-nipples isn't really that shocking. I take that back. If you've ever seen The Lost Boys, you'll note that he tends to put a lot of homosexual symbolism in his films (not that that is necessarily a bad thing, but when you're not doing it to make a point but just because of your own fetishes, then you kind of gone a bit too far). I have nostaulgic memories of the old Adam West movie. It was something I had when I was growing up and used to love. I have a vivid memory of a shark attached to Batman's leg and him using one of his Bat-tools to get it to let go. LOL. I should probably buy that movie. Yeah, a Bruce Wayne should would have been nice, but I'd be curious as to what they would do with it. You certainly couldn't do a Smallville and have Batman's archnemesis be his best friend as a teen; there isn't any backstory on the Joker other than he just shows up one night. Other than Batman's personal trauma, I don't see a lot of real depth in the character as far as storylines when he's an adolescent goes. Oh yeah, I'm running over to Boggy's page to free him from that unspeakable horror of being blocked for no good reason (*rolls eyes*).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I would totally recommend it. It's an awesome 80s vampire film. It has some cheesy, but snappy dialogue, references to other horror movies. I think a lot of it has to do with Richard Donner having an influence on the film. Hey, don't diss the Aquaman show till you watch the pilot, which was pretty good. Aquaman would be much easier, because he doesn't really have a concrete backstory. You could easily manipulate of a lot of his backstory for a show. Bruce Wayne basically has that traumic death of his parents and then that's about it. Plus, Batman Begins basically covered his transformation into Batman well enough that a TV show wouldn't be warranted for like 10 or 15 years (or more). Didn't they have a live-action mutant show that was something similar to X-Men? Like Mutant X or something.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Decide for yourself. Yeah, but Mutant X is a Marvel production...so. lol.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with the "joint" template that was created by Matty Boon? It's just as slimmed down as the Buffy one you created.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Break 6
Ok, Parker was a borderline sociopath. The dude reminded me of Ted Bundy (without the raping of course). He was charming, attractive, new all the right things to say...all for the one purpose of getting Buffy into bed. He even kept up the charade the next morning. Though, it makes me wonder if that was the original plan for Parker, or if they realized that they were going to be doing more important stuff with Riley and they couldn't have so many male leads in Buffy's life at the same time. BTW, Buffy has a lot more sex in it than Smallville..lol. Everyone is having sex. I did like how they tied all three women together in their emotional journeys in that episode. But, something that Harmony said made me realize there there is a huge problem with vampires having sex. I can't believe I missed this back in season two, but if your heart doesn't beat then you cannot have an erection. An erection is caused by the flow of blood, which must be pumped (i.e. from the heart). If you're heat isn't beating then you aren't getting an erection to have sex. So...it makes you wonder exactly what they're doing.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * His lack of remorse for what he did, his ability to create false emotions in order to manipulate others...that's borderline sociopathic tendencies. I'm only on the final episode of the first disc. Everyone was "shagging" in the moment (Buffy/Parker; Harmony/Spike; Anya/Xander). It would have been an orgy if not for the important fact that none of them were actually in the same room. I vaguely remember the follow up story in Angel. Wacky mystical physiology? WTH? That's your explaination for everything. Nothing seems grounded in actual scientific possibility. lol. You got season 6, awesome. Too bad season seven isn't out in region 4 yet. Where are you in season five?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. that's kind of gross. I love the part where Anya was like, "then I'll be able to put you behind me....figuratively". If SMG had such a problem with it, she should have fought to get it cut. I explain Clark's ability to fly and shoot heat from his eyes by his completely A-L-I-E-N biological structure, and a well established background of such; not some loop hole of..."oh yeah, that can't really happen with human bodies...hmm, well it's just mystical". The vampires were once human, thus, they have human bodies. "Void" is the Flatliners homage/rip-off for Smallville, but on a plus side you get a special, special-guest star in that episode.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * See, there Joss goes again. Why don't they have human bodies? I didn't see any body swapping going on when they were turned? Same body they had before they became a vampire. The fact that the turn to dust, or have superhuman strength is because they attained demonic "souls" (I couldn't find a more appropriate term)...comes with the territory. When you destory the demon you destory the body, thus the body expires in the same manner that the demon does. ;) I think Superman's flying has been explained in different forms (depending on the source). In the films, it was that his body was so much more dense (or maybe lack of dense) that one Earth's gravity he was able to defy it. That was a little cooky, becuase he'd be floating around all the time. I think a lot of continuities explain it as a form of telekinesis, but over his body. If you remember in "Vortex" (the season two premiere), Clark is talking to Jonathan about being in the tornado and how he felt like he was "willing himself" toward the truck. When he said that, it made me think that they are taking that route (a form of telekinetic ability...but maybe not "true" telekinesis, since he isn't moving other objects with his mind).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Spider-Man's body was modified on a genetic level. The spider bite changed his DNA, but he still kept all of his bodily functions. If a vampire's "heart" does not beat, blood cannot flow. Remember, when Angel was poisoned he was poisoned with a mystical poison (that's how it "traveled" through his system). Because strength is enhanced, and erection is an actual function that requires certain other functions to still be in existence.


 * Do I think F13 is one coherent universe? Clearly not since they retconned Jason's death in the second film. I think the films kept a generally decent continuity level up until Jason Goes to Hell. At the point, and from then on, he just "was alive". They stopped picking up where the previous films left off, thus destroying continuity.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Bad Beer" was pretty funny. It was ridiculously stupid, but funny nonetheless.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  06:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Because, the films actually explain how he got those things. You didn't see him get bit and then start sticking to walls. You saw his body physically change (more muscular), you saw the tiny hairs (like a spider) grow from his fingers (and I assume all extremities) which allow him to cling to walls, and you saw the actual spot that the webbing mannefisted from. Buffy on the other hand has never explained exactly how vampires can defy their own biologicial make-up (i.e. not having a heartbeat, but still getting a boner).


 * I don't know if I consider them all canon. Though they don't explain his resurrection, they certainly don't negate each other. Though, the timeline for FvJ is sketchy, because I think Jason was picked up by the research facility Jason X well before 2008, that was merely the year we came into the story.


 * Well, alcohol is bad. :D I didn't say it was a great episode, I merely said it was funny (to me). Come on, SMG pounding her chest and saying "Buffy strong" was hilarious. Xander's line was priceless as well. I was really worried about Willow there for a second, but totally loved how she was, "Do you really think I'm that fucking stupid (translated from "that gullable", but that's what she was really thinking). Or the end, "That's your scary costume?......"Bunnies frighten me" (that line by Anya was funny because it was cute watching her say it in a pitiful manner). P.S. What are your thoughts on how this is coming along?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Really floating. I think Parker really got his due when Riley hit him. Nothing says, "no your place" like a punch to the face. I have a couple of season two reviews. I have to go research for them since I lost my stash of reviews for all the seasons when I bought a new computer.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

It's ALL canon :) Especially in a series with more than one author. What's all this about realism by the way? Stan Lee did the best he could in the 1960s, even if toxic waste would kill you instead of blinding you but leaving all the other senses super. Alientraveller (talk) 21:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A universe is allowed to make up its own rules and I had trouble with science lessons so sci-fi has to be really bad for me to smell nonsense. Norse gods aren't eternal like the Abrahamic God by the way: they keep their eternal youth by eating apples from Iðunn. I guess it is a bit like religion then: you believe what you like, since (ideally) it's not hurting anyone. Alientraveller (talk) 21:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Arthur C. Clarke and Tolkien noted magic is indistinguishable from advanced science. You're right: Doctor Who is like a religious metaphor, whereas Star Trek is very humanistic. Alientraveller (talk) 21:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've never punched someone in the face. Fortunately/unfortunately (depending on your POV I guess), I've never actually had someone come up to me for a physical confrontation - not since like grade school and I don't count those silly moments in time...even then, a fight never actually occurred. I think it's a combination of the writing and the actor, but I don't really think Riley is that great of a character. He has some moments, but, like you said, you cannot really care about him.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I like that about him, but that doesn't mean that I like the character completely. Fans hated him that much? BTW, how did Spike break out of the Initiative if he had his chip? He seemed to be swinging full punches, yet Riley said that he couldn't bite anyone or "hardly hit" anyone either. Seems like a hole in the episode itself. Does the chip not work while in the facility?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I love that scene with him and Willow. I like how she tries to comfort him and then realizes, "what the hell am I doing".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Trying to find the best representation of Clark's heat vision from season two (since that's where it was introduced). I'm going to use 2 images. First, I'm using this image to illustrate what they did with his iris. Then, I need to find the best image out of these--1, 2, 3, 4--to illustrate the heat ripple that they created for the effect. What do you think (this goes for anyone else reading)?  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  15:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, 4 had the most clearly seen SFX, but I think I won't crop it. If I crop it, I'll end up cutting out a large portion of the heat vision, and I think that will actually make it harder to see the actual effect. Thanks for the suggestions.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just finished the cropping and edit work. The image will look like this. What do you think?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you said his "left shoulder". Did you mean his "right shoulder", which is on the left side of the image?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, take a look. The images are in. It still needs copyediting, and I need to go through the crew information from the book (I forgot to on my original read through for info..but it won't be that much..never is), plus I have to go through the episode commentaries. The commentaries will probably have the same info, they really have more than the books, but I'll be able to swap out some references with the DVDs.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The color scheme for both were already set. They are the color scheme for the DVD box...just like the season 1 article. Season two is a navy blue (hence the episode titles being in that color...though, the actual color is deeper blue than actually looked good in the table), with light blue being used as a contrast color. All of the season articles (and the LOE page) are color schemed based on the box colors of the DVD boxsets. Look at the other pages: Smallville (season 3), Smallville (season 4), Smallville (season 5)...and so on. I guess it looks "bland" compared to season one because those quoteboxes are already naturally the same color as the color we used for the contrast. They don't stand out as much as that peachish (orangish) color used in the season one article. They'll stand out more with the other pages, as those are a little richer in color.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I updated the lead, tell me what you think. Also, quick question. What is the point of this page if we have the character list page as well as the individual articles? Second, how often do they actually call themselves that? I saw Xander use it the first time, and then Willow says "Scooby squad" (or something to that effect) in "I in Team", but that was it. Does it become a prominent thing used in later episodes? Regardless, my first question is more Wiki related, my second is more personal curiousity/Wiki relevance.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, if you're ripping me off it's only because I ripped off Characters of Kingdom Hearts. :D I haven't heard Spike use it yet (and I'm at the tail end of DISC 4). Xander did use it for a second time, so far. Are you going to look at whether or not those characters (main ones) that have articles really warrant them? Riley has an article, and for the life of me, I don't really see where he is going to actually warrant one.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll be curious as to what you can find, because, other than what I've seen you do for Buffy, Faith and Angel, right now none of those articles would pass either of the notability guidelines (or NOR and PLOT). Twilight seems like he'd barely fill a section on the character list, let alone a whole article on him. Fromw hat I see in his article, none of those sources are really discussing him, he's just getting a passing mention.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed. That's Cordelia, and I don't doubt quite a few characters will warrant articles. It's more characters like Oz, Tara, and Anya (just from Buffy) that I find difficulty believing will warrant articles once all the crap is taken out of them. I know they are popular, but do they really have the real world information. I don't know how Joss and his crew handle devulging information on all of their characters, and who gets how much notice by them in the real world. Omit Twilight? I didn't say omit him, I said that he'd probably be best for the list page...which, btw, you might want to focus on a list for just the TV series and then a list for the comic book (if you hadn't already decided on that). The reason being, there are far too many characters from both sides...that list would be huge. Just look how large the Smallville list is, and that was only from the TV series and does even include people that don't have real world information on them (all those that don't are regulated to that real "list" at the bottom of the page). Oh yeah, you asked about "Hush" last time and I forgot to answer. I had seen it before, and I wasn't extremely impressed with it. I thought it was a good episode, but not "amazing". I appreciated the idea of having half of the episode contain no dialogue among the actors. I also liked the thematic element of Buffy and Riley needing so badly to talk to each other, and when they finally get their chance (at the end) they both sit in silence. The Gentlemen were certainly creepy, but I wasn't impressed to the point that I felt like the show was robbed of the "Original Writing" Emmy it was nominated for.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If anything, my digs were apprehension towards her being able to have an article. Zythe seems to be doing a fair job of proving she can. I haven't read it (just glanced at it), but it seems just fine. What you have to remember is the context in which they are discussed. Is Tara always discussed in association with Willow? I don't see a lot with her character beyond her relationship arc with Willow. Smallville is based on an already established character, Buffy is not (the film notwithstanding). Was it more creative than anything Smallville ever did? Eh, that's based on your definition of creativity. Is it more original than the Smallville episodes, probably..again, because after season one, everything began to focus more on the Superman mythology and less on monster of the week episodes. Plus, you have to remember that a lot of the Buffy writers and directors came over to Smallville, so there is reason why a lot of Smallville looks like a rip-off of Buffy. Now, if you define creativity by thematical elements that link among all the characters in a less obvious way (sorry, Buffy throws those things in your face and they couln't be more obvious that the same thing was affecting all the characters in their own way), then I say Smallville gets the award. Smallville, IMO, seems to be better with subtling linking one theme amongst the characters in an episode, or across storylines than Buffy, and I think being able to do it subtly is much more creative than having the characters damn near recite the same lines almost verbatum of each other to show that they are all doing the same thing. If you define it by how overall interesting, and unique characters (original ones), then I'd go with Buffy. One, because all of Buffy contains original characters, thus making it harder to make them all unique...unlike Smallville that has far less original characters, so they have less to worry about. That being said, I would pit Chloe and Lionel (and possibly even Lex, if you look at him from the perspective of "original take" on the character) against anyone over on Buffy. Now, if we define it be one's ability to creatively link the visuals of the show with the tone of the scene...I'd go with Smallville. I have never seen a show that used colors to express emotions, atmospheres and even status (good or evil) as much as Smallville and do it so beautifully. So, creativity is purely subjective. :D


 * I didn't find it scary (obviously, that's a tainted opinion since I don't find anything scary). Like I said, I thought the Gentlement were creepy looking and I loved the music (I caught a wiff of Elfman style themes going on there). I appreciated the idea of how scary it would be if monsters came in and took away everyone's voice. You'd never be able to know when you were in danger. The suspense just wasn't there for me.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Break 7
That's why I question whether she will really be able to hold her own article, or if she'd be better placed on both a section of the character page and a section on the Willow page.

I think Buffy's radically different stories sometimes work to its disadvantage. It often gets in the way of the main storyarc. Yes, they can be fun, but when I can take out half of the season because they were filler episodes it kind of shows that they aren't putting a lot of energy into their primary story. Speaking of whining, I think Buffy does that enough over Angel. It isn't as constant as Clark with Lana (which, thankfully isn't a problem here in season eight :D ), but she has a whiny attitude about things in general (a pointed noted in the closing Faith arc by Faith herself...well, Faith in Buffy's body).

What realistic death are you referring to? Probably Tara's. Realistic? I don't know about that. The probability of what's his face's bullet actually hitting Tara (even his blind firing wasn't even aimed near the actual window) and it magically hitting her in the chest (was that the same bullet that killed JFK). I'll take Jonathan Kent's heart attack as more realistic, and a lot closer to home for viewers (i.e. more people lose their parents to natural causes than lose their friends to random shootings...as the number one killer is heart disease). It is an emotional scene, but I'd argue one the realism of said events.

Not all of Buffy's themes are "powerful", but they all tend to be obviously shared among all of the characters. It seems that whenever one thing is happening to one person, it's happening to the others as well. I admit, Smallville''s taste for the Superman references can get annoying, even to a die-hard fan like myself. I think that comes more with how they deliver some. There are a lot times that they abandon that subtle nature they have and throw it in your face, like Lois's line about "having a nightmare about a dude in a red cape". Completely stupid from that POV of the episode. I don't have a problem with the clothes, because it gives an establishment to why Clark chooses to make those colors into his suit...because they're his favorite - their bright, vibrant, and since he's a good 'ol farmboy they also represent America. Again, season eight diverges from the clothing line and he's wearing actual suits to the Daily Planet now (season eight seems to be a lot like Buffy season seven...the shake up).

As far as visual go, I need only point to the numerous nominations and awards for their cinematogrpahy. If they win anything every year, it's typically something for their visual (whether cinematography or visual effects).

I remember the Adam storyline. It's alright. Again, the suspense isn't there. I found Angelus's attack on Buffy's friends and family far more suspenseful than "Hush".  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The moment in "The Zeppo" was funny. I just got done with "Superstar". It started out hilarious, quickly became annoying (as I wondered if there was going to be some huge plot hole or if it was just Jonathan doing a spell...it turned out the latter, obviously) and got better at the end.


 * Smallville can't do "self-depricating", by it's nature that would ruin the show. The closest you get are those Superman (I mean the films) moments. Like, when Chloe makes the joke in "Reckoning" about Clark spinning the Earth backwards on its axis to reverse time (her mocking tone is as more "self" depricating of the source material). There's a moment in season seven where Clark and Oliver are talking about Lois and whether she will ever be able to be with someone like Oliver (someone with dual identities) and Oliver makes the comment along the lines of, "Not unless the Earth opens up and swallows her" (another reference to the same movie). There are times when they are paying homage to Superman lore, and other when they are straight mocking it. That's about as close as you can come because the show's nature is not comedy.


 * You have to look at Lana and Lex for that matter from their POVs. It was never that they "didn't figure it out", it's that they never 100% knew. Lana isn't as stupid as you're seeing her. She and Lex have always known there was something going on with Clark and their initial suspicions have always been "meteor freak". But, every time someone goes to test him there is always some plot contrivinces that make Clark human at the time, thus making him appear just a normal kid. Plus, unless you're straight setting him up, exactly how do you catch a guy in the act who is faster than the speed of sound? There are too many coincidenses around him not to suspect something (and it's clear from Lana and Lex's reactions to him that they DO suspect, they just don't have any proof).


 * Plus, it's actually following Superman lore. In other words, it's always the people closest to Clark that fail to see who he really is, because they simply just don't want to believe it. Lois denied it for years because it just "couldn't be".


 * Oh yeah, I forgot about Joyce's death. That always seemed so random on the show (but I haven't seen all of that season, so maybe it wasn't). I remember the episode. To me, Joyce's death wasn't as beautiful as Jonathan's. Joyce died for no apparent reason (which makes it horrific, yes), but Jonathan died protecting his son, which makes it more noble and in my opinion better.


 * Not true. He has the blue jacket with the red shirt. :D He also wears a lot of regular flannal, and I think in the first couple of seasons (especially in season one) he wore regular colored shirts. It's only as he got older that he started regulating himself to strictly blue and red (with the occassional white while working on the farm).


 * I think SMG did a better job of portraying Faith, than ED did of portraying Buffy. To me, until the dialogue exchange with Giles, ED just seemed like Faith.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, just wait till the end of season five. Lana is going to make a choice that is seriously going to affect her relationship with Clark AND Lex. Blame Jason's demise on Ackles getting his own show. He was supposed to be in season five. Plus, Smallville's' forgetting things is on par with Buffy. They'll make reference to something in the past, a character or an event, in some random episode but that's a fault of all TV. You cannot spend your 42 minutes discussing the past. With limited time you have to focus on your current story.


 * I've got 4 episodes left, so you might find out today what I think.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Look at you, trying to cheat by looking at the Wiki article. :) I said it affects Clark, but I didn't say to what degree or in what way. Trust me, it's there in the article, just not written like "Lana's decides to...". I would say, don't read the article, but watch the episodes. You've undoubtably seen where Lana has been heading since Clark refused to tell her his secret in "Reckoning" on the second goround.


 * I don't think he was supposed to have such an Eidapol (sp) complex, that was just a way to get rid of the character because Ackles was leaving for Supernatural. I think by the end of season four, she really didn't have the "love" for Jason that she had initially, because she had learned that he was using her the whole time for his mother. That's probably why she didn't mourn him like one would assume. I did appreciate the fact that they didn't forget him or Alicia in "Mortal", when Clark and Lana are about to get busy.


 * I don't know why they wouldn't accept Tara's death. I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but I don't really care about her. I find her low self-esteem, closed-off nature annoying for TV. It's one thing when you have Willow like that, another when you take the self-consciousness of Willow (from earlier seasons) and multiply it by ten. It was sound when you first met Tara (how the Wicca group basically ignored her), but now it's just annoying. Speaking of, how the hell did she go from "in the dark" to knowing everything that is going on in the Scooby world? She's obviously the first time she and Willow attempt to do that spell to locate demons (when she fakes the spell), but it seemed like she learned "the truth" off screen at some unspoken time. I didn't appreciate that. It would be like Lana finally learning Clark's secret over the summer...unfortunately, it was during the summer that no one filmed and thus she starts a new season already knowing the secret. Another thing, did you notice that Willow and Tara's relationship seemed almost too seamless? They had never actually established Willow as bisexual (not counting that joke about Vamp Willow), and yet there seemed to be no awkward situations between the two into their transitional relationship. No one stopped and went, "Hey, when did you become a lesbian?...not that there's anything wrong with that". Unless they haven't officially become a couple, in which case everyone else would need to be complete idiots not to notice (especially given Faith's comments to Tara at the Bronze) how they are around each other.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * She was "in the dark" about who Buffy was. It seemed to magically disappear off screen. I'm not saying they need cliched moments, I'm saying that it never seemed to dawn on Willow what she was feeling. It seemed strange, especially from someone who was Jewish. I've seen a lot of people "realize" they were gay, and it usually comes with some key moment where they have an epifani (sp). I just found it hard to believe that she wouldn't stop and go, "Wow, I never would have thought that". I bring up her Jewish heritage because she seemed to make it a point to note that when they were talking about Christmas one year (so she's clearly a practicing Jew).


 * "Bloody Hell". LMAO. Yeah, I realized afterward that no one actually knew...which leads me back to my initial theory that they all must be either blind as bats or just plain idiots. I don't know. Maybe it's just me and my ability to see when people are passing along real affection and not just simple flirtation or meaningless friendship stuff, but I thought it was plain as day when watching how they respond to each other when they are all together. I mean, even Faith noticed it.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahah, that's my point. There was never a moment when Tara acknowledges knowing anything of the sort before hand. She said her mother was a witch, but that does not necessarily mean she knows about all of the other dark creatures that exist, or about the Slayer. There was never a, "Oh, I've heard about you" kind of moment...or even a, "Yeah, I've had experience with other worldy creatures, none if this is really new to me". It just bugged me, because I felt like that was the first time they tested the waters of introducing a character without explaining a lot about her (the second time being Dawn, who eventually did get an explaination).

Ah, but pay attention to the physical contact between the two. In the episode where Riley and Buffy and locked in the throngs of passion ("Where the Wild Things Are"), she rubs Tara's leg, and Tara freaks out. Now, even if you chock that up to the possession of the house, notice how no other character (main or extra) exhibited any homosexual contact in the house - thus, it goes to suggest that Willow either knew what she was doing, or was predisposed to do that because she was having those feelings and never confronted them. The point is, there was never a moment when she went, "Yeah, I guess I am". It seemed "too" natural for her character. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen in real life, or that it couldn't happen on a TV show and feel "natural"..but for her character, I felt like it was odd that she wouldn't stop and acknowledge her feelings before hand. I don't believe that her first acknowledgment to herself came when she admitted to loving Tara in "New Moon Rising". To me, that acknowledgment was more Willow admitting just how deep her love was, and this just wasn't some passing fling. If she had it off screen, then it goes along with what I was saying about Tara - there are just some thing that need to be dealt with on-screen.

I'll grant you that they could have been too emersed in themselves to pay attention to Willow (I can attest to growing apart from your best friend when you leave to go to college), but I think that plays into how many they ALL take EACH OTHER for granted - especially Buffy taking Willow, Xander, and Giles for granted. Which, interestingly enough, always seems to happen when she has a boyfriend. She abandons them for the "new feeling".

Quick note. Upon watching Spike join forces with Adam I identified a big hole in this "Adam is a supercompter genius" characterization. If he was so smart, why exactly did he not pull Spike's chip out immediately? Here's the idea. Spike wants the Slayer dead, but he cannot hurt her with the chip in his head. The Slayer knows this, and thus is not afraid of Spike attempting anything around her. Removing the chip creates an easy access to kill her, as Spike can get right beside her and stab her in the back. Simple. I understand that he has this grand plan, and all, but it's easier to kill her first and then try and find a solution to your ultimate plan.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I just finished "Primeval", and Willow's comment of "I was afraid to come clean with you all" makes her lack of acknowledgment on screen all the more odd. Apart from not introducing Tara to her friends earlier, she never actually shows any sign that she is afraid of what they will think. She doesn't appear nervous when talking about where she's been, or even that her friends "suspect" something. Her reactions are as if everyone knows and it's ok (which is how life should be led, but given her comments to Buffy in "Primevil" it's odd). Speaking of "Primevil", that felt like it should have been the finale. I have vague memories of "Restless" (which I haven't watched it...will in a few minutes), but from what I can remember I feel like IT should have been the season five premiere.


 * After I said that about Adam, I watch "Primevil" and when Buffy says she doesn't do tricks he just goes, "Kill her". What the hell?! All the more reason to have had Spike kill her initially. Idiocracy abounds with Adam. I love how you pointed to Austin Powers (which crossed my mind as well, and also had Seth Green in it). I have to admi, the scene where Buffy stops the bullets was probably the show's (at this point) best special effects work. Usually they aren't that great, but that was well done.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really the same thing. She was less "uh" and more straight lie. Come on its Willow. She worries about everything, and we never get a scene with her worrying about what her friends will think? Seriously.


 * Was it me, or did they foreshadow Dawn in the first episode that Faith came back? When they were making the bed, Faith is like, "Yeah, you gotten get ready for your sister" (or something to that effect). Anyway, season four was good. I wasn't entirely impressed with everyone (new characters mainly), but I felt like it was more consistent than season three ones. You remember, I felt like Faith should have been introduced later instead of wasting the character in episodes where she doesn't appear for so long. Is it the weakest...I cannot say because I haven't seen the rest. I don't think it has the best primary villain arc (Angel was best in season two, and the Mayor beats out Adam and his idiotic plan). But that consistency plays into a helping hand. If it's the weakest, then it isn't by a landslide victory.


 * I tend to pick apart plot holes in everything when I feel they are obvious (don't worry too much about it...I do it to things that I enjoy as well...even Smallville). Remember my rant about Superman Returns (and I'm a die-hard Superman fan). I don't have season five yet. I just got my $50 gift certificate to Best Buy, so I'll probably go buy it here eventually. I may wait till The Incredible Hulk comes out and buy them together...or I may go buy it tomorrow after my exam.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, well that was a more hidden message. I meant a more overt one, but good to know. I certainly wouldn't have remembered that later. Yes, it was 7:30. Had I read your message before I watched the episode, I would have been like, "Hey, 730 again!". LOL. Season seven will probably be full price there, so I'd wait and see if I could catch it on special sale or something, if I were you.


 * I finished "Restless". That was a good episode, but again, I really think it would have been better as a premiere. It isn't a full cliffhanger, but still leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Ok, what the hell was up with the dude with the cheese? Other than the fact that Buffy loves cheese...I didn't understand him. Was he meant only to be surrealistic in nature, or did he have some great purpose that I'm not getting because I'm not that up-n-up on Buffy lore? I assume that the room Buffy was staring into at the end of the episode was Dawn's, and not her's. It wasn't actually clear that it wasn't her's (unless you've mapped out the schematics of the house).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * My favorite part was Xander's: "Sometimes I dream about two girls doing spells. Then I do a spell by myself." LMAO, I was rolling. Plus, his reaction to the off-screen sexual drama of Willow and Tara.


 * Willow evil again? Sigh. So, does Oz pop up in the comics?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, it was hilarious, especially with Oz's expression following it. I'll pass on the reading. I'd probably be lost and have to read each of the issues and then I'd still probably be lost. How's Smallville coming?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if I'll ever get season eight. Like you said, I'm not big into the general comic book reading. If it came out with a paperback edition, with all the issues, then I'd probably look into it. No, I haven't bought any of the graphic novels or paperbacks of any of the characters in my wishlist. They're about $13 a piece, and I'm going to be having some holidays coming up here soon - which means travelling. I may buy one or two, but I'm not sure which ones yet.

South Park is more watchable? Do you mean less brain power to watch? I lost interest in that show after the first couple of seasons. It's gotten as tiresome as The Simpsons have to me, which I stopped watching when I was a kid.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanksgiving I'll be heading to the g/f's family's house. Then Christmas we'll be going my parent's house. Plus, my parents are coming down for the FSU game against Virginia Tech in a couple of weeks.


 * The jokes are just tiresome. I mean, the topics obviously change with the current events, but it got old seeing the same formula replicated over and over again. I enjoy the movie, just not the TV show anymore. It has its moments, but even my friend who loves South Park says the show is going into the dumps.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * BS. I would guarantee that if Clark put on the suit there would be people saying the show jumped the shark, and they would be the same people that were clamoring for him to get the suit in the first place. If you follow the actual definition--"Jumping the shark is a colloquialism used by TV critics and fans to denote that point in a TV show or movie series' history where the plot veers off into ridiculous story lines or out-of-the-ordinary characterizations, undergoing too many changes to retain the original appeal of the series"--Smallville hasn't done that. Every character on the show has had a steady transition to their current position, and you see all the things that send them down their paths. I think whenever interest just starts to wain people automatically say, "Jumped the Shark".


 * Just because the show might not have its original appeal does not mean it jumped the shark. Look at what the votes on Smallville jumping the shark are about. None of them actually equal the definition, with maybe the exception of Lois, Lana and Chloe becoming witches, but that was a single episode and they still didn't even meet the criteria for jumping the shark. Jumping the shark would be if Clark was whinning about not wanting to fulfill his destiny, and then at the start of the new season, for no apparent reason he just wants to become Superman. That would be a dramatic characterization change that would equate to the show jumping the shark. In season eight, Clark does want to fulfill his destiny, but there are events in season seven (specifically in the finale), which he talks about in the season eight opener to Martian Manhunter, that make him decide to stop running from his destiny.


 * I read some comments on there, and people are talking about Lois being "enamored" with Clark. Again, I hate it when people cannot see what is really there and start assuming it's all instaneous. First, you can tell Lois has some attraction to Clark from the start, HELLO, constantly punching him? I don't know about Scotland (not directly at you, but trying to relate to someone from another country), but when you're a kid you display your affection by hitting those you like (not your parents). Lois never got a chance to really grow up, she had to live with General Lane (establish in "Lucy" more predominently that she never had a real childhood), so it's easy to see why she never would have realized that when you want people to know that you like them that you don't hit them. Her sassy barbs to Clark, and his to her as well, are the same thing (plus, his reaction in season four when Lana assumes they are together is a good indicator that he's thought about her in that capacity, as he went on the immediate defensive). The fact that they keep being there for each other to comfort each other in a time of loss (whether love life or family), it's going to make people grow closer. Since Lana was around, why would Lois show how she is feeling...she knows that Clark is stuck on Lana and it would never happen. It makes sense that once Lana is gone from Clark's life that (though I don't think she's looking for a date) she would be a bit more open to herself about the possibility.


 * Sorry about the rant, but to me, that's just one example of idiots who have no idea how to interpret development in a character. I don't know if you've ever experienced that with the fans of Buffy.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Shippers"??


 * I see Buffy as constantly growing. Buffy herself is steadly growing out of her whiny phase and into a more responsible adult (though, she still has flashes of those early season annoyances...for instance, how many times does she have to learn that this whole "no, I have to do this alone" always ends badly for everyone. It's like Clark constantly doing the "I won't follow my destiny", which typically results in Martha losing her child, Jonathan's death, etc etc...though, those things help shape the character as does Buffy's, you still have to wonder how thick these protagonists have to be sometimes).


 * I've told you this before. The only time I want to see the suit is in the series finale, because it would mean that the show reached the point that it had intended to reach from the start - the beginning of "Superman". I think non-blood brother/sisterly affection has deeper roots in real romantic affection. I think that the "brother/sister" thing is a mask that people wear in order to hide the truth, probably for a specific reason (e.g. they're afraid the other person doesn't like them; they're involved with someone else and feel bad for some hidden feelings they may have for someone else; etc). Buffy, Willow and Xander have that type of relationship, and look at the result. Xander was really in love with Buffy and Willow was in love with Xander (Buffy seems like the odd man out, since she wasn't in love with either of them, but I think the Willow/Xander thing is more of a testiment to my point). I'm not saying this is 100% accurate, as there is nothing in the world that is 100%, just that probabilistically, there's a good bet that there are some feelings hidden deep down when people behave that way. I think, each person might be thinking to themselves, "Well, if I joke around with them and treat them like their my sibling, then maybe no one will notice".   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. Yeah. If you read those comments on the Smallville page you gave me, quite a few were like, "kill Lana, make Clark and Chloe get together".

I don't know if I would be keen on her growing into Faith (ala robbing banks and letting people die). I always prefer my heroes to try and save everyone, even when they cannot. Call me old fashioned. ;) But, to each his own. Some people prefer the more anti-hero heroes nowadays.

I got season 5 today, along with five other films. When I checked the recent I saw that I got it for $19, even though it was listed on the box at $35. Had I known it was on sale (there were no signs around, I checked, because other shows had signs) then I would have at least picked up season six along with it. Oh well. Right now I'm on a House fix (starting the series from the top).  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think having her rob banks and letting innocent people die would be too much for me. I don't see how leading people, who are generally capable but not entirely trained, into potential death is the same as letting defenseless people suffer just so you can follow some vampires to their nest. To me, you save the people, kill all but a few vampires and then follow the flee-ers.


 * I got True Lies, Constantine, Hellboy, Happy Gilmore and Unleashed.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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Oh, so this was a recent event that was shown? Maybe they will. I saw Unleashed awhile ago, it's actually pretty good. I'm generally not a fan of Jet Li movies (The One was horrible, same with Romeo Must Die). I enjoyed Unleashed. If you get a chance you should check it out. Hellboy is alright. I rate it better than Constantine on a coherent storyline scale. I rate Constantine's cinematography higher though. I bought them because I needed them for my comic book movie collection. I still have to get Catwoman, for the purpose of what it is, though I'll probably order that one online. I don't think I'd be caught dead buying it in public. True Lies is awesome. My favorite part is when he's drugged up and he's telling JLC that they're going to die, and then when the doctor comes in he explains how he's going to kill everyone.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, all the accents are straight British. I think it just takes place there, not even Morgan Freeman or his daughter have either accent. I don't own "every" comic book movie, but I own 34 of them, which includes 3 based on graphic novels, and the Masters of the Universe film that is based on the mini-comics that were released alongside the original toyline (I don't include Transformers in the list because their comic line came after their toyline, whereas He-Man's came at the same time). That also includes sequels to films. Yes, Catwoman is that bad. If you're familiar with the character, it's even worse. Go on YouTube and see if you can find some clips.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If we're talking about just movies (not including all my TV shows, and the fact that I have some DVDs that have multiple movies on them), I have 600+...I don't have an exact figure, but I know how many I have based on how full my DVD shelves are. Hey, He-Man is from my childhood. It's bad, but to me it's bad in a good way.


 * Catwoman, where to start. From a comic book perspective, they completely obliterated the actual origin of the character. She IS NOT the character from the Batman comics. There is a horrendous exchange of dialogue among the characters. We won't get into that costume. There are huge plot holes in the story, specifically with how the villain becomes a villain, which is that the cosmetic creme that she has created and been marketing has made her super strong (both in brute strength and in durability). Unfortunately, she dies because she slips and falls from the top of a building (shattering). Not to mention the fact that if the creme really did that with prolonged use, why aren't there more super-powered people out there. Trust me, you need to watch it for yourself, and experience the cringe first hand. Even Berry acknowledges that the movie was horrible (read up on some more criticism).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I buy mine in bulk as well, but it's more compulsion than price. I have 17 different TV shows, only 4 of which have completed their television runs. Plus, that doesn't include Angel, which I haven't started yet, or The Office and Rescue Me, which my g/f wants to start watching.


 * When I first saw Catwoman, I went in to it with an open mind. I wasn't thinking it was as horrible as critics thought, because I find that with certain genres critics think all of the movies in those genres suck (like horror for instance). I finished that film thinking it was worse than Daredevil and Elektra combined. I just despised the film. The acting was shitty, especially coming from oscar winners (it was like they felt they had to camp it up because it was a comic book film, in which case they tanked the "camp" effect). It's been a long time since I saw it, but I don't recall a lot of redeeming factors in it that could make me think, "eh, it sucks, but in a good way". It's no Killer Klowns from Outer Space or Chopping Mall, if that's what you were thinking about when you said I usually have an open mind with bad movies. Also, even though it isn't "Selina Kyle", it is "Catwoman", so to speak. They changed the name, and everything else about the character, but the film IS a DC Comics adaptation. It wasn't like they merely licensed the title rights out.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been seeing the first Short Circuit on sale in the stores here as well. I just don't want to buy it unless I can get Short Circuit 2 alongside it. Did you check out the Rescue Me page? It's along the same line as The Shield - gritty, realistic (to a point), dramatic and shocking. I love The Shield and it's usually compared favorably to it, so I might give it a shot, especially since The Shield is ending this season.


 * Ah, but that's just it. There difference is that Zombie took Carpenter's film and basically just changed the events and added some details. That isn't the same thing as taking the name "Michael Myers" and writing a completely new film that in no way resembles the source material. That is what the Catwoman people did. They tried to steal a couple of things from both Batman Returns (like Hallie Berry falling from a great height and a bunch of cats being the one to revive her), but so many other things were just out there. I have no problem giving the character actual powers, it was all in the delivery. You shouldn't take a name and abandon everything else associated with that name just because you want to use the name itself to sell more tickets. Trust me, you need to see it to really appreciate how awful this movie is and why there is so much criticism against it.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's an All region version of the DVD. Here's a region 2 version.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I buy a lot of stuff over the internet. It's secure, so long as 2 things are secure. First, you need to trust the website. Never buy things from a website that a) looks cheap b) doesn't advertise safe online payments and c) doesn't have a history of successful business. The second thing you need is a secure computer. Doesn't matter how secure the site is if you're computer has already been infilitrated by spyware. If your computer is up to date on all its shots, and has been vaccinated (i.e. latest anti-virus definitions, spyware/adware detector definitions) then you're probably just fine. As long as you aren't visiting unfriendly sites (which tend to house lots of spyware programs), or opening emails from people you don't know, then your computer is probably just fine. Statistically, identity theft people get more information to steal your identity out of your trashcan than they do your computer. Unfortunately, the only way to buy from Amazon is via credit card. I don't know how it works over there, but here we have bank cards that are supported by credit card companies (like Visa), thus allowing our bank cards to act as credit cards. What are the stores there in Glasgow? I mean the big stores.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  05:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You gotta keep that stuff up-to-date. I checked those sites (as I'm sure you did as well) and no Halloween II there. Amazon is usually your best bet for finding those types of movies (ones that are out of print).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LMAO. Tell me about it. There is a DVD release for Phantasm, Phantasm III, Phantasm IV, but no Phantasm II. For the longest time, every single Hellraiser was on DVD except for Hellraiser III. I think it has to do with who owns the property rights. See, Halloween II & III were distributed by Universal. If Universal owns the home video rights as well, then they decide if they want to release the film. Unfortunately, given that there isn't a DVD in region 2 for Halloween II it means probably one of two things. Either Universal just doesn't see profit in distributing the film overseas, or Universal doesn't actually own the home video rights and whoever does might not actually have the funds to produce region 2 DVDs anymore.   BIGNOLE '    (Contact me)  22:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

God in Buffy
I was doing some browsing about vampires and learnt about the Lovecraft (old ones) connection in Buffy, so basically, is there a Judeo-Christian God in Buffy? I know from glancing at Buffy's page she went to Heaven while briefly dead, so why does God aid in eradicating demons/vampires by giving them the cosmic weakness of wooden stakes (except ol' Drac), when for years they happily warred on prehistoric earth? Alientraveller (talk) 20:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know about the One-Above-All being depicted as Kirby. Genius: reminded me of Morgan Freeman in Bruce Almighty appearing as a cleaner, electrician and chairman. Alientraveller (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Chloe Sullivan
The extra quote by Allison Mack is unnecessary. It presents her own personal, subjective view. This is an encyclopedia, an objective device that presents data and not viewpoints. 70.188.235.56 (talk) 02:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikilag
I won't be able to take my Angel DVDs to uni until a later trip (limited suitcase space!) so I'm not gonna be able to transcribe any commentaries. :( Sad times.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 18:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Birthday, Inside Out, That Vision Thing, You're Welcome, maybe Waiting in the Wings if it has a commentary like that. I kinda wanna read that "Thrill of the Chase" article, send it my way if you have a scanner! Ooh, yes, sad times indeed. Do you know where I might find a decent source for Bianca Lawson auditioning to become Cordelia? The problem with Google News Archives is most websites don't archive their news due to a lack of server space. So potentially, while we have shitloads of good sources about Cameron Phillips (how amazing was the last episode!) it's pretty difficult to find equivalent sources for our beloved nineties tv heroes.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 12:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * YES! I managed to get my Angel and Veronica Mars into my suitcase. SCORE! And some more books (yay!).~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 20:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ostensibly, I will be studying English. Books and stuff. Or so I'm told. I'm actually way excited, it's right near the Odeon.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 20:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a patronising clarification, it's just the way I speak :$~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 20:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In the college, all on my lonesome. Which is good. It means potentially more... ahem, guests? ~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 20:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Chat
I told you you'd probably like it. It's a classic that never seems to get old. That's probably because it was cheesy then as well, and so cheesy cannot become "cheesier" if it was always present. Yeah, I was/am supposed to get her the rest of those seasons. What's up, not giving any love to Smallville anymore?  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, it is one my favorite "childhood" movies. It will always hold sentimental value to me. It's not a perfect movie in the least; not even the best vampire movie. I wouldn't classify Clark, or even Superman that way. I actually question using Batman that way, but the Punisher...definitely. The reason being, in the US (I don't know about where you live), a citizen can make an arrest. So, Superman and Batman are basically just doing their civic duties. Though, the difference is that Batman tends to beat up the people more than Superman. With the Punisher, he deals out whatever he feels "justice" deserves, and that includes killing people. Superman has a personal oath of never killing someone (not even aliens), and Batman took an oath not to kill people sometime after he first got published (because he used to go around shooting and killing people). Superman, and not even Clark on Smallville deliver "justice" to anyone. He typically knocks them out and lets the police handle them.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't even realize it was there when I was rearranging all of them. We could probably use Hutchinson's views on "Michael Myers" that character for the characterization section of his article.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad you finally saw it. Unfortunately, (or fortunately, if you find it as creepy as I do) the children back then didn't act that well...they didn't seem like minature adults. Last two? Do you mean the literal "last two" (Bride and Seed), or the "next two" (CP 2 and CP3)? I'd suggest watching all if you're going to watch anymore. The "next two" are still "serious", but Chucky is far more entertaining because you already know the gimmick, he's alive. You know it from the start (well, you knew it from the start of the original, but you get what I mean).


 * Is The First Death of Laurie Strode a comic comic, or some online thing? I don't have a good memory of the Psycho sequels. The surprise is already up with the sequels. They were...I strain to say, "okay", because I really don't remember them all that well. There is a fourth film as well, but it's harder to come by. I know I wouldn't mind picking them all up myself. I have the VHS versions.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:37, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Brain damaged Jimmy? They're claiming the slip on the hospital floor caused brain damage? Interesting. Those last two Chucky movies are more comedy based, but I think you'd enjoy Chucky in the other sequels as well. He's just fun to watch. You have to imagine like a minature version of Freddy running around in reality. He wise-cracks and talks a big game. I just find it hilarious that something so tiny could be so "dangerous" in that fictional world.


 * The fourth film is a prequel. It shows you what happened to Norman when he was a kid that basically traumatized him so much that he would take on the persona of his mother. It's a made-for-TV movie, but I vaguely remember it holding a small form of entertainment value. Wow, you're getting some cool boxsets over there. We don't have any boxsets for Hellraiser...and I don't think we have any for Psycho either We have this.


 * What do you think of the Lois page so far? It's much smaller than the others, which was my fear when I was starting it. Maybe I (with the help of anyone else that can manage it..*cough cough*) can find enough sources outside of the companions to beef the page up (thanks again for those two from IGN. I also have one from BuddyTV...hate the source, but it's a Q&A they conducted so I'll use it).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * How much times passes between the end of Halloween II and the end of this comic series? Given John's age, she only has a window of about 3 years to find someone else. It's technically plenty of time, but if she's on the run and in hiding then it makes it more difficult. I don't think I agree with giving Jimmy brain damage...then again, the characterization of John's father in H20 seemed to be against what we experienced in Halloween II.


 * You'll probably be really annoyed here when the new film comes out. I read that they plan to release a completely new box set, with extended versions of all the films (from what I've read in my books, "extended" means probably a couple of minutes because none of the films really cut anything beyond trimming for time). They're supposed to be releasing a new Friday the 13th with new interviews with everyone. I may end up buying a whole new set if each of the new ones have new interviews.


 * Nope, don't have those. What I have to be careful of is that she given interviews and often repeats the same thing to different interviewers.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, unless Laurie slept with another "Loyd", then he certainly was Jamie's father. No, Paramount is re-releasing a boxset of their films (so the first eight films). They cannot release the others, and I don't think the New Line can release the original eight, because, even though they bought the license to the characters, Paramount still owns the original films. But, from what I hear, Paramount and Warner Bros (since New Line folded) have been playing nice on the new film and working together on these new DVDs.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  15:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I could have sworn that was his name. Even IMDb (not that that means anything) lists that as his last name. Then again, they're probably doing it based on Jamie's last name in the later films. I think it was more logical deduction, given Jamie's age and the amount of time that went by between II and 4, he was the only possibility.


 * Halloween has so many different owners, it's no wonder they cannot get out any decent box sets.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * She does need to get introduced, but I'm not sure where to put her. Until season eight, she's really not that important in Clark's life.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Same here. There's no real place to put her in the appearance section (right now), because it would be random. I added a snippet of identifying info where she is first mentioned in the later sections. I don't know how to mention her anywhere else without it appearing as though she just came out of the blue. Mentioning her as part of a season eight appearance bit would suggest that he doesn't meet her till then. Mentioning how she got to Smallville in season four, but later in that section is really irrelevant to Clark's page.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I already put a place in the Appearance section, though it isn't exactly like you went on to suggest. Give it a peak and let me know what you think.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In the appearances section? I'd be afraid it was distract from the point of the section. Otherwise, we'd have to start explaining who all the characters were that came from the comics. If it's necessary I'd rather do it in other section, probably in the "Relationships" section when I have more info on their relationship (which, I can copy a bit of it from the Lois article since it applies to him as well).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The reason I never used it before was because it's something he never actually wears. It gives a false impression of the look of the character. Lionel, Lex, Chloe, Lois and Lana do actually wear that stuff and look the way they do in the those images. Tom Welling is the only one that gets promo shots that make him look like anything but Clark Kent. What do you think of this one? We cut AC out of the image and it's actually pretty decent. He's in general garb, not squinting. Looking a bit Supermanly in the image.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think now?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not necessary to have. The only reason the other players have articles is because of the abundance of real world information, coupled with seven years of television appearances (as well as literature...minus Lois). Lois got the green light because she's still present and will continue to grow. Neither Jonathan or Martha's section are going to get any larger, and when I get around to tightening up their prose their sections will be even slimmer. Together, they'd barely crank out 15kb of non-readable prose (making the readable prose somewhere around 7kb...for two people). Without those significant sources independent of the subject, they really don't warrant a separate article...which is probably why the real characters got a joint article in the first place. Even when they were important to Clark's life, they were still bit characters.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that the Lois article is going to grow though. It won't be as large as the Clark article, but it will be decent sized when the show ends. I'm also missing the season seven companion for her, so that's more information right at my finger tips. The problem with Jonathan and Martha, and I assume this is the same problem with the comic counterparts, is that people just don't write about them. They write about the primary characters of the show (Clark, Lex, Lana, Lois and Chloe). Lionel is lucky in that regard, but I think that's more because of John Glover than anything else. What you see in their separate sections on the character page is all of their info from the books, including things that are probably inconsequential or just plain verbosely written to make their sections bigger when I wasn't sure how large the page would end up being.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, "Void" was that Flatliners rip-off, but I enjoyed the scene with Jonathan as well. It's a really touching moment for Clark. I like Maddie (the girl from "Fragile"). For some reason she reminds me of Emma Watson from the Harry Potter movies. I hated the concept for "Mercy", but I love the scene where Lionel attempts to shoot himself to save Martha. It really shows where the character wants to be when he's with her. You have the last three episodes coming up. "Fade" is alright. The villain has a cool ability. The last two are a pretty good wrap up to the season.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  00:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a difference. Faith was located right there next to Buffy. Fine left Smallville (hell, the whole country) so that he could pursue his mission away from Clark, whom he knew he could not beat in a straight up fight. Plus, we were lead to believe that Fine was dead, whereas Faith was alive but never present. I may wait on Buffy until after Christmas (when I get the second half of my student loan). That way I'm not tempted to spend extra money. Right now, I have the three Blade movies in the player, along with Robocop and the last disc of House season three.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Still a difference. You're talking about a character presumed dead that reappears versus a character that we know is alive but never present. It's just as easy to show her in the episode actually being ignored by the group than having her appear out of the blue when a new watcher comes, who basically plays on this "I guess the've been ignoring you" feeling she supposedly had. It was a waste of the actress, since you had the character ready and willing to be present, even if you want to show the Scoobies excluding her from their club. No crap they were excluding her, because they couldn't find her. :P


 * I do have Buffy season five. That is the one I was saying I was going to wait, otherwise I'd be tempted to buy season six when I should wait and conserve some cash flow for the upcoming Christmas holiday (I have lots of travelling to do). Homeward Bound is awesome (both of them). I haven't watched Jumanji in almost a year. It's still a classic. Robocop is awesome. I think I've watched that 2 or 3 times in the past year. I love the dark, satirical comedy that plagues the movie. The music is great to, especially in the scene where he's remembering his family (in his old house) and he remembers what was taken away from him. It's got some cheesy dialogue at certain moments, but it's a classic action film. I don't particulary care for the sequels...they have their moments in the storyline that make them better than they actually are. The last one was rather stupid though. Apparently, it didn't turn out the way Frank Miller had written it, and he was rather pissed off about it.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it will stay. Mainly because you have people like Pixelface who think that if they don't agree with some policy then that policy never really had consensus to exist in the first place. It is these types of editors that give Wikipedia a bad reputation for having shitty articles with no real information but fannish plot summaries and original research, because they swarm into fictional articles to preserve these plot only pages because "they like them". I rest my case   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)